Re: Rational Atheists: The list

[fasgnadh]

On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>
> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
...

> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
> of course:
>
> Alex W.
>
> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>
> DanielSan

# From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
# Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
# was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
# Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800
# Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>
#
# On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
# > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
#
# >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
# >
# > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
#
# Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.

"Atheists are Pussies" B^D

> John Baker


# From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
# Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
# Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
#
# Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
# I've been giving it quite a
# lot of thought lately, and I've
# decided it's time for me to move on.
#
# I've finally reached the end of my rope.
#
# I've simply had all I can stand
@
# I just can't handle it anymore.
#
# I don't see myself continuing

# I'm going to end up going postal.

> Mitchell Holman
>
> Sulfate
>
> Jim Burns
>
> Olrik

Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.

They are all as mad as cut snakes...

> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own
> candidates

St Dawkins: "These Gods Came into Being"

His Acolyte, Bukakke:

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka


Warlord Fluffy:

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA


Chris Lee:


# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.


> Thanks!

You're welcome, people need to be warned, as they look just like
real people.


--

---------

Atheists are in retreat:

Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:


# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being
# - Richard Dawkins

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
Do they have names?

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??

..Atheist activist Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

...and national atheist bodies have formally applied to be recognised
as a religion:

# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009



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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/


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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



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[fasgnadh]

On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:

Yup, all mad as cut snakes!

>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few.

>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."

Sure, it's a pretty short list:

# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"


# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
#
# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,




> *Ahem*.





>> Thanks!

[fasgnadh]

Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...

>>
>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.

about 100% of them.

They are all as mad as cut snakes...

>> ----
>>
>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own

>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."
>>

>> Thanks!
>
> The ranks have thinned.

Sure, I did a lot of the thinning in a.a. B^]

but the process is repeated worldwide:


"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"


- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm

Atheism has been in decline shince the atheist tyrannies of the
20th century: The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repressions,
Maoist China, Pol Pots genocidal Khmer Rouge, and Nth Korea

> Back in the day we had so many...

Now it's just the remaining atheiSheep in Nth Korea.

# From: Richo <m.richa...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farwell.
# Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <acbca475-4901-4b6d-
# ab9d-44f...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
#
# It has been a very long time coming but I have finally had enough.
#...
# it is getting to me lately.
#
# There are no decent arguments
# ....
# And its not any "fun" anymore.
#
# Farewell

> Mark
> (a lingering ghost from the past...)

Just like atheism, the stale smell of an old fart.

[fasgnadh]

John Baker whined himself into another breakdown:

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:25:05 -0800 (PST), Richo
> <m.richa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>

...
>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>> of course:
>>>
>>> Alex W.
>>>
>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>
>>> DanielSan
>>>

>>> John Baker

>>>
>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>> Sulfate
>>>
>>> Jim Burns
>>>
>>> Olrik
>>>

Vurgil,

Steve Knight,

Bukakke

et al

>>> ----
>>>
>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own
>>> candidates to be on the list

Chris "Drillchuck" lee

>>> Thanks!
>>
>> The ranks have thinned.

Sure, I did a lot of the thinning in a.a. B^]

but the Atheist decline is repeated worldwide:

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"


- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm

>> Back in the day we had so many...

Atheism has been in decline since the atheist tyrannies of the

20th century: The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repressions,
Maoist China, Pol Pots genocidal Khmer Rouge, and Nth Korea

Most people celebrate the decline of Atheism.

> We've always had the ones who stay a while and then move on

Nemotoad
Virgil
Hypatia
Trance Stupor
Carey Kitterel
DuhIdiot
AZ Nomad
Robibnikoff
Kilmir
Smiler
Douglas Berry
pbamvv
Uncle Vic
johac
Louis 14
Frank Mayhar
Tim McGauchy
Vipera Berus

All scalps hanging in my trophy room! B^]


> Unfortunately, the trolls have gotten so bad in recent years

# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<128235a0-640d-495a...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#

# On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
# >
# > We kill theists and shit down their throats
# >
# > Warlord Steve
# > BAAWA

#
# ------------------------------------------------------------------
# BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant

Trance, another troll I took care of, who denies the existence
of Militant Atheist thugs, here is seen signing up to Kill theists
and shit down their throats. 8^o

> that they've driven many of the long-time regulars away.

