Science or Religion ?
socratus
Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
So, what is Religion?
Religion is the poor man's philosophy.
Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy.
#
Cosmic cannibalising:
Images show one galaxy engulfing another
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images-show-one-galaxy-engulfing-another-1780652.html
#
The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Another
http://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-attacking-another.html
. . .. etc
So, what is Physics?
Physics is the poor man's philosophy.
== .
What to do?
I think we must answer to the simple classic question:
what did come first the chicken or the egg ?
If somebody didn’t understand this question, I will ask it simpler:
What was before Vacuum or Gravity ?
Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa?
Why I ask these questions.
Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured,
there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity.
=== .
Israel Socratus.
Erwin Moller
> Science or Religion ?
> Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
> That is the truth.
> So, what is Religion?
> Religion is the poor man's philosophy.
Agree.
>
> Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
> That is the truth.
> For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy.
> #
> Cosmic cannibalising:
> Images show one galaxy engulfing another
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images-show-one-galaxy-engulfing-another-1780652.html
> #
> The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Another
> http://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-attacking-another.html
> . . .. etc
> So, what is Physics?
> Physics is the poor man's philosophy.
???
What part of the above observations is incorrect?
I think you are confused.
Modern philosophy almost equals scientific method these days.
All earlier other philosophies were hard to use, built around
phantasies, etc.
Good philosophy tries to be in touch with reality.
And physics is all about scientific method.
Conclusion: A worthy philosopher that ignores modern physics is worth as
much as your avarage religion: nothing.
> == .
> What to do?
What to do?
Read my text above again.
> I think we must answer to the simple classic question:
> what did come first the chicken or the egg ?
> If somebody didn’t understand this question, I will ask it simpler:
> What was before Vacuum or Gravity ?
> Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa?
> Why I ask these questions.
> Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured,
> there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity.
........
I am out of words. Such wisdom.
Be sure to post this great insight to Nature soon.
Erwin Moller
> === .
> Israel Socratus.
>
--
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other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
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VoiceOfReason
Kermit
> Science or Religion ?
> Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
> That is the truth.
Fables can hide truth, and there may be more to religion that fables.
I am not sure it is safe - religion leads people to silly ideas and
behavior - but it has value of other kinds.
> So, what is Religion?
> Religion is the poor man's philosophy.
OK. Does this make philosophy the rich man's religion?
>
> Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
No.
> That is the truth.
Short refutation: GPS devices, nuclear power, Hubble Space Telescope.
> For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy.
> #
> Cosmic cannibalising:
> Images show one galaxy engulfing anotherhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images...
> #
> The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Anotherhttp://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-a...
> . . .. etc
Yes. Do you understand that "Eating" is a metaphor?
> So, what is Physics?
> Physics is the poor man's philosophy.
No, it is a field of science that requires years of study to become
minimally competent in. It is also a padded cell for holding lunatics
or fools who think they know science better than scientists.
> == .
> What to do?
> I think we must answer to the simple classic question:
> what did come first the chicken or the egg ?
> If somebody didn’t understand this question, I will ask it simpler:
> What was before Vacuum or Gravity ?
For standard meanings of "before", nothing.
> Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa?
Yes.
> Why I ask these questions.
> Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured,
> there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity.
No.
> === .
> Israel Socratus.
Yes, we know you don't understand science in general, or physics in
particular. Since this newsgroup tends to focus on evolution, why
don't you post a demonstration of how badly you misunderstand *that?
Kermit
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Science or Religion ?
Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
So, what is Religion?
Religion is the poor man's philosophy.
******* only by a wild, and delusional, stretch of the imagination.
*******Philosophy, though far from an exact science, is still based in
reality.
******Religion is only based in fantasyland.
Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
****** No; it isn't.
For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy.
Bull!
Galaxies JOIN; they do not "eat each other".
#
Cosmic cannibalising:
Images show one galaxy engulfing another
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images-show-one-galaxy-engulfing-another-1780652.html
#
The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Another
http://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-attacking-another.html
. . .. etc
So, what is Physics?
Physics is the poor man's philosophy.
Crap piled on top of crap!
== .
What to do?
I think we must answer to the simple classic question:
what did come first the chicken or the egg ?
