Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest K0oks?
All-seeing-I
Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
flood was not real!
Greg G.
The tops of the Himalayas were once the bottom of the sea. Uplift
results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
Iain
> Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
Yes.
Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
--Iain
Boikat
"We" (people with brains) do, *you* (people without brains) don't.
>
> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
Are you saying the KT boundry represents the "Flood Layer"? If so, I
have a lot of questions that you will probaby ignore.
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
Naturally, since you have the cognitive abilities of a doorstop, the
cited extract does not support your moronic conclusion.
>
> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
As one would expect as a result of uplift, idiot.
>
> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> flood was not real!
Plate Tectonics, moron. Learn some *basic* fuckin' geology.
Start here:
http://www.kidsgeo.com/geology-for-kids/0043-plate-tectonics.php
And after that, you might try this:
http://www.platetectonics.com/oceanfloors/himalayas.asp
Also, your *IGNORANCE* is not evidence of the mythical global flood.
Get used to that fact.
Boikat
chris thompson
So in order to support your idea of a Deluge, you cite changes in
rates of...species divergence?
That's rich.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Chris
Boikat
wrote:
He was doing his "pig reading a newspaper" routine. It always brings
down the house.
>
> That's rich.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving.
And to you, and everyone (even to the anti-science 'tards)!
Speaking of which, time to start cooking. Pies and cornbread now, and
I think I'm going to have to start the turkey around 4AM in order for
it to be ready by Noon (21 lb bird, I'm feeding 14-16 people)!
Boikat
TomS
<58d35b2a-4990-4402...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Greg G.
stated..."
>
>On Nov 25, 8:35=A0am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>>
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> flood was not real!
>
>The tops of the Himalayas were once the bottom of the sea. Uplift
>results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
>creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>
Leondardo Da Vinci had some observations on the fossils found on
the heights which suggested that they were not the result of Noah's
Deluge. From the "Codex Leicester", 10 verso:
"And if you should say that it was the Deluge that carried these
shells away from the sea for hundreds of miles, this could not have
happened since the Deluge was caused by rains; because rains naturally
force the rivers toward the sea with the objects carried by them, and
they do not draw up to the mountains the dead things on the sea-shores.
"And if you should say that the Deluge then rose with its waters
above the mountains, the movement of the sea in its journey against the
course of the rivers must have been so slow that it could not have
carried, floating upon it, things heavier than itself; and even if it
had supported them, then as it receded it would have left them strewn
about in various places."
"Selections from the Notebooks of Leonardo Da Vinci", ed. Irma A.
Richter, The World's Classics # 530, Oxford University Press, page 30.
--
---Tom S.
the failure to nail currant jelly to a wall is not due to the nail; it is due to
the currant jelly.
Theodore Roosevelt, Letter to William Thayer, 1915 July 2
Harry K
Thee was no flood. God put them there to check to see if you are
capable of using your brain. You failed.
Harry K
Mike Dworetsky
> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
WE do, but you sure as hell do not.
>
> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
This article has nothing to do with the fossils in the Himalayas, which were
laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
were around 65-60 MYA.
The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
Indeed, it is very well known and the explanation is the tremendous forces
involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> flood was not real!
Wow, so the Flood was 325 million years ago and not 6,000 years ago? Who'd
a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
Actually, it is quite a big thing and the Flood was fictional, not real.
Flood stories may, of course, be modeled on actual events involving local
floods.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
All-seeing-I
They have that minor detail incorrect.
Species evolve, but they do not diverge.
Since we were already discussing it earlier, the original B. oleracea
gave rise to many other kinds like cabbage, broccoli, kale, etc. Its
use goes back to the Greeks about 600 BC from what I can tell. But
undoubtedly its use goes back earlier. Adam and Eve probably ate it.
But has anyone in all these thousands of years of recorded history
ever seen a kind of cabbage diverge and give rise to something as
different like a pine tree? Surely something like that would have been
noticed and recorded.
>
> That's rich.
tasty too. And beneficial for you and the kids this winter because
these vegetables, some of the most nutritious of all with lots of
minerals and vitamins, and antioxidants that surpass the power of
vitamins A, C and E found in pill form. Just in time for winter.
> Happy Thanksgiving.
Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family too. ---the dogs too.
> Chris
Caranx latus
How did you determine that the Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction
event corresponded to Noah's flood as opposed to, say, the Triassic-
Jurassic, the Permian-Triassic, the Late Devonian, the Ordovician-
Silurian, or the Cambrian-Ordovician? What is your explanation for all
of these other significant extinction events? Are they all floods as
well? Are you aware that humans weren't yet around for *any* of the
extinction events I've listed so far, including the one that you
named? Was Noah human?
Devils Advocaat
Perhaps you should read up a little more on the formation of various
mountain types, before you make such rash claims again.
This source may help introduce you to the facts.
Kermit
Hydrological sorting, obviously. The seashells, from heavy little
critters that lived on the sea floor, floated to the top and were
deposited first. Hmmm. That doesn't sound right, does it?
Perhaps the rushing water, roaring down the mountains in huge
temporary rivers, washed the little critters upstream and... oops.
OK! The clams were the fastest and smartest of the animals, and ran to
higher ground more quickly than the European cave bears, who were
overtaken by the flood before they got that high up.
Or perhaps God put them there to trick rational people into
disbelieving the ancient texts, the meaning of which is clear to
hundreds of millions of people, all of whom are believers in the same
doctrine.
