Mike Huckabee & Christians, Praise Jesus! The End Of The World Is Imminent...
Daniel
>I'm looking at a modern-day miracle happening right on TV.
>I call him Miracle Mike Huckabee.
>Mike is far more "normal" than Ron or any of the other candidates.
>And, he's showing he can win without a lot of financial backing.
>He's really the "different" candidate. He's not a lawyer. He's not
>supported by the Corporate Protecorate. He's not an inside the Beltway
>Professional Politician.
>Mike's getting votes because he clicks with middle America Christians
>one-on-one, face-to-face, vote-by-vote. Here's a conservative who
>understands people. His years as a preacher gives him insights into America
>no one of the other candidates have. Yet, he is not a flaming lib. How do
>you figure that?
>Mike is something very new. He's fresh. He's different. He's honest.
>He's fair.
>Mike could be the first President actually elected by the people. That's
>what the founders intended Presidents to be in the first place.
>You and your anti-war teenagers and hippy clique will only take Ron Paul so
>far. Most of the country wants someone who understands and is willing to
>fight a just war against radical Islamists. And, who better than Mike
>Huckabee who, with his Christian background can see and take advantage of
>the weaknesses of the Osama Bin Ladens of the world. Mike is willing to
>stand against this evil. Paul wants to run away from it.
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Huckabee is rather likable, and the fact that he isn't a greedy,
self-serving, back-stabbing, money-grubbing lawyer bodes better
for him (far better in fact), than for sinners who do otherwise.
It's easy to see how an articulate, non-lawyer southern baptist
Christian politician is appealing to the conservative Americans
at this very late -- extremely late(!) -- date in world history.
If only eradicating antichrists from the face of the globe were
that simple. Jesus says very nearly the entire human race shall
certainly die during the worldwide tribulation, Armageddon unto
the end of the world, more so than in Noah's days, before Jesus
can return and claim His throne as reigning King over humankind.
If Huckabee actually is a bible scholar, then he must know this;
thus he must also realize that the time of the end is imminent...
So, regardless of whatever "good intentions" Huckabee may have,
he's walking into the lion's den, you know, like Ronald Reagan
said, "one nation By the lawyers and For the lawyers". You see,
the reality of politics is as it has ever been, you either buy
them off or you kill them off. That's the U.S. Government & Co.
in a nutshell. Jesus called them the whore of Babylon, and the
U.S. Military & Co. the invincible beast she rides. That's more
than a grim assessment, but is Apocalyptic prophecy manifesting
in corporeal reality. And the long-awaited December 21, 2012 is
barely five years away, and fast ticking away, at this writing!
So it makes no difference who does, or does not, get "elected",
neither does it matter that the 2008 presidential election is
going to be cancelled due to the WOB's unbridled love of money,
absolute power and control over everything and everyone of the
world, utterly without God. Thus the term A-Theist really does
mean "without Theos", without YHWH, Deus, Zeus, Jehovah, IOVIS,
Jupiter, particularly in the intensive-singular of the elohiym
(I know, the "fundies" have a problem with different languages).
Thus, owing to their absolute power, the U.S. Government & Co.,
through their devout worship of the almighty dollar "In God We
Trust", have become, absolutely without historical compare, the
number one most corrupt most Anti-Christian Atheist world power
in history, and pre-history, of the whole human race: worse than
in the days of Noah leading up to the flood. Woe unto the empire!
So, given the extremely DIRE circumstances of this profane world,
meaning the entire inhabited earth, there is no possibility that
any "presidential election" could change anything at all, if not
for the worse (and it shall get incredibly worse, and incredibly
rapidly(!), before it only gradually gets better, so take solace,
knowing our reward is in heaven, and into the new heaven and new
earth, not of this old [4th] empire of iron mixed with miry clay;
nearly _all_ of us are going to die within the next few years, so
accept death, and prepare to enter through Pluto's outer, one-way
door into the Light: accept God's Perfect Judgment into Purgatory,
that your soul doesn't get trapped in Dark Limbo, down into Hell).
Seemingly good-natured well-meaning souls mortally-incarnate like
Mike Huckabee can talk about fighting corruption, the I.R.S., etc
ad nauseam, but like Jesus said, easier to thread the whole camel
alive through the eye of a needle, than for evildoers of worldly
power to willingly share--much less surrender--their oligarchic,
draconian, imperialistic, dictatorial power over the whole world,
all which is sustained & promoted through negative reinforcement,
the keyword here being *FORCE* and the threat of *FORCE*. They've
got absolute ownership and control over all the big Lawyers, Guns,
and Money (and not always necessarily in that order), seeing that
their devout love of mammon, their gods of gold & gods of silver,
is not merely "everything" to them, but is of the most paramount
importance of all ergo the only thing, to paraphrase Oscar Wilde.
So you see, what it's all coming down to is this: Jesus Christ is
returning to claim and enforce His unassailable throne upon Earth,
His property, His planet. Thus the earth must be purged to clear
the way for His return with the Dark clouds, just like the bible
says. Thus describes WWIII in its simplest terms: the battle of
the all-powerful ruling Atheists Vs. the lowly powerless Theists.
