Stay tuned. Stay stupid.
(David P.)
>>David P. <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>The world will be a furious battlefield over
>>water in just a moment, sonny boy.
>>Stay tuned.
>
>Stay stupid.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/us/04drought.html
An Arid West No Longer Waits for Rain
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD and KIRK JOHNSON
Published: April 4, 2007
A Western drought that began in 1999 has continued
after the respite of a couple of wet years that now feel
like a cruel tease. But this time people in the driest
states are not just scanning the skies and hoping for
rescue.
In Spring Valley, Nev., a proposed pipeline would carry
groundwater from this northern ranching region to serve
Las Vegas's growing population.
Some $2.5 billion in water projects are planned or under
way in four states, the biggest expansion in the West's
quest for water in decades. Among them is a proposed
280-mile pipeline that would direct water to Las Vegas
from northern Nevada. A proposed reservoir just north
of the California-Mexico border would correct an
inefficient water delivery system that allows excess
water to pass to Mexico.
In Yuma, Ariz., federal officials have restarted an idled
desalination plant, long seen as a white elephant from
a bygone era, partly in the hope of purifying salty under-
ground water for neighboring towns.
The scramble for water is driven by the realities of
population growth, political pressure and the hard truth
that the Colorado River, a 1,400-mile-long silver thread
of snowmelt and a lifeline for more than 20 million people
in seven states, is providing much less water than it had.
According to some long-term projections, the mountain
snows that feed the Colorado River will melt faster and
evaporate in greater amounts with rising global temper-
atures, providing stress to the waterway even without
drought. This year, the spring runoff is expected to be
about half its long-term average. In only one year of the
last seven, 2005, has the runoff been above average.
Everywhere in the West, along the Colorado and other
rivers, as officials search for water to fill current and
future needs, tempers are flaring among competing
water users, old rivalries are hardening and some
states are waging legal fights.
In one of the most acrimonious disputes, Montana filed
a suit in February at the United States Supreme Court
accusing Wyoming of taking more than its fair share of
water from the Tongue and Powder Rivers, north-
flowing tributaries of the Yellowstone River that supply
water for farms and wells in both states.
Preparing for worst-case outcomes, the seven states
that draw water from the Colorado River - Colorado,
Wyoming, Utah and New Mexico in the upper basin
and California, Arizona and Nevada in the lower basin
- and the United States Bureau of Reclamation, which
manages the river, are considering plans that lay out
what to do if the river cannot meet the demand for water,
a prospect that some experts predict will occur in about
five years.
"What you are hearing about global warming, explosive
growth - combine with a real push to set aside extra
water for environmental purpose - means you got a
perfect situation for a major tug-of-war contest," said
Sid Wilson, the general manager of the Central Arizona
Project, which brings Colorado River water to the
Phoenix area.
New scientific evidence suggests that periodic long,
severe droughts have become the norm in the Colorado
River basin, undermining calculations of how much water
the river can be expected to provide and intensifying
pressures to find new solutions or sources.
The effects of the drought can be seen at Lake Mead in
Nevada, where a drop in the water level left docks
hanging from newly formed cliffs, and a marina
surrounded by dry land. Upriver at Lake Powell, which
is at its lowest level since spring 1973, receding waters
have exposed miles of mud in the side canyons leading
to the Glen Canyon Dam.
In California, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has sounded
alarm bells by pushing for a ballot measure in 2008 that
would allocate $4.5 billion in bonds for new water
storage in the state. The water content in the Sierra
Nevada snowpack has reached the lowest level in
about two decades, state hydrologists have reported,
putting additional pressure on the nation's most
populous state to find and store more water.
"Scientists say that global warming will eliminate 25 %
of our snowpack by the half of this century," Mr. Schwar-
zenegger said recently in Fresno, Calif., "which will mean
less snow stored in the mountains, which will mean more
flooding in the winter and less drinking water in the summer."
In Montana, where about two-thirds of the Missouri River
and half of the Columbia River have their headwaters,
officials have embarked on a long-term project to
validate old water-rights claims in an effort to legally
shore up supplies the state now counts on.
Under the West's water laws, claims are hierarchal.
The oldest, first-filed claims, many dating to pioneer
days, get water first, with newer claims at the bottom
of the pecking order.
Still, some of the sharpest tensions stem more from
population growth than cautionary climate science,
especially those between Nevada and Utah, states
with booming desert economies and clout to fight for
what they say is theirs.
Las Vegas, the fastest-growing major city in the country,
and the driest, developed the pipeline plan several years
ago to bring groundwater from the rural, northern reaches
of the state. The metropolitan area, which relies on the
Colorado River for 90 percent of its water, is awaiting
approval from Nevada's chief engineer.
Ranchers and farmers in northern Nevada and Utah are
opposed to the pipeline plan and have vowed to fight it
in court, saying it smacks of the famous water grab by
Los Angeles nearly a century ago that caused severe
environmental damage in the Owens Valley in California.
"Southern Nevada thinks it can come up here and suck
all these springs dry without any problems," said Dean
Baker, whose family's ranch straddles the Nevada-Utah
border, pointing out springs that farmers have run dry
with their own wells. "We did this ourselves. Now
imagine what pumping for a whole big city is going to do."
Meanwhile, Utah has proposed a $500 million, 120-mile
pipeline from Lake Powell to serve the fast-growing City
of St. George and Washington County in the state's
southwestern corner. Nevada officials have said they will
seek to block that plan if Utah stands in the way of theirs.
"Utah is being very disingenuous, and we're calling them
on it," said Patricia Mulroy, the chief executive of the
Southern Nevada Water Authority, the agency responsible
for finding water for Las Vegas and its suburbs.
"St. George, Utah, is growing as fast as southern Nevada,
because the growth is going right up the I-15 corridor."
Dennis J. Strong, director of the Utah Division of Water
Resources, said Nevada was protesting too much and
instead should be cheering the Lake Powell project
because Colorado River water that Utah does not use
would flow in Nevada's direction. Mr. Strong said that
Nevada's protests "may be a bargaining chip." He said
he hoped for a compromise that would allow both
projects to move forward.
In Yuma, near the Arizona border with Mexico, officials
have pinned hopes on a desalination plant built 15 years
ago. The plan then had been to treat salty runoff from
farms before it made its way into Colorado River
headed to Mexico, thus meeting the terms of an old
water treaty.
But a series of unusually wet years made it more
efficient to meet the treaty obligations with water from
Lake Mead, so the plant sat idle. Drought has changed
all that. Arizona water managers, who are first in line to
have their water cut in a shortage under an agreement
with other states, called for the plant to be turned on.
Under an agreement with environmentalists, the
federal Bureau of Reclamation plans to monitor the
environmental effects of using the plant, and study,
among other things, using the purified water for
purposes other than meeting its treaty obligations,
like supplying the growing communities around Yuma.
"It never made sense to me to just dump bottled-water
quality water into the river anyway," said Jim Cherry,
the bureau's Yuma area manager.
What unites the Western states is a growing consensus
among scientists that future climate change and warmer
temperatures, if they continue, could hit harder here than
elsewhere in the continental United States.
"The Western mountain states are by far more vulnerable
to the kinds of change we've been talking about
compared to the rest of the country, with the New
England states coming in a relatively distant second,"
said Michael Dettinger, a research hydrologist at the
United States Geological Survey who studies the
relationships between water and climate.
Mr. Dettinger said higher temperatures had pushed the
spring snowmelt and runoff to about 10 days earlier on
average than in the past. Higher temperatures would
mean more rain falling rather than snow, compounding
issues of water storage and potentially affecting flooding.
In some places, the new tensions and pressures
could even push water users toward compromise.
Colorado recently hired a mediator to try to settle a
long-running dispute over how water from the Rocky
Mountains should be shared among users in the
Denver area and the western half of the state. Denver
gets most of the water and has most of the state's
population. But water users in the mountains, notably
the ski resort industry, also have clout and want to
keep their share.
Robert W. Johnson, the Bureau of Reclamation commis-
sioner, said he shared the optimism that the disputes
could be worked out, but he said he thought it might
take a reconsideration of the West's original concep-
tion of what water was for.
The great dams and reservoirs that were envisioned
beginning in the 1800s were conceived with farmers
in mind, and farmers still take about 90 percent of the
Colorado River's flow. More and more, Mr. Johnson
said, the cities will need that water.
An agreement reached a few years ago between
farmers and the Metropolitan Water District of
Southern California, the chief supplier of water to that
region, is one model. Under the terms of the agreement,
farmers would let their fields lie fallow and send water
to urban areas in exchange for money to cover the
crop losses.
"I definitely see that as the future," Mr. Johnson said.
.
.
--
Myal
Since the 70s , i remember different proffessors and experts getting on
their soap boxes preaching that water is finite , its being wasted and
polluted at rates that cannot be sustained , things will get desperate
if this isnt changed
HA ! what did they know ??
Kent Paul Dolan
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/us/04drought.html
Arizona's two major reservoirs, and the bulk of
storage of Colorado river water, Lake Mead and Lake
Powell, in the 13th consecutive year of drought, are
at 63% of average capacity, and average capacity is
nowhere near to "full". The two reservoirs are about
half full right now.
The March 2007 levels:
ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/water/basin_reports/arizona/wy2007/bareaz3.txt
Ground water levels are also in crisis.
The tourists here wish for sun, the residents wish
for rain.
xanthian.
rohan_h...@yahoo.com.au
> The tourists here wish for sun, the residents wish
> for rain.
It's drought season here in Australia as well
(well, southern Australia - here up north it's
been raining for weeks.) - and apparently it's
a particularily bad one. But before we panic
and blame all the greenhouse etc. I saw on
tele the other night that they did a core sample
test of this natural water hole that's been there
for centuries and with this study showed that
the drought cycles come and go, and there
have been longer ones than this one.
Still - better to cut down on emissions - just
in case.
Rohan.
Bob Kolker
Here is something to contemplate. Following the last ice age, the earth
warmed sufficiently that the ocean levels rose 400 to 600 feet (this
might be the biblical Noah Flood). The Siberian Land Bridge was
submerged. And all without any help from humans. And the last ice age
was the latest of many. There is a fairly well supported hypothesis that
at some point a billion years ago in the Neoproterozoic Era, the earth
was a snowball. Glaciers clean down to the equator and the oceans
frozen. Somehow, without human help (humans did not exist then) the
earth become very much like it is today.
Bob Kolker
(David P.)
Why do you want to inflict a 50%-greater
world population on your descendants?
.
.
--
Bob Kolker
>
>
> Where do you get this shit?
The ocean did rise 400 to 600 feet when the glaciers melted. That is why
the Siberean Land Bridge was submerged.
Bob Kolker
Bob Kolker
Bob Kolker
Bob Kolker
>
> Quote : "sea level was 390 feet (120 m) lower"
that is essentially in the 400 - 600 feet range.
The sea levels rose, the earth warmed and all without the help of humans.
And that is just the -average- rise. In areas with narrow inlets the
rise was even greater.
Bob Kolker
Bob Kolker
> Bob Kolker wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where do you get this shit?
>>
>>
>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/
>
>
> Since when does 120 meters equal 400 to 600 feet?
