TANGERTAS ARBITRARY MATH : STALLED
Andrea B. Previtera
I feel that my students are disagreeing with the fundamental
axioms of ARBITRARY MATH.
I am disappointed.
Depressed.
I feel like a neperian equation.
I demonstrated Fermat's last theorem falsity.
I offered you the power of the arbitrary math.
I showed you the wonders of non linear notation.
And you are kicking my ass.
I'd better retire in the putrid swamps of Horkllerkgsgrm.
The question is : does someone still need me ?
- Andrea Beniamino Previtera
depressed mathematician
waldby julian f
"Andrea B. Previtera" <and...@instation.it> writes:
>And you are kicking my ass.
>I'd better retire in the putrid swamps of Horkllerkgsgrm.
If someone feels that you are an enemy to be dealt with, amidst all this
bullshit, that someone needs to attend to a serious reality check.
Julian
--
MIKE D: ...extending beyond the traditional. One thing that always
bugs me out is all these people talking about alternative music, well
how fuckin' alternative is a band that has a guitar, a bass player and
drummer playing a bunch of jingly-jangly fuckin bullshit, goddamnit!
Mao Tse-Tung
Dear Andrea Previtera:
> I feel that my students are disagreeing with the fundamental axioms of
ARBITRARY MATH.
> I am disappointed.
> Depressed.
Thank you for your recent public address concerning talk.bizarre's response
to your banal, homespun attempt at educating the unwashed masses using some
chlorinated water, a copper spoon, and a magnet, going on and on in a
circumlocutory and niggling fashion so as to alienate any "students" and
generate acrimony from the remainder of the reading population. It's not
that you don't have some far-cry twee arrogant point to prove to someone,
but your contrite manner in removing yourself from the newsgroup and
dragging your stinking mass of sodden logistics and mathematical Gongorisms
is not going to even dampen one of these hazy eyes constituting your
audience, neither will it impress anyone, rather, we find you and your
whole ordeal sickening and banal. No matter how trite you view the rest of
the newsgroup to be, it has in the past and will continue to have its own
flow with concentrated bleach in its ebbing and tiding, to which YOUR
addition is more than sufficient to sour the mixture. Mathematics and all
"logically"-related or -associated topics have no place in my realm, or the
realm of the bizarre. I am a writer, not a dreamer. And I may BE the only
one, but I'm still stronger than you and I will eventually conquer your
logistical bullshit and have you thrown out on your ear. Take your
horseshit and pack of snake-oil and go somewhere far away and use them to
cook dinner. THIS campfire's taken.
We are glad that you are depressed.
We are glad that you are depressed.
> And you are kicking my ass.
And I will continue kicking your ass until it finds its way out the window.
> The question is : does someone still need me ?
No. To even pose such a question is ridiculous.
waldby julian f
"Mao Tse-Tung" <cd...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>addition is more than sufficient to sour the mixture. Mathematics and all
>"logically"-related or -associated topics have no place in my realm, or the
>realm of the bizarre.
Why don't you believe in mathematics?
What area of mathematics are you disdaining when you make these
statements? Algebra? Geometry? Discrete combinatorics? Real analysis?
Mathematics are useful for progress. They are a weapon which can be
applied to many problems in many disciplines.
Julian
--
A vertex of degree 0 is called isolated. It follows that an isolated
vertex is not adjacent to any vertex. A vertex is pendant if and only
if it has degree 1. Consequently, a pendant vertex is adjacent to
exactly one other vertex.
Mao Tse-Tung
> >addition is more than sufficient to sour the mixture. Mathematics and
all
> >"logically"-related or -associated topics have no place in my realm, or
the
> >realm of the bizarre.
>
> Why don't you believe in mathematics?
I AM SOOOOOOOO GLAD YOU ASKED!!!!!! Here's the snippet from an email
conversation I had circa 11 January 1998, pay attention to the part between
my newly-added asterisks (this:*<-but not THAT one, the next one, aagg) and
you will finally all be able to SEE the truth about the branches of
education and their worth- (oh, btw, the single->ed text is Mao, the
double-> is correspondent, and the three-> is Mao in previous message.)
> > > So the formation of things you say is unplanned, unmediated? How,
then, can
> > > complexities like genetics exist? I mean, on such a scheduled basis?
If the
> > > formation of simple things (gases, say) can arise out of a nonordered
> > > formative generational abstract (as we are calling chaos for this
> > > paragraph) then how can it be so damned reliable to always produce
same?