I.e., the battle of those without God (the U.S. Government & Co.)
versus those with God (the poor, the meek, exiguous and tenuous,
who have no Lawyers, no Guns, and no Money at all). And thus you
see the decisive advantage for the utterly powerless Theists: is
Theists have no worldly power at all, but only God Himself wields
the Almighty, tremendous Power, to nuclear and biological weapons,
and the incoming seven stadia, all necessary to resoundingly, and
to the Ages of Ages, DESTROY Atheists (until Satan is loosed again).
You see, that's the ultimate disadvantage of being an Atheist: God
is your Immortal enemy! The hand of God, the Rock of Ages, even the
Stone which the builders rejected, He shall pulverize you to rubble,
and the four winds shall utterly blow you away to global Extinction.
This is why some American Judas (be this one man, else more likely
a group of men) within the U.S. Military are of one consensus with
the subordinate kings of the earth whom they have been protecting
at the behest of she who made those agreements (formal and secret)
with them--which agreements shall most assuredly perish in flames.
Thus for the same aforesaid hour (that's one real-time hour of one
day of one month of one year--and is verily imminent this one hour
to strike), the potency behind the beast these kings are accepting.
Then how quickly the dominos fall in her incendiary wake until the
midst of the week likewise foreordained, and the interpretation is
made clear even to the most dyed-in-the-wool Atheists of the world.
Meanwhile, their thought-police are sure to continue squeezing any
dissenters out of the picture, i.e. as many who do not worship the
image of the beast, which is, at its very root, the love of money,
i.e. self-magnification and mammon-worship, namely she who in the
heart of hers she is saying I am sitting a queen, and a widow not
I am, and mourning not I will be seeing [ref. Apocalypse 18:7,eV.].
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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IbeDavid
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REPLY: Is Huckabee prolife or prodeath ? I wouldnt vote for ANY
Politician who gives liberty to dismembering innocent developing
Americans while in the womb for the major reason of Sexual Hedonism
(accounting for 95% of all abortions).
David V.
>
> REPLY: Is Huckabee prolife or prodeath ?
Being pro choice is being pro life.
> I wouldnt vote for ANY
> Politician who gives liberty to dismembering innocent developing
> Americans while in the womb for the major reason of Sexual Hedonism
> (accounting for 95% of all abortions).
Your mother should have been pro choice.
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You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents,
not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
- Abbie Hoffman
David V.
>
> It's easy to see how an articulate, non-lawyer southern
> baptist Christian politician is appealing to the conservative
> Americans at this very late -- extremely late(!) -- date in
> world history.
I can see that, and I can see how it has caused the deaths of
over a million innocent people. It seems that many of those you
speak of are getting busted for immoral behavior. You should like
Rudy Juliani. He stands for "family values." He's had those
values with 5 families now. What I cannot understand is why those
"conservative" Americans find such deceitful people so appealing.
Nomen Nescio
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, IbeDavid <norm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 4, 5:23 pm, Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote:
>> On Tue 4 Dec 2007 "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
><snips>
>
>REPLY: Is Huckabee prolife or prodeath ? I wouldnt vote for ANY
>Politician who gives liberty to dismembering innocent developing
>Americans while in the womb for the major reason of Sexual Hedonism
>(accounting for 95% of all abortions).
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If you can believe what politicians say in public, then the answer
is that Huckabee claims to believe that life begins at conception:
But it's all merely academic at this point, seeing that the 2008
election will be cancelled, and far more importantly is the great
tribulation, Armageddon unto end of the world, is clearly imminent,
and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, neither postpone it:
any more than they can stop the revolutions of the planets in orbit.
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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David V.
>
> But it's all merely academic at this point, seeing that the
> 2008 election will be cancelled, and far more importantly is
> the great tribulation, Armageddon unto end of the world, is
> clearly imminent, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop
> it, neither postpone it: any more than they can stop the
> revolutions of the planets in orbit.
Do you own any property, houses, cars? I'll buy it all for $100
now and take possession in December 2008. If you're right, you get
$100 and I get nothing. Do we have a deal?
Ken
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It ALWAYS cums down to sex with you, ya friggin homo.
SO....I guess you won't be voting for yourself anytime soon, unless
you somehow alter history and delete that ABORTION you "encouraged" on
your little underaged spermbank?
EHWol...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why do you post this in alt.astrology? Huckabee will never be
president. The 35% of Christian right wing nutbars have so informed
the other 65% of us about how dangerous and destructive it is to have
a religious goon in the whitehouse (i.e. George W. Bush) that believes
crap like people used to ride dinosaurs and other mindless crap, that
we will ALL be voting this time to make sure that the truer populace
is represented this time.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(c) 2007 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
The Sun http://www.edmondwollmann.com/
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IbeDavid
REPLY: Your not a very nice person . Whats up with your uncontrollable
hostility ? Thanks.
GW Bush: War Criminal
> From: Daniel <babylon@usa>
>
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, IbeDavid <norm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 4, 5:23 pm, Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote:
> >> On Tue 4 Dec 2007 "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
> ><snips>
> >
> >REPLY: Is Huckabee prolife or prodeath ? I wouldnt vote for ANY
> >Politician who gives liberty to dismembering innocent developing
> >Americans while in the womb for the major reason of Sexual Hedonism
> >(accounting for 95% of all abortions).
>
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> If you can believe what politicians say in public, then the answer
> is that Huckabee claims to believe that life begins at conception:
[...]
