Karls Dinosaur Cave Paintings...where are they Karl???
Ty Shrake
You put your foot in your mouth, now it's time to start chewing.
You claimed in another thread that...
1. Man and dinosaurs coexisted (and no Karl, not birds, I'm talking
T. Rex, etc...)
2. There are cave paintings showing dinosaurs in the depictions.
First question: What physical evidence do you know of that is
agreed upon by the scientific community to show conclusively that human
beings and dinosaurs coexisted? Please show me one single credible
scietific publication that both makes and substantiates this claim to
the satisfaction of peer review. Please tell me exactly where this
publication is so I can read it for myself, if there even is such a
publication. And further, if no such publication exists then what do
you have to substantiate your claim.
Second question: Where are these paintings, Karl. Who studied
them? You were already asked this once before in the thread where you
made these claims and you never answered the question. Do the people
that studied them claim they are dinos or is it just your
interpretation? Is there a paper I can read? Time to put up or shut
up.
You made the claims Karl, now back them up. 8
Ty Shrake
Steve Sondericker
jewish/capitalist/communist/evolutionist/cigarette-smoking-man
conspiracy. Now, if there's a painting of an Irish elk or something
rendered in PURPLE, maybe Karl has a point.
Andrew MacRae
writes:
My *guess* about his source, which Karl can either confirm or
deny, is:
http://www.access.digex.net/~medved/supai.html
It is some of Ted Holden's material.
| You made the claims Karl, now back them up. 8
-Andrew
mac...@agc.bio._NOSPAM_.ns.ca
Landis D. Ragon
Ah, yes... First time I saw that picture on Ted's web page, I figured
that it was a mistakenly identified petroglyph of a scorpion.
(right claw arm is at upper left, left claw is lower left, and tail is
lower right. Large dark middle section is scorpion carapace.)
> It is some of Ted Holden's material.
>
>| You made the claims Karl, now back them up. 8
>
> -Andrew
> mac...@agc.bio._NOSPAM_.ns.ca
>
Landis D. Ragon
Chief Elf in the toy factory...
efo...@lib.drury.edu
>
> | You made the claims Karl, now back them up. 8
I think the original story is to be found in "Arizona Highways" - E.T.
Scoyen (who was Chief ranger of Grand Canyon National Park at the time
of the expedition and who was in the party) July 1951. The account is
slighty different from what is said on this site.
The author of the site says:
"In October and November 1924, a scientific expedition led by Samuel
Hubbard, curator of archaeology at the Oakland Museum, Charles W
Gilmore, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the United States
National Museum (...)One notes immediately that the people involved in
this expedition have serious credentials."
Here is what is said in Arizona Highways:
"...the Doheny Scientific expedition left Los Angeles for the Grand
Canyon. Its personnel included Mr Hubbard, Director; R.L. Carson,
photographer; J.F. Roop, sculptor; and Fred V. Shaw, listed as an
assistant. Arriving at the South Rim, a few complications were
encountered. Among other things, the expedition had no professional
standing despite its imposing name. None of the expedition members was a
recognized scientist in any field (...)However, a permit finally was
granted, but only after Dr. C. W. Gilmore, Curator of Vertebrate
Paleontology of the U.S. National Museum, was added to the party."
Hubbard was not curator at the time of the expedition, he will become
later Honorary Curator of Archeologie of the Oakland Museum.
One goal of Hubbard was to prove that giants once lived in the canyon.
He actively looked for them (or at least their remains) but didn't find
anything.
Regards
Emmanuelle
efo...@lib.drury.edu
The picture in the magazine shows other pictographs around the
"dinosaurs", most of them don't seem to be representational
Regards
Emmanuelle
Ty Shrake
As I suspected he would, Karl has chickened out from answering these
questions...
Ty Shrake
Ty Shrake wrote:
> OK Karl,
>
> You put your foot in your mouth, now it's time to start chewing.
> You claimed in another thread that...
>
> 1. Man and dinosaurs coexisted (and no Karl, not birds, I'm talking
> T. Rex, etc...)
>
> 2. There are cave paintings showing dinosaurs in the depictions.
>
> First question: What physical evidence do you know of that is
> agreed upon by the scientific community to show conclusively that human
> beings and dinosaurs coexisted? Please show me one single credible
> scietific publication that both makes and substantiates this claim to
> the satisfaction of peer review. Please tell me exactly where this
> publication is so I can read it for myself, if there even is such a
> publication. And further, if no such publication exists then what do
> you have to substantiate your claim.