390 feet. Make me a liar for ten feet.
Bob Kolker
>
Bob Kolker
> Bob Kolker wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where do you get this shit?
>>
>>
>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/
>
>
> Since when does 120 meters equal 400 to 600 feet?
That is just the rise in -mean sea level-. In areas with narrow inlets
the rise was even greater.
Bob Kolker
>
Bob Kolker
>
>
> So you are unwilling to make a simple retraction.
I was off by ten feet on the -mean sea level rise-. Sorry about that.
Bob Kolker
>
Bob Kolker
>
> In other words, you are unwilling to retract.
No. Because stortm plus tidal surges would raise the levels even more. A
combination of storm and tidal surge can add as much as 30 meters to the
rise.
Bob Kolker
McCain Adulterer Shitbag
climate system is unequivocal"
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2007/03/27/coal_interests.html
Coal Interests Fight Polar Bear Action
An organization representing companies that mine coal and burn it to
make electricity has called on its members to fight the proposed
listing of the polar bear as an endangered or threatened species.
"This will essentially declare 'open season' for environmental lawyers
to sue to block viirtually any project that involves carbon dioxide
emissions," the Western Business Roundtable said in an e-mail.
To settle a lawsuit by environmental groups, the Department of
Interior announced last month that it would take a year to consider
whether global warming and melting Arctic ice justifies declaring the
bear "endangered" or "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act.
"This seems a little unfair, pitting all those big coal companies and
power companies against the poor polar bear," sniffed Frank O'Donnell,
president of Clean Air Watch.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/27/endangered_species/?source=whitelist
Inside the secretive plan to gut the Endangered Species Act
Proposed regulatory changes, obtained by Salon, would destroy the
"safety net for animals and plants on the brink of extinction," say
environmentalists.
March 27, 2007 | The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is maneuvering to
fundamentally weaken the Endangered Species Act, its strategy laid out
in an internal 117-page draft proposal obtained by Salon. The proposed
changes limit the number of species that can be protected and curtail
the acres of wildlife habitat to be preserved. It shifts authority to
enforce the act from the federal government to the states, and it
dilutes legal barriers that protect habitat from sprawl, logging or
mining.
"The proposed changes fundamentally gut the intent of the Endangered
Species Act," says Jan Hasselman, a Seattle attorney with
Earthjustice, an environmental law firm, who helped Salon interpret
the proposal. "This is a no-holds-barred end run around one of
America's most popular environmental protections. If these regulations
stand up, the act will no longer provide a safety net for animals and
plants on the brink of extinction."
In recent months, the Fish and Wildlife Service has gone to
extraordinary efforts to keep drafts of regulatory changes from the
public. All copies of the working document were given a number
corresponding to a person, so that leaked copies could be traced to
that individual. An e-mail sent in March from an assistant regional
director at the Fish and Wildlife Service to agency staff, asking for
comments on and corrections to the first draft, underscored the
concern with secrecy: "Please Keep close hold for now. Dale [Hall,
director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service] does not want this
stuff leaking out to stir up discontent based on speculation."
Many Fish and Wildlife Service employees believe the draft is not
based on "defensible science," says a federal employee who asked to
remain anonymous. Yet "there is genuine fear of retaliation for
communicating that to the media. People are afraid for their jobs."
Chris Tollefson, a spokesperson for the service, says that while it's
accurate to characterize the agency as trying to keep the draft under
wraps, the agency has every intention of communicating with the public
about the proposed changes; the draft just hasn't been ready. And, he
adds, it could still be changed as part of a forthcoming formal review
process.
Administration critics characterize the secrecy as a way to maintain
spin control, says Kieran Suckling, policy director of the Center for
Biological Diversity, a national environmental group. "This
administration will often release a 300-page-long document at a press
conference for a newspaper story that will go to press in two hours,
giving the media or public no opportunity to digest it and figure out
what's going on," Suckling says. "[Interior Secretary Dirk] Kempthorne
will give a feel-good quote about how the new regulations are good for
the environment, and they can win the public relations war."
In some ways, the proposed changes to the Endangered Species Act
should come as no surprise. President Bush has hardly been one of its
fans. Under his reign, the administration has granted 57 species
endangered status, the action in each case being prompted by a
lawsuit. That's fewer than in any other administration in history --
and far fewer than were listed during the administrations of Reagan
(253), Clinton (521) or Bush I (234). Furthermore, during this
administration, nearly half of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
employees who work with endangered species reported that they had been
directed by their superiors to ignore scientific evidence that would
result in recommendations for the protection of species, according to
a 2005 survey of more than 1,400 service biologists, ecologists and
botanists conducted by Public Employees for Environmental
Responsibility, a nonprofit organization.
"We are not allowed to be honest and forthright, we are expected to
rubber stamp everything," wrote a Fish and Wildlife Service biologist
as part of the survey. "I have 20 years of federal service in this and
this is the worst it has ever been."
The agency has long seen a need to improve the act, says Tollefson.
"This is a look at what's possible," he says. "Too much of our time as
an agency is spent responding to litigation rather than working on
recovering the species that are most in need. The current way the act
is run creates disincentives for people to get involved with
recovering species."
Kempthorne, boss of the Fish and Wildlife Service, has been an
outspoken critic of the act. When he was a U.S. senator from Idaho in
the late 1990s, he championed legislation that would have allowed
government agencies to exempt their actions from Endangered Species
Act regulations, and would have required federal agents to conduct
cost-benefit analyses when considering whether to list a species as
endangered. (The legislation failed.) Last June, in his early days as
interior secretary, Kempthorne told reporters, "I really believe that
we can make improvements to the act itself."
Kempthorne is keeping good on his promise. The proposed draft is
littered with language lifted directly from both Kempthorne's 1998
legislation as well as from a contentious bill by former Rep. Richard
Pombo, R-Calif. (which was also shot down by Congress). It's "a wish
list of regulations that the administration and its industry allies
have been talking about for years," says Suckling.
Written in terse, dry legal language, the proposed draft doesn't make
for easy reading. However, the changes, often seemingly subtle,
generally serve to strip the Fish and Wildlife Service of the power to
do its stated job: to protect wildlife. Some verge on the biologically
ridiculous, say critics, while others are a clear concession to
industry and conservative Western governors who have long complained
that the act degrades the economies of their states by preventing
natural-resource extraction.
One change would significantly limit the number of species eligible
for endangered status. Currently, if a species is likely to become
extinct in "the foreseeable future" -- a species-specific timeframe
that can stretch up to 300 years -- it's a candidate for act
protections. However, the new rules scale back that timeline to mean
either 20 years or 10 generations (the agency can choose which
timeline). For certain species with long life spans, such as killer
whales, grizzly bears or wolves, two decades isn't even one
generation. So even if they might be in danger of extinction, they
would not make the endangered species list because they'd be unlikely
to die out in two decades.
"It makes absolutely no sense biologically," wrote Hasselman in an e-
mail. "One of the Act's weaknesses is that species aren't protected
until they're already in trouble and this proposal puts that flaw on
steroids."
Perhaps the most significant proposed change gives state governors the
opportunity and funding to take over virtually every aspect of the act
from the federal government. This includes not only the right to
create species-recovery plans and the power to veto the reintroduction
of endangered species within state boundaries, but even the authority
to determine what plants and animals get protection. For plants and
animals in Western states, that's bad news: State politicians
throughout the region howled in opposition to the reintroduction of
the Mexican gray wolf into Arizona and the Northern Rockies wolf into
Yellowstone National Park.
"If states are involved, the act would only get minimally enforced,"
says Bob Hallock, a recently retired 34-year veteran of the Fish and
Wildlife Service who, as an endangered species specialist, worked with
state agencies in Idaho, Washington and Montana. "States are, if
anything, closer to special economic interests. They're more
manipulated. The states have not demonstrated the will or interest in
upholding the act. It's why we created a federal law in the first
place."
Additional tweaks in the law would have a major impact. For instance,
the proposal would narrow the definition of a species' geographic
range from the landscape it inhabited historically to the land it
currently occupies. Since the main reason most plants and animals head
toward extinction is due to limited habitat, the change would strongly
hamper the government's ability to protect chunks of land and allow
for a healthy recovery in the wild.
The proposal would also allow both ongoing and planned projects by
such federal agencies as the Army Corps of Engineers and the Forest
Service to go forward, even when scientific evidence indicates that
the projects may drive a species to extinction. Under the new
regulations, as long as the dam or logging isn't hastening the
previous rate of extinction, it's approved. "This makes recovery of
species impossible," says Suckling. (You can read the entire proposal,
a PDF file, here.)
Gutting the Endangered Species Act will only thicken the pall that has
hung over the Fish and Wildlife Service for the past six years,
Hallock says. "They [the Bush administration] don't want the
regulations to be effective. People in the agency are like a bunch of
whipped dogs," he says. "I think it's just unacceptable to go around
squashing other species; they're of incalculable benefit to us. The
optimism we had when this agency started has absolutely been dashed."
http://www.earthjustice.org/news/press/007/bush-administration-rewrite-of-endangered-species-act-regulations-would-gut-protections.html
Bush Administration Rewrite of Endangered Species Act Regulations
Would Gut Protections
Hush-hush proposal "a no-holds-barred end run around one of America's
most popular laws"
Washington, DC -- A secret draft of regulations that fundamentally
rewrite the Endangered Species Act was leaked to two environmental
organizations, which provided them to the press last night An article
in Salon quotes Earthjustice attorney Jan Hasselman saying, "The
proposed changes fundamentally gut the intent of the Endangered
Species Act."
The changes are fiercely technical and complicated, but make future
listings extremely difficult, redefine key concepts to the detriment
of protected species, virtually hand over administration of the act to
hostile states, and severely restrict habitat protections.
Many of the changes -- lifted from unsuccessful legislative proposals
from then-Senator (now Interior Secretary) Dirk Kempthorne and the
recently defeated congressman Richard Pombo -- are reactions to
policies and practices established as a result of litigation filed by
environmental organizations including Earthjustice.
"After the failure of these legislative proposals in the last
Congress, the Bush administration has opted to gut the Endangered
Species Act through the only avenue left open: administrative
regulations," said Hasselman. "This end-run around the will of
Congress and the American people will not succeed."
A major change would make it more difficult for a species to gain
protection, by scaling back the "foreseeable future" timeframe in
which to consider whether a species is likely to become extinct.
Instead of looking far enough ahead to be able to reasonably determine
whether a species could be heading for extinction, the new regulations
would drastically shorten the timeframe to either 20 years or 10
generations at the agency's discretion. For species with long
generations like killer whales and grizzly bears, this truncated view
of the future isn't nearly enough time to accurately predict whether
they are at-risk now.
"These draft regulations represent a total rejection of the values
held by the vast majority Americans: that we have a responsibility to
protect imperiled species and the special places they call home," said
Kate Freund, Legislative Associate at Earthjustice.
According to several sources within the Fish and Wildlife Service
quoted by Salon, hostility to the law within the agency has never been
so intense. "I have 20 years of federal service in this and this is
the worst it has ever been," one unnamed source is quoted as saying.