> But it's all merely academic at this point, seeing that the 2008
> election will be cancelled,
Busharraf!
> and far more importantly is the great tribulation, Armageddon unto end of
> the world, is clearly imminent,
Oh, sure.
Again.
What happened to teh 'Great Khan of Terror', Danny?
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Ken
>
>
> REPLY: Your not a very nice person . Whats up with your uncontrollable
> hostility ?
Well, Dumbwit he's probably a bit like me in that he doesn't like
TROLLING RELIGIOUS ASSHOLES like you who think they're better than
everyone else
David V.
> Your not a very nice person .
Everyone you've cross posted this to knows you are not a nice person.
> Whats up with your uncontrollable hostility ?
What's up with your uncontrollable arrogance?
Now, are you going to sell me any property, houses or cars you
own? If not, that proves you don't actually believe the silliness
you're spewing.
Ken
<norman...@gmail.com> wrote this crap
> REPLY: Is Huckabee prolife or prodeath ? I wouldnt vote for ANY
> Politician who gives liberty to dismembering innocent developing
> Americans while in the womb for the major reason of Sexual Hedonism
> (accounting for 95% of all abortions).
Who give a shit?...Huckabee's another creationist Xtian nutcase who
has about as much chance of getting elected president as I do
brian henke
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>>Mike could be the first President actually elected by the people. That's
>>what the founders intended Presidents to be in the first place.
No it isn't. The original intention of the founders was that the individual
states (governors and/or legislatures) would appoint electors who would
then convene and choose a President (and Vice-President). All of this was
to place insulating layers between the people and the actual choosing of
the President.
It wasn't until after the 4th Presidential election (1800) that the
selection and charge of the Electoral College was changed to make it more
responsive to the people, and the Vice-President be a separate elective
office, rather than just the person with the second most electoral votes.
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Unique
c7ba4fa930b81fa2...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net,
> Huckabee is rather likable,
Beneath that charming exterior lies a very talented and calculating
politican who would impose his "Christian Values" on everyone else.
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If you like him, Danny Joe, that's a good enough reason for sane
people to hate him.
Rick
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Patty Winter
In article , Rick <videoj...@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:
>"Unique" <akjs...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote in message
>news:47571835$0$27943$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> politican who would impose his "Christian Values" on everyone else.
>>
(1) Trimming quotes.
(2) Not cross-posting to off-topic Usenet groups.
Rick
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Aren't presidential topics on topic since the candidates are on TV? And
still waiting for a definition of Christian Values.
David V.
> "Unique" <akjs...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote in message
> news:47571835$0$27943$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
>>Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote in message:
>>c7ba4fa930b81fa2...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net,
>>
>>
>>>Huckabee is rather likable,
>>
>>Beneath that charming exterior lies a very talented and calculating
>>politican who would impose his "Christian Values" on everyone else.
>
Blind adherence to anyone claiming "christian values."
Rick
"David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm still looking for one but I guess I'm asking for too much.
David V.
> "David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> "Unique" <akjs...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote in message
>>> news:47571835$0$27943$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote in message:
>>>> c7ba4fa930b81fa2...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Huckabee is rather likable,
>>>>
>>>> Beneath that charming exterior lies a very talented and
>>>> calculating politican who would impose his "Christian
>>>> Values" on everyone else.
>>>
>>> And what would those values be?
>>
>> Blind adherence to anyone claiming "christian values."
>
>
they want them to be at the time. You are, if you wish to be a
good little christian, supposed to follow along without questioning.
GW Bush: War Criminal
According to the *current* President, those include;
torture
carpet bombing
illegal invasion and occupation of a Sovereign Nation(s)
mass murder
opting out of the Geneva Conventions
lying
illegal spying
illegally outing a covert spy
torture,
illegally destroying US Government records,
illegally firing US Justice Dept. personnel,
torture, over-spending and mishandling Trillions &
Trillions of U$
Oh, and torture.
A pretty good example of why the very astute Founding Fathers favoured
the intrinsic separation of Church and State.
Vote early, vote often...
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Rick
Then you don't know much about Christian Values.
David V.
> "David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> "David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:wpSdnaDIIcGpo_na...@sti.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Unique" <akjs...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47571835$0$27943$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote in message:
>>>>>> c7ba4fa930b81fa2...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huckabee is rather likable,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beneath that charming exterior lies a very talented
>>>>>> and calculating politican who would impose his
>>>>>> "Christian Values" on everyone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what would those values be?
>>>>
>>>> Blind adherence to anyone claiming "christian values."
>>>
>>> I'm still looking for one but I guess I'm asking for too
>>> much.
>>>
>>
>> That's my point. These so called "christian values" are
>> whatever they want them to be at the time. You are, if you
>> wish to be a good little christian, supposed to follow along
>> without questioning.
>
Apparently I do.
Rick
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Their isn't any law on the books for invasion infact Clinton did it in
Serbia and Hati.
Geneva convention only applies to Uniformed soldiers not terrorists.
What Lie
She wasn't a covert spy.
No Torture.
Governments destroy government records all the time just as Hillary where
those billing records are.
Again Bill Clinton fired all of the US Attorneys and not a peep Bush fires 4
time to impeach.