> > > Reproduction.... well, see my Wittgenstein post and the virus theme
in
> > > nature stuff. Reproduction is completely covered there in only a few
dozen
> > > pages. I think it would be fair to give this theory credence given
that you
> > > confine it to the regulation of MISBEGOTTEN (unfathered, bastard)
things:
> > > in that, given the reproduction theme as arising out of predetermined
> > > chemical blueprints (genetics) already covers all acts that are
randomly
> > > PRODUCED BY given entities. That's fair...
>
> > I submit that the phrase "no defined order" is an important piece of
the
> > puzzle. The definition of "chaos" will be made null and void once the
> > order is defined/determined. (No, I am not playing words here.) Man
> > refuses to accept the idea of pure chaos and, in fact, cannot accept
> > that there is a state of no "cause and effect" (other than the State of
> > Colorado).
>
> That's understood. Once we can define the order (if ANY, that's the
hitch)
> of chaos, we can put it down on paper as a definite process, which it IS
> NOT, otherwise we'd already have it down. It's too simple a process to be
> confined within complexities of philosophical or mathematical/scientific
> formulas, patterns, CLASSIFICATION.
>************* See, the simplest that science can get
> is binary (banal): | conjugates with | to form || in the simplest of
> biochemical exchanges. Mathematics is so absolutely anal that it goes TOO
> far, feeling the need to SPLIT each and every number into an infinite
> possible number of fractional numbers inbetween the next (i.e. "how many
> numbers are there between 1 and 2? Well what about
>
1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009?
> What if we added ANOTHER zero? That would only be splitting THAT number
in
> half!") See why I HATE mathematicians?? but it only splits these numbers
> ACCORDING to numbers: i.e. in hexadecimal notation or septadecimal (uh, I
> think that term has been replaced) notation where the number three does
not
> exist in the counting numbers and other IMPOSSIBILITIES... Philo-sophy,
on
> the other hand, is even more trite and consumed rthan even mathematics,
and
> therefore gets NOTHING accomplished: In a philosophical argument of a
> reality, one must take a certain preordained stance (which replaces the
> scientific method, by the way, which you will understand is cheating,
> becuase without the scientific method, nothing can be conclusively proven
> to exist; this is the key) which regulates JUST WHICH questions are
allowed
> to be asked and in what power they are allowed to be, so that a solution
to
> a problem must be an off-hybrid of both theories, given that there were
> only two people discussing it (which NEVER happens, these people clump
> together like cockroaches) and thus it banters back and fro past the late
> stages of Eternity (nova). Why I say we cannot solve anything with logic
is
> that I interject chaos into the given problem, aand thus none of the
above
> (mathematics, (spit) philo-sophy (spit hack) or science (mumble) ) can be
> used to solve it because one aspect, chaos, is completely unfounded in
> their makeups. Logic is too heavily reliant upon binary terms: true or
> false, right or wrong, positive or negative, to be able to put a tag on
> something so easily fluctuable as chaotic formulation.******************
> (note: there is a
> mathematical concept labelled "chaos theory" but it is so far removed
from
> our current definition of chaos as a formative or a process that it
cannot
> be applied, it is a geometric terminology, see the Fractal formation
> theories (absolute height of ridiculousless, if you want a good laugh ask
> me about THAT...) )
...<cut to other part of message>
> > Within these bounds, you may
> > rage and express violent or other urges but they (another assumption)
do
> > not break through the shell. All this is reminiscent of my screensaver,
> > a shareware "moire" pattern, that perpetually explodes but cannot
escape
> > the edges of the screen. (I spent an hour-and-a-half of sobriety one
day
> > studying it and allowing it to create hundreds of half-formed thoughts
> > in my head. It did not penetrate my physical world and I could not
> > infiltrate it-tho' I tried.)
>
> Yes, amusing. This is why mathematical reasoning has no real place in
> reality. If it was to MAKE sense, then you would have simply said: "Oh. A
> complex equation. I see." and become disinterested with it. But the human
> mind works in infinite elecrochemical domains, and that's the magic of
it.
...<cut to later part of message>
> > Mathematics is simply another attempt to comprehend our lack of
> > comprehension. It is no different (and no less) than any other
> > philosophy, theology, science, language. We need, for some reason, to
> > categorize and label all the stimuli we experience.
>
> (gloria gets fucked in the wind, in the wind) You're desperately wrong
> about language. It is the nature of the beast. Mathematics is
logic-based.