It can't be that the Himalayan Mountain range is only 70 million years
old raised sea bed, consistent with radioisotope dating, geological
data, fossil index information, and all other pertinent data classes.
It can't be, because no special perception is required, and is
determined only by reality, which we all know is less reliable than
Madman's imagination.
Kermit
All-seeing-I
That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
All-seeing-I
Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
Inez
What Leonardo said. Noah's flood would have washed stuff from the top
of the mountain, not made it fly up and land on top of the mountain.
Also, Noah's flood would have left fossils of modern species, not
extinct species from millions of years ago.
This is the whole problem with your world view- you start with what
you want to believe and then look around for something that vaguely
seems to support it and quit thinking before you find out it doesn't.
You want to think about changing that if you get tired of making a
fool of yourself.
richardal...@googlemail.com
...and there's something called tectonic uplift which more than
compensates for erosion rates.
Get a freakin' education.
RF
Caranx latus
Remind me again how much rain the peak of Everest gets every year.
TomS
<7da1e8da-705e-4f23...@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Inez
stated..."
>
>On Nov 25, 6:35=A0am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>>
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> flood was not real!
>
>What Leonardo said. Noah's flood would have washed stuff from the top
>of the mountain, not made it fly up and land on top of the mountain.
>Also, Noah's flood would have left fossils of modern species, not
>extinct species from millions of years ago.
>
>This is the whole problem with your world view- you start with what
>you want to believe and then look around for something that vaguely
>seems to support it and quit thinking before you find out it doesn't.
>You want to think about changing that if you get tired of making a
>fool of yourself.
>
Or make stuff up, and say that it's in the Bible.
All-seeing-I
<platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> All-seeing-I wrote:
> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> WE do, but you sure as hell do not.
>
>
>
> > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> This article has nothing to do with the fossils in the Himalayas, which were
> laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
> were around 65-60 MYA.
>
> The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>
> > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> Indeed, it is very well known and the explanation is the tremendous forces
> involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
> which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
> plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
>
>
> > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> > flood was not real!
>
> Wow, so the Flood was 325 million years ago and not 6,000 years ago? Who'd
> a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
and dino walking together too.
Mike Dworetsky
Well, do check first that it will fit in the oven.
Friar Broccoli
> On Nov 25, 6:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> > flood was not real!
.
> Hydrological sorting, obviously. The seashells, from heavy little
> critters that lived on the sea floor, floated to the top and were
> deposited first. Hmmm. That doesn't sound right, does it?
>
> Perhaps the rushing water, roaring down the mountains in huge
> temporary rivers, washed the little critters upstream and... oops.
>
> OK! The clams were the fastest and smartest of the animals, and ran to
> higher ground more quickly than the European cave bears, who were
> overtaken by the flood before they got that high up.
NO! NO! NO! Coal was fastest of all:
http://www.infomine.com/index/properties/COAL_MOUNTAIN.html
Caranx latus
> On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
>
>
>
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > All-seeing-I wrote:
> > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> > WE do, but you sure as hell do not.
>
> > > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > This article has nothing to do with the fossils in the Himalayas, which were
> > laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
> > were around 65-60 MYA.
>
> > The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>
> > > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> > Indeed, it is very well known and the explanation is the tremendous forces
> > involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
> > which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
> > plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
> > > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > Wow, so the Flood was 325 million years ago and not 6,000 years ago? Who'd
> > a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
</facepalm>
dali_70
Not surprising that your knowledge of geology is just as piss poor as
your understanding of biology. Do humanity a favor, don't reproduce.
dali_70
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
LMFAO!
How many sharp blows to the head did you say you took?
Boikat
If the rate of uplift exceeds the rate of errosion, what is the
result, 'tard-boy?
Boikat
Boikat
It'll fit in the oven, but barely fits in the roaster.
Boikat
raven1
I'd like to ask you a serious question: why do you insist on posting
about topics of which you are completely ignorant?
Eric Root
Hint: so what?
Iain
> > a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
http://www.sonic.net/~brendan/photos/BarackObamaAwHellNawMacro.jpg
--Iain
Boikat
catagory
>
> Species evolve, but they do not diverge.
>
Boikat
Iain
Five minutes later, I'm still trying to get my mind round that
statement.
--Iain
richardal...@googlemail.com
..because if he didn't he'd have nothing to post.
RF
Dana Tweedy
"All-seeing-I" <ap...@email.com> wrote in message
news:09125ff8-eb65-4825...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>I think we all know the answer, don't we?
Yes, plate tectonics. The seashells on top of Everest were originally on
a seafloor, and they were uplifted by the collision of the India
subcontinent with the Asian plate.
>
> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
There's no evidence of a global flood.
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
Which one would not expect to find if there were a global flood. Any
sediment left on the top of a mountain like Everest would have flowed away,
not become rock.
>
> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> flood was not real!
Since there isn't any evidence of a global flood, I don't believe it was
real.
DJT
Inez
How many millions of years of sediment was there when it was
uplifted? What is the erosion rate? Why is it that you think you can
make up things and pass them off as facts?
Mike Dworetsky
> On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>> All-seeing-I wrote:
>>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> WE do, but you sure as hell do not.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>
>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> This article has nothing to do with the fossils in the Himalayas,
>> which were laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events
>> discussed, which were around 65-60 MYA.
>>
>> The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>>
>>> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> Indeed, it is very well known and the explanation is the tremendous
>> forces involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian
>> and Eurasian), which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The
>> uplift of the entire plateau and mountain range is still going on,
>> around 25 mm/year.
