Why it's already too late.
spintronic
Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
has momentum.
The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
since non-biblical records began.
So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
stranded.
Revelation 11:18
All-seeing-I
Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
conclusion to this eon.
Boikat
Can I have all your stuff? Except for the druggie shit. You can keep
that crap.
>
> Revelation 11:18
Genesis 8:21.
Boikat
Boikat
Idiots.
Boikat
bpuharic
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
>> Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>>
>> Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
>> has momentum.
>>
>> The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
>> and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
>> since non-biblical records began.
>>
>> So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
>> knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
>> stranded.
>>
>> Revelation 11:18
>
>Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
that's true. because when it's shown to be wrong you just fall back
and re-define.
>
>Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
>conclusion to this eon.
so you guys have been saying for 2000 years.
any idea when the party's gonna start? hell i'm old enough to remember
when you guys were saying the end of the world was coming when the
'common market' reached 10 members.
VoiceOfReason
Michael Siemon
<3139b54a-d630-401f...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
VoiceOfReason <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:
:-)
So, the religious wingnuts, under the impression that when things
_really_ start to go wrong, it is God's effing Will, and _therefore_
we must not do anything that might address the problems.
That is:
1. Deny what is happening, despite all evidence,
until
2. Even the wing-nuts see that things are going to hell
and then
3. Invoke Apocalypse, and regard it as a religious duty to make
things worse.
_Oh_ _goody_.
Boikat
> In article
> <3139b54a-d630-401f-81c5-b695fce9c...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
4, When all is said and done, and the world is still intact, they
pretend that they were not all panicy, until the next thunderstorm.
Repeat step "3".
Boikat
RAM
Fools and their dogmatic unevidenced ancient dehumanizing religious
beliefs will always be with us. Thoughtful religious debate and
changing religious values which renew and enhance human communal life
are important processes in the evolution of belief and religion.
Theist 11:18
Paul J Gans
>In article
><3139b54a-d630-401f...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> VoiceOfReason <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:
>:-)
>That is:
>until
>and then
>_Oh_ _goody_.
It is a rather different mind-set, isn't it? And a strange
one. It reminds me of the sterotype of a Muslim saying "if
Allah wills it" to everything.
Fatalism can be fatal.
--
--- Paul J. Gans
All-seeing-I
> Michael Siemon <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >In article
> ><3139b54a-d630-401f-81c5-b695fce9c...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
All-seeing-I
> Michael Siemon <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >In article
> ><3139b54a-d630-401f-81c5-b695fce9c...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
These statements show how little you know about religions.
At one time the phrase "If the Lord wills it" was a very common phrase
used before or after a Christian prayer as well. It is a recent
phenomenon that the phrase has lost popularity. The phrase has it's
origins in ancient Hebrew worship and was taught by James, the brother
of Jesus.
James 4:13-15 - Now listen to me, you that say, "Today or tomorrow we
will travel to a certain city, where we will stay a year and go into
business and make a lot of money." You don't even know what your life
tomorrow will be!. What you should say is this, "If the Lord is
willing, we will live and do this or that."
In fact, there is a variation of the phrase you may know: "The lord
willing and the creek don't rise" (google the phrase)
>
> Fatalism can be fatal.
So can your kind of bias. Because you do not understand what you
critize. many of you don't.
All-seeing-I
Exactly what book did you read this grabage from
> Theist 11:18
unevidenced eh? um hum.
Revelation 11:7
7Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up
from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8Their
bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively
called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 9For
three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and
nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10The
inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by
sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented
those who live on the earth."
It was not possible for all of the "inhabitants of the earth" from
every "tribe, language and nation" to see two dead bodies dead in the
streets of Jerusalem for 3.5 days and, do so at the same time, until
the onslaught of satellite television.
.
There are many examples of --prophesy fufilled-- with evidence.
Unfortunatly there have been many that have "cried wolf" for 2000
years as Boil-kat has said. Which is leaving many people unprepared
for when the end really does come.
stew dean
It appears you know less about religion than you realise. Do you know
why people would say stuff like this? To me it's fairly obvious.
> > Fatalism can be fatal.
> So can your kind of bias.
You mean against stupidity. I think that's a heavy bias, one I share.
> Because you do not understand what you
> critize. many of you don't.
The thing about being an atheist who enjoys a debate is you get to see
how terrible and transparent many religious arguments are. I've
debated creationists for years now and, whilst once there where some
unique arguments, now I've given up seeing anything that has not been
refuted a thousand times already.
richardal...@googlemail.com
> CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> has momentum.
>
> The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
> since non-biblical records began.
..in the UK. That rate rainfall is common in countries which have
monsoons.
RF
Devils Advocaat
collapsed, and one other is likely to collapse soon. Sixteen other
bridges are closed as a precautionary measure.
Only two towns are severely affected, Cockermouth (pop 4,706) and
Workington (pop 24,121).
Neither town is completely stranded. And in fact only 1,300 homes have
been flooded, and the majority of people evacuated are staying with
family or friends.
Ye Old One
That is an insult to idiots the world over.
>
>Boikat
--
Bob.
Ye Old One
It is not even possible with satellite TV. A fairly large portion of
the worlds population do not have TV, many do not even have
electricity.
>
>.
>There are many examples of --prophesy fufilled-- with evidence.
Are there? Many claim the same for Nostradamus.
>
>Unfortunatly there have been many that have "cried wolf" for 2000
>years as Boil-kat has said. Which is leaving many people unprepared
>for when the end really does come.
You are a moron!
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
Science causes disease.
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited
some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of
rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me
laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle
East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah
and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to?
Certainly I don't.
--
Bob.
chris thompson
And that's exactly what makes you bible-thumpers so dangerous.
If you think nothing can stop it, you won't make any effort to stop
it- indeed, many of you lunatics welcome it. And that impedes the rest
of the people of the world from even lessening the severity.
The problem is that you'll be standing there with the rest of us, at
the end of the day, with water to your waist, and you'll be wailing
"But gawd was sposed to be here by now!"
What makes you fools any different from the Millerites?
Chris
spintronic
He isn't. This time *YOU* are.
spintronic
>
> - Show quoted text -
But it's not common in the U.K.
Paul J Gans
Some, with shorter memories, go back and start at 1.
bpuharic
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>These statements show how little you know about religions.
says the guy who thinks 100,000 ancient texts are all correct...even
when they contradict each other
bpuharic
>It was not possible for all of the "inhabitants of the earth" from
>every "tribe, language and nation" to see two dead bodies dead in the
>streets of Jerusalem for 3.5 days and, do so at the same time, until
>the onslaught of satellite television.
actually it was possible 50 years ago with the advent of TV.
>
>.
>There are many examples of --prophesy fufilled-- with evidence.
so you guys have said...for 2000 years. one can find examples of your
view from the year 33 to today
>
>Unfortunatly there have been many that have "cried wolf" for 2000
>years as Boil-kat has said. Which is leaving many people unprepared
>for when the end really does come.
yeah. 2000 years of crying wolf...and he thinks it's still OK to cry
wolf
creationists are SSSOOOO stupid
spintronic
.
.
> creationists are SSSOOOO stupid
I suppose you're so clever?
spintronic
> On Nov 22, 8:47 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> > > Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> > > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> > > has momentum.
>
> > > The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> > > and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
> > > since non-biblical records began.
>
> > > So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
> > > knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
> > > stranded.
.
> > > Revelation 11:18
>
> > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>
> > Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
> > conclusion to this eon.
>
> And that's exactly what makes you bible-thumpers so dangerous.
How is watching *you* bring your own destruction, dangerous?
> If you think nothing can stop it, you won't make any effort to stop
> it- indeed, many of you lunatics welcome it.
As you know, I don't have light's on. But what efforts are you making?
0.
> And that impedes the rest of the people of the world from even lessening the severity.
*Rest of the people*?
It's the *Rest of the people*, who are causing the problem.