Shame made them run away, shame and public humiliation.

> I miss the days when service providers actually did something about
> trolls.

You would have lost Vurgil the post forger, Warlord Steve, the violent
thug and Bukakke who claims she can disprove Creation, in posts she
CREATES! YOu would certainly have lost FDrillChuck Lee! 8^o

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:

alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka

> I wonder what makes a person so shallow, so mean-spirited and so
> utterly devoid of common human decency that they can find nothing
> better to do with their time than harrass complete strangers for no
> good reason.

Atheism, apparently, as Chris Lee demonstrates:

# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John

# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

> But at the risk of being flamed, I'll state my opinion:

# From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
# Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
# Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
#
# Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
# I've been giving it quite a
# lot of thought lately, and I've
# decided it's time for me to move on.
#
# I've finally reached the end of my rope.
#
# I've simply had all I can stand
@
# I just can't handle it anymore.
#
# I don't see myself continuing

# I'm going to end up going postal.

Can someone call Suicide Watch! 8^o

> much to blame for a.a's current sorry state


It is a sorry state, just like every Atheist state
in history, and it's all your own doing, you sad-sack losers.

>> Mark
>> (a lingering ghost from the past...)

Your sheltered workshop is full of such troubled spirits;


"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."

-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists

B^D

Shouldn't your therapist have to hear that, not us!?

B^D

That's the reason a.a. is in decline, your "personal issues" are
serious personality disorders!

[fasgnadh]

On 25/02/2012 2:41 PM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:
> On 2012-Feb-24 19:31, Smiler wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:17:20 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>> atheist goddess wrote:
>>> On 2012-Feb-23 21:36, SkyEyes wrote:

>>>> On Feb 23, 2:56 am, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
...
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>>> of course:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex W.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>>
>>>>> DanielSan
>>>>>
>>>>> John Baker
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>
>>>>> Olrik
>>>>>

>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few.

Warlord(snicker) Steve
Bukakke
Trance Stupor
Nemotoad
Virgil
Hypatia

Carey Kitterel
DuhIdiot
AZ Nomad
Robibnikoff
Kilmir
Smiler
Douglas Berry
pbamvv
Uncle Vic
johac
Louis 14
Frank Mayhar
Tim McGauchy
Vipera Berus

>>>>> Ok, quite a few.

All scalps on my trophy wall.

>>>>> Please nominate your own
>>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."

There is only one who has ever admitted the truth
about the failure of atheism:


# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"



# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
#
# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,

>>>>> Thanks!

No one else found any names to nominate, to date!

Perhaps someone could nominate some of the many atheists who
have given the whole stupid atheist nonsense away?

>>>> They haven't been around much lately, but I'd nominate Haiku Jones,
>>>> archie dux, conan the bacterium, and nature-bats-last.
>>>
>>> There are likely many names that have been forgotten...

Sorry, who are you ?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAA

>>> I just performed a quick count, and it appears that alt.atheism has had
>>> at least 58,000 different posters since its inception.
>>
>> What percentage were atheists

0.7%

>> and what percentage were religious

80%

And what percentage were BAAWA

>> morons?

all of them.

> Good question.

Even better answers from the ARIS data.

# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D


719,000 increase in 7 years!
Meanwhile in One nation, China, over the same period, there were
300,000,000 new believers! 8^o


Atheists are only 4% of non-believers
96% of non-believers reject atheism!

[Waldo Tunnel]

Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by atheists to the degree he has been
archiving atheists posts for _years_ now. (see below)

On Feb 25, 4:41 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>
>  > there are a number of self identified atheists here in
> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>
> ...
>
> > Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
> > of course:
>
> > Alex W.
>
> > Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>
> > DanielSan
>

> # From: DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com>

> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
> #          was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800

> # Message-ID: <jee61u$acg...@dont-email.me>

> #
> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
> # > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> #
> # >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
> # >
> # > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
> #
> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.
>
> "Atheists are Pussies"   B^D

Is this supposed to mean something? D^X

>
> > John Baker
>
> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500

> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh9hi5gjg3vh963g...@4ax.com>

> #
> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
> # I've been giving it quite a
> # lot of thought lately, and I've
> # decided it's time for me to move on.
> #
> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
> #
> # I've simply had all I can stand
> @
> # I just can't handle it anymore.
> #
> # I don't see myself continuing
>
> # I'm going to end up going postal.