>>
>>
>>
>>> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>>> flood was not real!
>>
>> Wow, so the Flood was 325 million years ago and not 6,000 years ago?
>> Who'd a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
I am rendered speechless (almost). Right, let's have some of your weird
cites for that, munchkin boy.
Do remember that "The Flintstones" is NOT a documentary, nor is that film
where Raquel Welch wore a skimpy fur bikini while her cave man fought
dinosaurs.
Mike Dworetsky
> On Nov 25, 9:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>>
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>>
>> flood was not real!
>
> event corresponded to Noah's flood as opposed to, say, the Triassic-
> Jurassic, the Permian-Triassic, the Late Devonian, the Ordovician-
> Silurian, or the Cambrian-Ordovician? What is your explanation for all
> of these other significant extinction events? Are they all floods as
> well? Are you aware that humans weren't yet around for *any* of the
> extinction events I've listed so far, including the one that you
> named? Was Noah human?
Maybe Noah was a Cambrian mammal trilobite?
heekster
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>I think we all know the answer, don't we?
You don't. The Indo-australian plate collided with the Eursian plate,
pushing up the Himalyas and the Tibetan plateau.
>
>and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
And this is why,
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/himalaya.html
>but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>flood was not real!
Don't let the actuality of plate tectonics interfere with your
massive, stupid, willful ignorance.
You need to learn the difference between uptlifting of landmass due to
tectonic collision, and Sumerian fairy tales, written by ignorant
goatherds.
heekster
Clue: Science is self-correcting, while you are always, immutably
wrong.
heekster
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 9:16�am, "Mike Dworetsky"
><platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>> All-seeing-I wrote:
>> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> WE do, but you sure as hell do not.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>
>> >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> This article has nothing to do with the fossils in the Himalayas, which were
>> laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
>> were around 65-60 MYA.
>>
>> The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>>
>> > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> Indeed, it is very well known and the explanation is the tremendous forces
>> involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
>> which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. �The uplift of the entire
>> plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>>
>>
>>
>> > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> > flood was not real!
>>
>> Wow, so the Flood was 325 million years ago and not 6,000 years ago? �Who'd
>> a thunk it? �Does this mean creationism is wrong? �You bet!
>
>You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
>and dino walking together too.
>
LMFAO.
http://www.amazon.com/Flintstones-Complete-Alan-Reed/dp/B001CC7POE
heekster
<kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 9:35�am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> flood was not real!
>
>How did you determine that the Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction
>event corresponded to Noah's flood as opposed to, say, the Triassic-
>Jurassic, the Permian-Triassic, the Late Devonian, the Ordovician-
>Silurian, or the Cambrian-Ordovician? What is your explanation for all
>of these other significant extinction events? Are they all floods as
>well? Are you aware that humans weren't yet around for *any* of the
>extinction events I've listed so far, including the one that you
>named? Was Noah human?
All he knows, and even that is vaguely, is that water was involved
somehow.
TomS
<9P2dnb4H1sfo9ZDW...@bt.com>, Mike Dworetsky stated..."
And the mysterious "gopher wood" was an iridium alloy?
John Stockwell
> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> flood was not real!
You might want to learn some geology, particularly the part about
plate tectonics. The Indian subcontinent pushed north into
the eurasian plate pushing up seafloor to form the Himalayas.
It's all right there in the rocks. No flood is necessary.
Dwib
> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
Geez! Not even the floods of 2012 topped Everest!
John Stockwell
> On Nov 25, 8:49 am, Iain <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 25, 2:35 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
>
>
> > Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
>
> > --Iain
>
> Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
Hint: Science in the past used to take the flood as a given,
until the idea was disproven by scientific investigation.
VoiceOfReason
> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
>
>
> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> flood was not real!
Yet another facepalm moment. Thanks for the continuing installments
of "Here's why [M]adhat is stunningly ignorant."
Greg G.
> On Nov 25, 8:46 am, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 8:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> > > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> > > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
> > creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>
> That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
> have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years-
The Himalayas are young as far as mountain ranges go. They are still
rising. Of course mountains rise faster than erosion rates or they
wouldn't be mountains, would they? Most water in the atmosphere
precipitates out before it reaches the altitude of the peaks, so there
isn't going to be much erosion there.
TomS
<5vrqg51brk4i0vdqk...@4ax.com>, heekster stated..."
Science at one time said that the earth is a sphere.
Later, science said that the earth isn't a sphere, it is an ellipsoid.
Today, science says that the earth isn't exactly an ellipsoid.
Science is always wrong, so we know that the earth is really flat.
VoiceOfReason
> On Nov 25, 10:33 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
>
> > <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > All-seeing-I wrote:
>
>
>
> > > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > > laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
> > > were around 65-60 MYA.
>
> > > The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>
>
> > > involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
> > > which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
> > > plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
> > > > flood was not real!
>
> > > a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> > You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> > and dino walking together too.
>
Greg G.
> On Nov 25, 8:49 am, Iain <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 25, 2:35 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
>
>
> > Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
>
> > --Iain
>
> Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
There are varying degrees of wrongness. Science has never been as
wrong as creationism.
VoiceOfReason
> On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
>
>
>
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > All-seeing-I wrote:
>
>
> > > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > This article has nothing to do with the fossils in the Himalayas, which were
> > laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
> > were around 65-60 MYA.