None of you are trying to ease the severity.
Even Al Gore flies around the world like he's on air-force 1 preaching
that everyons should *STOP*, and then *excuses* he's own actions, by
buying a few trees, that noone will ever plant.
Prince charles is an even bigger hypocrite.
> The problem is that you'll be standing there with the rest of us,
Yes, we know. As naked as a baby, nothing will remain hidden.
> at the end of the day,
Bou't time you admitted we are in that period.
> with water to your waist, and you'll be wailing "But gawd was sposed to be here by now!"
God will be there. Hook in hand.
> What makes you fools any different from the Millerites?
Mt 24: 4 & 5.
Noone is asking you to follow a man.
Just asking you follow the evidence.
Boikat
No more or less than you, spinturd.
Boikat
All-seeing-I
wrote:
> On Nov 22, 8:47 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> > > Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> > > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> > > has momentum.
>
> > > The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> > > and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
> > > since non-biblical records began.
>
> > > So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
> > > knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
> > > stranded.
>
> > > Revelation 11:18
>
> > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>
> > Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
> > conclusion to this eon.
>
> And that's exactly what makes you bible-thumpers so dangerous.
oh really..
There is a real problem emanating from the east and west coasts in
America today. You people desire to demonize the "bible thumpers";
When in fact, you will be running to them on the last day asking how
to save your sorry hides.
You do realize that even science confirms past eons, right? That there
have been other periods on earth that have come to an end, right? That
other cultures have similar prophesy in their traditions that tell of
the end of this and other eons right? That most of life ended with
those eons, right? Just as your science says happened, right?
The events for told in the bible describe the ending of this eon and
the ushering in of a new one. Why is that so hard to believe since
your own baby-step science confirms these types of events have
happened in the past?
Only this time it is explained that man is the one that will cause
this particular eon to come to an end. How? With a war that cumulates
in the middle east. And guess what. The middle east is where we have
seen much contention since the 1940's (as for told). And despite man's
efforts and more then 60 years there still is no peace. We only see
escalation every day.
But for some unspeakable reason you folks think this eon coming to an
end is not a real possibility.
The only thing that is different about this eon ending that was not
the same during the other eons ending is this: At the end of this eon
it is for told that Jesus will return before all life ends.
Let's hope that is true or will will all die.
> If you think nothing can stop it, you won't make any effort to stop
> it- indeed, many of you lunatics welcome it. And that impedes the rest
> of the people of the world from even lessening the severity.
You do not understand. It cannot be stopped. I wish it could. But it
cannot. Why? Because many people such as yourself think it is not even
real. We are just "bible thumpers". Bible thumpers are just telling
lies.
The fact is, This involves a process that you deny is real based on
the bizarre fact that you cannot test for it; Even though you know
that mankind's perceptions are limited to his abilities.
>
> The problem is that you'll be standing there with the rest of us, at
> the end of the day, with water to your waist, and you'll be wailing
> "But gawd was sposed to be here by now!"
Maybe. Or maybe the bible is right when it says some will be asking
the mountains to fall on them and kill them, while others will not.
Then it will be folks like you crying "Lord Lord!" help us". But as
the bible claims He will say: you denied me, now I will deny you.
I for one choose to err on the side of caution and believe what the
bible says. However, I do so for good reasons. Because we do indeed
had prior confirmed eons that ended with must of life gone. It is also
quite possible man can destroy himself over a war in the middle east.
Then, there are other texts in other cultures singing an almost
identical tune. Finally, There are also confirmed prophesy that have
come true despite those that shake their little rebellion fists and
say: "No there is not".
The most blatant one is in Revelation 11 where it says all nations,
tribes and peoples on the earth will stare at the two dead bodies of
God's witnesses for 3.5 days. He sends them as a final appeal to
mankind. But mankind will kill them just as mankind has killed all of
the other prophets including Jesus in the past.
Everyone on earth being able to view 2 dead bodies at the same time in
the streets of Jerusalem. But that was something which was not
possible until the invention of satellite television. The news media's
propensity for playing the same terrible news story over and over for
days explains seeing the dead bodies for 3 days.
>
> What makes you fools any different from the Millerites?
Your lack of perception to tell the difference.
stew dean
> Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
How true, after all there are whole passages in the Bible about the
effects of C02 on the Earth's atmostphere that everyone ignores.
> Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
> conclusion to this eon.
What is helping is the widespread ignorance of Science.
Mike Lyle
> On 23 Nov, 08:25, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
> <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 1:10 am, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
>>> Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>>
>>> Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming
>>> already has momentum.
>>
>>> The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
>>> and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
>>> since non-biblical records began.
>>
>> ..in the UK. That rate rainfall is common in countries which have
>> monsoons.
>>
>>> knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
>>> stranded.
>>
>>> Revelation 11:18- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> But it's not common in the U.K.
That's right. And the Bible is quite specific in warning that the
destruction was going to begin in Cumbria.
--
Mike.
Boikat
I doubt that, greatly.
<snip crap>
>
> Your lack of perception to tell the difference.
You self absorbed ignorance blinds you to the fact that you're an
idiot.
Boikat
Kermit
Actually, we know how to save our sorry hides. Stop producing so much
in the way of greenhouse gasses, and seriously stop having so many
babies. But because so many people are scientifically illiterate, they
think that the scientists are indulging in some big conspiracy
(because we all know how rich climatologists are) or that scientific
theories are "just somebody's opinion".
Because they don't understand reality, or worse, like you, deny it
altogether, we can't get enough folks on board. The solution (if we
all understood what is happening) is simple, but not easy.
I fear that population growth and pollution will be curtailed in any
event, but if we won't take steps now nature will take care of it for
us. It won't be pretty, and it won't be pleasant. And the religious
fundamentalists around the world will either be denying it or blaming
anyone but themselves.
> You do realize that even science confirms past eons, right? That there
> have been other periods on earth that have come to an end, right?
Dramatic changes in climate, yes.
> That
> other cultures have similar prophesy in their traditions that tell of
> the end of this and other eons right?
The details of which differ dramatically, with no dates, specific
predictions, or explanations.
Other cultures also have prophecies of wonderful times. They have
their bases covered, if you don't look too closely. Like, that is, at
all.
> That most of life ended with
> those eons, right? Just as your science says happened, right?
For sufficiently fuzzy descriptions, yes.
>
> The events for told in the bible describe the ending of this eon and
> the ushering in of a new one. Why is that so hard to believe since
> your own baby-step science confirms these types of events have
> happened in the past?
One more in a two thousand year history of end time prophecies.
>
> Only this time it is explained that man is the one that will cause
> this particular eon to come to an end. How? With a war that cumulates
> in the middle east.
Are you seriously suggesting that talk of war in the Near East
requires divine revelation?
> And guess what. The middle east is where we have
> seen much contention since the 1940's (as for told). And despite man's
> efforts and more then 60 years there still is no peace. We only see
> escalation every day.
>
> But for some unspeakable reason you folks think this eon coming to an
> end is not a real possibility.
>
Eh? Climatologists are warning of impending disaster, and want us to
take steps to ameliorate it. I fear that folks like you will not co-
operate.
> The only thing that is different about this eon ending that was not
> the same during the other eons ending is this: At the end of this eon
> it is for told that Jesus will return before all life ends.
Humans weren't around for previous "end of eons". We've only been here
for the blink of an eye in geological time.
>
> Let's hope that is true or will will all die.
No, not all humans will die. But civilization may collapse, resources
will become very inaccessible, many species will die off. The
ecosystem will be simplified, and much of the population will die off
painfully or violently.
>
> > If you think nothing can stop it, you won't make any effort to stop
> > it- indeed, many of you lunatics welcome it. And that impedes the rest
> > of the people of the world from even lessening the severity.
>
> You do not understand. It cannot be stopped. I wish it could. But it
> cannot. Why? Because many people such as yourself think it is not even
> real.