Over spending is bipartisan
Vote early vote often like dead in chicago.
>
trotsky
Just out of curiosity, Rick, why would you think those words would be
capitalized?
Charles & Mambo Duckman
> Their isn't any carpet bombing
> Their isn't any law on the books for invasion infact Clinton did it in
> Serbia and Hati.
> Geneva convention only applies to Uniformed soldiers not terrorists.
> What Lie
> She wasn't a covert spy.
> No Torture.
> Governments destroy government records all the time just as Hillary where
> those billing records are.
> Again Bill Clinton fired all of the US Attorneys and not a peep Bush fires 4
> time to impeach.
> Over spending is bipartisan
Great way to spoof a Bush voter. Thanks.
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You guys don't really think Huckabee is going to win anything do you?
arctur...@yahoo.com
> "David V." <s...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
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> > Rick wrote:
> >> "David V." <s...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:wpSdnaDIIcGpo_na...@sti.net...
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> >>> Rick wrote:
>
> >>>> "Unique" <akjsk...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote in message
> >>>>news:47571835$0$27943$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
> >>>>> Daniel <babylon@usa> wrote in message:
>
> >>>>>> Huckabee is rather likable,
>
> >>>>> Beneath that charming exterior lies a very talented and
> >>>>> calculating politican who would impose his "Christian
> >>>>> Values" on everyone else.
>
> >>>> And what would those values be?
>
> >>> Blind adherence to anyone claiming "christian values."
>
> >> I'm still looking for one but I guess I'm asking for too much.
>
> > That's my point. These so called "christian values" are whatever
> > they want them to be at the time. You are, if you wish to be a
> > good little christian, supposed to follow along without questioning.
>
> > --
> > Dave
>
> > You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents,
> > not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
> > - Abbie Hoffman
>
>
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We have had 8 years of Christian values, half the world is dead,
broke, or pissed off! The rest are so dumbed down that their critical
thinking skills have so degenerated that they wouldn't even see Cujo
is a kook!
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(c) 2007 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Flash Bazbo
wrote:
Well, it's official, ladies and gentlemen. Look forward to a Huckabee
Whitehouse in 2008.
GW Bush: War Criminal
Their (sic) is so.
> Their isn't any law on the books for invasion infact Clinton did it in
> Serbia and Hati.
He ain't doin' it now. Who's the *current* president, idjit?
> Geneva convention only applies to Uniformed soldiers not terrorists.
They gotta polish there combat boots, too?
> What Lie
Too numerous to list here.
> She wasn't a covert spy.
Was so.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
> No Torture.
Yesterday:
"Bush threatens to veto anti-torture Bill"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/15/wbush115
.xml
or:
http://tinyurl.com/34jsf8%0D
Today:
"Pro Torture GOP Protects Bush, Blocks Torture Ban, Supports Bush
Torture Policies"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_len_hart_071216_pro_torture_gop_
prot.htm
or:
http://tinyurl.com/3c6qzc%0D
> Governments destroy government records all the time just as Hillary where
> those billing records are.
Billing. LOL
> Again Bill Clinton fired all of the US Attorneys and not a peep Bush fires 4
> time to impeach.
A list of crimes as long as his arm and no one will give the little
bastard a blow job...too bad!
> Over spending is bipartisan
It's Bush and his suckass Repugnicans in Congress.
FYI, there used to be a budget surplus, not Trillions of debt.
And, apart from a few sterling examples, the current Democratic Party
Members of Congress are suckass, too. At least they're not supporting
torture.
> Vote early vote often like dead in chicago.
Rigged voting is an American tradition.
Google: Bush, Diebold, Katherine Harris, for the updates...
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GW Bush: War Criminal
> Rick wrote:
>
> > Their isn't any carpet bombing
> > Their isn't any law on the books for invasion infact Clinton did it in
> > Serbia and Hati.
> > Geneva convention only applies to Uniformed soldiers not terrorists.
> > What Lie
> > She wasn't a covert spy.
> > No Torture.
> > Governments destroy government records all the time just as Hillary where
> > those billing records are.
> > Again Bill Clinton fired all of the US Attorneys and not a peep Bush fires 4
> > time to impeach.
> > Over spending is bipartisan
>
>
> Great way to spoof a Bush voter. Thanks.
Ack. Yeah, pretty good!! Got *Clinton* right in there, too!
petey
>
>> Their isn't any law on the books for invasion infact Clinton did it in
>> Serbia and Hati.
And then (as he was prone to do during his tenure in office), he pulled out
prematurely.
> He ain't doin' it now. Who's the *current* president, idjit?
What a fantastic sidestep to the issue. Please answer the original question
though.
GW Bush: War Criminal
Please try to focus on the present.
"Bush's Exhibit A for Torture"
"At the heart of President Bush's defense of torture lies Abu Zubaida.
Bush has described Zubaida...as a major al Qaeda figure who resisted
questioning until the CIA applied its "alternative set" of interrogation
procedures -- and who then provided crucial, life-saving intelligence.
Indeed, Bush has been personally invested, for more than five years, in
the notion that Zubaida's capture and interrogation were momentous
achievements."
[w00t! More than 5 years of lies 'n Bushshit.]