If somebody didn�t understand this question, I will ask it simpler:
What was before Vacuum or Gravity ?
Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa?
Why I ask these questions.
Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured,
there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity.
Your knowlegdge of reality is severely limited.
=== .
Israel Socratus.
socratus
Some more ‘ true’ Physical fables and fantasies.
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1.
The Big Bang.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter
(all elementary particles and all quarks and their
girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks, all kinds of
waves: electromagnetic, gravitational, muons…
gluons field ….. etc.) – was assembled in a ‘single point ‘
=== .
I don’t agree with the ‘big bang’ theory because nobody
knows how the ‘ big bang’ can change into ‘single point ‘
if Hawking’s radiation from ‘ black hole’ doesn’t give it
to happen.
2.
Most of elementary particles were got in artificial way,
using accelerators. This way, in my opinion, is mistaken.
=== .
In the Ancient Egypt people believed in many gods with
human body and animal’s head. They thought they really
existed. For me these new discovered elementary artificial
particles are similar to Egyptian’s gods because we cannot
meet them into any atom, in any physical, chemical, biological
processes on our Earth.
In the Ancient Greek the people believed that sphinxes and
centaurs really exist. Maybe now some geneticists can create
a centaur, but it will be Devil’s work. I am sorry to tell that,
but it seems to me, physicists, creating such elementary
artificial particles look like those ‘some geneticists’.
( The mad CERN’s way.
http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/astronomy/13338/The-mad-CERN-s-project
).
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3.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, there was ‘ bin bang’.
And every particle appears with its own spin as derivative from
the Big Bang.
== .
I think the spin of quantum particle doesn’t come from
big bang, but it comes with ‘ virtual particle from Dirac’s sea’.
Why?
We have the real particle – electron. Nobody doubts
it is a real particle. But a strange thing happens when it
interacts with Vacuum. All its physical parameters become
infinite. Why? Is it possible? What is the reason?
#
The conditions of the ocean permitted to create different kinds
of fish. The terrestrial’s conditions permitted to create different
kinds of animals. And the ‘mixed’ conditions of water, earth
and air on Earth permitted to create, for example, birds, which
live and act in these three conditions.
And if we take Universe as a whole, it is Two- Measured:
close by Material ( Gravity) World exists Infinite Vacuum World.
The conditions in these two Worlds are different.
And when electron moves from Material (Gravity) World to the
Infinite Vacuum World its physical parameters changes.
" The law of conservation and transformation energy / mass"
is connected with electron’s transformation.
We know the electron is very important particle in our live.
It acts in Maxwell’s electrodynamics.
It acts in the atom.
But how electron acts in cell and in Outer space we don’t know.
We need time to understand this fact.
=== .
P.S.
Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything.
/ Somebody./
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Another ‘ true’ Physical fables and fantasies:
The time that stretches and space that expands,
dark matter, dark energy, Higgs boson, quarks, gluons
and tachyons, axions and partons, qravitino , . . etc.
========== .
P.S.
"One thing I have learned in a long life:
that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive
and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have."
/ Einstein./
This quote is correct, because, at last, only Physics can
logically explain us the Ultimate Nature of Reality.
==========.
Erwin Moller
>
> Some more ‘ true’ Physical fables and fantasies.
Your versions that is...
> === .
> 1.
> The Big Bang.
> Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter
> (all elementary particles and all quarks and their
> girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks, all kinds of
> waves: electromagnetic, gravitational, muons…
> gluons field ….. etc.) – was assembled in a ‘single point ‘
If you want to make the slightest impression at least use correct numbers.
According to modern cosmololy the age of the universe is NOT 20 billion
years, but 13.5 - 14.0 billion years.
> === .
> I don’t agree with the ‘big bang’ theory because nobody
> knows how the ‘ big bang’ can change into ‘single point ‘
> if Hawking’s radiation from ‘ black hole’ doesn’t give it
> to happen.
Maybe you should adjust you opinion to reflect what modern science says
these days.
There is no concept of a 'black hole' that was the big bang.
Space and time itself were formed during this process, so looking at it
as if it is a black hole floating in empty space is incorrect.
Jeez man, I am an amateur at this, and even I know such things.