Scientists have been warning about this since they realized what was
going on. If you think it can't be stopped, and don't understand why
it's happening, you are part of the problem.
> We are just "bible thumpers". Bible thumpers are just telling
> lies.
>
Not always. Sometimes they are simply very ignorant or delusional.
> The fact is, This involves a process that you deny is real based on
> the bizarre fact that you cannot test for it;
WTF are you talking about? The science journals are filled with daily
papers on this subject. Everytime some data is gathered, the theories
are being tested.
> Even though you know
> that mankind's perceptions are limited to his abilities.
Yes. Especially when you depend on your imagination for "information".
Then you aren't perceiving anything at all.
>
>
>
> > The problem is that you'll be standing there with the rest of us, at
> > the end of the day, with water to your waist, and you'll be wailing
> > "But gawd was sposed to be here by now!"
>
> Maybe.
Or maybe you'll be saying "It's the scientists / elitists / liberals /
atheists fault! Not mine!"
> Or maybe the bible is right when it says some will be asking
> the mountains to fall on them and kill them, while others will not.
> Then it will be folks like you crying "Lord Lord!" help us". But as
> the bible claims He will say: you denied me, now I will deny you.
There have been quite a few atheists in foxholes. Good luck convincing
me that lying to myself will enable me to live longer.
>
> I for one choose to err on the side of caution and believe what the
> bible says.
Why not what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi says? Or the Ayatolla Kameini? Or
Madame Blavatsky?
> However, I do so for good reasons. Because we do indeed
> had prior confirmed eons that ended with must of life gone. It is also
> quite possible man can destroy himself over a war in the middle east.
That would never have occurred to anybody without God's Light shining
through his prophets.
<rolls eyes>
> Then, there are other texts in other cultures singing an almost
> identical tune. Finally, There are also confirmed prophesy that have
> come true despite those that shake their little rebellion fists and
> say: "No there is not".
Actually those tunes are very different, except the culturally related
ones.
>
> The most blatant one is in Revelation 11 where it says all nations,
> tribes and peoples on the earth will stare at the two dead bodies of
> God's witnesses for 3.5 days. He sends them as a final appeal to
> mankind. But mankind will kill them just as mankind has killed all of
> the other prophets including Jesus in the past.
>
> Everyone on earth being able to view 2 dead bodies at the same time in
> the streets of Jerusalem. But that was something which was not
> possible until the invention of satellite television. The news media's
> propensity for playing the same terrible news story over and over for
> days explains seeing the dead bodies for 3 days.
So, no actual evidence?
>
>
>
> > What makes you fools any different from the Millerites?
>
> Your lack of perception to tell the difference.
Ever figure out how to differentiate your special perceptions from
psychosis?
Thought not.
Kermit
spintronic
wrote:
> spintronic wrote:
.
.
> >>> Revelation 11:18- Hide quoted text -
>
> > But it's not common in the U.K.
>
> That's right. And the Bible is quite specific in warning that the
> destruction was going to begin in Cumbria.
It didn't begin here, it's just been noticed here.
Kermit
> In article
> <3139b54a-d630-401f-81c5-b695fce9c...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 8:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> > > Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> > > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> > > has momentum.
>
> > > The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> > > and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
> > > since non-biblical records began.
>
> > > So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
> > > knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
> > > stranded.
>
> > > Revelation 11:18
>
>
> :-)
>
> So, the religious wingnuts, under the impression that when things
> _really_ start to go wrong, it is God's effing Will, and _therefore_
> we must not do anything that might address the problems.
>
> That is:
>
> 1. Deny what is happening, despite all evidence,
>
> until
>
> 2. Even the wing-nuts see that things are going to hell
>
> and then
>
> 3. Invoke Apocalypse, and regard it as a religious duty to make
> things worse.
>
> _Oh_ _goody_.
And don't forget step 4:
Blame the scientists who were trying to warn them.
Kermit
All-seeing-I
Which has ALL the answers, right?
RAM
Only for those who are reality challenged and purveyors of myths.
>
> Unfortunatly there have been many that have "cried wolf" for 2000
> years as Boil-kat has said. Which is leaving many people unprepared
> for when the end really does come.
Your beliefs are so stupid they are beyond analysis. They deserve to
only be derided.
I grew up in the Biblical fundamentalist prophesy tradition. There is
not any event in history or our future that cannot be said to have
been or will be prophesied. I learned that at about ten. At about
thirteen I began to understand it was a childish explanation and
substance free explanation. It is the prototype of substance free
explanation: that is why you like it you can assert anything.
Prophesy befits your persona. No find a street corner of gullible
child like thinkers; because you are never going to have success
here.
And to repeat: "Fools and their dogmatic unevidenced ancient
dehumanizing religious beliefs will always be with us. Thoughtful
religious debate and changing religious values which renew and enhance
human communal life are important processes in the evolution of belief
and religion.
You are a the classic fool who spouts nonsense and expects to be
revered.
Andre Lieven
> On 23 Nov, 14:06, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > creationists are SSSOOOO stupid
>
> I suppose you're so clever?
Compared to you, a retarded rock is clever.
Andre
All-seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
You have failed to address the reality of this by talking about global
warming instead.
hahahah!!
IOW you cannot see the forrest because of the cob webs in your own
mind.
How sad.
Kermit
They didn't feel in control of their lives. Better to think that there
is a God's plan for one's personal chaos than to think you are at the
mercy of uncaring natural processes. I suppose it falls out of favor
by those who begin to take charge, and understand at a gut level that
they are at least partially responsible for their circumstances.
>
> > > Fatalism can be fatal.
> > So can your kind of bias.
>
> You mean against stupidity. I think that's a heavy bias, one I share.
Stupidity vs ignorance: who shall win? It's the Battle of the Ages!
>
> > Because you do not understand what you
> > critize. many of you don't.
>
> The thing about being an atheist who enjoys a debate is you get to see
> how terrible and transparent many religious arguments are. I've
> debated creationists for years now and, whilst once there where some
> unique arguments, now I've given up seeing anything that has not been
> refuted a thousand times already.
I dunno... When the assertion is sufficiently vague, it's difficult to
refute. It's like punching fog. No substance.
And when they don't acknowledge facts or questions of logic, it's
like punching a heavy punching bag. There may be substance in the
assertions, but they are oblivious to what is said. They think never
acknowledging an obvious fact, or ignoring a glaring logical error, is
somehow winning an argument.
Kermit
Dan Listermann
"All-seeing-I" <ap...@email.com> wrote in message
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"There is a real problem emanating from the east and west coasts in
America today. You people desire to demonize the "bible thumpers";
When in fact, you will be running to them on the last day asking how
to save your sorry hides."
Religious persecution complex crap - you gotta love it . . .
.
Dan Listermann
Science has all the questions. Religion thinks it has all the answers.
.
heekster
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>On Nov 22, 7:10�pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
>> Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>>
>> Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
>> has momentum.
>>
>> The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
>> and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
>> since non-biblical records began.
>>
>> So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
>> knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
>> stranded.
>>
>> Revelation 11:18
>
>Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
Millerite moron, you're in for yet another, in a long line of Great
Disappointments.
>
>Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
>conclusion to this eon.
Do you know what the difference is between a biscuit and a roll?
spintronic
> On Nov 23, 1:48 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
.
> Prophesy befits your persona. No find a street corner of gullible
> child like thinkers;
Prophecy benefits everyone.
Tell me, what could a 96 year old man have been reffering to, when he
said;
"destroying those who destroy the earth" @ Rev 11:18?
Where there scientsts back then who said "Woo you romans, dont throw
rubbish, that destroys the earth?"
Or was John talking about a unique event?
One that has *ONLY* happened in our time?
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 23, 5:03 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 8:47 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
>> > > Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>>
>> > > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
>> > > has momentum.
>>
>> > > The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
>> > > and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
>> > > since non-biblical records began.