> Language IS NOT. (see, sigh, wittgenstein post... also electronic
> revolution stuff AND …
<cut off> <Continued>
> > We will
> > accept and embrace any fiction or partial truth that satisfies our
> > limited understanding.
>
> We may, some of us, but those of us who understand this need not DO it.
> ************* For
> example I do not settle on the easiest definition (logic style) that most
> people do,*********** and I venture to say that neither do you if you
> can say that...
> and what's even better, it's easy to amuse me but difficult to PELASE me.
> Ultraistic nature saves the DAY!
<cut to next segment, by the by, the four-> text is correspondent in
previous message>
> > > > about it, the more I realized that I was painting myself into a
corner
> > > > or, at the very least, going around in vulgar philosphical (i.e.
>
> > > STAY AWAY FROM THE PHILO-SOPHY!!! You should know by now what an
IDIOT'S
> > > GAME it is (see my wonderful descriptions of it metaphorically and
> > > otherwise in t.b, Tormenting That Buzzard kid.) and know the risks.
It is
> > > only for those whose minds are so useless that they cannot come to a
single
> > > conclusion on the simplest of arguments easily proven for them.
Doddering
> > > comes to mind.
>
> > Stay away from philosophy? Are we not currently embroiled in philosphic
> > discussion? No, you mean stay away from the store-bought philosophy,
the
> > pre-canned and pre-digested variations, do you not?....
>
> I mean ALL of it:
>
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=306327773&CONTEXT=884565128.1504510144&h
itnum=3
> -a brief definition of philo-sophy
>
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=277487625&CONTEXT=884565128.1504510144&h
itnum=1
> - a bit of MAO philo-sophy (note common differences)
>
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=307816130&CONTEXT=884565128.1504510144&h
itnum=2
> -some Mao-styled RESPONSE to the methods of philoposhers (intended,
> meaningful sp)
>
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=285220276&CONTEXT=884565128.1504510144&h
itnum=4
> -Some of the more humorous-as-it-progresses
> Mao-argues-philadelphisopftly...
>
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=287558478&CONTEXT=884565128.1504510144&h
itnum=5
> -hee hee hee, this is just one of those posts like a doering-file that
> guaranteedly WILL make you laugh at least a few times... It did ME... I
> have so much MATERIAL it seems when I get at the LEAST pissed off! Hee
hee
> hee!! Also it contains another t.ber stating that philo-sophy doesn't
> belong here, either... support? gasp! ...This was QUITE amusing...
>
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=285220276&CONTEXT=884565128.1504510144&h
itnum=6
> -I think that was a redundant link... sorry.... Seems like part of the
> above thread, ignore if you've already read it...
>
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=259584790&CONTEXT=884565128.1504510144&h
itnum=7
>-HAW HAW HAW I remember this... It even got me VOTES it turned out to be
so
> funny... Mao Berates Upstart College Student, Gets Him To Leave... It's
> almost as good at the latest doering-revue... whoo. I went to some
trouble
> putting that one up...(biggest joke is the LAST THREE, FOUR LINES....
tell
> me if you see it...)
>
http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=259612007&CONTEXT=884565128.1504510144&h
itnum=8
<And from a much more violent response to the response to this letter>
> > Hate the instinct. I hate managers, supervisors, executives, low-lifes,
> > high-lifes and the hair in my ears. Mathematics is valid but only a
> > partial definition of the Absolute Truth.
>
> Wait a second now you lowlife scotch-brite asskissing motherfucker, but I
> don't recall where mathematics is at all VALID to anything: it's based on
> NUMBERS AND NUMBERS ARE HYPOTHETICAL!!!!! SHOW ME A FUCKING NUMBER
> OCCURRING NATURALLY IN NATURE!! WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE??? NOTHING!!!
> ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NUMBERS ARE SIMPLY HYPOTHETICaL
> THEORIES THAT IDIOTS USE TO QUANTIFY THINGS, THEY HAVE NO BASIS IN
> REALITY!! A CONCEPT! THere is no TRUTH. If there was, """"logic"""""
would
> be way the hell and gone out of it. GUARANTEED.
> Where are you getting your information NOW? How much will you pull out of
> your ass and slap on my table as if I'm supposed to look at it as if it
> were some kind of PRIZE? I can't believe this! This is sheer flaming
> fucking idiocy, plain and simple.
> What area of mathematics are you disdaining when you make these
> statements? Algebra? Geometry? Discrete combinatorics? Real analysis?