>
> > The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>
> > > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> > Indeed, it is very well known and the explanation is the tremendous forces
> > involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
> > which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
> > plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
> > > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > Wow, so the Flood was 325 million years ago and not 6,000 years ago? Who'd
> > a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
LMAO!
VoiceOfReason
> On Nov 25, 10:23 am, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 25, 6:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
>
> > > flood was not real!
>
>
> > Hydrological sorting, obviously. The seashells, from heavy little
> > critters that lived on the sea floor, floated to the top and were
> > deposited first. Hmmm. That doesn't sound right, does it?
>
> > Perhaps the rushing water, roaring down the mountains in huge
> > temporary rivers, washed the little critters upstream and... oops.
>
> > OK! The clams were the fastest and smartest of the animals, and ran to
> > higher ground more quickly than the European cave bears, who were
> > overtaken by the flood before they got that high up.
>
> NO! NO! NO! Coal was fastest of all:
>
> http://www.infomine.com/index/properties/COAL_MOUNTAIN.html
Coal is the best rock?
Boikat
<snip>
> Don't let the actuality of plate tectonics interfere with your
> massive, stupid, willful ignorance.
>
> You need to learn the difference between uptlifting of landmass due to
> tectonic collision, and Sumerian fairy tales, written by ignorant
> goatherds.
Yah, what do a bunch of goats know, anyway? :D
Boikat
Greg G.
> On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
>
>
>
>
>
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
>
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
> > were around 65-60 MYA.
>
> > The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>
>
> > involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
> > which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
> > plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
You are correct. Turkeys are dinosaurs. Remember this time last year
when there was a video of some govenor was milling about with turkeys?
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>I think we all know the answer, don't we?
Yes, the rocks that are now at the top of the Himalayas were, at one
time, on the ocean floor.
>
>Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
There was no flood you pathetic moron.
>
>http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
That refers to the end of the Cretaceous period, 65 Million years ago
dimwit.
>
>and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
Yes, of course there are.
>
>but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>flood was not real!
There was no flood.
--
Bob.
When D-G made Madman out of clay he forgot to magic the brain. I think
that explains everything.
Boikat
> On Nov 25, 8:55 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 25, 9:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
>
>
> > > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > rates of...species divergence?
>
> They have that minor detail incorrect.
>
Aside from the Chez Watt material, and the ignorant blather <snipped
to keep in line with reality>, what qualifies you to state that *real
scientists* got *anything* wrong? What are you qualifications?
Let's hear about your background in biology or geology. Anything
besides creationist web sites and ancient coloring books?
Boikat
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 25, 8:46 am, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 8:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>
>> >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> > flood was not real!
>>
>> The tops of the Himalayas were once the bottom of the sea. Uplift
>> results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
>> creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>
>That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
>have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
But the Himalayas are still rising morn.
--
Bob.
If brains were taxed, you would get a rebate.
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 25, 8:49 am, Iain <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2:35 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
>> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
>>
>> --Iain
>
>Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
Oh? Got an example?
--
Bob.
People may not always remember exactly what you said, but they will
always remember just how bright you made them feel.
bpuharic
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 8:46 am, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 8:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>
>> >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> > flood was not real!
>>
>> The tops of the Himalayas were once the bottom of the sea. Uplift
>> results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
>> creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>
>That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
>have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
OK i'm not a geologist. explain this to me.
if the tops of the mountians were once the bottom of the sea....
AND the tops of the mountains still exist
then how could erosion wear away what still exists?
do you think about the shit you write before you write it?
bpuharic
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 8:49 am, Iain <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2:35 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
>> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
>>
>> --Iain
>
>Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
and creationism has never been right.
big difference
TomS
<43ca27b8-aeb3-4d08...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, Kermit
stated..."
>
>On Nov 25, 6:35=A0am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>>
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> flood was not real!
>
>critters that lived on the sea floor, floated to the top and were
>deposited first. Hmmm. That doesn't sound right, does it?
>
>Perhaps the rushing water, roaring down the mountains in huge
>temporary rivers, washed the little critters upstream and... oops.
>
>OK! The clams were the fastest and smartest of the animals, and ran to
>higher ground more quickly than the European cave bears, who were
>overtaken by the flood before they got that high up.
>
>disbelieving the ancient texts, the meaning of which is clear to
>hundreds of millions of people, all of whom are believers in the same
>doctrine.
>
>It can't be that the Himalayan Mountain range is only 70 million years
>old raised sea bed, consistent with radioisotope dating, geological
>data, fossil index information, and all other pertinent data classes.
>It can't be, because no special perception is required, and is
>determined only by reality, which we all know is less reliable than
>Madman's imagination.
>
>Kermit
>
It can't be hydrological sorting, because that would violate the
(creationist version of the) "second law of thermodynamics".
The location of the fossils represents "complex specified information",
therefore it has to be the result of "intelligent design."
In brief, the fossils are there because the creator/designer(s)
wanted it to look as if geology is correct.
bpuharic
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
..
>
>Species evolve, but they do not diverge.
>
anyone know what this means? bueller? bueller?
>Since we were already discussing it earlier, the original B. oleracea
>gave rise to many other kinds like cabbage, broccoli, kale, etc. Its
>use goes back to the Greeks about 600 BC from what I can tell. But
>undoubtedly its use goes back earlier. Adam and Eve probably ate it.