This is the best fasgnadh can come up with.

>
> > Mitchell Holman
>
> > Sulfate
>
> > Jim Burns
>
> > Olrik
>
> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>

> # From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>

> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400

> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$ts...@news.eternal-september.org>

> #
> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
> # then I claim you're a muslim.

I actually chased this quote down (fasgnadh obscured it for obvious
reasons). fasgnadh Left a bit out. Do you want to admit to and reveal
your omission, fasgnadh, or shall I?



[...]


"One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside" -- J. Lennon

[raven1]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:14:01 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
<waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by atheists to the degree he has been
>archiving atheists posts for _years_ now. (see below)

He also has a particular pathology that prevents him from seeing the
difference between atheists being irrational and atheists mocking him.

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[Waldo Tunnel]

fasgnadh sez:

Nemotoad
Virgil
Hypatia
Trance Stupor
Carey Kitterel
DuhIdiot
AZ Nomad
Robibnikoff
Kilmir
Smiler
Douglas Berry
pbamvv
Uncle Vic
johac
Louis 14
Frank Mayhar
Tim McGauchy
Vipera Berus

All scalps hanging in my trophy room! B^]

--------

You have delusions of adequacy, sport.

[Vurgil]

In article <Qw52r.3621$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

Albert Einstein springs immediately to mind:

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

[Vurgil]

In article <XM52r.3622$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

And don't forget Albert Einstein

[Vurgil]

In article <9Q42r.3617$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
> > <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
> >> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.

Premier among them, though no longer in a position to post, should be
ALBERT EINSTEIN.

[Vurgil]

In article <bG42r.3616$%E2...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
> >
> > there are a number of self identified atheists

> > who are as dogmatic as any theist.

Heading up any such list should be Albert Einstein.

[Vurgil]

In article <v252r.3618$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
> > On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
> >> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>
> about 100% of them.

Including Albert Einstein

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might
co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And heąs
intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings
of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.

In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy."

[So the context of discussion is now established as being
in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
in that context]

"Doesnąt that description sound an awful lot like God?"

[Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]

łCertainly,˛ Professor Dawkins replies. łItąs highly
plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there
are God-like creatures.˛

He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks heąs gone
around a religious bend. łItąs very important to
understand that these [future] Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛

Could they be immortal?

The professor shrugs. łProbably not.˛ He smiles and adds ,
łBut I wouldnąt want to be too dogmatic about that.˛


The complete article appeared in print on September 20, 2011, in

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

[Sulfate]

On Feb 25, 12:14 pm, Waldo Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>

> I actually chased this quote down (fasgnadh obscured it for obvious
> reasons). fasgnadh Left a bit out. Do you want to admit to and reveal
> your omission, fasgnadh, or shall I?

<snip>

It really isn't worth your time. The guy's been playing the same
"atheism murders babies and cripples" (or whatever) record for years
now. He makes unnecessarily gigantic posts filled with emoticons of
his own devising, quoting conversations that never happened and facts
he gathered from various hand-picked propaganda sources. Refuting the
ridiculous is an admirable goal, don't get me wrong, but
fasgakjhsejkhat is best treated with the nonchalance he so adamantly
deserves.

[fasgnadh]

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
actions of human beings."

Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929

"..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
Religion...

science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind."

- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954


Most of the Great Scientists have been theists, from Newton
to LeMaitre, from Galileo to Maxwell:

"Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
or is God to bound by the laws of science?"

"Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related


Most of the Great scientific discoveries throughout history have
been the work of theists, for centuries they were inspired to
search for meaning because they believed it would be found.

When atheists, like everyone else were believers in the flat earth and
the Earth at the centre of the universe with Sol orbiting around it,
three believers, Copernicus, Tycho and Galileo created a revolution
in human understanding.

It's about time that atheists acknowledged that religion and science
are in harmony, and the debt they owe to the preponderance of theist
scientists, and the progress in human understanding which has led to
the free, open, progressive, rights based, prosperous, scientifically
literate secular democracies BUILT and SUSTAINED by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies, not one of them built by atheist states which were all
totalitarian tyrannies, full of terror, torture, despair and the death
of over 80,000,000 people and WERE INFERIOR in social justice, economic
progress, science and technology!