ALL OF IT. It's based on the "l-word" and as I have painstakingly cut and
pasted (adding those >s is a real pain in the ass) to explain, that means
nothing. Numbers mean nothing. No one can prove otherwise. It's a simple
matter of accepting reality that mathematics even exists. To prove itself
wrong.
> Mathematics are useful for progress. They are a weapon which can be
> applied to many problems in many disciplines.
......read the exegesis that I wrote....
Ilana Stern
Math, math, wonderful math
Stranger behavior than Sylvia Plath
No greater love for his fellow man hath
Than the one who is teaching us math!
Please, sir. Post us some math that RHYMES!
boar dome
In article <34F44A...@ncar.ucar.edu>,
An aleph null here and infinity there,
rhymeless math'matics i just cannot bear!
With natural log and a cosine of pi,
oh, assonant calculus, happy am i!
rone
doggerel-style
--
Chaining yourself to a stump isn't civil disobedience unless you're really
against stump-chaining laws.
- gomi no sensei <go...@best.com>
Scott Dorsey
In article <34F44A...@ncar.ucar.edu> Ilana Stern <il...@ncar.ucar.edu> writes:
>
>Please, sir. Post us some math that RHYMES!
X equals negative B,
Plus or minus the root
Of B squared minus four AC,
Divided by two A.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Lisa Chabot
"e to the x, d u dx, e to the x, dx" etc?
.
. beware the gibbermath, my child node
.
--
non-spam can be sent to lsc at this ISP
Me and my trenchant mouth. --Homer Simpson
Andrea B. Previtera
"exegesis"...you made me laugh
mistergiggles
Ilana Stern in 6 lines:
|o| Math, math, wonderful math
|o| Stranger behavior than Sylvia Plath
|o| No greater love for his fellow man hath
|o| Than the one who is teaching us math!
|o|
|o| Please, sir. Post us some math that RHYMES!
There once was a lady named null
Who thought this was awfully dull
So she picked up a fraction
And got herself action
And now she's five quarters full
Or something.
Paul Strong
Ilana Stern (il...@ncar.ucar.edu) wrote:
: Math, math, wonderful math
: Stranger behavior than Sylvia Plath
: No greater love for his fellow man hath
: Than the one who is teaching us math!
: Please, sir. Post us some math that RHYMES!
There was a brilliant love poem written in mathematical idiom, which i
have forgotten the name of, and I can't remember the author's name
either. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?
Paul
Darren Spiteri
12 + 144 + 20 + 3/4
------------------- + 5(11) = 9^2 + 0
7
A dozen, a gross and a score,
plus three times the square root of four,
divided by seven
plus five times eleven
equals nine squared and nothing more.
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The Reverse Psychology Major
Darren Spiteri wrote in message <19980227.1...@Spam-Free.UUCP>...
>> Ilana Stern <il...@ncar.ucar.edu> wrote:
>> >Please, sir. Post us some math that RHYMES!
> __
> 12 + 144 + 20 + 3/4
> ------------------- + 5(11) = 9^2 + 0
> 7
>
>A dozen, a gross and a score,
>plus three times the square root of four,
>divided by seven
>plus five times eleven
>equals nine squared and nothing more.
'
... now take a drink and say it again.
beelzibub
ps;
party games-r-we
this is my chess set. it's one of the best chess sets in the world.
i know what you're askin' yourself 'should i sacrifice my queen
or not'? well, to tell you the truth, in all the confusion i kinda lost
track myself. so you gotta ask yourself one question. 'will it make
the king fall'? huh? will it punk? will it'? go for it, make the move.
Ilana Stern
Paul Strong wrote:
> have forgotten the name of, and I can't remember the author's name
> either. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?
SSC: I know what the hell you're talking about, and I have
it at home, in a collection of stories and poems edited by
Clifton Fadiman. "The Mathematician to His Love."
Dan Haggarty
In article <6d5b6k$g...@ccshst05.uoguelph.ca>,
>: Stranger behavior than Sylvia Plath
>: No greater love for his fellow man hath
>: Than the one who is teaching us math!
>
>
>There was a brilliant love poem written in mathematical idiom, which i
>have forgotten the name of, and I can't remember the author's name
>either. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?
Well, Robert Service (yes, *that* Robert Service) wrote:
"There once was a square,
such a cute little square,
and he loved a trim triangle.
But she was a flirt
and around her skirt
vainly she made him dangle...."