In addition, the proposal would allow projects by the Forest Service
and other agencies to proceed even if scientific evidence suggests
that the projects might drive species to extinction so long as the
rate of decline doesn't accelerate owing to the project.
The Bush administration's antipathy to the law is shown by the numbers
of species it has protected, in each case as the result of litigation
-- 57. By comparison, 253 species were listed during the Reagan
administration, 521 under Clinton, and 234 under Bush I.
The administration reportedly had expected to reveal the new
regulations in a few weeks. The draft regulations must be published in
the Federal Register for public comment before they can become final,
which is likely to be at least a year off.
Contact:
Jan Hasselman, Earthjustice, (206) 343-7340, ext. 25
Scott Dorsey
But I don't _like_ the way the earth is today. Perhaps WITH human help
it might be something better.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Shrikeback
On a related note, Al Gore has 4 kids.
Kent Paul Dolan
> So you are unwilling to make a simple retraction.
He doesn't need to make a retraction, moron, you do.
He gave figures with single digit precision, and to
single digit precision, 390 feet _is_ "400 feet".
Your ignorance of math doesn't make Bob a liar, though
he manages that nicely on his own without your help
in other cases.
xanthian.
nikolai kingsley
> It's drought season here in Australia as well
> (well, southern Australia - here up north it's
> been raining for weeks.) - and apparently it's
> a particularily bad one.
it's raining down in Melbun. oh, wait, hang on, no it isn't. wait.. yes
it is. no it isn't. yes it is. no it isn't. yes it is. no it isn't. yes
it is. no it isn't. yes it is. no it isn't. yes it is. no it isn't.
llloyd wood
were cuming from a deranged mind AND we can't have that.
--
Sometimes I'm in a good mood.
Sometimes I'm in a bad mood.
When all my moods have cum to pass
i hope they bury me upside down
so the world can kiss me porcelain,
white, Irish bottom.
llloyd wood
,,, ok, we get the fuckin' joke!!!
b
Kent Paul Dolan
> Rohan Hawthorne wrote:
>> It's drought season here in Australia as well
>> (well, southern Australia - here up north it's
>> been raining for weeks.) - and apparently it's
>> a particularily bad one.
Yeah, your drought seems destined to be "on the order
of a century"; it's famous far from its homeland as
one of global warmings ongoing early disasters.
> it's raining down in Melbun. oh, wait, hang on, no it isn't. wait.. yes
> it is. no it isn't. yes it is. no it isn't. yes it is. no it isn't. yes
> it is. no it isn't. yes it is. no it isn't. yes it is. no it isn't.
First time I've ever documented an instance of "posting
between the raindrops".
Come the monsoon, you'll need to type _so_ much faster.
Practice up.
Quantum valeat.
xanthian.
Kent Paul Dolan
> I believe his statement '400 to 600' is triple
> precision.
And you believe that on exactly no evidence except
your own opinion, yet you pollute Usenet with your
ravings on the basis only of your own, incorrect,
opinion.
I said you are a moron, a statement you just
confirmed.
Zeros at the end of a number without a decimal
point may or may not be significant, and are
therefore ambiguous, for example:
* 1,000 could have between one and four
* significant figures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_figures
Given no claim to the contrary, the usual convention
is that for integer numbers ending in a string of
zeros, those zeros are not significant unless
specifically stated to be significant.
That you start a huge insult throwing contest over
an ambiguous usage makes you a moron of the first
water.
Go read a good math textbook to improve your soul,
then in the future stay away from places where your
innumeracy has permanently shamed you.
xanthian.
Scott Dorsey
>
>Since the 70s , i remember different proffessors and experts getting on
>their soap boxes preaching that water is finite , its being wasted and
>polluted at rates that cannot be sustained , things will get desperate
>if this isnt changed
Water is bad news. It should be banned. It's harmful to children, and
it ruins perfectly good Scotch. Thousands of people died in Johnstown
because of the stuff. The Exxon Valdiz destroyed huge amounts of wildlife
and rendered sections of the coast uninhabitable because of it. Water:
it's a threat to our very existance.
Scott Dorsey
>An organization representing companies that mine coal and burn it to
>make electricity has called on its members to fight the proposed
>listing of the polar bear as an endangered or threatened species.
And I for one support this listing. But what about Cartesian bears and
Gaussian bears? Are they doomed to go without such protections?
Robert Sturgeon
<imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Bob Kolker <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> Following the last ice age, the earth warmed
>> sufficiently that the ocean levels rose 400-600 ft.
>
>Why do you want to inflict a 50%-greater
>world population on your descendants?
Why do you suppose that anyone has the right to decide what
the future population "should" be???
--
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
Bob Kolker
> Your ignorance of math doesn't make Bob a liar, though
> he manages that nicely on his own without your help
> in other cases.
I am sometimes mistaken, but I don't lie. Lie is being false with the
-intent- to deceive.
Bob Kolker
Bob Kolker
>
>
> Well, since you haven't actually retracted your statement yet ...
And I won't. My statement was correct to an order of magnitude. In an
order of magnitude estime 390 and 400 are the same. I also pointed out
to you that you neglected the additional level caused by tidal and storm
surges.
Your mathematical comprehension is that of a caveman.
Heinlein on Importance of Mathematics
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house. -- Robert A Heinlein.
Bob Kolker
>
Peter B. P.
> Bob Kolker wrote: > kT wrote: > >> >> In other words, you are unwilling to
> retract. > > No. Because stortm plus tidal surges would raise the levels
> even more. A > combination of storm and tidal surge can add as much as 30
> meters to the > rise AND if i made this retraction people would start to
> wonder if my thoughts were cuming from a deranged mind AND we can't have
> that.
If you are referring to El-Fritz, you are right.
-- regards , Peter B. P. http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk
(David P.)
> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Why do you want to inflict a 50%-greater
> >world population on your descendants?
>
> the future population "should" be???
Why does anyone have the right to decide that
the future should be 50% more crowded???
.
.
--
Myal
Who says they do ?
(David P.)
> (David P.) <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > Why does anyone have the right to decide that
> > the future should be 50% more crowded???
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
Alternately, the United States Census Bureau issued
a revised forecast for world population that
increased its projection for the year 2050 to
above 9.4 billion people, up from 9.1 billion people.
The latest Census Bureau estimates for the same
upcoming years are as follows:
Year Population
(in billions)
2010 6.8
2020 7.6
2030 8.3
2040 8.9
2050 9.4
.
.
--
Myal
is this allowing for diseases as modified birdflu and what aids is dong
thru africa ?
Robert Sturgeon
<imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
There is no reason any person (or persons) should get to
decide just how crowded the future should be.
(David P.)
>
> There is no reason any person (or persons) should get to
> decide just how crowded the future should be.
http://www.heraldsun.com/opinion/hsletters/index.cfm#833596
Where are the leaders?
In his March 18 column, Editor Bob Ashley talks about
a problem that exists worldwide, not just in North Carolina.
The problem is that our medical technology is much more
advanced than the other technologies necessary to
support the increasing population.
The uneven application of technologies is what happens
when we allow specialists to influence public policy.
Specialists are blissfully unaware of the "big picture."
Dr. Anthony Fauci of the NIH and Dr. Julie Gerberding
of the CDC are perfect examples. Then, too, there are
the elected officials who act on the specialists' policy
recommendations. I think we can all see that being good
at getting elected is also a specialty and does not
translate into being good at solving problems.
So, basically, we're leaderless.
David Polewka
Chapel Hill
March 28, 2007
.
.
--
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The visible SOCIOPATHY of Reichwinger
Apparently you are not qualified to diagnose your own evident
sociopathy.
I conveniently provided a webpage with the most conspicuous symptoms
listed: you don't need them all -- just three is sufficient for a
positive diagnosis.
http://h2-pv.us/Bush-Hitler/Blogspot/Sociopathy.html
DSM-IV-TR Handbook of Differential Diagnosis
by Michael B. First, Allen, MD Frances, Harold Alan, MD Pincus
Paperback: 247 pages
Publisher: American Psychiatric Association; 1st edition (January,
2002)
ISBN: 1585620548
SOCIOPATHY
The DSM-IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders,
defines anti-social personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of
disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since
age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful
behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds
for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases,
or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or
assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or
rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
In this case, we see symptoms #3, lack of future
planning, #2 lying, #4 aggressiveness towards those who can't stop
your
killing them from their position of vulnerability, #5 reckless,
disregard for those damaged by your words and acts, #6 no accepting
responsibility for what you are doing, #7 no remorse, and #1 is known
that you accept the criminal frauds of others and use them to your
purposes, making you a known accessory after the fact.
Did I leave anything out?
(David P.)
> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > Why does anyone have the right to decide that
> > the future should be 50% more crowded???
>
> sociopathy. I conveniently provided a webpage with the
How about a web page that describes what the world
will be like with a population of 9 or 10 billion?
.
.
--
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(David P.)
wrote:
> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > How about a web page that describes what the world
> > will be like with a population of 9 or 10 billion?
>
> http://h2-pv.us/Welcome/
That's La-La Land bullshit, which ignores
all political considerations. Try again.
.
.
--
Shitbag Adulterer McCain
You claim you love the children of the future but you hate their
parents and grand parents and great grand parents of the present.
You are a sociopath, stalling on improvements that can be made in 2007
while promoting ideas that can only bear fruit in generations. The
science says there will be no generations unless the people of this
generation make the improvements they can do now.
The visible SOCIOPATHY of Reichwinger
Apparently you are not qualified to diagnose your own evident
sociopathy.
I conveniently provided a webpage with the most conspicuous symptoms
(David P.)
<Adulterer.Shitbag.McC...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 12:40 pm, "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Shitbag Adulterer McCain" <Adulterer.Shitbag.McC...@Exxon-Turds.info>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > > How about a web page that describes what the world
> > > > will be like with a population of 9 or 10 billion?
>
> > >http://h2-pv.us/wiki/
> > >http://h2-pv.us/Welcome/
>
> > That's La-La Land bullshit, which ignores
> > all political considerations. Try again.
>
> parents and grand parents and great grand parents of the present.
That ain't no web site!
.
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--
Crackpot Lemmings Chow for Exxon's Tiger Teeth & Claws
http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=124390
Climate Change Threatens New Dust Bowl In Southwest
AP - 4/5/2007 3:01 PM - Updated 4/5/2007 3:03 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) A new study says a changing climate will mean
increasing drought in the Southwest and the water levels could fall to
levels not seen since the dust bowl of the 1930s.
The study published today by the journal Science says the climate in
the Southwest began getting drier late in the 20th century and the
trend is continuing.
Researcher Richard Seager says it doesn't mean dust storms like those
of the 1930s because agricultural practices today are better.
But he says the reduction in rainfall could be equal to those days.
Most of the water used in the Southwest is used in agriculture. But
the urban population is growing and Seager says that means the needs
of people for water is also increasing.
Gunner
Teeth & Claws" <Crackpot.L...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
>
>WASHINGTON (AP) A new study says a changing climate will mean
>increasing drought in the Southwest and the water levels could fall to
>levels not seen since the dust bowl of the 1930s.
So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
again?