>
>But has anyone in all these thousands of years of recorded history
>ever seen a kind of cabbage diverge and give rise to something as
>different like a pine tree? Surely something like that would have been
>noticed and recorded.
not if it didn't happen in a human lifetime
seems creationsits think the universe is about 80 years old.
everything happens in a human lifetime.
Dana Tweedy
> On Nov 25, 8:46 am, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 8:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>>
>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>>> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>>> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>>> flood was not real!
>>
>> results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
>> creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>
> That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
> have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
Not if uplift is faster than erosion. Also, you'd need to explain why
erosion hasn't removed the seashells from the top of a mountain if they were
simply left there by a flood.
DJT
bpuharic
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
>and dino walking together too.
he thinks the flintstones is a documentary??
Caranx latus
Milling about with a crowd of *other* turkeys, if I recall correctly.
Dana Tweedy
>> On Nov 25, 9:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>>
>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>>
>>> flood was not real!
>>
>> rates of...species divergence?
>
> They have that minor detail incorrect.
>
Actually, they do both.
>
> Since we were already discussing it earlier, the original B. oleracea
> gave rise to many other kinds like cabbage, broccoli, kale, etc. Its
> use goes back to the Greeks about 600 BC from what I can tell. But
> undoubtedly its use goes back earlier. Adam and Eve probably ate it.
"Adam" was a legendary figure. He didn't acutally exist.
>
> But has anyone in all these thousands of years of recorded history
> ever seen a kind of cabbage diverge and give rise to something as
> different like a pine tree? Surely something like that would have been
> noticed and recorded.
One has seen the mustard plant "diverge" into cabbage, broccoli, Califlower,
kale, etc. There's no reason to suspect it would become a pine tree.
>
>
>>
>> That's rich.
>
> tasty too. And beneficial for you and the kids this winter because
> these vegetables, some of the most nutritious of all with lots of
> minerals and vitamins, and antioxidants that surpass the power of
> vitamins A, C and E found in pill form. Just in time for winter.
Vitamins in pill form are exactly the same as vitamins from eating plants.
They aren't any more beneficial in winter than they would be in the spring,
summer, or fall.
snip the rest.
DJT
Dana Tweedy
> On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> which were laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events
>> discussed, which were around 65-60 MYA.
>>
>> The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>>
>>
>> forces involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian
>> and Eurasian), which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The
>> uplift of the entire plateau and mountain range is still going on,
>> around 25 mm/year.
>>
>>
>>
>>> flood was not real!
>>
>> Who'd a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
As has been shown to you before, there is no evidence of humans and
dinosaurs (non avian) existing at the same time.
DJT
Dana Tweedy
> On Nov 25, 8:49 am, Iain <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2:35 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
>>
>>
>> Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
>>
>> --Iain
>
> Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
taking stories from ancient writings as fact has been wrong much more often.
DJT
Kermit
> On Nov 25, 8:49 am, Iain <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 25, 2:35 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
> > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> > Yes.
>
> > Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
>
> > --Iain
>
> Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
Yes. But diligent application of scientific methodology has found
those known errors. Other systems of claimed knowledge, such as
Creationism, have no way of minimizing errors, and therefore is chock
full of 'em.
Quick check for the lazy: science works.
My daughter, after reading a fantasy book: "Most people have no
understanding of science, and yet they believe that untestable claims
of various sorts [ESP, little green men, etc - ed]. They see these as
various rival systems of magic: science, witchcraft, televangelist
faith healing, voodoo, etc. Science has respect not because of its
truthiness, but because it is The Magic that Works."
Kermit
chris thompson
> On Nov 25, 8:55 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
sorry hit send too soon
>
> > Happy Thanksgiving.
>
> Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family too. ---the dogs too.
Thanks! Enjoy your Thanksgiving, and have a great time with your
pups, bro.
Chris
chris thompson
> On Nov 25, 8:55 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
>
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > rates of...species divergence?
>
> They have that minor detail incorrect.
"Minor detail"???
BWAHAHA sorry.
Um, that minor detail is the MAIN POINT OF THE WHOLE FREAKING
PAPER!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!11!
> Species evolve, but they do not diverge.
OK Once for all, tell me the difference.
> Since we were already discussing it earlier, the original B. oleracea
> gave rise to many other kinds like cabbage, broccoli, kale, etc. Its
> use goes back to the Greeks about 600 BC from what I can tell. But
> undoubtedly its use goes back earlier. Adam and Eve probably ate it.
>
> But has anyone in all these thousands of years of recorded history
> ever seen a kind of cabbage diverge and give rise to something as
> different like a pine tree? Surely something like that would have been
> noticed and recorded.
It's creationists that think species magically poof into existence
from nowhere. And it's only creationists that think that your
cauliflower brain despite superficial similarities, could ever be pine
nuts.
Thinking that way lies madness. It's as though you think someone could
mate with a sibling and have kids who were their second cousins. It's
idiotic to even propose such an idea, and after all the corrections
you have had on this, it's just dishonest to keep pushing it.
>
>
>
> > That's rich.
>
> tasty too. And beneficial for you and the kids this winter because
> these vegetables, some of the most nutritious of all with lots of
> minerals and vitamins, and antioxidants that surpass the power of
> vitamins A, C and E found in pill form. Just in time for winter.
LOL. Those broccolis you're eating probably came from the Central
Valley of California. And your antioxidant-rich grapes are from Chile.
Those sweet potatoes so rich in vitamin A were stored in controlled-
temperature, ethylene-free environments. How is that evidence of
divine providence?
Chris
> > Happy Thanksgiving.
>
> Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family too. ---the dogs too.
