*** Post of the Month for September 2005: Vote Now! ***

Adam Marczyk

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Oct 10, 2006, 12:07:10 AM10/10/06

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Hello all,

There are five nominees this month:

Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
irreducibly complex systems:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Inez on the annoyance of false claims of reasonableness:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/f958429e8e8b1160?dmode=source
news:1157463993.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Perplexed in Peoria on the various schools of thought on abiogenesis:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d2af4b3214d77334?dmode=source
news:XjNLg.2119$MF1...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net

Kermit on non-randomness and design:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/619b0cd46723f55d?dmode=source
news:1159111864.9...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com

Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects
of changing radioactive decay rates:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmode=source
news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmode=source
news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142

As always, voting may be by e-mail or newsgroup post and will continue
for one week.

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Adam Marczyk

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Oct 10, 2006, 12:15:40 AM10/10/06

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That should, of course, be 2006...

Ken Shackleton

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Oct 10, 2006, 1:36:01 AM10/10/06

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On Oct 9, 10:07 pm, Adam Marczyk <ebonm...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> There are five nominees this month:
>
> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce

> irreducibly complex systems:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmod...news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>
> Inez on the annoyance of false claims of reasonableness:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/f958429e8e8b1160?dmod...news:1157463993.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
>
> Perplexed in Peoria on the various schools of thought on abiogenesis:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d2af4b3214d77334?dmod...news:XjNLg.2119$MF1...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net
>
> Kermit on non-randomness and design:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/619b0cd46723f55d?dmod...news:1159111864.9...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com

>
> Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects

> of changing radioactive decay rates:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmod...news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.nethttp://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmod...news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142

>
> As always, voting may be by e-mail or newsgroup post and will continue
> for one week.

Sorry about the first reply....it's late...

All excellent...however...the green guy [Kermit] gets my vote.

Ken

Ken Shackleton

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Oct 10, 2006, 1:34:32 AM10/10/06

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On Oct 9, 10:07 pm, Adam Marczyk <ebonm...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> There are five nominees this month:
>
> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce

> irreducibly complex systems:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmod...news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>
> Inez on the annoyance of false claims of reasonableness:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/f958429e8e8b1160?dmod...news:1157463993.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
>
> Perplexed in Peoria on the various schools of thought on abiogenesis:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d2af4b3214d77334?dmod...news:XjNLg.2119$MF1...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net
>
> Kermit on non-randomness and design:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/619b0cd46723f55d?dmod...news:1159111864.9...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com

>
> Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects

> of changing radioactive decay rates:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmod...news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.nethttp://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmod...news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142

Mike Dworetsky

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Oct 10, 2006, 2:48:37 AM10/10/06

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My choices for 2006 September:

This was really good, thanks to Chris for locating this and describing it so
clearly.

> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
> irreducibly complex systems:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
> news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>

This pair of posts below makes an excellent runner-up. If possible I'd like
to see both Chris's and the pair below on the POTM pages.

> Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects
> of changing radioactive decay rates:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmode=source
> news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net
>
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmode=source
> news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142
>

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Ye Old One

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Oct 10, 2006, 4:51:23 AM10/10/06

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:07:10 GMT, Adam Marczyk
<ebon...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

>Perplexed in Peoria on the various schools of thought on abiogenesis:
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d2af4b3214d77334?dmode=source
>news:XjNLg.2119$MF1...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net

This one please.

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Søren K

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Oct 10, 2006, 5:13:21 AM10/10/06

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Wakboth

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Oct 10, 2006, 5:33:12 AM10/10/06

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Adam Marczyk kirjoitti:

> Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects
> of changing radioactive decay rates:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmode=source
> news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmode=source
> news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142

My vote is on this one.