Sounds pretty Cyclic to me.
Or are you also claiming that the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by
SUVs?
Gunner
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
Night of the Living Crackpots
> On 7 Apr 2007 13:31:42 -0700, "Crackpot Lemmings Chow for Exxon's Tiger
>
>
>
> >WASHINGTON (AP) A new study says a changing climate will mean
> >increasing drought in the Southwest and the water levels could fall to
> >levels not seen since the dust bowl of the 1930s.
>
> So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
> became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
> again?
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/climate.report.ap/
Climate report: World's poorest will suffer most
Story Highlights
· Report: Poor countries will see increased hunger and water shortages
· Scientists: Climate change will affect billions of people
· North America will see more hurricanes, floods, droughts, heat
waves, wildfires
· Africa will be hardest hit, Europe will see its Alpine glaciers
disappear
BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- The world faces increased hunger and water
shortages in the poorest countries, massive floods and avalanches in
Asia, and species extinction unless nations adapt to climate change
and halt its progress, according to a report approved Friday by an
international conference on global warming.
Agreement came after an all-night session during which key sections
were deleted from the draft and scientists angrily confronted
government negotiators who they feared were watering down their
findings.
"It has been a complex exercise," said Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of
the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Several scientists objected to the editing of the final draft by
government negotiators but, in the end, agreed to compromises.
However, some scientists vowed never to take part in the process
again.
Five days of negotiations reached a climax when the delegates removed
parts of a key chart highlighting devastating effects of climate
change that kick in with every rise of 1.8 degrees, and in a tussle
over the level of scientific reliability attached to key statements.
There was little doubt about the science, which was based on 29,000
sets of data, much of it collected in the last five years. "For the
first time we are not just arm-waving with models," Martin Perry, who
conducted the grueling negotiations, told reporters.
The United States, China and Saudi Arabia raised many of the
objections to the phrasing, often seeking to tone down the certainty
of some of the more dire projections.
The final IPCC report is the clearest and most comprehensive
scientific statement to date on the impact of global warming mainly
caused by man-induced carbon dioxide pollution.
"The poorest of the poor in the world -- and this includes poor people
in prosperous societies -- are going to be the worst hit," Pachauri
said. "People who are poor are least able to adapt to climate change."
The report said up to 30 percent of species face an increased risk of
vanishing if global temperatures rise 3.6 degrees above the average in
the 1980s and 1990s.
Areas in drought will become even more dry, adding to the risks of
hunger and disease, it said. The world will face heightened threats of
flooding, severe storms and the erosion of coastlines.
"This is a glimpse into an apocalyptic future," the Greenpeace
environmental group said of the final report.
Without action to curb carbon emissions, man's livable habitat will
shrink starkly, said Stephen Schneider, a Stanford scientist who was
one of the authors. "Don't be poor in a hot country, don't live in
hurricane alley, watch out about being on the coasts or in the Arctic,
and it's a bad idea to be on high mountains with glaciers melting."
"We can fix this," by investing a small part of the world's economic
growth rate, said Schneider. "It's trillions of dollars, but it's a
very trivial thing."
Negotiators pored over the 21-page draft meant to be a policy guide
for governments. The summary pares down the full 1,572-page scientific
assessment of the evidence of climate change so far, and the impact it
will have on the Earth's most vulnerable people and ecosystems.
More than 120 nations attended the meeting. Each word was approved by
consensus, and any change had to be approved by the scientists who
drew up that section of the report.
Parry denied the hard-fought editing process resulted in a watered-
down version, but acknowledged that "certain messages were lost."
At one point early Friday, it looked like the report "was not going to
be accepted. It was very, very close to that point," said David
Karoly, one of the scientific authors from the University of Oklahoma.
Though weakened by the deletion of some elements, the final report
"will send a very, very clear signal" to governments, said Yvo de
Boer, the U.N.'s top climate official.
The summary will be presented to the G8 summit of the world's richest
nations in June, when the European Union is expected to renew appeals
to President Bush to join in international efforts to control
emissions of fossil fuels.
This year's series of reports by the IPCC were the first in six years
from the prestigious body of 2,500 scientists, formed in 1988. Public
awareness of climate change gave the IPCC's work unaccustomed
importance and fueled the intensity of the closed-door negotiations
during the five-day meeting.
"The urgency of this report prepared by the world's top scientists
should be matched by an equally urgent response from governments,"
said Hans Verolme, director of the global climate change program of
the World Wide Fund for Nature.
At the final session, the conference snagged over a sentence that said
the impact of climate change already were being observed on every
continent and in most oceans.
"There is very high confidence that many natural systems are being
affected by regional climate changes, particularly temperature
increases," said the statement on the first page of text.
But China insisted on striking the word "very," injecting doubt into
what the scientists argued were indisputable observations. The
report's three authors refused to go along with the change, resulting
in an hours-long deadlock that was broken by a U.S. compromise to
delete any reference to confidence levels.
It is the second of four reports from the IPCC this year; the first
report in February laid out the scientific case for how global warming
is happening. This second report is the "so what" report, explaining
what the effects of global warming will be.
For the first time, the scientists broke down their predictions into
regions, and forecast that climate change will affect billions of
people.
North America will experience more severe storms with human and
economic loss, and cultural and social disruptions. It can expect more
hurricanes, floods, droughts, heat waves and wildfires, it said.
Coasts will be swamped by rising sea levels. In the short term, crop
yields may increase by 5 percent to 20 percent from a longer growing
season, but will plummet if temperatures rise by 7.2 degrees
Fahrenheit. (Watch a worst-case scenario for U.S. cities Video)
Africa will be hardest hit. By 2020, up to 250 million people are
likely to be exposed to water shortages. In some countries, food
production could fall by half, it said.
Parts of Asia are threatened with massive flooding and avalanches from
melting Himalayan glaciers. Europe also will see its Alpine glaciers
disappear. Australia's Great Barrier Reef will lose much of its coral
to bleaching from even moderate increases in sea temperatures, the
report said.
Separately, an independent organization that keeps tabs on glacial
melting in Austria's Alps said its latest survey confirms that the ice
sheets continue to shrink significantly and predicted most will vanish
by the end of the century.
The Austrian Alpine Association said experts measured 105 of Austria's
925 glaciers last year and found they had receded by an average of 52
1/2 feet, with one of the sheets shrinking a dramatic 262 feet during
2006. (Watch how the effects of climate change could hurt the Great
Barrier Reef Video)
stuar...@comcast.net
> On Apr 7, 4:37 pm, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>On 7 Apr 2007 13:31:42 -0700, "Crackpot Lemmings Chow for Exxon's Tiger
>>Teeth & Claws" <Crackpot.Lemming-c...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>WASHINGTON (AP) A new study says a changing climate will mean
>>>increasing drought in the Southwest and the water levels could fall to
>>>levels not seen since the dust bowl of the 1930s.
>>
>>So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
>>became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
>>again?
>
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/climate.report.ap/
>
> Climate report: World's poorest will suffer most
>
yes, This is the fallacy of fear mongering and appealing to consequence.
It is piggybacked on the fallacy of correlation implies causation.
Simple physics says that the CO2 increase is due to a warmer ocean, and
the warming of the ocean is due to the solar system wide warming
observed on Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Pluto.
It's all very amusing, and all very effective on the ignorant and stupid
masses. I got my money on them being able to talk you into slitting your
own throat for no good reason. Really, I've invested in all the
countries that will make out like a bandit if the US signs the Kyoto
accords. Not because I want this con job to work, but because people
like the ignorant Democrats are dumb enough to fall for it, and I don't
want to be losers like they are.
Bob Kolker
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/climate.report.ap/
>
> Climate report: World's poorest will suffer most
>
> Story Highlights
> · Report: Poor countries will see increased hunger and water shortages
> · Scientists: Climate change will affect billions of people
> · North America will see more hurricanes, floods, droughts, heat
> waves, wildfires
> · Africa will be hardest hit, Europe will see its Alpine glaciers
> disappear
That is the natural order of things.
Bob Kolker
Bob Kolker
>
> It's all very amusing, and all very effective on the ignorant and stupid
> masses. I got my money on them being able to talk you into slitting your
> own throat for no good reason. Really, I've invested in all the
> countries that will make out like a bandit if the US signs the Kyoto
> accords. Not because I want this con job to work, but because people
> like the ignorant Democrats are dumb enough to fall for it, and I don't
> want to be losers like they are.
You will notice that the Chickens Little of the world have nothing to
say about how the earth warmed up after the last ice age and all without
any significant help from humans. Climate change follows natural cycles.
Bob Kolker
Carbon Criminal Polluters
wrote:
> Simple physics says that the CO2 increase is due to a warmer
The CORRUPT RICHARD S. LINDZEN, DESPICABLE OUTCAST OF SCIENCE
(Climatology) DOCTOR Richard Lindzen speaks about passive smoke and
health, Next up, prominent ROOFER discusses faults in modern Quantum
Mechanics Theory.
=========================
Philip Morris
Passive Smoking: How Great A Hazard?
Date: 19910700/P
Length: 48 pages
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046323437-3484.html
Page 36: cyb09e00
Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has
emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on
scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave
society with a resource of some importance diminished. The
implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to
the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political
needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound
scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific
methodologies. Such has not always been the case with environmental
tobacco smoke.
=========================
In 1993 documents appeared in secret tobacco conspiracy file cabinets
about a fake science conference organized by the documented corrupt S.
Fred Singer. This meeting in Washington, DC, was facetiously titled
"Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process", funded by two
lung-killer industries tobacco and asbestos, and Lindzen was a
prominant hoaxer at this event. Lindzen has been paid in a CRIMINAL
CONSPIRACY to defraud the public on the immanent dangers of Global
Warming, just as he participated with co-conspirators to aid Singer's
science hoaxes on behalf of tobacco and asbestos SERIAL MURDERER
CORPORATIONS.
Every single fact below can stand up in court in the trial of Lindzen
for FELONY CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. Much more incriminating evidence will
be adduced at trial.
Google search engine reports 164 results looking for Richard S.
Lindzen AND "Washington Times" owned by the convicted felon Sun Myung
Moon. Moon has hosted many fake science conferences to exploit for
propaganda purposes. Singer apprenteced the fake science conference
back when Singer was President of the moonie "Washingon Institute for
Values in Public Policy". No records exist in public archives on what
Moon paid Singer as president of the Wash Inst, but here is a link
showing how generous Moon is to one successor president after Singer's
term -- $142,708/yr salary.
http://documents.guidestar.org/1998/521/293/1998-521293998-1-9.pdf
Moon is master of money laundering and subversive payoffs -- we will
never know who all he paid and how much they pocketed. We do know that
Google search engine finds 152 webpages linking Moon AND Lindzen.
There is an unseemly association between a science corruptor and a
known identified corrupt Lindzen: 314 webpage results for Lindzen AND
"Sun Myung Moon" OR "Washington Times".
http://tobaccodocuments.org/mayo_clinic/2025498346.html SUBJECT: The
Heidelberg Appeal Date: 23 Mar 1993
BACKGROUND
This coalition has its roots in the asbestos industry, but has become
a broad and independent movement in a littlc bit less than a year. We
are involved with the coalition through the French NMA, but we are
being discreet because some of the coalition members are concerned
about a "tobacco connection".