>
> > Chris
Kermit
> On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
>
>
>
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
>
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
> > were around 65-60 MYA.
>
> > The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>
>
> > involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
> > which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
> > plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
Or eating together:
http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html
>
> > Actually, it is quite a big thing and the Flood was fictional, not real.
> > Flood stories may, of course, be modeled on actual events involving local
> > floods.
>
> > --
> > Mike Dworetsky
>
> > (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
Kermit
SkyEyes
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:23:35 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
>
> >> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
>
> >> >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
>
> >> > flood was not real!
>
> >> results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
> >> creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>
> >That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
> >have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
>
> about topics of which you are completely ignorant?
Because [M]addy's a legend in his own mind.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
fnord, just in case
Ye Old One
>On Nov 25, 8:55 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 9:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>
>> >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> > flood was not real!
>>
>> So in order to support your idea of a Deluge, you cite changes in
>> rates of...species divergence?
>
>They have that minor detail incorrect.
>
>Species evolve, but they do not diverge.
Wolf and Fox little trollslob - what did they evolve from?
>
>Since we were already discussing it earlier, the original B. oleracea
>gave rise to many other kinds like cabbage, broccoli, kale, etc. Its
>use goes back to the Greeks about 600 BC from what I can tell. But
>undoubtedly its use goes back earlier. Adam and Eve probably ate it.
So, you now accept evolution.
>
>But has anyone in all these thousands of years of recorded history
>ever seen a kind of cabbage diverge and give rise to something as
>different like a pine tree?
Well, the ordinary cabbage, broccoli, sprout and cauliflower are very
different. If science didn't tell you they all share a common ancestor
you would not have know.
> Surely something like that would have been
>noticed and recorded.
It has been. We recorder the divergence into totally separate species
of the cabbage, broccoli, sprout and cauliflower. What part of that is
going over your head little moron?
>
>
>>
>> That's rich.
>
>tasty too. And beneficial for you and the kids this winter because
>these vegetables, some of the most nutritious of all with lots of
>minerals and vitamins, and antioxidants that surpass the power of
>vitamins A, C and E found in pill form.
No, they don't, Vitamins are the same no matter what the source.
> Just in time for winter.
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving.
>
>Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family too. ---the dogs too.
Pity the poor turkeys.
>
>> Chris
--
Bob.
You are depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
><platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>> All-seeing-I wrote:
>> > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>
>> WE do, but you sure as hell do not.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>
>> >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>
>> This article has nothing to do with the fossils in the Himalayas, which were
>> laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
>> were around 65-60 MYA.
>>
>> The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>>
>> > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>
>> Indeed, it is very well known and the explanation is the tremendous forces
>> involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
>> which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
>> plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>>
>>
>>
>> > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>> > flood was not real!
>>
>> Wow, so the Flood was 325 million years ago and not 6,000 years ago? Who'd
>> a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
>You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
>and dino walking together too.
No there is not - why do you lie so much?
>
>
>>
>> Actually, it is quite a big thing and the Flood was fictional, not real.
>> Flood stories may, of course, be modeled on actual events involving local
>> floods.
I see, no reply to reality?
--
Bob.
Have you ever wondered what your life would be like if you had had
enough oxygen at birth?
TomS
<TvidnbIlcJrL4JDW...@bresnan.com>, Dana Tweedy stated..."
Most obviously when people make stuff up and then say that it is
in the ancient writings.
Boikat
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:22:20 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
>
> <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> >Species evolve, but they do not diverge.
>
> anyone know what this means? bueller? bueller?
It means exactly what it doesn't mean. :D
<snip>
Boikat
Ernest Major
<9b988184-cce0-40a9...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Iain <iain_i...@hotmail.com> writes
>On Nov 25, 4:21�pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> In the "Plus de choses changent, plus qu'ils restent la m�me chose"
>> catagory
>>
>>
>>
>> > Species evolve, but they do not diverge.
>>
>
>Five minutes later, I'm still trying to get my mind round that
>statement.
>
>--Iain
>
On the face of it he is supporting Lamarck. Perhaps he should address
Tony Pagono's challenge - as far as I can tell it is Lamarckian
evolution that Tony is challenging people to prove.
--
alias Ernest Major
Nashton
> On Nov 25, 9:23 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 8:46 am, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 25, 8:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>>> flood was not real!
>>> results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
>>> creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>> That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
>
> If the rate of uplift exceeds the rate of errosion, what is the
> result, 'tard-boy?
>
> Boikat
>
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to the rate of uplift vs the rate of
erosion and come up with some comparative data to prove your point, stupid?
Nashton
> On Nov 25, 10:23 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 8:46 am, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 25, 8:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>>> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>>> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>>> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>>>> flood was not real!
>>> The tops of the Himalayas were once the bottom of the sea. Uplift
>>> results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
>>> creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>> That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
>> have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
>
>
Did you practice long and hard to be that obtuse or is it a talent?
If and when you prove that the only erosion that occurs is by water
alone, you may have a point, dufus.
Look up the Appalachians which, granted are geologically older (500
million vs 50 million years), are practically flattened out by erosion
and water had nothing to do with it. In fact, a good chunk of the land
that we know as North America is there because of the erosion of the
Appalachians.
Boikat
Certainly, since you're too fucking stupid or lazy to look it up for
yourself; 2-12 mm/year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Himalaya
> vs the rate of
> erosion
Obviously less than the rate of uplift, or they would not have an
uplift rate. But data suggest the *average errsion rate for the
entire Himalayan range* is about 2.9 mm/year in the west and 2.1mm/
year in the east.