---------
The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
are aware of it

- Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher

René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.


I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world

- Louis Pasteur 1822-95

As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.

- Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727

The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.

- Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
"My view of the World" 1918

There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
and harmony.

- Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
"Where is Science Going" 1918

"Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
-Sir Arthur Eddington

Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism.

- 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911

Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)

George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)

Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)

George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)

Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)

Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)

Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)

Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)

Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)

Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)

Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.

Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)

Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)

Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)

Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)

Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)

Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)

Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)



Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)


"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects." - Albert Einstein

"The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28

"The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
(noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
University)


Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;

Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
on experimentation and inductive reasoning.

Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world view.

William Turner the "father of English botany"

John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.

Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
astronomical observations,

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
necessary demonstrations.

- Galileo Galilei 1615.

..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
is lame, religion without science is blind.

- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954

The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven

- Galileo Galilei 1564-1642

Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
(math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).

Nicolas Steno a pioneer in both anatomy and geology

Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
science could improve glorification of God.

John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.


Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
machine

Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
mathematicians in history.

Thomas Bayes Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society

Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.

Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.

Leonhard Euler mathematician and physicist,

Maria Gaetana Agnesi mathematician

Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
Michael Faraday

Charles Babbage

Gregor Mendel "father of modern genetics"

Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.

Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
development of the first vaccines.


Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,

Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials

Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry

John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.

Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics

Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
model and had a Moon crater named for him. Gold Medal of the Royal
Astronomical Society,

Arthur Compton Nobel Prize in Physics.

Georges Lemaître proposed the Big Bang theory. Roman Catholic priest

Sir Robert Boyd pioneer in British space science

von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.

Charles Hard Townes 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics 1966 wrote The
Convergence of Science and Religion.

Freeman Dyson the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
Thomas Prize.

John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.

Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
Noncommutative geometry.

Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize

Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute.

John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.

Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.

Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.

Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
evolutionary dynamics.

Robert Boyle

Michael Faraday

And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 8:20 AM, Vurgil wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 12:07 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ...
>> >>
>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>
>> about 100% of them.

> Albert Einstein

was clearly not an atheist:

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 7:52 AM, Vurgil wrote:

The ONLY rational and honest atheist in USENET!

B^]

> And don't forget Albert Einstein

[fasgnadh]

Waldo Tunnel wrote SFA, just the usual ad hom lies and atheist wanking:

> On 25/02/2012 11:41 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>
>> > there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>> ...
>>
>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>> of course:
>>>
>>> Alex W.
>>>
>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>
>>> DanielSan
>>

>> # From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>

>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
>> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
>> # was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
>> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800

>> # Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>

>> #
>> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
>> # > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>> #
>> # >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
>> # >
>> # > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
>> #
>> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.
>>
>> "Atheists are Pussies" B^D
>
> Is this supposed to mean something?

It means that atheists claim anything without a belief is an
atheist; cats, maggotts, dog shit...

They are the SMARTEST of the atheist menagerie! B^]

You rank below the dog shit for originality and wit.

>>> John Baker
>>
>>
>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500

>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>

>> #
>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>> # I've been giving it quite a
>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>> #
>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>> #
>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>> @
>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>> #
>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>
>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>

That was Best Abu Baker Bashir could do..
anotehr whiney little athesit bitch having
a hissy fit and breakdown in public!


We held a whip round to buy him a self addressed envelope
and a stamp!

He he, that was me, taking the piss of the whiney little bitch
and this is the best that quarter wit Waldo could come up with:

> This is the best fasgnadh can come up with.

Don't you even know who you are!? B^D YOU wrote that!

B^D

>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>> Sulfate
>>>
>>> Jim Burns
>>>
>>> Olrik
>>
>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>

>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>

>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400

>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>

>> #
>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>

>> They are all as mad as cut snakes...
>

> I actually chased this quote down

sure, I provide evidence and you have to try ands find something you
can WHINE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH about, in a desperate bid to distract
from the CRITICAL ADMISSION by Olrik that he is a LYING SHITPIG!

>fasgnadh Left a bit out.

Of course, his admission is the only relevant part.