"evidence uncovered by Suskind suggests Zubaida was a mentally ill minor
functionary, who under brutal questioning sent investigators chasing
after false leads about al-Qaeda plots on American nuclear plants, water
systems, shopping malls, banks and supermarkets."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yqutf8
Translation: Bush's Torture = False Leads
petey
> petey <peet...@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> GW Bush: War Criminal wrote:
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>> > He ain't doin' it now. Who's the *current* president, idjit?
>>
>> What a fantastic sidestep to the issue. Please answer the original
>> question though.
>
> Please try to focus on the present.
>
> "Bush's Exhibit A for Torture"
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> "At the heart of President Bush's defense of torture lies Abu Zubaida.
> Bush has described Zubaida...as a major al Qaeda figure who resisted
> questioning until the CIA applied its "alternative set" of interrogation
> procedures -- and who then provided crucial, life-saving intelligence.
> Indeed, Bush has been personally invested, for more than five years, in
> the notion that Zubaida's capture and interrogation were momentous
> achievements."
>
> [w00t! More than 5 years of lies 'n Bushshit.]
And I point you to a video that shows you a clip of the first few minutes of
the movie "Blackhawk Down" (or you can just rent the movie to watch), an
event that happened while BillyBoy BJ Clinton was in office. The Rangers
wanted to intervene in the slaughter, but orders from "higher up" (hmm,
Oval Office perhaps?) prevented them from getting mixed up in the incident.
Now tell me how the torture of a "scum" terrorist (whether sane or crazy
(which most of them are anyway, but that's beside the point)) can ever
compare to a whole crowd of starving innocents being slaughtered trying to
access food that originally belongs to them anyway while superiorily armed
troops are forced to sit by and witness it just because the CIC in charge
at the time thought it wasn't a good idea to get involved?
So, what say ye about that, compassionate liberal?
Solo
I say you've drank too much Fox News KoolAid and swallowed it all
hook line and sinker.
David V.
It's always amazed me that people like him exist. I've just
assumed they all came from the shallow end of the gene pool.
petey
Hmm, is that the best "insults" you boys can come up with?
BTW - how come Billy Bob was crying like a little girl in that picture I saw
of him today?
thu...@magpage.com
Heh, maybe he was reflecting on his lousy Presidental legacy?
David V.
That wasn't meant to be an insult. I'm serious. People that
actually believe that stuff are not mentally competent. They
probably have some kind of brain dysfunction.
Bases
Rick
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John Baker
At least the "loony libs", unlike you rightard wingnuts, have enough
intelligence to recognize bullshit when they see it. And Sonny Jim,
Faux News serves it up by the truckload.
John Baker
wrote:
>GW Bush: War Criminal wrote:
>
>> petey <peet...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> GW Bush: War Criminal wrote:
>>
>>> > He ain't doin' it now. Who's the *current* president, idjit?
>>>
>>> What a fantastic sidestep to the issue. Please answer the original
>>> question though.
>>
>> Please try to focus on the present.
>>
>> "Bush's Exhibit A for Torture"
>>
>> "At the heart of President Bush's defense of torture lies Abu Zubaida.
>> Bush has described Zubaida...as a major al Qaeda figure who resisted
>> questioning until the CIA applied its "alternative set" of interrogation
>> procedures -- and who then provided crucial, life-saving intelligence.
>> Indeed, Bush has been personally invested, for more than five years, in
>> the notion that Zubaida's capture and interrogation were momentous
>> achievements."
>>
>> [w00t! More than 5 years of lies 'n Bushshit.]
>
>And I point you to a video that shows you a clip of the first few minutes of
>the movie "Blackhawk Down" (or you can just rent the movie to watch), an
>event that happened while BillyBoy BJ Clinton was in office.
My, but you righties do seem obsessed with that blow job. Jealousy,
perhaps?
>The Rangers
>wanted to intervene in the slaughter, but orders from "higher up" (hmm,
>Oval Office perhaps?) prevented them from getting mixed up in the incident.
>
>Now tell me how the torture of a "scum" terrorist (whether sane or crazy
>(which most of them are anyway, but that's beside the point)) can ever
>compare to a whole crowd of starving innocents being slaughtered trying to
>access food that originally belongs to them anyway while superiorily armed
>troops are forced to sit by and witness it just because the CIC in charge
>at the time thought it wasn't a good idea to get involved?
As if you actually give a shit. But it's really quite simple, Sparky,
although apparently still a bit too complicated for your average
rightie. Torturing prisoners is not the way we do things in America.
If you're going to condone that sort of thing, you might as well shit
on the constitution and use the flag to wipe your ass, because you've
just taken everything this country supposedly stands for and tossed it
in the dumpster.
>
>So, what say ye about that, compassionate liberal?
It obviously hasn't dawned on you yet, Skippy, but there's a bit of a
distinction between taking no action to stop the bad guy and *being*
the bad guy. At the moment I'm typing this (and at the moment you're
reading it as well), someone somewhere is dying because someone else
did nothing. It happens every day all over the world. Regrettable,
yes, but that's life.