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/29/1/23-a
> and come up with some comparative data to prove your point, stupid?
Yes, you are stupid.
Boikat
Boikat
Moron! What makes you think the porcess which formed the Appalachians
originally is still an active and ongoing process like the process
going on now for the Himalayas? Do you even have a clue as to the
history of the Appalachians? Well, do ya, punk?
(You do not have to answer that, of course, since the answer is an
obvious "no." )
Boikat
Mark Evans
> On Nov 25, 8:46 am, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 8:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> > > Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> > > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > The tops of the Himalayas were once the bottom of the sea. Uplift
> > results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
> > creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>
> That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
> have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
Listen, All-seeing -fool. If the rate of erosion is less than the
erosion (not "errosin") you would have a net gain in height of an
uplifing event. Want to see how long it takes to erode a big mountain
range? The mountains in the eastern part of North America are about
300 million years old and have been left out in the rain. The are
greatly reduced but still mountains. Go hike the Appie Trail
sometime. Heck, tell you what, lets go walking in Mingo County WV and
you can explain why the landscape should be flat due to erosion.
Iffn, of course, you can handle the greater than 30 degree average
slope.
Mark Evans
Mike Lyle
[...]
>
> My daughter, after reading a fantasy book: "Most people have no
> understanding of science, and yet they believe that untestable claims
> of various sorts [ESP, little green men, etc - ed]. They see these as
> various rival systems of magic: science, witchcraft, televangelist
> faith healing, voodoo, etc. Science has respect not because of its
> truthiness, but because it is The Magic that Works."
>
sorts of pendulum-dowsing, faith healing, astrology, and such; but
reject organized religions. Now you don't have to believe a word of
these major religions to observe that very sophisticated minds have been
working on their doctrines for centuries to clarify them and often to
iron out some of the inconsistencies and difficulties: I'd say that
rejecting these systems but believing in untested new-agery is rather
similar to the rejection of science --often by the same people.
--
Mike.
Boikat
>
By the way, lack-wit, look up the word "orogenesis".
Boikat
Mark Evans
> On Nov 25, 8:49 am, Iain <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 25, 2:35 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
>
>
> > Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
>
> > --Iain
>
> Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
Not as often as your ancient texts, nor as consistantly.
Mark Evans
Mark Evans
> On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
>
>
>
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > All-seeing-I wrote:
>
>
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
> > were around 65-60 MYA.
>
> > The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>
>
> > involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
> > which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
> > plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
>
>
>
> > Flood stories may, of course, be modeled on actual events involving local
> > floods.
>
> > Mike Dworetsky
>
> > (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
Sigh. The Flintstones is not factual. Modern dino descendants, AKA
known as birds, do walk with people today but not even you are dense
enough to depend on literal chicken scratches to refute the ages
between humans and big dinos. The tracks in the Texas river are not
human tracks and the touristy fakes are just that, fakes. Dragons are
not dinosaurs. Komodo dragons are not dinosaurs. Your delusions and
lies are proof of nothing but the poor state your decaying brain is
in.
Mark Evans
VoiceOfReason
WHAT??? Do you have any fucking clue how much it rains in the
Appalachians?? Or how much the freezing and thawing rips those rocks
to shreds? PLEASE don't say such ridiculous things.
Hatunen
And, of course, when Science has been wrong, it's been corrected.
Science is a self-correcting process.
--
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Boikat
That, and the Appalachian orogeneny ended over 150 million years ago,
and has been eroding ever since, unlike the Himalayan range, which is
still on-going. It's almost as if neither Nashty-poo nor AS-I(diot)
*never* attended a day of school in their entire lives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleghenian_orogeny
Boikat
Ron O
> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> flood was not real!
All-screeching-denial, have you ever heard of continental drift. Look
it up and look where the Indian subcontinent came from and how it
squeezed the ocean bottom up between it and the main continental
mass. This is why we find ancestral whale fossils of just the right
age to be transitional species in Pakistan. Why does all this fit
together and what do you have to replace it?
Ron Okimoto
Will in New Haven
>
> > On Nov 25, 2:35 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why are there seashells on the top of Mount Everest?
>
>
> > Hint: Read up on the formation of Everest.
>
> > --Iain
>
> Hint: Science has been wrong in the past
When it was, scientists found out about it, not people whose education
is shamefully lacking.
--
Will in New Haven
Will in New Haven
> On Nov 25, 9:16 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
>
>
>
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> > All-seeing-I wrote:
>
>
>
> > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > laid down hundreds of millions of years before the events discussed, which
> > were around 65-60 MYA.
>
> > The authors certainly would not support your wacky interpretation.
>
>
> > involved in the collision of two continental plates (Indian and Eurasian),
> > which raised ancient sea beds to amazing heights. The uplift of the entire
> > plateau and mountain range is still going on, around 25 mm/year.
>
> > > flood was not real!
>
> > a thunk it? Does this mean creationism is wrong? You bet!
>
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
No there isn't and even you aren't stupid enough to believe there is.
So, I reluctantly must conclude you are lying.
--
Will in New Haven
>
>
>
Bruce Stephens
[...]
> You obviously have the dates wrong because there is evidence of man
> and dino walking together too.
Our feathered friends walk among us even now.