Other wise you or the Kook-sucking tools whine that
"2 many wurds, our branes hurtz"

B^D

Naturally you want to bury the relevant part in endless GARBAGE!

> shall I?

You want MY permission, you servile little slut?

Sure Gutter snipe, do some work for a change,
we could all do with a laugh watching you whine
about some irrelevant distraction that DOES NOT
CHANGE THAT SHITPIGS CONFESSION in any significant way!

>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #
>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>>
>> Chris Lee:
>>
>>
>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
>>
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>> You're welcome, people need to be warned, as they look just like
>> real people.
>>



>
>

> [...]
>
>
> "One thing you can't hide
> Is when you're crippled inside" -- J. Lennon

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 6:09 AM, raven1 wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:14:01 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
> <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by atheists

Clearly you can't tell the difference between fascination
and mockery, you poor diwmitted tool;

>> (see below)

>>>> John Baker
>>>
>>> # From: John Baker<nu...@bizniz.net>
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
>>> # Message-ID:<hf1aj495t47br8nnh9hi5gjg3vh963g...@4ax.com>
>>> #
>>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>>> # I've been giving it quite a
>>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>>> #
>>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>>> #
>>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>>> @
>>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>>> #
>>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>>
>>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>
>

> He also has a particular pathology that prevents him from seeing the
> difference between atheists being irrational

Well, all the irrational atheists have different names,
some have even smaller penises than the others..

but he was having a breakdown at the time, crying a lot,
so go easy on him! ...we all do.

B^D

Of course Jung was right and Warlord Fluffy admitted that
atheists need help with their problems;

"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."

-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# > I, Warlord Steve, took control of BAAWA after Stix resigned the
# > Newsgroup. (personal problems

# >
# > We're here to talk about our own personal issues

>>
>>>

>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>>> Sulfate
>>>
>>>> Jim Burns
>>>
>>>> Olrik
>>>
>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>
>>> # From: Olrik<olrik...@yahoo.com>
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>>> # Message-ID:<huh7l5$ts...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>> #
>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.

...
>> "One thing you can't hide
>> Is when you're crippled inside" -- J. Lennon

Olrik is mentally and morally crippled, inside AND out!


> ---
> raven1

Raven was once the honest atheist, but then his atheism
took over;


# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"



# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
#
# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,

> aa # 1096

Is that your national membership!?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)

Why don't you put your head in it and tighten your nuts.

> BAAWA Knight

Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 9:59 AM, Sulfate wrote:
> Waldo Tunnel wrote SFA, just the usual ad hom lies and atheist wanking:

>> On 25/02/2012 11:41 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>
>>> > there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>> of course:
>>>>
>>>> Alex W.
>>>>
>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>
>>>> DanielSan
>>>

>>> # From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>

>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
>>> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
>>> # was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
>>> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800

>>> # Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>

>>> #
>>> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
>>> # > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> #
>>> # >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
>>> # >
>>> # > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
>>> #
>>> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.
>>>
>>> "Atheists are Pussies" B^D
>>
>> Is this supposed to mean something?

It means that atheists claim anything without a belief is an
atheist; cats, maggotts, dog shit...

They are the SMARTEST of the atheist menagerie! B^]

You rank below the dog shit for originality and wit.

>>>> John Baker
>>>
>>>
>>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500

>>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>

>>> #
>>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>>> # I've been giving it quite a
>>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>>> #
>>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>>> #
>>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>>> @
>>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>>> #
>>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>>
>>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>

That was Best Abu Baker Bashir could do..
anotehr whiney little athesit bitch having
a hissy fit and breakdown in public!


We held a whip round to buy him a self addressed envelope
and a stamp!

He he, that was me, taking the piss of the whiney little bitch
and this is the best that quarter wit Waldo could come up with:

>> This is the best fasgnadh can come up with.

Don't you even know who you are!? B^D YOU wrote that!

B^D

>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>
>>>> Sulfate
>>>>
>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>
>>>> Olrik
>>>
>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>

>>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>

>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400

>>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>

>>> #
>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>>

>>> They are all as mad as cut snakes...
>>

>> I actually chased this quote down
>

> It really isn't worth your time.

Of course not, the context still shows Olrik confessing to
being a lying shitpig!

You atheists have to WHINE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH's about nothing,
it's all you have!