Our strategy is to continue discreetly supporting the coalition and
help it grow in size and credibility. The timing is particularly
opportune because of Bill Clinton's sympathy to the messages of the
coalition (see attached IHT article).
If you would like more information on how to help support thc
movement, pIease contact me or Tom Borelli on the US side.
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2502284041-4042.html
(Philip Morris Documents)
Scientific Integrity in the Public Policy Process Semi-Final Program
930524 - 930525 the Madison Hotel 15th and M Streets, Nw Washington,
D.C. Date: 19930525/D
Length: 2 pages
Persons identified in pulling off this science hoax included: CORRUPT
Michael Fumento, CORRUPT Michael Gough, CORRUPT Robert Jastrow,
CORRUPT Michael Salomon, CORRUPT Robert Tollison, and the arch-
CORRUPTOR S. Fred Singer ringleader.
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_S._Lindzen
Richard S. Lindzen
Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, a distinguished professor of meteorology at
MIT, is one of a small band of global warming skeptics used by
industry to undermine and delay any kind of regulatory action meant to
address the looming environmental crisis.
Lindzen was reported in 1995 to "charges oil and coal interests $2,500
a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a
Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels, and a speech he wrote,
entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific
Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC." [1]
According to Ross Gelbspan, Lindzen and skeptics like him -- including
Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Robert Balling, Dr. Sherwood Idso, and Dr. S.
Fred Singer, among others -- "assert flatly that their science is
untainted by funding. Nevertheless, in this persistent and well-funded
campaign of [global warming] denial they have become interchangeable
ornaments on the hood of a high-powered engine of disinformation.
Their dissenting opinions are amplified beyond all proportion through
the media while the concerns of the dominant majority of the world's
scientific establishment are marginalized. By keeping the discussion
focused on whether there is a problem in the first place, they have
effectively silenced the debate over what to do about it." [2]
External links
* Ross Gelbspan, "The Heat is On: The warming of the world's
climate sparks a blaze of denial," Harper's magazine, December 1995.
* Daniel Grossman, Dissent in the Maelstrom,"Scientific American,
November 2001.
* "Richard Lindzen," Wikipedia.
http://dieoff.org/page82.htm
THE HEAT IS ON:
The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial
by Ross Gelbspan.
from HARPER'S MAGAZINE/December, 1995
... The people who run the world's oil and coal companies know that
the march of science, and of political action, may be slowed by
disinformation. In the last year and a half, one of the leading oil
industry public relations outlets, the Global Climate Coalition, has
spent more than a million dollars to downplay the threat of climate
change. It expects to spend another $850,000 on the issue next year.
Similarly, the National Coal Association spent more than $700,000 on
the global climate issue in 1992 and 1993. In 1993 alone, the American
Petroleum Institute, just one of fifty-four industry members of the
GCC, paid $1.8 million to the public relations firm of Burson-
Marsteller partly in an effort to defeat a proposed tax on fossil
fuels. For perspective, this is only slightly less than the combined
yearly expenditures on global warming of the five major environmental
groups that focus on climate issues -- about $2.1 million, according
to officials of the Environmental Defense Fund, the Natural Resources
Defense Council, the Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists,
and the World Wildlife Fund.
For the most part the industry has relied on a small band of skeptics
-- Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Robert Balling, Dr.
Sherwood Idso, and Dr. S. Fred Singer, among others -- who have proven
extraordinarily adept at draining the issue of all sense of crisis.
Through their frequent pronouncements in the press and on radio and
television, they have helped to create the illusion that the question
is hopelessly mired in unknowns. Most damaging has been their
influence on decision makers; their contrarian views have allowed
conservative Republicans such as Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R.,
Calif.) to dismiss legitimate research concerns as "liberal claptrap"
and have provided the basis for the recent round of budget cuts to
those government science programs designed to monitor the health of
the planet.
Last May, Minnesota held hearings in St. Paul to determine the
environmental cost of coal burning by state power plants. Three of the
skeptics -- Lindzen, Michaels, and Balling -- were hired as expert
witnesses to testify on behalf of Western Fuels Association, a $400
million consortium of coal suppliers and coal-fired utilities.
[#1] ...
[#l In 1991, Western Fuels spent an estimated $250,000 to produce and
distribute a video entitled "The Greening of Planet Earth," which was
shown frequently inside the Bush White House as well as within the
governments of OPEC. In near-evangelical tones, the video promises
that a new age of agricultural abundance will result from increasing
concentrations of carbon dioxide. It portrays a world where vast areas
of desert are reclaimed by the carbon dioxide-forced growth of new
grasslands, where the earth's diminishing forests are replenished by a
nurturing atmosphere. Unfortunately, it overlooks the bugs. Experts
note that even a minor elevation in temperature would trigger an
explosion in the planet's insect population, leading to potentially
significant disruptions in food supplies from crop damage as well as
to a surge in insect-borne diseases. It appears that Western Fuels'
video fails to tell people what the termites in New Orleans may be
trying to tell them now.]
Carbon Criminal Polluters
>
> That is the natural order of things.
>
> Bob Kolker
The CORRUPT RICHARD S. LINDZEN, DESPICABLE OUTCAST OF SCIENCE
Carbon Criminal Polluters
> You will notice that the Chickens Little of the world have nothing to
> say about
The CORRUPT RICHARD S. LINDZEN, DESPICABLE OUTCAST OF SCIENCE
Myal
>
>>On 7 Apr 2007 13:31:42 -0700, "Crackpot Lemmings Chow for Exxon's Tiger
>>Teeth & Claws" <Crackpot.Lemming-c...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>WASHINGTON (AP) A new study says a changing climate will mean
>>>increasing drought in the Southwest and the water levels could fall to
>>>levels not seen since the dust bowl of the 1930s.
>>
>>So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
>>became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
>>again?
>
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/climate.report.ap/
>
> Climate report: World's poorest will suffer most
>
>
as long as the richer countries dont have their economies affect who
gives a toss ?
Crooked Corporations Backing Crooked Politicians
You can't trust a backstabber behind your back. Maybe you could go
hunting with Dick Cheney, or for that matter, how come you ain't
surging in Iraq right now?
Somebody who won't sent a boat to get you when your city is flooded
don't get my votes.
Myal
no , yo have just diagnosed most of the "civilised" world ... good job
Insignificant Flyspecks
4%, 1-out-of-25, specifically will slit your throat and never lose a
night's sleep over it.
The Sociopathy of the Rockefellers (Exxon-Conoco-Chevron Founder
Family) Revealed by three converging gun-related schemes.
http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Ludlow_Massacre/Remington_Arms.htm
Picture 1
Remington Arms Company headquarters, (1914-1932) 25 Broadway, New York
City. The Cunard Lines building is currently a US post office. The
dark
shadow on the right is 26 Broadway across the street, world
headquarters
of the Standard Oil. Seen in the distance, in the gap between 25 & 26
Broadway is 37 Broadway, where Prescott Bush's offices are located
between
1926 and 1952.
Picture 2
26 Broadway, world headquarters of the Standard Oil.
Young John D. Rockefeller wrote to his wife on the eve of creating
Standard Oil that they were already wealthy and would be secure
regardless
of how this oil investment turned out. All the crimes which followed
were
unnecessary by any material needs. As it was to turn out, the
Rockefellers were founding an organized crime family as vicious as
anything ever imagined by the fictional Sopranos or the real life
Gotti
crime families. More people were mowed down in mass murders by the
Rockefeller crime sprees than by Chicago's arch crime lord Al Capone.
One particular incident is revealing, the Ludlow Massacre of April 20,
1914. This episode was extensively whitewashed by the power of
Rockefeller
millions using professional public relations experts and gulled or
bought
media. The truth emerges by looking at the other Rockefeller
activities
going on about the same time period.
>From 1910 onwards, Mexico was engulfed in a series of turnovers of
governments. By 1913 debts to American lenders were in danger of
repudiation, and most seriously from the Rockefeller perspective, all
mineral wealth under the ground was threatened to be nationalized. Two
Rockefeller oil companies were drilling on leases worth 25% of
America's
annual consumption of oil, obtained dirt cheap from prior corrupt
governments.
Picture 3
Vera Cruz campaign, Mexico, 1914; Smedley Butler at right; close
friends
Lieutenant Colonel W. C, Neville (center) and Colonel John A. Lejeune
(next to Butler), both later Marine Commandants (Marine Corps photo)
Smedley Butler of the United States Marine Corps was sent in to
reconnoiter Mexico's defensive measures as a spy in late 1913, and
early
in 1914 he led an expeditionary force which took possession of Vera
Cruz,
Mexico. Butler will later be nominated in 1934 to be Wall Street's
choice
to head a fascist takeover of the United States as if it was just
another
Banana Republic, but for our story his actions in 1914 defending
Standard
Oil's ill-gotten gains in Mexico helps us to pierce the veil of the
Ludlow
Massacre whitewash.
In 1907 John D. Rockefeller's neice Ethel (brother Wiiliam's
daughter),
married into the Hartley-Dodge family which cleared the path for her
brother Percy A. Rockefeller to take control of the Remington Arms
company
in 1914. In early 1914 war with Mexico appeared very likely, and
speculation was in all the papers about its imminence.
Picture 4
Photo dated January 13, 1915. Expansion of Ilion, NY, Remington Arms
plant
well under construction, planned in 1914 simultaneously with these
other
events.
Picture 5
Part of a 1,000,000 rifle & bayonnet Remington Arms Co. consigment
ordered
by czarist Russia, 1916.
Percy Rockefeller had been tutored in the same private school
Rockefeller
set up for his own son's education, along with a few others from the
same
ultra-wealthy peer group. In 1914 John D. Rockefeller Sr. was
president of
Standard Oil, and son John D. Jr. was vice-president but in actual
fact
senior rarely showed up at the office any more and junior was in
charge of
the family businesses. Junior's offices were at 26 Broadway, near Wall
Street in the NYC financial district. Cousin Percy set up Remington
Arms
headquarters across the street at 25 Broadway, with Samuel F. Pryor
installed as president and himself as Chairman of the Board.
Thus there were three gun-related events going on in early 1914, with
the
Rockefeller clan being the hidden hand connecting them.
While the Rockefellers are forever associated with Standard Oil, a
fabulous cash cow, their other investments were tremendously valuable
and
should not be overlooked in assessing Rockefeller motivations. For
example
their Masabi iron ore properties were sold to U.S. Steel for
$90,000,000,
at a time when the percentage of the Gross National Product would make
that $90 million worth about $18 billion in today's GNP equivilency.
It
should be remembered that Rockefeller obtained those Masabi ore
properties
by foreclosing on a $100,000 loan, and very well may have contrived to
choke off other credit of the wretched debtor in his usual behind the
scenes manner.
Making wealth is half the problem: keeping it is the harder half.
Using
guns to secure property is as old as guns themselves. Making guns is
not
necessarily the money-maker some may think it might be. Remington Arms
made money during the time period of World War One (1914-1918), but
not
nearly as much money as Du Ponts made putting the gunpowder inside all
those bullets Remington sold. Making WAR can be immensely profitable
for
fuel, for steel, for ore, for railroad investments -- making guns only
facilitates the war and thereby all of the other profits of war.