>>
>> > > So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
>> > > knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
>> > > stranded.
>>
>> > > Revelation 11:18
>>
>> > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>>
>> > Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
>> > conclusion to this eon.
>>
>> And that's exactly what makes you bible-thumpers so dangerous.
>
>oh really..
>
>There is a real problem emanating from the east and west coasts in
>America today. You people desire to demonize the "bible thumpers";
They actually manage to do that themselves.
>When in fact, you will be running to them on the last day asking how
>to save your sorry hides.
You gorra be kidding.
>
>You do realize that even science confirms past eons, right?
Wrong.
> That there
>have been other periods on earth that have come to an end, right?
Wrong.
>That
>other cultures have similar prophesy in their traditions that tell of
>the end of this and other eons right? That most of life ended with
>those eons, right?
Wrong.
>Just as your science says happened, right?
Wrong.
>
>The events for told in the bible describe the ending of this eon and
>the ushering in of a new one. Why is that so hard to believe since
>your own baby-step science confirms these types of events have
>happened in the past?
No, wrong again.
>
>Only this time it is explained that man is the one that will cause
>this particular eon to come to an end. How? With a war that cumulates
>in the middle east. And guess what. The middle east is where we have
>seen much contention since the 1940's (as for told). And despite man's
>efforts and more then 60 years there still is no peace. We only see
>escalation every day.
Driven by religious nutters like you.
>
>But for some unspeakable reason you folks think this eon coming to an
>end is not a real possibility.
At last you get something right. Hang out the flags!
>
>The only thing that is different about this eon ending that was not
>the same during the other eons ending is this: At the end of this eon
>it is for told that Jesus will return before all life ends.
But he was supposed to have returned two thousand years ago.
>
>Let's hope that is true or will will all die.
>
>
>> If you think nothing can stop it, you won't make any effort to stop
>> it- indeed, many of you lunatics welcome it. And that impedes the rest
>> of the people of the world from even lessening the severity.
>
>You do not understand. It cannot be stopped. I wish it could. But it
>cannot. Why? Because many people such as yourself think it is not even
>real. We are just "bible thumpers". Bible thumpers are just telling
>lies.
True.
>
>The fact is, This involves a process that you deny is real based on
>the bizarre fact that you cannot test for it; Even though you know
>that mankind's perceptions are limited to his abilities.
If you support it then it is a safe bet it is not real.
>
>>
>> The problem is that you'll be standing there with the rest of us, at
>> the end of the day, with water to your waist, and you'll be wailing
>> "But gawd was sposed to be here by now!"
>
>Maybe. Or maybe the bible is right when it says some will be asking
>the mountains to fall on them and kill them, while others will not.
>Then it will be folks like you crying "Lord Lord!" help us". But as
>the bible claims He will say: you denied me, now I will deny you.
>
>I for one choose to err on the side of caution and believe what the
>bible says. However, I do so for good reasons. Because we do indeed
>had prior confirmed eons that ended with must of life gone.
Wrong.
> It is also
>quite possible man can destroy himself over a war in the middle east.
>Then, there are other texts in other cultures singing an almost
>identical tune. Finally, There are also confirmed prophesy that have
>come true despite those that shake their little rebellion fists and
>say: "No there is not".
And yet you cannot find one that stands up to examination any more
than the prophesies of Nostradamus.
>
>The most blatant one is in Revelation 11 where it says all nations,
>tribes and peoples on the earth will stare at the two dead bodies of
>God's witnesses for 3.5 days. He sends them as a final appeal to
>mankind. But mankind will kill them just as mankind has killed all of
>the other prophets including Jesus in the past.
Well, looks like we are in for a very long wait.
>
>Everyone on earth being able to view 2 dead bodies at the same time in
>the streets of Jerusalem. But that was something which was not
>possible until the invention of satellite television.
And still isn't possible.
>The news media's
>propensity for playing the same terrible news story over and over for
>days explains seeing the dead bodies for 3 days.
No, it doesn't.
>
>>
>> What makes you fools any different from the Millerites?
>
>Your lack of perception to tell the difference.
Talking of lack of perception. Found any discoveries by Kent 'Bogus
Degree' Hovind yet?
--
Bob.
When D-G made Madman out of clay he forgot to magic the brain. I think
that explains everything.
bpuharic
compared to creationists, my poodles are einstein
bpuharic
<spint...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 23 Nov, 15:38, RAM <ramather...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 1:48 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>.
>.
>
>> Prophesy befits your persona. No find a street corner of gullible
>> child like thinkers;
>
>
>Prophecy benefits everyone.
prophecy is what you make it. and you guys have been making it up for
2000 years.
christian history is littered with the corpses of dead religions
proclaiming the end is near...
>
bpuharic
>>
>> > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>>
>> > Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
>> > conclusion to this eon.
>>
>> And that's exactly what makes you bible-thumpers so dangerous.
>
>oh really..
>
>There is a real problem emanating from the east and west coasts in
>America today. You people desire to demonize the "bible thumpers";
>When in fact, you will be running to them on the last day asking how
>to save your sorry hides.
yeah you guys have been saying that for 2000 years. any idea when the
party starts?
>
>You do realize that even science confirms past eons, right?
the creationist reasons as follows:
1. there are 100,000 ancient texts
2 they're all right except when they're not
3 science tell us which is right
4. science is always wrong
got that?
That there
>have been other periods on earth that have come to an end, right? That
>other cultures have similar prophesy in their traditions that tell of
>the end of this and other eons right? That most of life ended with
>those eons, right? Just as your science says happened, right?
ROFLMAO!!! it would come as a surprise to no one in the ancient world,
given the rampant disease and warfare, that a civilization could come
to an end. creationists take the obvious and make it a god!
>
>The events for told in the bible describe the ending of this eon and
>the ushering in of a new one. Why is that so hard to believe since
>your own baby-step science confirms these types of events have
>happened in the past?
but according to you science is always wrong. only your angels and
ghosts are real.
>
>Only this time it is explained that man is the one that will cause
>this particular eon to come to an end. How? With a war that cumulates
>in the middle east. And guess what. The middle east is where we have
>seen much contention since the 1940's (as for told). And despite man's
>efforts and more then 60 years there still is no peace. We only see
>escalation every day.
of course, 1000 years ago when muslims warriors were conquering spain,
and threatened france, the end of the world was near. i grew up in
pittsburgh where the jehovah's witnesses got started. they thought the
world would end in 1844.
harold camping, on of the most well known evangelists today, says the
world will end in may of next year
you guys need to get your stories straight, m'kay? because you've been
wrong for thousands of years.
>> If you think nothing can stop it, you won't make any effort to stop
>> it- indeed, many of you lunatics welcome it. And that impedes the rest
>> of the people of the world from even lessening the severity.
>
>You do not understand. It cannot be stopped. I wish it could. But it
>cannot. Why? Because many people such as yourself think it is not even
>real. We are just "bible thumpers". Bible thumpers are just telling
>lies.
says the liar
>
>The fact is, This involves a process that you deny is real based on
>the bizarre fact that you cannot test for it; Even though you know
>that mankind's perceptions are limited to his abilities.
and you think pepole can see angels and ghosts...you think THOSE are
real and that the real world is false.
why not test your ideas by walking out a 10th story window....
>
>I for one choose to err on the side of caution and believe what the
>bible says
or what you THINK it says. there are 38,000 christian denominations.
seems even the believers can't tell us what the bible means
.. However, I do so for good reasons. Because we do indeed
>had prior confirmed eons that ended with must of life gone. It is also
>quite possible man can destroy himself over a war in the middle east.
blah blah. you guys were claiming the world would end when the common
market reached 10 members. then it was when the USSR attacked the US.
so your prophecy is just bullshit
>Then, there are other texts in other cultures singing an almost
>identical tune. Finally, There are also confirmed prophesy that have
>come true despite those that shake their little rebellion fists and
>say: "No there is not".
yeah with 100,000 ancient texts it's not hard to find one that says
what you want it to say
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Right so far.