Why do you post your opinion on such complex subjects when you can spent
your time much better by reading up a little on modern cosmology?
MANY good books exist.
Many great websites exist.
Just get yourself informed.
And a last note: Don't think you can think up arguments in your armchair
that were missed somehow by cosmologists.
The finest minds of humankind are working on the subject.
So restrain yourself a little and don't be arrogant.
> 2.
> Most of elementary particles were got in artificial way,
> using accelerators. This way, in my opinion, is mistaken.
Why?
> === .
> In the Ancient Egypt people believed in many gods with
> human body and animal’s head. They thought they really
> existed. For me these new discovered elementary artificial
> particles are similar to Egyptian’s gods because we cannot
> meet them into any atom, in any physical, chemical, biological
> processes on our Earth.
Apparantly we can. --> Cern, LHC to name a place.
The mere fact that they are not be found at lower energies doesn't make
them less interesting.
> In the Ancient Greek the people believed that sphinxes and
> centaurs really exist. Maybe now some geneticists can create
> a centaur, but it will be Devil’s work. I am sorry to tell that,
> but it seems to me, physicists, creating such elementary
> artificial particles look like those ‘some geneticists’.
> ( The mad CERN’s way.
> http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/astronomy/13338/The-mad-CERN-s-project
> ).
So you saw a few frightening horrormovies with genetically engineered
monstors?
And so now we should stop researching elementary particles?
That statement could use a little more explaining...
> =========== .
> 3.
> Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, there was ‘ bin bang’.
> And every particle appears with its own spin as derivative from
> the Big Bang.
What do you mean by "as derivate from the big bang"?
And it wasn't 20 billion years ago.
> == .
> I think the spin of quantum particle doesn’t come from
> big bang, but it comes with ‘ virtual particle from Dirac’s sea’.
What is a 'quantum particle'?
We have particles and we have quantum mechanics.
I am not sure what a quantum particle is...
> Why?
> We have the real particle – electron. Nobody doubts
> it is a real particle. But a strange thing happens when it
> interacts with Vacuum. All its physical parameters become
> infinite. Why? Is it possible? What is the reason?
I fear you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.
"All its physical parameters become infinite"??????
WTF are you talking about?
> #
> The conditions of the ocean permitted to create different kinds
> of fish. The terrestrial’s conditions permitted to create different
> kinds of animals. And the ‘mixed’ conditions of water, earth
> and air on Earth permitted to create, for example, birds, which
> live and act in these three conditions.
Erm.... how does this relate to your pettheories?
> And if we take Universe as a whole, it is Two- Measured:
> close by Material ( Gravity) World exists Infinite Vacuum World.
.......
??????
Why don't you start 101 physics before theorizing/phantasizing?
> The conditions in these two Worlds are different.
> And when electron moves from Material (Gravity) World to the
> Infinite Vacuum World its physical parameters changes.
> " The law of conservation and transformation energy / mass"
> is connected with electron’s transformation.
>
> We know the electron is very important particle in our live.
> It acts in Maxwell’s electrodynamics.
> It acts in the atom.
> But how electron acts in cell and in Outer space we don’t know.
> We need time to understand this fact.
> === .
> P.S.
> Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything.
> / Somebody./
Is sci.physics moderated?
If not, try there again.
> ==== .
> Another ‘ true’ Physical fables and fantasies:
> The time that stretches and space that expands,
> dark matter, dark energy, Higgs boson, quarks, gluons
> and tachyons, axions and partons, qravitino , . . etc.
> ========== .
Nutcase: both dark energy and dark matter are hypothesis, not settled
science.
> P.S.
> "One thing I have learned in a long life:
> that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive
> and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have."
> / Einstein./
Yeah sure, you and Einstein. Two minds alike. ;-)
> This quote is correct, because, at last, only Physics can
> logically explain us the Ultimate Nature of Reality.
> ==========.
>
I never stop to wonder why so many people make up bullshit opinions
about modern science without bothering to understand it first.
Why is it smart people (stupid don't stand a chance of finishing) need
many years of heavy studying before they can even start to help with
this subject?
Do you think every idiot can just join the discussion concerning the
physics during the big bang?
If you have something to contribute, use the regular channels for that:
publications in sciencepapers.
Good luck.
Erwin Moller