Picture 6
Hired Rockefeller gunmen brought in to suppress the strike. The
photographer who took this 1914 photo in Ludlow, Colorado, claimed
these
were Mexican campaign veterans, but that means mercenaries -- the US
military incursion in Mexico began two days after the Ludlow Massacre.
Note some uniforms similarity to Butler's Vera Cruz uniform in photo
above.
Picture 7
One of the eight machine guns brought by the Baldwin-Felts
strikebreaker
detective agency hired by Rockefeller to crush the strike at Ludlow.
Picture 8
Closeup view of machine gun. Click photos for enlarged images.
Picture 9
"Death Special", an armored car built by the mine workshops, normally
mounted with two machine guns terrorized the strikers living in their
tents on lawfully rented fields after eviction from company housing.
Random driveby shootings occurred in the nights.
Picture 10
Closeup of the machine gun mounted in the Death Special. The gun maker
has
not been identified: it may have been Remington manufactured under
Colt or
Browning licences, but the exact models are not confirmed. Remington
opened a new factory in Bridgeport, Connecticut for manufacturing
machine
guns and automatic rifles by 1917.
Rockefeller revealed his strategy decades before: he made money off
everything. The Standard Oil-owned Union Tank Car Company was operated
at
a loss for decades, never making a dime profit -- it was used as a
weapon
to break his competition, which is where the profits were actually
made by
owning monopoly control over the retail market and setting profits.
The
mines in Colorado were not as profitable as other business operations,
and
this creates an appearance that they were not monitored, not as
closely
watched, as other more important properties. It would be a mistake to
make
that assumption.
Early on Rockefeller established a spy system to report everything
about
his competitors, but also which reported everything about his own
far-flung operations. There is no evidence this spy network was ever
dismantled, and one should assume it continues in ExxonMobil today.
Cost
factors were so precisely regulated by top management dictates that
every
gallon tin can of Standard karosene lamp oil was sealed with exactly
39
drops of solder, not 40, not 38. Encrypted code systems of
communications
were adopted early during a time when anybody could listen in on
telegraph
lines to the messages being sent, and this too has never been verified
to
have ever been discontinued.
With these well-documented facts in mind, one can disregard the
disclosed
publicly exchange of letters between 26 Broadway and Colorado. The
presumed existing encrypted code messages, and the reports from the
spy
networks have never been made public.
What has become public is the deaths of workers suffering under
extreme
duress to support Rockefeller's luxury. The strikebreaking at Ludlow
closely followed the script of the Homestead strikebreaking of 1892.
John
D. Rockefeller was on record sending telegrams of support to Henry
Clay
Frick who pioneered the Homestead Steel violent method of subduing
workers.
Another earlier labor strife violence has some haunting relationships:
the
Haymarket Square strike, riot and bombing of 1884 was at the McCormick
Farm Implement works (later called International Harvester). Edith,
daughter of John D. Sr., sister to John D. Jr., and cousin to Percy,
married Harold McCormick, son of Cyrus. Harold and his brother Stanley
were classmates in the very exclusive private tutor school that Junior
and
Percy attended. So from the age of his young teens John D. Junior was
taught that there is no downside to using government power and guns to
subdue labor unrest and wrestle part of their wages from workers.
This is only a portion of the education of John D. Rockefeller Jr.
As reported by the fawning syncophant biographer, Raymond B. Fosdick,
we
find that Junior was personally tutored by Senior every evening when
he
returned home from work at Standard Oil at 26 Broadway. The exact same
book which pleads ignorance and negligence on Junior's part in the
Ludlow
Massacre gushes on page after page over Junior's assumption of
Senior's
business activities and his attention to the smallest of details as a
character trait which cannot be eradicated out of him.
Picture 11
College boys conscripted by the Colorado National Guard had their
patriotic impulses perverted into strikebreakers after provoked
incidents
of volence.
Pictures 12, 13
Baldwin-Felts gunmen replaced the college boys wearing national guard
uniforms, seen here on top of a train approaching the Ludlow strikers
tent
camp Left: National Guard officers. Above: Baldwin-Felts gunmen
replaced
the college boys wearing national guard uniforms, seen here on top of
a
train approaching the Ludlow strikers tent camp.
Picture 14
John D. Rockefeller Jr. Ludlow Masscre investigation.
Junior looking smug leaving a congressional committee hearing one week
before his gunmen spray lead creating the Ludlow Massacre.
In 1901 Junior was called upon to negotiate that sale of the Masabi
Ore
property with J.P. Morgan and Frick, and in 1904 Junior visited Frick
in
Pittsburgh where the two men toured the Homestead plant that had been
the
scene of labor dispute bloodshed in 1892. Without supplying more
details,
Fosdick ends that description with the words "in the years to come
there
would be other such meetings [with Frick]". That Junior came from a
culture of violent men using government power to harm the weak is
without
any doubt. It is certain he had already adopted his father's famous
slogan
"the weakest must die first".
A Rockefeller trait known since the youth of John D. Rockefeller Sr.
is
that small acts of charity whitewash large crime stains. As
Rockefeller
wealth and power grew, the charity became more public and larger, but
every dollar given was stolen from customers, workers, competitors and
the
public at large through corruption of institutions. Looking closely at
these charities one finds that they often returned more wealth and
power
than the "gift" cost them. For every dollar of "charity", ten or more
dollars of profits were obtained behind that cloak of generousity. The
gifts raised an army of recipients shouting the praises loudly,
drowning
out the cries of the crushed and demolished.
Picture 15
Aftermath of the massacre. Gunmen stand around keeping survivors from
returning to salvage belongings from the burned out tent camp. Louis
Tikas, assassinated union organizer lies dead in middle forground.
Unidentified body lies near his. These bodies were left for two days
until
passengers on passing trains complained of the unsightly unburied
corpses.
Picture 16
Louis Tikas body lying in mortuary.
Picture 17
Procession following Tikas body at funeral stretched for two miles.
Visit other webpages of bibliography of Rockefeller-Bush-Dulles-
Harriman
sociopathy and American-Nazi Axis.
Remington Arms in American history by Alden HatchRemington Arms in
American history by Alden Hatch
ASIN: B0006C589A
Buried unsung: Louis Tikas and the Ludlow Massacre (The University of
Utah
publications in the American West)Buried Unsung: Louis Tikas and the
Ludlow Massacre by Zeese Papanikolas
Hardcover: 331 pages
Publisher: University of Utah Press (1982)
ISBN: 0874802113
The Great Coalfield War by George S McGovernThe Great Coalfield War
by George S McGovern
Hardcover: 383 pages
Publisher: Houghton Mifflin (1972)
ISBN: 0395136490
John D. Rockefeller, Jr.,: A portrait by Raymond Blaine FosdickJohn D.
Rockefeller, Jr., A portrait
by Raymond Blaine Fosdick
Hardcover: 477 pages
Publisher: Harper; [1st ed.] edition (1956)
ASIN: B0007DLQYY
The Plot To Seize The White House by Jules Archer The Plot To Seize
The White House
by Jules Archer
Hardcover: 256 pages
Publisher: Hawthorn Books (1973)
ASIN: B0006COVHA
In 1933 and 1934 fascist plutocrats planned the overthrow of democracy
in
the US. They selected Major-General Smedley Butler, USMC (ret) as
figurehead dictator. He exposed the plot. Remington Arms were once
again
to be made freely available to the mercenary troops of this plot by
Remington's new owners: the Du Ponts. Major Wall Street figures were
involved in this plot, patterned after their recently successful
installing of Hitler in Germany.
The Date is 1926, 12 years later. Prescott Bush (father of GHW Bush,
grandfather of George Walker Bush) is hired into the firm of W.A.
Harriman
& Co. at 37 Broadway. He knows his neighbors Percy A. Rockefeller and
Samuel F. Pryor of Remington Arms Company nextdoor at 25 Broadway
through
his father's war work. During WWI, Samuel Prescott Bush was head of
the
War Industries Board, Ordinance and Small Arms Division which
purchased
guns for the government from Remington Arms. Sam Bush himself made
arms
during WWI at the Buckeye Steel Castings Company where he was
president,
but they were larger sorts: cast artillary barrels and shell casings.
Bush also knew, in a way, the Rockefeller clan. Again his father owed
all
of his wealth and success to the Rockefellers, who controlled Buckeye
Steel. Sam Bush followed Frank Rockefeller's term of president, Frank
being brother to John D. Rockefeller Sr, uncle to both Percy and John
D.
Jr.
Bush's bosses were his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, and
Averell
Hariman, and together with them (and other powers of Wall Street)
Prescott
was to become involved in nursing the Hitler Project into World War
II. In
fact, by the day Prescott was hired to be manager of the Union Banking
Corporation at 37 Broadway, the bank's real owner, German
multi-millionaire Fritz Thyssen had been backing Adolph Hitler
financially
for two years already. All around him Wall Street was rushing to pour
money into re-arming Germany, and Prescott Bush was as enthusiastic as
anyone else in his crowd. By 1942, almost a full year after Pearl
Harbor a
full 26 businesses were seized under the Trading With The Enemy Act
that
Prescott was managing. Those were only the ones that became known
about.
Not to worry that Prescott would pay any penalty though: the Alien
Property Custodian was Leo T. Crowley down the street at 120 Wall
Street,
whose thorough corruption has been documented by Anthony Sutton and
nazi-hunter Charles Higham. By 1942, Prescott's boss Averell Harriman
was
ambassador to Russia, and a partner in his office, Robert Lovett, Jr.
was
Assistant secretary of the Army choosing targets for bombing raids.
Other
members of his American-Nazi Axis friends were in positions to see
that no
harm could come to Bush for his fascist support activities.
Standard Oil was no longer across the street by 1933. They moved into
Rockefeller Center further uptown. Their nazi dealings were not so
easily
hidden by 1942, being worldwide in scope and involved hundreds of
millions
of dollars in deals. The President of Standard Oil was William Stamps
Farish, and the Chairman was Walter Teagle. They had recently swapped
jobs, so both were fully as informed and involved as the other. There
were
pretty serious nasty words in congressional hearings in 1942, but in
the
end a slap on the wrist involving fineal to a quarter of a week's
salary
swept the dirt under the rug.
When examining history one must evaluate if sociopathic mental illness
is
involved. It is quite common, one to every two-dozen normals is the
average distribution in society. By examing the evidence to tie to
symptoms, once a diagnosis is confirmed than one deals with the
evidence
in a very different fashion.
Sociopathy knows no cure. It is permanant and lifelong once it
manifests.
Sociopaths have no conscience and lie or falsify evidence without
qualms
of conscience or regrets over deceptions.