--
Bob.
The truth is like ice water, it shocks you when it hits you, but no
one's ever died from it. Do yourself a favour and try it sometime.
Desertphile
<spint...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> has momentum.
Yes. The solution is to have fewer humans living from now to the
next 3,000 years.
> The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
> since non-biblical records began.
That is not evidence for global climate change, silly.
> So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
> knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
> stranded.
That is not evidence for global climate change, silly.
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Desertphile
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Revelation 11:18
A past-tense "prophesy?" ROTFL!
> Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
There is very little prophesy in the Bible, and what it prophesied
has turned out wrong.
> Even the evo-freaks are playiing (sic) their tiny roll in bringing a
> conclusion to this eon.
Appears mental.
All-seeing-I
If you had two brain cells they would not be large enough to rub
together and start a fire.
Boikat
> If you had two brain cells they would not be large enough to rub
> together and start a fire.
And you could only dream of having two braincells, Mr. Cambrian Mammal
= Trilobite.
Boikat
All-seeing-I
You remind me of that crazy lady in the movie "Misery"
The one that broke both of his feet.
[backs away slowly]
All-seeing-I
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:38:22 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
> <ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>
> >On Nov 23, 9:12 am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 23 Nov, 01:47, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>
> >> How true, after all there are whole passages in the Bible about the
> >> effects of C02 on the Earth's atmostphere that everyone ignores.
>
> >> > Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
> >> > conclusion to this eon.
>
> >> What is helping is the widespread ignorance of Science.
>
> >Which has ALL the answers, right?
>
> Right so far.
Shall we start with medical mishaps, or should we go right to the good
stuff like poisoning the air and the water.
yeah. Your science is \"right"/
-----> / N O T \<------
Boikat
Cognitive disonance. How unsurprising. What does your shrink have to
say about that?
Boikat
All-seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
brain synapse disorder.
You should seek help.
Boikat
Why me? You're the one with the disorder, Mr. Cambrian Mammal =
Trilobite..
Boikat
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
What would you know about brain cells?
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 23, 12:44 pm, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:38:22 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
>> <ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 23, 9:12 am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On 23 Nov, 01:47, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>>
>> >> How true, after all there are whole passages in the Bible about the
>> >> effects of C02 on the Earth's atmostphere that everyone ignores.
>>
>> >> > Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
>> >> > conclusion to this eon.
>>
>> >> What is helping is the widespread ignorance of Science.
>>
>> >Which has ALL the answers, right?
>>
>> Right so far.
>
>Shall we start with medical mishaps,
Mishaps happen, doctors are human. Unlike the religious, who want to
drag us back to the dark ages, scientists build for the future.
>or should we go right to the good
>stuff like poisoning the air and the water.
Ah! Yes, a good example of creationists harming the planet.
>
>yeah. Your science is \"right"/
Good. Glad you agree.
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
Science causes disease.
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited
some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of
rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me
laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle
East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah
and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to?
Certainly I don't.
--
Bob.
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 23, 3:09 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 2:58 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 2:39 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 23, 2:26 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > If you had two brain cells they would not be large enough to rub
>> > > > together and start a fire.
>>
>> > > And you could only dream of having two braincells, Mr. Cambrian Mammal
>> > > = Trilobite.
>>
>> > > Boikat
>>
>> > You remind me of that crazy lady in the movie "Misery"
>>
>> > The one that broke both of his feet.
>>
>> > [backs away slowly]
>>
>> Cognitive disonance. How unsurprising. What does your shrink have to
>> say about that?
>>
>
>brain synapse disorder.
No, I don't think your shrink would say that about you. You give no
evidence of having a brain.
>
>You should seek help.
Yes, you should.
--
Bob.
People may not always remember exactly what you said, but they will
always remember just how bright you made them feel.
bpuharic
<spint...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 23 Nov, 15:15, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>> spintronic wrote:
>.
>.
>
>> >>> Revelation 11:18- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > But it's not common in the U.K.
>>
>> That's right. And the Bible is quite specific in warning that the
>> destruction was going to begin in Cumbria.
>
>It didn't begin here, it's just been noticed here.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3EMk3m5iEA
don't the mormons believe it's gonna happen in utah or some junk like
that?
it's so hard keeping up with you 38,000 denominations who all say they
have the truth
bpuharic
<stew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The thing about being an atheist who enjoys a debate is you get to see
>how terrible and transparent many religious arguments are. I've
>debated creationists for years now and, whilst once there where some
>unique arguments, now I've given up seeing anything that has not been
>refuted a thousand times already.
christopher hitchens has noted the same thing. i guess it's due to the
fact fundies generally don't read and what little info they allow
themselves to see is filtered through the thick distortional lenses of
their fanaticism.
VoiceOfReason
How did Middle Age Christians deal with the plague? Flagellation,
incense, burn a few Jews... Ah, the good ol' days.
Desertphile
<spint...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Prophecy benefits everyone.
That's great! So.... why is prophesy always wrong, or made after
the fact? How does being wrong "benefit everyone?"
Desertphile
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:47:44 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
> > <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Revelation 11:18
> >
> > A past-tense "prophesy?" ROTFL!
> >
> > > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
> >
> > There is very little prophesy in the Bible, and what it prophesied
> > has turned out wrong.
> >
> > > Even the evo-freaks are playiing (sic) their tiny roll in bringing a
> > > conclusion to this eon.
> >
> > Appears mental.
Content restored.
> If you had two brain cells they would not be large enough to rub
> together and start a fire.
Translation: you cannot point to any "prophesy" that has ever come
true that was (1) written before an event and (2) wasn't an event
that was obvious to everyone it would occur, and that fact makes
you sad.
All-seeing-I
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:06:18 -0800 (PST), stew dean
>
Refuted with what?
Refuted with the same old arguments over and over that really refutes
nothing except in the atheists mind.
Mark Isaak
> [...]
> Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
The end of the world stops it. And Bible prophecy says that the world
has ended thousands of times.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"It is certain, from experience, that the smallest grain of natural
honesty and benevolence has more effect on men's conduct, than the most
pompous views suggested by theological theories and systems." - D. Hume
RAM
It doesn't take much knowledge to understand that these are common
concerns of all ages and they aren't profound or sacred concerns. So
what is your point?
RAM
> On Nov 23, 5:10 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:06:18 -0800 (PST), stew dean
>
> > <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >The thing about being an atheist who enjoys a debate is you get to see
> > >how terrible and transparent many religious arguments are. I've
> > >debated creationists for years now and, whilst once there where some
> > >unique arguments, now I've given up seeing anything that has not been
> > >refuted a thousand times already.
>
> > christopher hitchens has noted the same thing. i guess it's due to the
> > fact fundies generally don't read and what little info they allow
> > themselves to see is filtered through the thick distortional lenses of
> > their fanaticism.
>
> Refuted with what?
Empirically replicable evidence: like for a young earth, creationism,
and a global flood.
>
> Refuted with the same old arguments
It is Creationist who engage in the same old tired arguments and they
have been resoundingly refuted by science. They will not survive in
the larger society but are destined to sectarian isolated groups who
will be viewed as quaint but not serious.
> over and over that really refutes
> nothing except in the atheists mind.
You don't know the mind of scientists. These are the ones who will be
powerful enough in the long run to push your beliefs into the
backwaters of society. The power comes from scientific evidence.
Your kookiness will never become normative. It is destined to be
known only in the history of deviants and quacks.
stew dean
> On Nov 23, 5:10 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:06:18 -0800 (PST), stew dean
>
> > <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >The thing about being an atheist who enjoys a debate is you get to see
> > >how terrible and transparent many religious arguments are. I've
> > >debated creationists for years now and, whilst once there where some
> > >unique arguments, now I've given up seeing anything that has not been
> > >refuted a thousand times already.