-- Wakboth

Gerry Murphy

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Oct 10, 2006, 5:38:44 AM10/10/06

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"Adam Marczyk" <ebon...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello all,
>
> There are five nominees this month:
>

This one

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Dana Tweedy

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Oct 10, 2006, 3:53:18 PM10/10/06

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"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Adam Marczyk wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> There are five nominees this month:
>>
>> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
>> irreducibly complex systems:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
>> news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>>
>

> Chris, like all Darwinists is horribly confused or horribly dishonest
> or an object of God's wrath.
>
> IF IC exists then Darwinian evolution is falsified.

Ray, as has been pointed out, that's not true. You know this, why do you
persist in making claims you know are false?

> The post above
> simply asserts "evolution-did-it" while ignoring the definition of IC -
> a definition that defies incremental step by step evolution.

IC does not "defy" incremental evoluiton. One thing you keep forgetting
Ray is that evolution does not reqire that every step be an 'improvement'.
Steps can remove functions as well as add them. Systems can change their
function.

>
> "Black Box" proved the existence of IC systems and falsified the main
> claim of Darwin's theory (stepping stone evolution).

Which is simply not true, for the reasons stated above.

> In response,
> Darwinists do one of two things: deny the existence of IC, or evade the
> ramifications of IC like Chris did and assert "evolution-did-it". IC
> systems falsify stepping-stone evolution. You cannot have it both ways.

Why not, Ray? Why can't a "step" change the function? Why can't it remove
functions as well as add them?

>
> Why do Darwinists evade and misrepresent the crystal clear of evidence
> of IC ?

Why do you think they do? You are begging the question Ray.

>
> Could we ever expect atheists to do anything else ?

Yes, one could expect them to do anything else. Also, what evidence do you
have that all scientists are atheist?

>
> "Darwinism is a penalty from God for denying Him the credit and status
> of Creator" (Dr. Gene Scott, 2001).

Just another thing that Scott was wrong about.

>
> Lunatic posts like Chris Stuart's prove that Dr. Scott is absolutely
> correct.

How, exactly?

> There is no other explanation since the evidence of IC is so
> clear and damning against ToE.

or, maybe you are wrong. Have you ever considered that option?

DJT

Mark Isaak

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Oct 10, 2006, 3:55:52 PM10/10/06

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My vote here:

> Perplexed in Peoria on the various schools of thought on abiogenesis:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d2af4b3214d77334?dmode=source
> news:XjNLg.2119$MF1...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net

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catshark

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Oct 10, 2006, 8:07:04 PM10/10/06

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:07:10 GMT, Adam Marczyk

<ebon...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:

Most definitely this one, UNLESS Chris would be willing to expand it into a
full article for the Archives. As it stands now, there only appears to be
a brief mention of Muller's contention (and a link to his original article)
in the Index of Creationist Claims. As helpful as that may be, this is a
very effective demonstration of the difference between science and Behe's
prattle and should have a more complete explanation in the Archives.

>Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
>irreducibly complex systems:
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
>news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

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Jon Fleming

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Oct 10, 2006, 8:49:01 PM10/10/06

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:07:10 GMT, Adam Marczyk
<ebon...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:

\
This one please:

>Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects
>of changing radioactive decay rates:
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmode=source
>news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmode=source
>news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142

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David Holland

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Oct 10, 2006, 9:15:24 PM10/10/06

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This one gets my vote.

Friar Broccoli

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Oct 10, 2006, 9:47:29 PM10/10/06

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For me it is a coin toss between:

> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
> irreducibly complex systems:

> Perplexed in Peoria on the various schools of thought on abiogenesis:

but I'm going to go with Perplexed's abiogenesis article because I
learned
more.

chris.li...@gmail.com

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Oct 10, 2006, 10:52:47 PM10/10/06

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Adam Marczyk wrote:
> Hello all,
>

Hi Adam.

> There are five nominees this month:
>

First runner up:

> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
> irreducibly complex systems:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
> news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>

I stand by the posts I nominated. Great job guys.

> Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects
> of changing radioactive decay rates:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmode=source
> news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmode=source
> news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142
>
> As always, voting may be by e-mail or newsgroup post and will continue
> for one week.

Can we vote by email AND newsgroup post?

Chris

Lee Jay

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Oct 10, 2006, 11:02:48 PM10/10/06

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Adam Marczyk wrote:
> Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects
> of changing radioactive decay rates:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmode=source
> news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmode=source
> news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142

That one for my vote.

Lee Jay

John Wilkins

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Oct 10, 2006, 11:39:05 PM10/10/06

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catshark <cats...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:07:10 GMT, Adam Marczyk
> <ebon...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Most definitely this one, UNLESS Chris would be willing to expand it into a
> full article for the Archives. As it stands now, there only appears to be
> a brief mention of Muller's contention (and a link to his original article)
> in the Index of Creationist Claims. As helpful as that may be, this is a
> very effective demonstration of the difference between science and Behe's
> prattle and should have a more complete explanation in the Archives.
>
> >Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
> >irreducibly complex systems:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
> >news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Ditto
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Tedd Jacobs

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Oct 11, 2006, 1:22:41 AM10/11/06

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"Ray Martinez" wrote...

<snip>

> Why do Darwinists evade and misrepresent the crystal clear of evidence
> of IC ?
>

> Could we ever expect atheists to do anything else ?

why does one have to be an atheist to be a darwinist?

[...]

Frank J

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Oct 11, 2006, 7:16:32 PM10/11/06

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Adam Marczyk wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> There are five nominees this month:

For POTM:

>
> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
> irreducibly complex systems:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
> news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Close 2nd:

> Kermit on non-randomness and design:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/619b0cd46723f55d?dmode=source
> news:1159111864.9...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com

If there's a "quote of the month" category, I'd nominate:

>
> Inez on the annoyance of false claims of reasonableness:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/f958429e8e8b1160?dmode=source
> news:1157463993.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
>

(snip)

Tuokku

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Oct 13, 2006, 1:52:55 AM10/13/06

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Me likey this one:

> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
> irreducibly complex systems:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
> news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

-Tuokku

ErikW

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Oct 13, 2006, 4:51:53 AM10/13/06

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Adam Marczyk wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> There are five nominees this month:

Chris Ho-Stuart gets my vote:

>
> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
> irreducibly complex systems:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
> news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

ErikW

Noelie S. Alito

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Oct 15, 2006, 12:52:05 PM10/15/06

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Adam Marczyk wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> There are five nominees this month:

Damn damn damn damn damn!

Ok...this one:

Perplexed in Peoria

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"Adam Marczyk" <ebon...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:O%EWg.2675$Ka1...@news01.roc.ny...

All good, and thanks to the people who voted for mine.
But this one is best:

June

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Oct 16, 2006, 9:57:15 AM10/16/06

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Adam Marczyk <ebon...@DELETETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> There are five nominees this month:

I agree with catshark that it would be great if Chris would expand this
into an article for the archive. This is certainly new information to me
& is really helpful in answoring the ID crowd. If he can't, then this is
my first vote.

>
> Chris Ho-Stuart on a scientific prediction that evolution would produce
> irreducibly complex systems:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/807feaa06a8d3541?dmode=source
> news:1158845586....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>

This is my vote for post, if Chris doesn't make the above an article.

>
> Jim Willemin and Timberwoof (in a rare double nomination) on the effects
> of changing radioactive decay rates:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/432005cbdc86f516?dmode=source
> news:timberwoof.spam-11...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/059f0011a4343801?dmode=source
> news:Xns9833532591FBFji...@216.196.97.142

But it was a close tie with this one, so this is my third runner-up.

> Perplexed in Peoria on the various schools of thought on abiogenesis:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/d2af4b3214d77334?dmode=source
> news:XjNLg.2119$MF1...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net
>

Gah! Does it seem like I'm having trouble making a decision this month?
All of the nominations were good. Nice job everyone.

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