Both Junior and Senior Rockefellers were sociopathic, as the plain
evidence of their careers displays. At the time when Adolph Hitler was
a
little child Rockefeller Senior was funding Eugenics programs in both
America and Germany. Junior continued these "charitable" activities
right
up to Hitler's invasion of Poland. Throughout the war Standard Oil
subsidiaries routed fuel to the Nazis, and Rockefeller was a heavy
investor in I.G. Farben who made synthetic fuels for Hitler out of
coal
gasification. The Rockefeller mind believed in Master-Race, Slave-
Race,
divisions. Ludlow mine workers were Slave-race types, of lesser
importance
than the mules used in the mines. As one Rockefeller mine manager said
"Dagos are cheaper than mules".
Rockefellers steering the Hitler project is not "unthinkable". It fits
the
totality of the evidence, when the sociopathic dimension is examined.
Likewise the Harrimans were sociopathic. E.H. Harriman borrowed often
from
Rockefeller's National City Bank. Two of Percy Rockefeller's brothers
married two of James Stillman's daughters to unite the
Stillman-Rockefeller clans, and one of their offspring, James Stillman
Rockefeller, worked with Prescott Bush in Brown Brothers Harriman (so
named after W.A Harriman merged with Brown Brothers in 1929) up until
1930. In several senses the Harrimans and the Rockefellers were welded
together, but sociopathically the key to understanding is the strong
financial support that Harriman's widow gave to the Eugenics
movement.
Again, it was the "Master-Race, Slave Races," mentality which united
so
many sociopaths around the Hitler project. Long before Rockefeller
Junior
sent the gunmen to slaughter in Ludlow, E.H. Harriman fought Senator
Clark
from Colorado with armed men. Nothing but death itself could stop some
of
these megalomaniacs from their obsession of controlling the world no
matter who gets hurt. Harriman's war with J.P. Morgan over the
Northern
Pacific railroad started a Wall Street panic that bankrupted many and
damaged the nation, but reckless disregard of the injury to others is
one
defining symptom of sociopathy.
The whole Harriman family was into Eugenics. Averell's sister Mary was
nicknamed "Eugenia" because she was so fanatical on the subject. This
brings into question the whole motivation behind the "Junior League"
that
Mary Harriman founded. Lifelong eugenics fanatic, Mary "Eugenia"
Harriman,
has to be questioned as to real motivations "to work to improve child
health, nutrition, and literacy among immigrants living on the Lower
East
Side of Manhattan." The Harrimans were pouring money into Eugenics
movements to restrict immigration, and sterilize the poor, and
continued
doing this for several decades until Hitler's atrocities made the
subject
unfashionable (for a time).
This is classic sociopathy: say one thing while doing another (sneaky
and
heinous thing).
Averell Harriman and his brother E.R. Bunny Harriman, along with
partner
George Herbert Walker and partner Prescott Bush were all on public
record
advocating eugenics through the 1930s, precisely while working on the
Hitler Project. Prescott Bush even lost his first election campaign
when
his role as treasurer to the local Connecticut "Planned Parenthood"
organization was made public in the 1950s. Hitler's excesses were
still
unfashionable in the 1950s.
As organized crime, the American-Nazi Axis worked at destroying
evidence
and concealing crimes. That any fragments of evidence persist is near
miraculous. Such fragments as there are are distributed across
numerous
sources, each one documenting a few facts and confirming facts
documented
elsewhere.
The Ludlow Massacre is partly reconstructed using the work of George
McGovern, one-time democratic candidate for president. As a member of
the
Rockefeller-controlled Council on Foreign Relations, McGovern's book
goes
lightly on Rockefeller Junior, although all the facts available in
2005
were equally or more available in 1972 when he published it. Fosdick's
"John D. Rockefeller, Jr., A portrait" was published in 1952, and
Tarbell's History of Standard Oil was published in 1905. McGovern
actually
flew a bombing mission over I.G. Farben's plant at Auschwitz in 1944,
that
Rockefeller man in charge of targetting, John J. McCloy, strenuously
opposed. One would think by 1972 McGovern would feel no urge to go
soft on
Junior.
Without Zeese Papanikolas' book "Buried Unsung" critical details of
understanding the Ludlow Massacre might have stayed whitwashed by
McGovern, by Fosdick, by Ivy Lee and Mackenzie King. Ivy Lee, by the
way,
was raked over the coal's by congressional committees for distributing
nazi propaganda paid for and provided by I.G. Farben, so McGovern has
even
less excuse for ignoring the evidence of sociopathic complicity in the
Hitler Project, where he once risked his life flying a bomber mission
deep
in enemy territory over that same I.G. Farben. I guess we can be
thankful
the relatively more honest Richard Nixon won that 1972 presidential
race
by using burgulars to bug the Watergate.
The story of Henry Clay Frick and the bloody Homestead strike has been
often told, but who ever connected up the facts of Junior's tutorage
under
Frick before, not to mention lucrative deals between them. Who ever
put
conveniently in one place The Haymarket riot McCormick family ("We
hung 20
anarchists and most of them were guilty of something") to Percy and
Junior
going to private school of less than a dozen exclusive students
before?
Who noticed that 25 and 26 Broadway had more than just a street in the
middle connecting the two?
Jules Archer wrote "The Plot To Seize The White House" and then the
company went promptly out of business? Paranoia? Or does it follow a
historical pattern of repetitious behavior from sinister people who
actually exist, actually have track records of behaviors?
Had Henry Clay Frick, Andrew Mellon, Philander C. Knox, Andrew
Carnegie
and others involved in the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club been
held
accountable with serious prison time for 2,200 lives lost May 31, 1889
in
the Johnstown Flood, there would have been no bloody Homestead Strike
in
1892, no Frick tutoring young Rockefeller Junior how to "get away with
it"
supressing labor disputes with private and government force.
Sociopaths
getting away with murder, with manslaughter, live to teach upcoming
sociopaths the tricks of the trade. Here it is more than 115 years
later
and the vulnerably weak have not yet learned the nature of the
predatory
schemers who thirst to take innocent lives. It's not about money --
they
were already rich beyond the ability to spend it all in a lifetime.
Frick, Mellon, Knox, Carnegie all had track records to apply to
understanding truth about Homestead. Rockefeller Senior and Junior had
track records to understand Ludlow. Harrimans and Bushes have track
records to understand their roles in the Hitler Project. When George
W.
Bush visited Auschwitz in 2001 and stated "History is a reminder of
what's
possible", it means something very different to others with other
family
values.
More than half of all biographies on the Du Ponts fail to even mention
the
family acquisition of the Remington Arms Company, The other half only
devote a paragraph or less to the subject. None of them mention The
American Liberty League or The Plot To Seize The White House equipped
with
Remington weapons revealed by the highest ranking marine general of
his
times with the most medals of his times.
Gunner
<Crac...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
>>
>> So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
>> became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
>> again?
>
>http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/climate.report.ap/
So you choose not to answer the question?
Im not surprised.
Gunner
Politicians" <Crooke...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
>>
>> >>So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
>> >>became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
>> >>again?
>>
So you wont answer the hard questions either?
Kent Paul Dolan
> Why does anyone have the right to decide that
> the future should be 50% more crowded???
Why does anyone have the right to decide that
brain-burned alcoholics should still enjoy
free speech to clutter up Usenet with idiocy
like yours, repeated unchanging dozens upon
dozens of times without you learning a single
intelligent thought from all the rebuttals
your imbecile-level "world planning" receives?
xanthian.
Kent Paul Dolan
> Climate change follows natural cycles.
Yes, it does. This just doesn't happen to be
one of them.
Quantum valeat.
xanthian.
Robert Sturgeon
It was those Geico cavemen and their SUVs that did it!
Bob Kolker
>
> It was those Geico cavemen and their SUVs that did it!
No! America is to blame!
Bob Kolker
stuar...@comcast.net
Very true. They don't explain any of the last 6 known warming cycles or
the increases in CO2 that lagged the warming, they don't explain how
they know that CO2 has never been this high before (yes, it's not found
in the ice cores, but given diffusion of CO2 in ice over a 100,000
years, it wouldn't BE there), they don't explain warming on other
planets, they don't explain why they think correlation proves causation
(it doesn't, that's a logical fallacy), and so on.
When you engage one of these "scientist" (I use the word in quotes
because scientist don't use logical fallacies in their reasoning and are
unbiased; these people are NOT scientist in that they use fallacies,
emotional appeals, appeals to consequence, and bald faced lies about
consensus which would be a fallacy even if they weren't lying, and they
are bias as all get out) they will immediately try and obscure the issue
with trivia, while ignoring that deductively and conclusively, their
"theory" is disproved and debunked.
We don't teach critical thinking in schools anymore, so I believe they
will win. They will also all be dead in about 30 years.
Insignificant Flyspecks
> On 7 Apr 2007 16:43:01 -0700, "Night of the Living Crackpots"
>
>
> >> So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
> >> became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
> >> again?
>
> >http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/climate.report.ap/
>
> So you choose not to answer the question?
>
> Im not surprised.
>
The visible SOCIOPATHY of Reichwinger
Gunner
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>On Apr 8, 12:51 am, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On 7 Apr 2007 16:43:01 -0700, "Night of the Living Crackpots"
>>
>> <Crackp...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
>>
>> >> So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
>> >> became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
>> >> again?
>>
>> >http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/climate.report.ap/
>>
>> So you choose not to answer the question?
>>
>> Im not surprised.
>>
>
>The visible SOCIOPATHY of Reichwinger
>
>Apparently you are not qualified to diagnose your own evident
>sociopathy.
>
>I conveniently provided a webpage with the most conspicuous symptoms
>listed: you don't need them all -- just three is sufficient for a
>positive diagnosis.
Fascinating. He morphs faster than a cancer cell in a hot lab.
Further evidence of your mentally ill libtard.
Crackpot Lemmings Goosestepping Off Cliffs
in attics in New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/51d1be30937ccecb
George Bush doesn't want you forget that he wasn't the only negligent
person that day so he keeps this picture on his website:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p08...
President George W. Bush joins Arizona Senator John McCain in a small
celebration of McCain's 69th birthday Monday, Aug. 29, 2005, after the
President's arrival at Luke Air Force Base near Phoenix. The President
later spoke about Medicare to 400 guests at the Pueblo El Mirage RV
Resort and Country Club in nearby El Mirage. White House photo by Paul
Morse
But, in case politics, or some other reason they decide to bury the
picture, here's other copies on the internet...
http://www.nowpublic.com/node/168089
http://www.nowpublic.com/troop_surge_likely_to_cause_mccain_trouble_down_the_road
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/08/white-house-web-site-shows-bush.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Katrina_Sen.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0097-515h.html
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/8/31/9520/46323
http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline
http://briandeford.blogspot.com/2006/03/let-me-eat-cake.html
http://ascrivenerslament.blogspot.com/2005/08/george-w-bushlet-them-eat-cake.html
http://images.google.com/images?q=McCain%20Bush%20Birthday%20Cake&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tab=wi
Vendicar Decarian
"Shrikeback" <hewpi...@hotmail.com> wrote
> On a related note, Al Gore has 4 kids.
Thank Gawd some intellectuals are reproducing in AmeriKKKa.
Vendicar Decarian
"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote
> Why do you suppose that anyone has the right to decide what
> the future population "should" be???
You have everything backwards as usual. It's not a right. It's a moral
obligation.