>
> > christopher hitchens has noted the same thing. i guess it's due to the
> > fact fundies generally don't read and what little info they allow
> > themselves to see is filtered through the thick distortional lenses of
> > their fanaticism.
>
> Refuted with what?
Small things like objective information.
Stew Dean
stew dean
> On Nov 23, 9:12 am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 23 Nov, 01:47, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
> > effects of C02 on the Earth's atmostphere that everyone ignores.
>
> > > conclusion to this eon.
>
> > What is helping is the widespread ignorance of Science.
>
> Which has ALL the answers, right?
It's good enough it has some answers and does not pretend to have ALL
the answers. Have you read the bible - it's very very short on any
real information and big on self contradicting subjective rubbish
delivered in a big voice.
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 23, 5:10 pm, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:06:18 -0800 (PST), stew dean
>>
>> <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The thing about being an atheist who enjoys a debate is you get to see
>> >how terrible and transparent many religious arguments are. I've
>> >debated creationists for years now and, whilst once there where some
>> >unique arguments, now I've given up seeing anything that has not been
>> >refuted a thousand times already.
>>
>> christopher hitchens has noted the same thing. i guess it's due to the
>> fact fundies generally don't read and what little info they allow
>> themselves to see is filtered through the thick distortional lenses of
>> their fanaticism.
>
>Refuted with what?
Evidence. You should try using it once in a while.
You could start by finding evidence of the scientific discoveries made
by Kent 'Bogus Degree' Hovind. Just one would do.
>
>Refuted with the same old arguments over and over that really refutes
>nothing except in the atheists mind.
Refuted with reality.
(David P.)
>
> CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane
> & CO2 from Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
> Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the
> warming already has momentum.
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[...]
.
.
--
Boikat
>
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:06:18 -0800 (PST), stew dean
>
> > <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >The thing about being an atheist who enjoys a debate is you get to see
> > >how terrible and transparent many religious arguments are. I've
> > >debated creationists for years now and, whilst once there where some
> > >unique arguments, now I've given up seeing anything that has not been
> > >refuted a thousand times already.
>
> > christopher hitchens has noted the same thing. i guess it's due to the
> > fact fundies generally don't read and what little info they allow
> > themselves to see is filtered through the thick distortional lenses of
> > their fanaticism.
>
> Refuted with what?
Usually with facts, evidence or logic.
You'd be surprised how many creatotards think presenting a claim in
the form of "'X' is too difficult to explain, or has not been
explained, therefore, it was created by Gaw-duh!" Such claims are
refuted on the basis of the simple fact that the conclusion rests upon
personal inability to preceive the claimants personal perceptive or
knowledge limitations, which is often tied in with the argument from
personal ignorance. A prime example is two recent threads entitled
"Let's get this straight", and "A matter of Magic", where the OP
concludes that "Goddidit" based upon his personal inability to
understand various simple peinciples on nature.
Oh, wait. Those threads were started by you. Well, that just proves
my point.
>
> Refuted with the same old arguments over and over that really refutes
> nothing except in the atheists mind.
I've yet to see any creationist claim that has not been refuted by
simple logic or evidence, (especialy ones made by you, Mr. Cambrian
Mammal = Trilobite). That is where the cycle ends until the next
creationist twit repeats the same *reufuted^ claim. And,
occasionally, you run across a really dense and ignorant creationist
that will repeat a claim that they had made, which was soundly
refuted, yet they act like it's a new claim. That shows how willfully
stupid some creationists are. Oh, wait, you've done that too, which
also proves my point.
Boikat
Iain
> CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> has momentum.
>
> The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours...
Are they going to leave old Durham town?
First Cumbria, then the world.
I saw a horse the other day, with two heads, and two bodies.
--Iain
Iain
Has anyone else noticed how Cumbria looks like The Shire?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/images/2007/02/20/cumbria2_470x344.jpg
--Iain
heekster
Has anyone else noticed how Treebeard resembles C. S. Lewis?
Iain
>
> Has anyone else noticed how Treebeard resembles C. S. Lewis?- Hide quoted text -
Has anyone else noticed how Darwin resembles Father Christmas?
--Iain
Kermit
> On Nov 23, 9:38 am, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 7:05 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 5:03 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 22, 8:47 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> > > > > > Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> > > > > > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> > > > > > has momentum.
>
> > > > > > The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> > > > > > and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
>
> > > > > > So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
> > > > > > knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
> > > > > > stranded.
>
> > > > > > Revelation 11:18
>
> > > > > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>
> > > > > conclusion to this eon.
>
>
> > > oh really..
>
> > > There is a real problem emanating from the east and west coasts in
> > > America today. You people desire to demonize the "bible thumpers";
> > > When in fact, you will be running to them on the last day asking how
> > > to save your sorry hides.
>
> > Actually, we know how to save our sorry hides. Stop producing so much
> > in the way of greenhouse gasses, and seriously stop having so many
> > babies. But because so many people are scientifically illiterate, they
> > think that the scientists are indulging in some big conspiracy
> > (because we all know how rich climatologists are) or that scientific
> > theories are "just somebody's opinion".
>
> > Because they don't understand reality, or worse, like you, deny it
> > altogether, we can't get enough folks on board. The solution (if we
> > all understood what is happening) is simple, but not easy.
>
> > I fear that population growth and pollution will be curtailed in any
> > event, but if we won't take steps now nature will take care of it for
> > us. It won't be pretty, and it won't be pleasant. And the religious
> > fundamentalists around the world will either be denying it or blaming
> > anyone but themselves.
>
> > > You do realize that even science confirms past eons, right? That there
> > > have been other periods on earth that have come to an end, right?
>
> > Dramatic changes in climate, yes.
>
> > > That
> > > other cultures have similar prophesy in their traditions that tell of
> > > the end of this and other eons right?
>
> > The details of which differ dramatically, with no dates, specific
> > predictions, or explanations.
>
> > Other cultures also have prophecies of wonderful times. They have
> > their bases covered, if you don't look too closely. Like, that is, at
> > all.
>
> > > That most of life ended with
> > > those eons, right? Just as your science says happened, right?
>
> > For sufficiently fuzzy descriptions, yes.
>
> > > The events for told in the bible describe the ending of this eon and
> > > the ushering in of a new one. Why is that so hard to believe since
> > > your own baby-step science confirms these types of events have
> > > happened in the past?
>
> > One more in a two thousand year history of end time prophecies.
>
> > > Only this time it is explained that man is the one that will cause
> > > this particular eon to come to an end. How? With a war that cumulates
> > > in the middle east.
>
> > Are you seriously suggesting that talk of war in the Near East
> > requires divine revelation?
>
> > > And guess what. The middle east is where we have
> > > seen much contention since the 1940's (as for told). And despite man's
> > > efforts and more then 60 years there still is no peace. We only see
> > > escalation every day.
>
> > > But for some unspeakable reason you folks think this eon coming to an
> > > end is not a real possibility.
>
> > Eh? Climatologists are warning of impending disaster, and want us to
> > take steps to ameliorate it. I fear that folks like you will not co-
> > operate.
>
> > > The only thing that is different about this eon ending that was not
> > > the same during the other eons ending is this: At the end of this eon
> > > it is for told that Jesus will return before all life ends.
>
> > Humans weren't around for previous "end of eons". We've only been here
> > for the blink of an eye in geological time.
>
> > > Let's hope that is true or will will all die.
>
> > No, not all humans will die. But civilization may collapse, resources
> > will become very inaccessible, many species will die off. The
> > ecosystem will be simplified, and much of the population will die off
> > painfully or violently.
>
> > > > If you think nothing can stop it, you won't make any effort to stop
> > > > it- indeed, many of you lunatics welcome it. And that impedes the rest
> > > > of the people of the world from even lessening the severity.