No one ever said Clinton was a saint. In fact, he has to claim
ownership of more than a few notable fuckups. But .. and here's the
rub, Sunshine .. Bill Clinton is no longer President. Hasn't been for
quite a while now. He isn't responsible for the bullshit that's gone
down over the last seven years or so. Your guy is. 9/11, Iraq, Gitmo
.. all Bush's babies, not Clinton's. And like it or not, Skippy, the
transformation of this once free country into a totalitarian rogue
state that attacks other nations without cause or justification,
imprisons people without evidence or due process, tortures its
prisoners and spies on its own citizens, a nation now feared and
despised by the entire civilized world, didn't happen on Clinton's
watch. It happened on your guy's - with the full support and approval
of feeble-minded ditto-head imbeciles like you.
Now take your idiotic Faux News horseshit and shove it up your ass
(assuming you can get it past your head). I'm not having any.
Rick
"John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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watches those networks.
Bases
David V.
A sentiment that would make Joseph Goebbels proud.
petey
Heh, the "Communist New Network"
BTW - who would trust a news network anyway who writes software (when it in
fact works) that regularly spies on the person who purchased it?
petey
petey wrote:
I'm probably going to be crying like that myself if his wife manages to pull
a upset in the next election. =:-(
petey
petey wrote:
I'm probably going to be crying like that myself if his wife manages to pull
GW Bush: War Criminal
--
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not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
- Abbie Hoffman
And he thought *Nixon* was a crook! :)
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http://www.stopiranwar.com
http://www.ivaw.org
GW Bush: War Criminal
> GW Bush: War Criminal wrote:
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> > petey <peet...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> GW Bush: War Criminal wrote:
> >
> >> > He ain't doin' it now. Who's the *current* president, idjit?
> >>
> >> What a fantastic sidestep to the issue. Please answer the original
> >> question though.
> >
> > Please try to focus on the present.
> >
> > "Bush's Exhibit A for Torture"
> >
> > "At the heart of President Bush's defense of torture lies Abu Zubaida.
> > Bush has described Zubaida...as a major al Qaeda figure who resisted
> > questioning until the CIA applied its "alternative set" of interrogation
> > procedures -- and who then provided crucial, life-saving intelligence.
> > Indeed, Bush has been personally invested, for more than five years, in
> > the notion that Zubaida's capture and interrogation were momentous
> > achievements."
> >
> > [w00t! More than 5 years of lies 'n Bushshit.]
>
> And I point you to a video that shows you a clip of the first few minutes of
> the movie "Blackhawk Down" (or you can just rent the movie to watch), an
> event that happened while BillyBoy BJ Clinton was in office. The Rangers
> wanted to intervene in the slaughter, but orders from "higher up" (hmm,
> Oval Office perhaps?) prevented them from getting mixed up in the incident.
"Incident".
> Now tell me how the torture of a "scum" terrorist (whether sane or crazy
> (which most of them are anyway, but that's beside the point))
With your Government's illegal dismissal of the fundamental right of
Habeas Corpus _you can't know what they are_.
The Great Charter was penned in wot, 1215?
Congrats, Bushie has dragged y'all back to the Dark Ages.
> can ever compare to a whole crowd of starving innocents being slaughtered
> trying to access food that originally belongs to them anyway while
> superiorily armed troops are forced to sit by and witness it just because
> the CIC in charge at the time thought it wasn't a good idea to get
> involved?
>
> So, what say ye about that, compassionate liberal?
It's not relevant.
(Or should I get started on Nicaragua now?)
The US is a torture state. Systemic, legal torture; secret prisons,
secret renditions, and a revamped Justice Dept. with shiny new "laws" to
protect the guilty.
" Legislative bodies, if still in existence at all, are cowed into
rubber-stamp submission with occasional ceremonial opposition. The
judiciary tends to become activist in support of state views. The public
often looks away, or even enthusiastically approves as rights are
stripped away."
http://mvp-seattle.com/pages/pageFascism.htm
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http://www.stopiranwar.com
http://impeachcheney.org
http://www.ivaw.org
Rick
"GW Bush: War Criminal" <imp...@chimpy.org> wrote in message
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If the terrorists would just put on military uniforms then they would be
eligible for Geneva Convention rules but until then the rules don't apply.
trotsky
> If the terrorists would just put on military uniforms then they would be
> eligible for Geneva Convention rules but until then the rules don't apply.
Can you show us that in writing somewhere, Rick?
David V.
>
> If the terrorists would just put on military uniforms then
> they would be eligible for Geneva Convention rules but until
> then the rules don't apply.
The scary part is that some people are actually ignorant enough
to believe that.
--
Dave
Rick
"trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote in message
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It's in the Geneva convention look it up. But since were the only ones
following the convention none of the Arab states are then why should we. If
a country we are at war with follows it than so should we but if an enemy we
are at war with doesn't follow the convention than neither should we. Even
if a bunch of terrorists are sniping at our troops from a mosque then I say
shoot a missile and take it out like we did a catholic monastery holed up by
Nazi's during world war 2.
David V.
> "trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote
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>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> If the terrorists would just put on military uniforms then
>>> they would be eligible for Geneva Convention rules but
>>> until then the rules don't apply.
>>
>> Can you show us that in writing somewhere, Rick?
>
> It's in the Geneva convention look it up.
It's not there. If you believe it is, then show us.
> But since were the only ones following the convention none of
> the Arab states are then why should we.
The USA is not following the Convention, but we should because we
are better than they are.