Ye Old One
group when s/he wrote:
>Caranx latus wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 10:23 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 25, 8:46 am, "Greg G." <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 25, 8:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>>>>> Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>>>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>>>>> and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>>>>> but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>>>>> flood was not real!
>>>> The tops of the Himalayas were once the bottom of the sea. Uplift
>>>> results from continental collisions. Isn't it amazing how ignorant
>>>> creationist arguments are? Thanks for bringing them to light!
>>> That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
>>> have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
>>
>> Remind me again how much rain the peak of Everest gets every year.
>>
>
>Did you practice long and hard to be that obtuse or is it a talent?
Did you practice long and hard to be that stupid - or is it a talent?
>
>If and when you prove that the only erosion that occurs is by water
>alone, you may have a point, dufus.
You think wind did it?
>
>Look up the Appalachians which, granted are geologically older (500
>million vs 50 million years), are practically flattened out by erosion
>and water had nothing to do with it.
Who says?
> In fact, a good chunk of the land
>that we know as North America is there because of the erosion of the
>Appalachians.
Is it?
--
Bob.
Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright
ideas from penetrating. Your bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little
sign of breaking down in the near future.
chris thompson
As they say,
PWNED
HAND
Chris
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by All-seeing-I
<ap...@email.com>:
>I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
>Signature of the End-Cretaceous Mass Extinction = Noah's Flood
>
>http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
>and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
>but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
>flood was not real!
So we can add geology and plate tectonics to the growing
list of scientific topics of which you're ignorant? OK.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Caranx latus
<snip>
>>> That does not wash kook. There is something called errosion that would
>>> have erroded the evidence after so many millions of years
>>
>> Remind me again how much rain the peak of Everest gets every year.
>>
>
> Did you practice long and hard to be that obtuse or is it a talent?
I have to practice: obtuseness doesn't come easily for me. I was
wondering whether you might be able to give me some pointers. You seem
*really* good at it.
> If and when you prove that the only erosion that occurs is by water
> alone, you may have a point, dufus.
You'll point out where I made any such claim, of course.
> Look up the Appalachians which, granted are geologically older (500
> million vs 50 million years), are practically flattened out by erosion
> and water had nothing to do with it.
I didn't know that. Please, go on. What caused the erosion of the
Appalachians? All that I've been able to find are references to water
and ice.
<snip non-sequitur>
Desertphile
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
> I think we all know the answer, don't we?
Creationists reject the correct answer. That is why they are
objects of pity.
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
All-seeing-I
wrote:
> On Nov 25, 10:22 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 8:55 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 25, 9:35 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I think we all know the answer, don't we?
>
>
> > > >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5915/767
>
> > > > and of course there are sedimantry rock ON THE TOP OF MOUNT EVEREST.
>
> > > > but don't let little things such as this keep you from believing the
> > > > flood was not real!
>
> > > rates of...species divergence?
>
> > They have that minor detail incorrect.
>
> "Minor detail"???
>
> BWAHAHA sorry.
Yes. A minor discrepancy in what exactly happens. Which could be
considered a minor detail of sorts.
>
> Um, that minor detail is the MAIN POINT OF THE WHOLE FREAKING
> PAPER!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!11!
The point is correct. It is the definition that is wrong.
>
> > Species evolve, but they do not diverge.
>
> OK Once for all, tell me the difference.
Damn Chris. How many times do i have to explain?
Evolution takes place "after his own kind".
Original species X gives rise to species a variation of X and so on.
Any of the variations can give rise to another variation of itself
which is still a variation of the original.
IOW no species jumping from cats to dogs because of time, mutation and
NS.
In a straight line is what has been observed. Nothing else.
Has the original the original B. oleracea given rise to anything that
was not a variation of another member of the the original B. family?
>
> > Since we were already discussing it earlier, the original B. oleracea
> > gave rise to many other kinds like cabbage, broccoli, kale, etc. Its
> > use goes back to the Greeks about 600 BC from what I can tell. But
> > undoubtedly its use goes back earlier. Adam and Eve probably ate it.
>
> > But has anyone in all these thousands of years of recorded history
> > ever seen a kind of cabbage diverge and give rise to something as
> > different like a pine tree? Surely something like that would have been
> > noticed and recorded.
>
> It's creationists that think species magically poof into existence
> from nowhere. And it's only creationists that think that your
> cauliflower brain despite superficial similarities, could ever be pine
> nuts.
>
> Thinking that way lies madness. It's as though you think someone could
> mate with a sibling and have kids who were their second cousins. It's
> idiotic to even propose such an idea, and after all the corrections
> you have had on this, it's just dishonest to keep pushing it.
What is idiotic is to suggest a water creature such as a fish can give
rise to a land creature. Nothing of the sort is even remotely
suggested by what we can observe for ourselves.
>
> > > That's rich.
>
> > tasty too. And beneficial for you and the kids this winter because
> > these vegetables, some of the most nutritious of all with lots of
> > minerals and vitamins, and antioxidants that surpass the power of
> > vitamins A, C and E found in pill form. Just in time for winter.
>
> LOL. Those broccolis you're eating probably came from the Central
> Valley of California. And your antioxidant-rich grapes are from Chile.
> Those sweet potatoes so rich in vitamin A were stored in controlled-
> temperature, ethylene-free environments. How is that evidence of
> divine providence?
>
> Chris
And this changes the fact that the original species of the cabbage was
perfect for humans and animals and gives the exact nutrients needed at
the perfect time of the year, --HOW??
Which just so happens to be what man and animals ate, in the
beginning.