>
> > > You do not understand. It cannot be stopped. I wish it could. But it
> > > cannot. Why? Because many people such as yourself think it is not even
> > > real.
>
> > Scientists have been warning about this since they realized what was
> > going on. If you think it can't be stopped, and don't understand why
> > it's happening, you are part of the problem.
>
> > > We are just "bible thumpers". Bible thumpers are just telling
> > > lies.
>
> > Not always. Sometimes they are simply very ignorant or delusional.
>
> > > The fact is, This involves a process that you deny is real based on
> > > the bizarre fact that you cannot test for it;
>
> > WTF are you talking about? The science journals are filled with daily
> > papers on this subject. Everytime some data is gathered, the theories
> > are being tested.
>
> > > Even though you know
> > > that mankind's perceptions are limited to his abilities.
>
> > Yes. Especially when you depend on your imagination for "information".
> > Then you aren't perceiving anything at all.
>
> > > > The problem is that you'll be standing there with the rest of us, at
> > > > the end of the day, with water to your waist, and you'll be wailing
> > > > "But gawd was sposed to be here by now!"
>
> > > Maybe.
>
> > Or maybe you'll be saying "It's the scientists / elitists / liberals /
> > atheists fault! Not mine!"
>
> > > Or maybe the bible is right when it says some will be asking
> > > the mountains to fall on them and kill them, while others will not.
> > > Then it will be folks like you crying "Lord Lord!" help us". But as
> > > the bible claims He will say: you denied me, now I will deny you.
>
> > There have been quite a few atheists in foxholes. Good luck convincing
> > me that lying to myself will enable me to live longer.
>
> > > I for one choose to err on the side of caution and believe what the
> > > bible says.
>
> > Why not what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi says? Or the Ayatolla Kameini? Or
> > Madame Blavatsky?
>
> > > However, I do so for good reasons. Because we do indeed
> > > had prior confirmed eons that ended with must of life gone. It is also
> > > quite possible man can destroy himself over a war in the middle east.
>
> > That would never have occurred to anybody without God's Light shining
> > through his prophets.
>
> > <rolls eyes>
>
> > > Then, there are other texts in other cultures singing an almost
> > > identical tune. Finally, There are also confirmed prophesy that have
> > > come true despite those that shake their little rebellion fists and
> > > say: "No there is not".
>
> > Actually those tunes are very different, except the culturally related
> > ones.
>
> > > The most blatant one is in Revelation 11 where it says all nations,
> > > tribes and peoples on the earth will stare at the two dead bodies of
> > > God's witnesses for 3.5 days. He sends them as a final appeal to
> > > mankind. But mankind will kill them just as mankind has killed all of
> > > the other prophets including Jesus in the past.
>
> > > Everyone on earth being able to view 2 dead bodies at the same time in
> > > the streets of Jerusalem. But that was something which was not
> > > possible until the invention of satellite television. The news media's
> > > propensity for playing the same terrible news story over and over for
> > > days explains seeing the dead bodies for 3 days.
>
> > So, no actual evidence?
>
> > > > What makes you fools any different from the Millerites?
>
> > > Your lack of perception to tell the difference.
>
> > Ever figure out how to differentiate your special perceptions from
> > psychosis?
>
> > Thought not.
>
> > Kermit- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> warming instead.
>
> hahahah!!
>
> IOW you cannot see the forrest because of the cob webs in your own
> mind.
>
> How sad.
That fact that you believe anyone else would take your imagination
seriously (based on usenet posts!) is an indication of a serious
cognitive problem.
Kermit
Kermit
> On Nov 23, 9:12 am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 23 Nov, 01:47, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
> > effects of C02 on the Earth's atmostphere that everyone ignores.
>
> > > conclusion to this eon.
>
>
> Which has ALL the answers, right?
No, but it has many. The fact that science works drives you all crazy.
The fundies in my childhood church were cross-eyed mad every time the
subject was brought up. Wipe out any diseases lately?
Kermit
Kermit
> On Nov 23, 12:44 pm, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:38:22 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
> > <ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>
> > >On Nov 23, 9:12 am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 23 Nov, 01:47, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>
> > >> How true, after all there are whole passages in the Bible about the
> > >> effects of C02 on the Earth's atmostphere that everyone ignores.
>
> > >> > Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
> > >> > conclusion to this eon.
>
> > >> What is helping is the widespread ignorance of Science.
>
> > >Which has ALL the answers, right?
>
>
> Shall we start with medical mishaps,
Sure. Compare the number of lives saved in the last decade by modern
medicine compared to unintentional deaths. Show the numbers and
provide links.
> or should we go right to the good stuff like poisoning the air and the water.
That, too. Let's start with John Snow, and the cholera outbreak in
London in 1854:
http://www.winwaed.com/sci/cholera/john_snow.shtml
"In the 1850s, John Snow performed pioneering data analysis to prove
his hypothesis that cholera was spread in the drinking water. "
>
> yeah. Your science is \"right"/
>
> -----> / N O T \<------
Evidence?
Kermit
Kermit
wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:26:30 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
>
>
>
> <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:47:44 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
> > > <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> Revelation 11:18
>
> > > A past-tense "prophesy?" ROTFL!
>
> > > > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>
> > > There is very little prophesy in the Bible, and what it prophesied
> > > has turned out wrong.
>
> > > > Even the evo-freaks are playiing (sic) their tiny roll in bringing a
> > > > conclusion to this eon.
>
> > > Appears mental.
>
> Content restored.
>
> > If you had two brain cells they would not be large enough to rub
> > together and start a fire.
>
> Translation: you cannot point to any "prophesy" that has ever come
> true that was (1) written before an event and (2) wasn't an event
> that was obvious to everyone it would occur, and that fact makes
> you sad.
Actually, it makes him desperate. As his mind starts to read your
sentence, it will feel its imaginary heart pounding, and break out
into an imaginary sweat. It will rapidly cast its imaginary eyes
about, looking for imaginary exits. It will change the subject,
respond with an insult, misinterpret what you said (despite its
simplicity), then make a frantic break for it, while leaving behind a
provocative non sequitor like a lizard discarding its wiggling tail
for a predator.
> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Kermit
Kermit
[...]
Not jolly, robust, or dangerous enough. Dickens' Father Christmas, at
least, was a Bacchanalian soul.
Kermit
TomS
<d43da7fb-a7a3-475b...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Kermit
stated..."
>
>On Nov 23, 4:10=A0pm, Desertphile <desertph...@invalid-address.net>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:26:30 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
>>
>>
>>
>> <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:47:44 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
>> > > <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > > >> Revelation 11:18
>>
>> > > A past-tense "prophesy?" ROTFL!
>>
>> > > > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>>
>> > > There is very little prophesy in the Bible, and what it prophesied
>> > > has turned out wrong.
>>
>a
>> > > > conclusion to this eon.
>>
>> > > Appears mental.
>>
>> Content restored.
>>
>> > If you had two brain cells they would not be large enough to rub
>> > together and start a fire.
>>
>> Translation: you cannot point to any "prophesy" that has ever come
>> true that was (1) written before an event and (2) wasn't an event
>> that was obvious to everyone it would occur, and that fact makes
>> you sad.
>
>Actually, it makes him desperate. As his mind starts to read your
>sentence, it will feel its imaginary heart pounding, and break out
>into an imaginary sweat. It will rapidly cast its imaginary eyes
>about, looking for imaginary exits. It will change the subject,
>respond with an insult, misinterpret what you said (despite its
>simplicity), then make a frantic break for it, while leaving behind a
>provocative non sequitor like a lizard discarding its wiggling tail
>for a predator.
>
>>
>> --http://desertphile.org
>> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
>> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
>
>Kermit
>
If ASI would read the Bible ...
First of all, "prophecy" is not the same as "foretelling".
But, aside from that, there is the famous case of Jonah's prophecy
to Nineveh.
--
---Tom S.
the failure to nail currant jelly to a wall is not due to the nail; it is due to
the currant jelly.