> If a country we are at war with follows it than so should we
> but if an enemy we are at war with doesn't follow the
> convention than neither should we.
Who are we at war with? The asshole that was appointed president
of the USA invaded a country that was of no threat to anyone.
That's an occupation, not a war. If it was in retaliation for
9/11 then we should have invaded Saudi Arabia.
We should follow the Convention because that's what civilized
countries do.
> Even if a bunch of terrorists are sniping at our troops from a
> mosque then I say shoot a missile and take it out like we did
> a catholic monastery holed up by Nazi's during world war 2.
When that happens, we'll deal with it.
Rick
"David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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They already are sniping at our troops from mosques and were not taking the
mosque out. And what you must be wrongly interpreting from the convention is
article 4 which applies to civilians i.e. no torturing of civilians but the
terrorists aren't civilians so article 4 doesn't apply. But I'm not even
sure if the US signed off on Article 4 of the convention.
trotsky
> "trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote in message
> news:CGubj.1651$Ux2.393@attbi_s22...
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> If the terrorists would just put on military uniforms then they would be
>>> eligible for Geneva Convention rules but until then the rules don't
>>> apply.
>>
>> Can you show us that in writing somewhere, Rick?
>
> It's in the Geneva convention look it up. But since were the only ones
> following the convention none of the Arab states are then why should we.
You mean like the waterboarding? The use of torture is forbidden. You
might want to look that up.
If
> a country we are at war with follows it than so should we but if an enemy we
> are at war with doesn't follow the convention than neither should we.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, Rick, but your opinion is that of
an idiot.
Even
> if a bunch of terrorists are sniping at our troops from a mosque then I say
> shoot a missile and take it out like we did a catholic monastery holed up by
> Nazi's during world war 2.
I say don't invade a country that is likely to have dudes shooting from
mosques unless you like taking bullets up the wazoo. You're just
whining about the U.S. having done something stupid in the first place.
David V.
> "David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> wrote
> not taking the mosque out.
I would snipe at troops invading and occupying my country too.
Instead of shooting back, why don't we just leave? Then they
won't be shooting at us any more.
> And what you must be wrongly interpreting from the convention
> is article 4 which applies to civilians i.e. no torturing of
> civilians but the terrorists aren't civilians so article 4
> doesn't apply. But I'm not even sure if the US signed off on
> Article 4 of the convention.
I've wrongly interpreted nothing. The terrorists ARE civilians.
Just claiming they are not doesn't make it so. We, the USA,
should not be torturing anyone. It doesn't work, it's barbaric,
and something a civilized country does not do. I don't give a
shit what convention or part of a convention anyone signed;
torture is not something that should be done, for any reason, to
another human being.
trotsky
Didn't the U.S. do just that against the British?
Anim8rFSK
"David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> crossposted to:
talk.atheism, alt.astrology, alt.tarot, rec.arts.tv
I'm gonna assume you came in from tarot or astrology, 'cause you're way
too stupid to be an atheist. Probably too stupid to even watch TV.
Anyboy got the quote from RUTHLESS PEOPLE handy?
Never mind, found it:
Lt. Walters: This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of
the earth. Perhaps we should shoot him.
--
R.I.P. Bionic Woman:
The latest reason the WGA should revoke Laeta Kalogridis's union card,
or shut their doors in shame.
David V.
Technically, there wasn't really a U.S. at the time. They were
sniping at their own countrymen. The British complained about
those snipers being uncivilized and fighting unfairly. They also
complained about them not wearing uniforms.
David V.
> In article <28GdnciCq5Jsc_Pa...@sti.net>, "David
> V." <sp...@hotmail.com> crossposted to:
>
> talk.atheism, alt.astrology, alt.tarot, rec.arts.tv
>
> I'm gonna assume you came in from tarot or astrology, 'cause
> you're way too stupid to be an atheist. Probably too stupid
> to even watch TV.
That makes me smarter than you.
> Anyboy got the quote from RUTHLESS PEOPLE handy?
>
> Never mind, found it:
>
> Lt. Walters: This could very well be the stupidest person on
> the face of the earth. Perhaps we should shoot him.
You have the intellectual prowess of a lemur. Is that the best
you can do; shoot those that disagree with you? Or to you just
want to shoot those that are more intelligent than you? Don't do
that, you'd be the only person left...... well.... you and bush
would be left.
William December Starr
"David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> said:
>> Didn't the U.S. do just that against the British?
>
> Technically, there wasn't really a U.S. at the time. They were
> sniping at their own countrymen. The British complained about
> those snipers being uncivilized and fighting unfairly. They
> also complained about them not wearing uniforms.
From the "You Know You've Been Reading Too Much rec.arts.tv When"
file: I read that at first as the British complaining because
they weren't unionized.
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
Bases
David V.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for
such time as the State can shield the people from the political,
economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes
vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to
repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie,
and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually
they will believe it”
Guess who.
One last quote:
“Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people
are conservatives.”
John Stuart Mill
Charles & Mambo Duckman
> And what you must be wrongly interpreting from the convention is
> article 4 which applies to civilians i.e. no torturing of civilians but the
> terrorists aren't civilians so article 4 doesn't apply. But I'm not even
> sure if the US signed off on Article 4 of the convention.
No?