As I recall, the triangle ended up marrying a cube because she liked his
depth and mothered a set of pyramids.
--
Average behaviour produces average results. Nonconformity is thus
necessary (but not sufficient) if you want exceptional results.
Lisa Chabot
Dave Brown <dagb...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>Lisa Chabot <lscdoesntea...@netcom.com> wrote:
>: "e to the x, d u dx, e to the x, dx" etc?
>
>I think I heard that in the introduction to a Namie Amuro song
>once. I guess that makes this a tentative AttributionDammit.
Ancient gnurd lore, actually.
.
. found inscribed in a cavern beneath the 'ancient dreams of man and bird alike'
.
.
.
. (near "_dirac-delta_del_dot_duck_")
Paul Strong
Ilana Stern (il...@ncar.ucar.edu) wrote:: > : Please, sir. Post us some math that RHYMES!
: >
: > There was a brilliant love poem written in mathematical idiom, which i
: > have forgotten the name of, and I can't remember the author's name
: > either. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?
: SSC: I know what the hell you're talking about, and I have
: it at home, in a collection of stories and poems edited by
: Clifton Fadiman. "The Mathematician to His Love."
Thanks. I'll go find it in the library...
Paul
the GOD of Bizarre BOW Slave
one word no two YOU SUCK******THE MAN*******who is in town with a
mission****
BadGirl
the GOD of Bizarre BOW Slave <SunO...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<6db2d1$1id$1...@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> one word no two YOU SUCK******THE MAN*******who is in town with a
> mission****
I have a mission for you sweets... sit down and shut up before someone
takes your toys away :)
BadGirl
Dan Haggarty
Ilana Stern <il...@ncar.ucar.edu> wrote:
>Paul Strong wrote:
>> Ilana Stern (il...@ncar.ucar.edu) wrote:
>> : Please, sir. Post us some math that RHYMES!
>>
>> There was a brilliant love poem written in mathematical idiom, which i
>> have forgotten the name of, and I can't remember the author's name
>> either. Anyone know what the hell I'm talking about?
>
>SSC: I know what the hell you're talking about, and I have
>it at home, in a collection of stories and poems edited by
>Clifton Fadiman. "The Mathematician to His Love."
In Trurl's_Electronic_Bard, one of the stories in The_Cyberiad: Fables_for_
the_Cybernetic_Age by Stanislaw Lem, Trurl builds a machine to write poetry.
Klapaucius, his associate, in an attempt to discredit the machine, asks it
to write "a love poem, lyrical, pastorial, and expressed in the language of
pure mathematics. Tensor algebra mainly, with a little topology and higher
calculus, if need be." The machine responds with:
"Come, let us hasten to a higher plane,
Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn,
Their indices bedecked from one to n,
Commingled in an endless Markov chain!
Come, every frustum longs to be a cone,
And every vector dreams of matrices.
Hark to the gentle gradient of the breeze:
It whispers of a more ergodic zone.
In Riemann, Hilbert or in Banach space
Let superscripts and subscripts go their ways.
Our asymptotes no longer out of phase,
We shall encounter, counting, face to face.
I'll grant thee random access to my heart,
Thou'lt tell me all the constants of thy love;
And so we two shall all love's lemmas prove,
And in our bound partition never part.
For what did Cauchy know, or Christoffel,
Or Fourier, or any Boole or Euler,
Wielding their compasses, their pens and rulers,
Of they supernal sinusoidal spell?
Cancel me not -- for what then shall remain?
Abscissas, some mantissas, modules, modes,
A root or two, a torus and a node:
The inverse of my verse, a null domain.
Ellipse of bliss, converge, O lips divine!
The produce of our scalars is defined!
Cyberiad draws nigh, and the skew mind
Cuts capers like a happy haversine.
I see the eigenvalue in thine eye,
I hear the tender tensor in thy sigh.
Bernoulli would have been content to die,
Had he but known such a squared cos two phi!"
waldby julian f
hagg...@interlog.com (Dan Haggarty) writes:
>Or Fourier, or any Boole or Euler,
>Wielding their compasses, their pens and rulers,
A comment: Euler's name is properly pronounced "oiler".
lindsay stewart
i used to know a bad girl
she was really bad
i liked that about her
she would drink more
curse wickedly
and fight anybody
she was tall and thin
had raven hair
and liked to fuck
tell me about yourself
liz
Just Me
lindsay stewart <lste...@golden.net> wrote in article
<34F9EB...@golden.net>...