Theodore Roosevelt, Letter to William Thayer, 1915 July 2
Mike Lyle
> On Nov 24, 1:49 pm, heekster <heeks...@ifiwxtc.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:19:24 -0800 (PST), Iain
>> <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 24, 11:09 am, Iain <iain_inks...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 23, 1:10 am, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria
>>>>> U.K. and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any
>>>>> 24 hours...
>>
>>>> Are they going to leave old Durham town?
Wrong saide, bonny lahd.
>>
>>>> First Cumbria, then the world.
>>
>>>> I saw a horse the other day, with two heads, and two bodies.
>>
>>> Has anyone else noticed how Cumbria looks like The Shire?
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/images/2007/02/20/cumbria2_470x3...
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed how Treebeard resembles C. S. Lewis?- Hide
>> quoted text -
>
> Has anyone else noticed how Darwin resembles Father Christmas?
>
And has anyone ever seen them both at the same time?
The Shire, of course, looks like most of rural England, which isn't a
coincidence.
--
Mike.
Desertphile
wrote:
> If ASI would read the Bible ...
>
> First of all, "prophecy" is not the same as "foretelling".
>
> But, aside from that, there is the famous case of Jonah's prophecy
> to Nineveh.
Yes, that prophesy failed. Nineveh was not destroyed until -612.
Everyone in the Known World made that "prophesy" at that time. The
Bible verson was made more than 60 years after the fact.
--
Desertphile
<iain_i...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 1:10 am, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> > Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
> >
> > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> > has momentum.
> >
> > The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> > and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours...
> Are they going to leave old Durham town?
That leaving's gonna get me down.
> First Cumbria, then the world.
> I saw a horse the other day, with two heads, and two bodies.
Naw, that was Oprah Winfree.
hersheyh
> On Nov 22, 7:10 pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> > Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> > has momentum.
>
> > The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> > since non-biblical records began.
>
> > So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
> > knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
> > stranded.
>
> > Revelation 11:18
>
>
> conclusion to this eon.
I thought it wasn't going to be a flood this time.
Dick C.
d8dd06...@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 23, 9:12�am, stew dean <stewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 23 Nov, 01:47, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Bible prophesy cannot be stopped.
>>
>> How true, after all there are whole passages in the Bible about the
>> effects of C02 on the Earth's atmostphere that everyone ignores.
>>
>> > Even the evo-freaks are playiing their tiny roll in bringing a
>> > conclusion to this eon.
>>
>> What is helping is the widespread ignorance of Science.
>
> Which has ALL the answers, right?
No, of course it doesn't. Science is the search for the answers. But
it has managed to find many answers, while your religion claims to have
all the answers, but has nothing worthwhile.
--
Dick #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Benjamin Franklin
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email: dic...@gmail.com
Iain
> If you had two brain cells they would not be large enough to rub
> together and start a fire.
This coming from the man who said -- and I believe this is verbatim...
" If the oceans have been pounding the land for millions of years, why
is there still land ?"
--Iain
spintronic
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:31:01 -0800 (PST), spintronic
>
> <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On 23 Nov, 14:06, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >.
> >.
> >> creationists are SSSOOOO stupid
>
> >I suppose you're so clever?
>
> compared to creationists, my poodles are einstein
What a shame, you are dumber than a poodle.
spintronic
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:10:56 -0800 (PST), spintronic
.
.
> > they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours
> > since non-biblical records began.
>
Ya, what was I thinking?
> > So much so, that bridges (*many*) that have stood for 150 years were
> > knocked down in a single night. Leaving large communities completely
> > stranded.
>
> That is not evidence for global climate change, silly.
Let me guess. "You have shares in shell"?
What would be enough evidence for you?
Don't bother. My guess = infinity.
spintronic
> On Nov 23, 3:21 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 3:09 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 2:58 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 23, 2:39 pm, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 23, 2:26 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > If you had two brain cells they would not be large enough to rub
> > > > > > together and start a fire.
>
> > > > > = Trilobite.
>
> > > > > Boikat
>
> > > > You remind me of that crazy lady in the movie "Misery"
>
> > > > The one that broke both of his feet.
>
> > > > [backs away slowly]
>
> > > Cognitive disonance. How unsurprising. What does your shrink have to
> > > say about that?
>
> > > Boikat- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> > You should seek help.-
>
> Why me? You're the one with the disorder, Mr. Cambrian Mammal =
> Trilobite..
>
> Boikat- Hide quoted text -
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Are you 'still' posting?
You sound (almost) as deranged as P.O.O-Head/A.K.A Y.O.O.
Do you *honestly* want to sound as crazy & deranged as someone whose
brain was;
"at best" a doughnut that caught parkinsons?
spintronic
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:55:22 -0800 (PST), spintronic
>
> <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Prophecy benefits everyone.
>
> That's great! So.... why is prophesy always wrong, or made after
> the fact? How does being wrong "benefit everyone?"
>
> --http://desertphile.org
> Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
> "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
You must have one in mind. Which?
spintronic
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:36:31 -0800 (PST), spintronic
>
>
>
>
>
> <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On 23 Nov, 15:15, "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk>
> >wrote:
> >> spintronic wrote:
> >.
> >.
.
.
> >> >>> Revelation 11:18- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > But it's not common in the U.K.
>
> >> That's right. And the Bible is quite specific in warning that the
> >> destruction was going to begin in Cumbria.
>
> >It didn't begin here, it's just been noticed here.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3EMk3m5iEA
>
> don't the mormons believe it's gonna happen in utah or some junk like
> that?
I have no idea what the moomins believe.
Let me guess, you are one?
> it's so hard keeping up with you 38,000 denominations who all say they
> have the truth-
Yes, moominism is such a splintered sect.
spintronic
> spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane
> > & CO2 from Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
> > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the
> > warming already has momentum.
.
> money.cnn.com
>
> 8 weird ways to save the Earth
<SNIP>
Nothing can save the earth, [nothing] (It's too late).
Nothing bar a plug hole on the inverse suction of mathane & CO2 about
to be released, and the complete annhilation of every carbon emmitter
on the planet.
It's already "checkmate", "tipped points", "dead ends", or any other
analogy you could dream up.
We are all screwed.
And there is *NO* way out.
spintronic
> On Nov 23, 1:10 am, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CO2 heats planet -> melts ice -> releases massive methane & CO2 from
> > Ice & ocean floor -> more warming.
>
> > Even if humans stopped now, it would be too late, the warming already
> > has momentum.
.
> > The reason i mentioned this is because I have family in Cumbria U.K.
> > and they just had the largest ever downpour of rain in any 24 hours...
>
> Are they going to leave old Durham town?
Leave it where? Where it is, safely across the pennines?
> First Cumbria, then the world.
How about;
"First the norm, then the seemingly abnorm, then the people who say
"isn't it a bit abnormal"?
then those retards who reply, "Don't be silly, it's always been this
"abnormal"".
Second the abnormal, then the definitely abnormal, then the retards
who say "isn't this abnormality normal"?
then the normal who reply, "Don't be silly, I don't ever remember it
being this abnormal".
Third the reality, then the definitely abnormality is a bit more than
an abnormally abnormal.
And the abnormal reply; "Are they going to leave old Durham town?" and
the normal reply,
"Is Durham especially abnormal, why would it normally be abnormally
left?"?
> I saw a horse the other day, with two heads, and two bodies.
At least we are getting to the root of your problems.
spintronic
.
> Has anyone else noticed how Darwin resembles Father Christmas?
I have noticed how peedos dress as FC as often as posible,
And how satan is an anagram of santa?
I guess Darwin must be in there somewhere.
spintronic
>
> --Iain- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don't. It hurts, to be away!
Devils Advocaat
If you are so sure that the planet and everything on it is screwed,
how about you and everyone who thinks the same way making room for
those who are willing to try and put things right?