>>fasgnadh Left a bit out.

> Of course, his admission is the only relevant part.

Other wise you or the Kook-sucking tools whine that
"2 many wurds, our branes hurtz"

B^D

Naturally you want to bury the relevant part in endless GARBAGE!

>> shall I?

You want MY permission, you servile little slut?

Sure Gutter snipe, do some work for a change,
we could all do with a laugh watching you whine
about some irrelevant distraction that DOES NOT
CHANGE THAT SHITPIGS CONFESSION in any significant way!

>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>>> #
>>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>> #
>>> # Warlord Steve
>>> # BAAWA
>

> The guy's been playing the same
> "atheism murders babies and cripples" (or whatever) record for years
> now.

I know, and when I QUOTE him, VERBATIM, doing so,
he whines like a little bitch and runs to Mummy, asking
that I be silenced and prevented from criticisng
him and making him look like a stupiud, hate filled THUG, just by
QUOTING HIS words!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA

> Refuting the ridiculous is an admirable goal,

and it's so easy.. just QUOTE them and everyone can see how
fucking IDIOTIC they are! It's like shooting Fish in a barrel!

> don't get me wrong, but

> fasgak is best

Aw.. thanks!

But I take all compliments from atheist fucktards
with a grain of salt and

> with the nonchalance he so adamantly deserves.



>>>

>>> Chris Lee:
>>>
>>>
>>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>>> #
>>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> You're welcome, people need to be warned, as they look just like
>>> real people.

>> [...]
>>
>>
>> "One thing you can't hide
>> Is when you're crippled inside" -- J. Lennon

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>
>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>
> Heading up any such list

of theists

> should be Albert Einstein.

[Vurgil]

In article <T8i2r.3475$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

> > On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an Italian
> > immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New Jersey.
> > Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by a news
> > report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious. Einstein
> > replied on 24 March 1954:
> > It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
> > convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
> > I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
> > this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
> > which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
> > admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
> > can reveal it.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views
>

> ---------
>
> Atheists are in retreat:

Atheists in retreat make far more progress than Creationist nerds like
fasgnadh do when advancing.

>
> Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:

Not to those who read the entire text and do not quote-mine to make
white look like black.

See for yourselves:

[Vurgil]

In article <Kni2r.3476$v14...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Albert Einstein was clearly not an atheist

Einstein is of a different opinion, to only atheist but anti-theist, at
least about the kinds of gods fasgnadh tries to sell us.

[Vurgil]

In article <gsi2r.3671$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ---------
>
> Atheists are in retreat:

Not to those who do not cut sentences in half.

> Dawkins declares

łItąs highly plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there are

God-like creatures. Itąs very important to understand that these

[future] Gods came into being by an explicable scientific progression
of incremental evolution.˛

Read the whole thing:

[Vurgil]

In article <q0j2r.3673$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

[Vurgil]

In article <GPi2r.3478$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 6:09 AM, raven1 wrote:
> > On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:14:01 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
> > <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by atheists

[Vurgil]

In article <wFi2r.3672$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It means that atheists claim anything without a belief is an
> atheist; cats, maggotts, dog shit...

Cats maybe, but maggots and dog shit are creationists.

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

And consider:

[Vurgil]

In article <C2j2r.3674$%E2...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
> >> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
> >>>
> >>> there are a number of self identified atheists
> >>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
> >
> > Heading up any such list
>
> of theists
>
> > should be Albert Einstein.

Not to those who are aware of the following.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 25, 2:59 pm, Sulfate <sh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 25, 12:14 pm, Waldo Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>> I actually chased this quote down (fasgnadh obscured it for obvious
> > reasons). fasgnadh Left a bit out. Do you want to admit to and reveal
> > your omission, fasgnadh, or shall I?
>
> <snip>
>
> It really isn't worth your time.  The guy's been playing the same
> "atheism murders babies and cripples" (or whatever) record for years
> now.

Yeah, I've heard this.

> He makes unnecessarily gigantic posts filled with emoticons of
> his own devising,

That's a crack up. I think Freud talked about this too.

> quoting conversations that never happened and facts
> he gathered from various hand-picked propaganda sources.