> BadGirl wrote:
>
>
> i used to know a bad girl
> she was really bad
> i liked that about her
>
> she would drink more
> curse wickedly
> and fight anybody
>
> she was tall and thin
> had raven hair
> and liked to fuck
>
> tell me about yourself
>
> liz
Where do you know this badgirl from? You seem to know somethings about me
:)
BadGirl
Sean T Barrett
yourself outside our group;
we don't need all this poop.
>******THE MAN*******who is in town with a mission****
buzzard
Paul Strong
Dan Haggarty (hagg...@interlog.com) wrote:
: In Trurl's_Electronic_Bard, one of the stories in The_Cyberiad: Fables_for_
: the_Cybernetic_Age by Stanislaw Lem, Trurl builds a machine to write poetry.
: Klapaucius, his associate, in an attempt to discredit the machine, asks it
: to write "a love poem, lyrical, pastorial, and expressed in the language of
: pure mathematics. Tensor algebra mainly, with a little topology and higher
: calculus, if need be." The machine responds with:
I had forgotten this one, though it was not the one I had in mind. And I
don't even have to go to the library to get it--thanks for reminding me.
Paul
The Reverse Psychology Major
the GOD of Bizarre BOW Slave wrote in message
<6db2d1$1id$1...@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
one word no two YOU SUCK******THE MAN*******who is in town with a
mission****
... you are lame. you're breath smells like a penis AND you are wrong:
top ten things that really suck.
--------------------------------
10. punctured lungs
9. vacuum cleaners
8. straws
7. aquarium filters
6. certain people [ if you know what i mean ]
5. lollipops
4. swimming pool filters
3. vampires
2. leeches
ready ...
1. k-mart!!! {ask raymond babbit}
beelzibub
ps;
now fuck off
Keith A. Lewis
d(Ax) = A dx
d(e^x) = e^x dx
d(i^x) = pi/2 (cos(pi x / 2) - i sin(pi x / 2)) dx
d(0) = 0
Dicky di doh d u do
Dicky di doh do.
--Keith Lewis kle...@clark.net
PGP key available. http://www.clark.net/pub/klewis/
Kent Paul Dolan
In article <6dcl7g$erj$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
>>Or Fourier, or any Boole or Euler,
>>Wielding their compasses, their pens and rulers,
>A comment: Euler's name is properly pronounced "oiler".
It was my understanding that Lem's works were _translated_ into English
(from Polish?); given that, having the poem make any impression of
being a poem still is little short of a miracle. I think we can safely
forgive that the translator misunderstood the correct pronunciation of
a name from still a third language.
Xanthian.
--
Kent, the man from xanth.
Kent Paul Dolan.
<xant...@well.com>
Kevin "Cujo" Fries
Kent Paul Dolan <xant...@well.com> wrote in article
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> It was my understanding that Lem's works were _translated_ into English
> (from Polish?); given that, having the poem make any impression of
> being a poem still is little short of a miracle. I think we can safely
> forgive that the translator misunderstood the correct pronunciation of
> a name from still a third language.
powerful despite English being not his native languge amazes me to this
day. To be honest, I don't know that there is a Polish version of his
works. If there is, I suspect it is translated into Polish from the
original English. This always made him unique to me.
Warning: I could be wrong, some lying shitheel of a publicist could be
laughing at me now.
Sean T Barrett
Kevin \"Cujo\" Fries <kfr...@eatshitspamnewts.cyberramp.com> wrote:
>> Lem
>No. He's a Polish writer who writes in English.
>
>laughing at me now.
From Hofstadter's "Le Ton beau de Marot" (about translation, you'll recall):
(p.50)
My study of Polish had encouraged me to obtain a couple of books by
the famous Polish science-fiction write Stanislaw Lem in their original
language. I knew that Lem was fond of linguistic games and wordplay, and
had seen some of his books in English but not read any. I had also been
told that the English translations by Michael Kandel were brilliant beyond
description.
However, he also makes this comment to a friend in
a letter dated 1980:
Are you familiar with the work of Stanislaw Lem, the Polish
science-fiction writer? His translator, Michael Kandel, is
extremely good. The wordplay is rendered so excellently in
English that it is hard to conceive that it was not written
in English originally. [*]
So don't worry, you're not the only person who's been so fooled.
buzzard
[*] fortune shines upon us all; he does the equivalent of this
himself using non-monospaced fonts, so he was equally lucky that
he could quote from his letter and still have a nice right margin.