>
> Second question: Where are these paintings, Karl. Who studied
> them? You were already asked this once before in the thread where you
> made these claims and you never answered the question. Do the people
> that studied them claim they are dinos or is it just your
> interpretation? Is there a paper I can read? Time to put up or shut
> up.
>
> You made the claims Karl, now back them up. 8
>
> Ty Shrake
Lenny Flank
> OK Karl,
>
> You put your foot in your mouth
No surprise there. ;>
,
>You claimed in another thread that...
>
> 1. Man and dinosaurs coexisted (and no Karl, not birds, I'm talking
>T. Rex, etc...)
>
> 2. There are cave paintings showing dinosaurs in the depictions.
>
>
>
> You made the claims Karl, now back them up. 8
>
>
Be prepared for a long wait. about a year ago, I asked Karl to tell
me why sea turtles are found at the TOP of the geological column
despite the fact that every one of his silly flood geology precepts
would predict they should be found at the BOTTOM (they live in the
open sea and should have been engulfed first by the rising Flood
waters, they are heavy and dense and sink like rocks when they die,
and they can barely crawl on land and so aren't as mobile as birds and
mammals). I still haven't gotten a response from him and I don't
really expect any . . .
Karl, are you listening? Didja think I forgot about it or something?
any time you have an answer to give, I'm all ears . . . .
And if any of the other cretinists out there care to take a stab at
it, by all means please feel free.
=====================================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Check out my herp photos:
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2421
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437
Ty Shrake
I'm still waiting... Karl, like most creationists, can't give a
straight answer to a sraight question. They are intellectually bankrupt.
......Ty
Boikat
Ty Shrake <tsh...@intrex.net> wrote in article
<360AE088...@intrex.net>...
> Lenny Flank wrote:
> >
> > On 27 Jul 1998 15:20:40 -0400, Ty Shrake <tsh...@intrex.net> wrote:
> >
> > > OK Karl,
> > >
> > > You put your foot in your mouth
> >
> > No surprise there. ;>
> >
> > ,
> >
> > >You claimed in another thread that...
> > >
> > > 1. Man and dinosaurs coexisted (and no Karl, not birds, I'm
talking
> > >T. Rex, etc...)
> > >
> > > 2. There are cave paintings showing dinosaurs in the depictions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You made the claims Karl, now back them up. 8
Hmmmm... When did karl make this claim? By coincidence, a fellow I work
with (A suspected YEC) mentioned this a few days ago. He didn't remember
the specifics (like the name or the location of the cave, someplace in
Chile, IIRC) that contained paintings of humans riding Triceratops, and the
fellow in the article made mention that that the skin texture (Apperently a
very detailed cave painting!) of the Triceratops matched some fossil
Triceratops skin found a few years ago.
As usual, there are questions:
Has any Triceratops skin been found? I hadn't heard of any, and I've asked
around. Did I miss something?
How were the cave paintings dated?
Maybe there was a fan of "Turok, Son of Stone" in the area?
and of course, "Where are the pictures"?
Is this something new from Cemo and Thompson?
--
Boikat
#2 Loudmouth
Ty Shrake
Karl made this claim in a long lost thread about 3-4 months ago.
His remark was part of a larger dissertation he was giving if I recall
correctly. I searched Deja News but it never popped up. But he
distinctly made the claim (and hence I went to the bother of starting a
new thread about it.)
Karl knows he made the claim. But Karl is a coward and, as usual,
can't respond to a simple and direct question that requires he back up
his claim. He fears scrutiny, but he is terrified of facts...
....Ty
Donald Stierman
>
> Karl made this claim in a long lost thread about 3-4 months ago.
>His remark was part of a larger dissertation he was giving if I recall
>correctly. I searched Deja News but it never popped up. But he
>distinctly made the claim (and hence I went to the bother of starting a
>new thread about it.)
> Karl knows he made the claim. But Karl is a coward and, as usual,
>can't respond to a simple and direct question that requires he back up
>his claim. He fears scrutiny, but he is terrified of facts...
He's probably taking an art class and looking for a previously unexplored cave
(not many of those left any more). ;-)
just a wild guess -
> ....Ty
>