What are we waiting for? Bring out the pliers, the Judas Cradle, the molten
lead, the rack, the Breast Ripper, the Head Crusher, the Maiden, the Spanish
Tickler, and so on. Get busy.
Next stop - rape their babies, then put them through the meat grinder. No
one signed anything prohibiting it, have they?
--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
Rick
Rick
follow sharia law so they want us there.
Rick
If you weren't wearing a uniform back then you were the bad guy to the
British.
Rick
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>taking them to Egypt is all you have to do in some cases. And why all the
>sympothy for a bunch of head cutters anyways.
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Rick
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <28GdnciCq5Jsc_Pa...@sti.net>,
> "David V." <sp...@hotmail.com> crossposted to:
>
> talk.atheism, alt.astrology, alt.tarot, rec.arts.tv
>
> I'm gonna assume you came in from tarot or astrology, 'cause you're way
> too stupid to be an atheist. Probably too stupid to even watch TV.
>
> Anyboy got the quote from RUTHLESS PEOPLE handy?
>
> Never mind, found it:
>
> Lt. Walters: This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of
> the earth. Perhaps we should shoot him.
>
Rick
Rick
"Charles & Mambo Duckman" <duc...@gfy.slf> wrote in message
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> Rick wrote:
>
>> And what you must be wrongly interpreting from the convention is article
>> 4 which applies to civilians i.e. no torturing of civilians but the
>> terrorists aren't civilians so article 4 doesn't apply. But I'm not even
>> sure if the US signed off on Article 4 of the convention.
>
>
> No?
>
you think the convention separates the combatants from the noncombatants and
the terrorists are trying to obfuscate that difference.
Rick
Only a tard would think defending ones self is stupid.
Mike
> Rick wrote:
>> "trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote
>>
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the terrorists would just put on military uniforms then
>>>> they would be eligible for Geneva Convention rules but until then
>>>> the rules don't apply.
>>>
>>> Can you show us that in writing somewhere, Rick?
>>
>> It's in the Geneva convention look it up.
>
> It's not there. If you believe it is, then show us.
>
That's ONE of the criteria to decide if someone should be considered a
POW as opposed to "just a common criminal aka 'unlawful combatant.'"
There's also other things that can make a person a POW.
See http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm for the full wording.
Now the convention also says:
"The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in
Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until
their final release and repatriation.
Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a
belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to
any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy
the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status
has been determined by a competent tribunal. "
To me, that basically says "if there's any doubt, they should be treated
as a POW until/unless a tribunal decides otherwise" and NOT Shrub's
"they're not a POW simply because I say they aren't."
>> But since were the only ones following the convention none of the Arab
>> states are then why should we.
>
> The USA is not following the Convention, but we should because we
> are better than they are.
Agreed. Even if we WERE following it, torture still shouldn't be used.
They might not have the constitutional rights that citizens have but ALL
humans should have "certain unalienable Rights, that among these are
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" and there are some things
that a civilized people should not do to other people.
Mike
> Yes the terrorists aren't civilians they could be treated as spies why do
> you think the convention separates the combatants from the noncombatants and
> the terrorists are trying to obfuscate that difference.
Would you like to re-word that into something that makes some sort of
grammatical sense?
Mike
And the terrorists are simply trying to defend themselves (from their POV.)
David V.
They are and if we didn't invade their country they wouldn't be
shooting.
> And 85% of Iraq don't want to follow sharia law so they want
> us there.
And 98% of Iraq doesn't want us there.
David V.
Torture does not work. And your next statement reflects more
poorly on you than any terrorist.
David V.
It would take someone even dumber than that to think that
invading Iraq was in any way defending the US.
Solo
Rick
niceties.
Rick
Rick
"Mike" <prab...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
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During the American Revolution the Americans executed soldiers not in
uniform all the time. At least were not doing that to the terrorists at
gitmo.
Rick
The Terrorists want sharia law nimrod and the Afghani's and Iraqi's don't.
Someone saying that they're only defending themselves don't know what's
going on in the middle east. Even after 911 that shows how deluded the left
is.
Rick
David V.
> deal with niceties.
Civilized people do. And you know..... if we weren't fucking up
the Middle East, there'd be no terrorists. Bush is the real
David V.
Deluded or more informed?
David V.
That doesn't mean you have to oblige them. And only a complete
moron would actually believe that the US invaded Iraq because of
some terrorists, "Islamofascist" or not. The whole world knows
the US invasion had NOTHING to do with 9/11 or terrorism, or
WMDs, or anything else. Only a few fucking idiots in the US
actually believe the BS that they have been told to believe.
Rick
Bush hasn't fucked up anything how many times has the Palestinians been
offered a state? The Palestinians can't even manage what they have now with
out killing each other. And water boarding hasn't killed anyone or severely
debiliated one single terrorist.
Rick
If they wanted us out all they have to do is ask and their leadership and
local councils haven't said Yank. In fact our cooperation with local sheiks
in western Iraq once thought of as one of the most dangerous places in Iraq
have turned the tide there since the surge started.
David V.
> "
> Bush hasn't fucked up anything
Bush has fucked up everything he's ever been involved with.
David V.
>
> If they wanted us out all they have to do is ask
They have.
trotsky
Aren't the "insurgents" defending themselves, Rick?
trotsky
Mike, you're trying to torture the guy.