Vendicar Decarian
"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote
> There is no reason any person (or persons) should get to
> decide just how crowded the future should be.
Ok, we will have a dispassionate machine do it.
Vendicar Decarian
"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote
> So the Dust Bowl of the 1930s was created by Global Warming..which
> became Global Cooling until recently..when its back to Global Warming
> again?
You still jabbering nonsense about some aledged global cooling that you
have invented?
The last time you started to yammer about that nonsense, we showed how you
were not only a liar in making the claim, but a fool as well.
Shall we repeat history Gunner? You fucking Liar.
Vendicar Decarian
"Bob Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
> You will notice that the Chickens Little of the world have nothing to say
> about how the earth warmed up after the last ice age and all without any
> significant help from humans.
The only chicken littles here are those claiming that Global Warming
Avoidance will cause the economic sky to collapse. That would be you
Boobie.
As to what stopped the last ice age, it is the same as what caused it.
Slow cyclic variance in the earth's orbit.
It's a well established scientific reality. No wonder you are completely
ignorant about it.
Vendicar Decarian
"Bob Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
> No! America is to blame!
AmeriKKKa didn't exist at the time, and AmeriKKKa won't exist in very
short order.
So long Suckers.....
Vendicar Decarian
"Bob Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> That is the natural order of things.
You will capitulate to the limits set for you or die.
Your choice.
Vendicar Decarian
"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote Nothing but Ignorance
Meanwhile...
Royal Society Tells Exxon: Stop Funding Climate Change Denial
September 20, 2006 by the GuardianUK
Royal Society Tells Exxon: Stop Funding Climate Change Denial
by David Adam
Britain's leading scientists have challenged the US oil
company ExxonMobil to stop funding groups that attempt to
undermine the scientific consensus on climate change.
In an unprecedented step, the Royal Society, Britain's premier
scientific academy, has written to the oil giant to demand
that the company withdraws support for dozens of groups that
have "misrepresented the science of climate change by outright
denial of the evidence".
The scientists also strongly criticise the company's public
statements on global warming, which they describe as
"inaccurate and misleading".
In a letter earlier this month to Esso, the UK arm of
ExxonMobil, the Royal Society cites its own survey which found
that ExxonMobil last year distributed $2.9m to 39 groups that
the society says misrepresent the science of climate change.
These include the International Policy Network, a thinktank
with its HQ in London, and the George C Marshall Institute,
which is based in Washington DC. In 2004, the institute
jointly published a report with the UK group the Scientific
Alliance which claimed that global temperature rises were not
related to rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere.
"There is not a robust scientific basis for drawing definitive
and objective conclusions about the effect of human influence
on future climate," it said.
In the letter, Bob Ward of the Royal Society writes: "At our
meeting in July ... you indicated that ExxonMobil would not be
providing any further funding to these organisations. I would
be grateful if you could let me know when ExxonMobil plans to
carry out this pledge."
The letter, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian,
adds: "I would be grateful if you could let me know which
organisations in the UK and other European countries have been
receiving funding so that I can work out which of these have
been similarly providing inaccurate and misleading information
to the public."
This is the first time the society has written to a company to
challenge its activities. The move reflects mounting concern
about the activities of lobby groups that try to undermine the
overwhelming scientific evidence that emissions are linked to
climate change.
The groups, such as the US Competitive Enterprise Institute
(CEI), whose senior figures have described global warming as a
myth, are expected to launch a renewed campaign ahead of a
major new climate change report. The CEI responded to the
recent release of Al Gore's climate change film, An
Inconvenient Truth, with adverts that welcomed increased
carbon dioxide pollution.
The latest report from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change (IPCC), due to be published in February, is
expected to say that climate change could drive the Earth's
temperatures higher than previously predicted.
Mr Ward said: "It is now more crucial than ever that we have a
debate which is properly informed by the science. For people
to be still producing information that misleads people about
climate change is unhelpful. The next IPCC report should give
people the final push that they need to take action and we
can't have people trying to undermine it."
The Royal Society letter also takes issue with ExxonMobil's
own presentation of climate science. It strongly criticises
the company's "corporate citizenship reports", which claim
that "gaps in the scientific basis" make it very difficult to
blame climate change on human activity. The letter says:
"These statements are not consistent with the scientific
literature. It is very difficult to reconcile the
misrepresentations of climate change science in these
documents with ExxonMobil's claim to be an industry leader."
Environmentalists regard ExxonMobil as one of the least
progressive oil companies because, unlike competitors such as
BP and Shell, it has not invested heavily in alternative
energy sources.
ExxonMobil said: "We can confirm that recently we received a
letter from the Royal Society on the topic of climate change.
Amongst other topics our Tomorrow's Energy and Corporate
Citizenship reports explain our views openly and honestly on
climate change. We would refute any suggestion that our
reports are inaccurate or misleading." A spokesman added that
ExxonMobil stopped funding the Competitive Enterprise
Institute this year.
Recent research has made scientists more confident that recent
warming is man-made, a finding endorsed by scientific
academies across the world, including in the US, China and
Brazil.
The Royal Society's move emerged as Chris Rapley, director of
the British Antarctic Survey, warned that the polar ice caps
were breaking up at a faster rate than glaciologists thought
possible, with profound consequences for global sea levels.
Professor Rapley said the change was almost certainly down to
global warming. "It's like opening a window and seeing what's
going on and the message is that it's worse than we thought,"
he said.
Vendicar Decarian
Vendicar Decarian
>> Since when does 120 meters equal 400 to 600 feet?
"Bob Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
> 390 feet. Make me a liar for ten feet.
I think he's wondering where you got the 600 foot figure. Or rather I
think he expects that you have pulled it out of your ass...
Vendicar Decarian
> rise was even greater.
Because as we all know, water flows uphill to smaller buckets given a
choice between a big bucket and a small one.
Vendicar Decarian
Neither change the average height of the ocean.
Vendicar Decarian
"Bob Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
So where did you get the 600 foot figure?
Vendicar Decarian
> kT wrote:>
>> Quote : "sea level was 390 feet (120 m) lower"
"Bob Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
> that is essentially in the 400 - 600 feet range.
No, it's outside the 400 to 600 foot range.
Where did the 600 foot number come from?
Vendicar Decarian
"Bob Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote
> I was off by ten feet on the -mean sea level rise-. Sorry about that.
Where did the 600 foot figure you provided come from?
Vendicar Decarian
"Kent Paul Dolan" <xant...@well.com> wrote
> He gave figures with single digit precision, and to
> single digit precision, 390 feet _is_ "400 feet".
Where did his 600 foot figure come from?
(David P.)
> "Bob Kolker" <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote
>
> > I was off by ten feet on the -mean sea level rise-. Sorry about that.
>
> Where did the 600 foot figure you provided come from?
Don't ask.
.
.
--
(David P.)
> "Kent Paul Dolan" <xanth...@well.com> wrote
>
> > He gave figures with single digit precision, and to
> > single digit precision, 390 feet _is_ "400 feet".
>
> Where did his 600 foot figure come from?
Simon says: "Don't ask!"
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(David P.)
> > kT wrote:>
> >> Quote : "sea level was 390 feet (120 m) lower"
>
>
> > that is essentially in the 400 - 600 feet range.
>
> No, it's outside the 400 to 600 foot range.
>
> Where did the 600 foot number come from?
Simon says: "Don't ask!"
.
.
--
(David P.)
> "Bob Kolker" <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote
Hey! I said:
' ' Simon says: "Don't ask!" ' '
.
.
--
(David P.)
> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Why does anyone have the right to decide that
> > the future should be 50% more crowded???
>
> Why does anyone have the right to decide that
> brain-burned alcoholics should still enjoy
> free speech to clutter up Usenet with idiocy
> like yours, repeated unchanging dozens upon
> dozens of times without you learning a single
> intelligent thought from all the rebuttals
> your imbecile-level "world planning" receives?
Simon says: "Ok, we will have a dispassionate machine do it."
.
.
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(David P.)
>
> Royal Society Tells Exxon: Stop Funding Climate Change Denial
> September 20, 2006 by the GuardianUK
>
>
> Britain's leading scientists have challenged the US oil
> company ExxonMobil to stop funding groups that attempt to
> undermine the scientific consensus on climate change.
H E Y ! ! T H A T ' S S H O V E L W A R E ! ! Y O U
A R E V I O L A T I N G T H E G O L D E N R U L E ! !
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(David P.)
> storage of Colorado river water, Lake Mead and Lake
> Powell, in the 13th consecutive year of drought, are
> at 63% of average capacity, and average capacity is
> nowhere near to "full". The two reservoirs are about
> half full right now.
> Ground water levels are also in crisis. The tourists
> here wish for sun, the residents wish for rain.
BULL ! THE SCHLITZ MALT LIQUOR BULL !!
.
.
--
Vendicar Decarian
"Scott Dorsey" <klu...@panix.com> wrote
> And I for one support this listing. But what about Cartesian bears and
> Gaussian bears? Are they doomed to go without such protections?
> --scott
Scott, after a little tensor analysis and a little calculus, you will find
that they are all really the same bear, just with a few parallel lines
meating at infinity here and a few parametric variables there.
Now Yogi Bear... Now there is a horse of a different color.
Vendicar Decarian
"(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote
> H E Y ! ! T H A T ' S S H O V E L W A R E ! ! Y O U
> A R E V I O L A T I N G T H E G O L D E N R U L E ! !
Unclear...
American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
AAAS Board Statement on Climate Change
--------------------------------------
Approved by the AAAS Board of Directors
9 December 2006
For more information:
The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human
activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.
Accumulating data from across the globe reveal a wide array of effects:
rapidly melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets, increases in
extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts in species ranges, and more. The
pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the
last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now.
The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, a critical greenhouse gas,
is higher than it
has been for at least 650,000 years. The average temperature of the Earth is
heading for levels not experienced for millions of years. Scientific
predictions of the impacts of increasing atmospheric concentrations of
greenhouse gases from fossil fuels and deforestation match observed changes.
As expected, intensification of droughts, heat waves, floods, wildfires, and
severe storms is occurring, with a mounting toll on vulnerable ecosystems
and societies.
These events are early warning signs of even more devastating damage to
come, some of which will be irreversible.
Delaying action to address climate change will increase the environmental
and societal consequences as well as the costs. The longer we wait to tackle
climate change, the harder and more expensive the task will be.
History provides many examples of society confronting grave threats by
mobilizing knowledge and promoting innovation. We need an aggressive
research, development and eployment effort to transform the existing and
future energy systems of the world away from technologies that emit
greenhouse gases. Developing clean energy technologies will provide economic
opportunities and ensure future energy supplies.
In addition to rapidly reducing greenhouse gas emissions, it is essential
that we develop strategies to adapt to ongoing changes and make communities
more resilient to future changes. The growing torrent of information
presents a clear message: we are already experiencing global climate change.
It is time to muster the political will for concerted action. Stronger
leadership at all levels is needed. The time is now. We must rise to the
challenge. We owe this to future generations.
The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific consensus
represented by, for example, the intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(www.ipcc.ch/), and the joint National Academies' statement
(http://nationalacademies. org/onpi/06072005.pdf).