Don't you think this kind of thing should be encouraged? Follow me
here: The time fasgnadh dedicates to this goofiness is time s/he
doesn't spend on the street or in the garage making pipe bombs to
eradicate "devil of the week."

Also... I'm revealing secrets here, but one of the most rewarding on-
line pursuits is to provoke someone whose response is already at level
10. It's funny. They got no where to go. Fasgnadh is an incorrigible
flamer and reducing him to spluttering might be fun.

 >Refuting the
> ridiculous is an admirable goal, don't get me wrong, but
> fasgakjhsejkhat is best treated with the nonchalance he so adamantly
> deserves.

I hear ya. So far our Southern Australian has chosen not to engage me.
I probably won't waste too much time on the lad.

Ciao, babe

[raven1]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:47:38 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

No one asked for your opinion. Fuck off.

[raven1]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:52:16 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>“Down with religion and long live atheism;
> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

Why do you continue to repeat this as if it represented Lenin's views?
As I have demonstrated more than once, this quote came from a speech
in which he argued *against* that position. Your dishonesty is
disgusting. Shame on you. And before you immediately run off on
another string of libel against me, I am not a supporter of Lenin, I
am merely exposing you as the dishonest piece of excrement that you
are.

[raven1]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:03:34 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
>of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
>actions of human beings."
>
>Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929

"Spinoza's God" is an underlying order to the universe, not a personal
being, as Einstein made clear many, many times.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 27, 5:40 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:47:38 +1100, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:
>
> No one asked for your opinion. Fuck off.

Hahahahahahaha!

[Waldo Tunnel]

I think I embarrassed fagsnadh by mentioning:

"Clearly fagsnadh is fascinated by atheists to the degree he has been
archiving atheists posts for _years_ now. (see below)"

s/he clipped the above for obvious reasons. fagsnadh doesn't like it
widely known that s/he is obsessed with atheists and religiously saves
their posts. S/he let it rip once that s/he had over 4 gigs of
atheists posts (!) and was piling up more every day. But don't expect
her to admit it...

On Feb 25, 8:36 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Waldo Tunnel wrote SFA, just the usual ad hom lies and atheist wanking:
>
> > On 25/02/2012 11:41 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>
> >>  > there are a number of self identified atheists here in
> >>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
> >> ...

[...]

>
> >> "Atheists are Pussies" B^D
>
>  >
>  > Is this supposed to mean something? D^X ( <- ps, fagsnadh deleted this emoticon of mine. I wonder why. Hahahahaha! )

>
> It means that atheists claim anything without a belief is an atheist; cats, maggotts, dog shit...

Your mama?

>
> They are the SMARTEST of the atheist menagerie!    B^]

Does the "B" in your emoticon (above) mean you have tits? Just
asking.

>
> You rank below the dog shit for originality and wit.

You seem hopelessly confused about the distinction between your
opinion and fact. Is this typical of the kind of logical education
deficit in your neck of the woods?

[...]

>
> That was Best Abu Baker Bashir could do..
> anotehr whiney little athesit bitch having
> a hissy fit and breakdown in public!

Wow, all those typos. You seem a bit disconcerted. If so I apologize.

> We held a whip round to buy him a self addressed envelope
> and a stamp!
>
> He he, that was me, taking the piss of the whiney little bitch

"We held a whip round..."? " taking the piss of the whiney little
bitch..."? Look. It was never my intent to shake you up. Please, try
to relax.

> and this is the best that quarter wit Waldo could come up with:

Hahaha! as if my best was required.

>
>  > This is the best fasgnadh can come up with.
>
> Don't you even know who you are!?   B^D  YOU wrote that!

Hey if you want to behave as if you are exempt from the rules, fine.
But don't make me gag with these displays of pious mummery.

> B^D

A fat chick with big tits? Mrs. fagsnadh?

> >>> Olrik
>
> >> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
> >> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):

[...]

>  >
>  > I actually chased this quote down
>

> sure, I provide evidence and you have to try ands [sic] find something you

> can WHINE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH about,

Damn it! I touched a nerve again. Sorry. I didn't mean to.

> in a desperate bid to distract

Checking out your "evidence" is distraction?

> from the CRITICAL ADMISSION by Olrik that he is a LYING SHITPIG!

Phew! What can I say? Proof by cap lock is very persuasive.

>  >fasgnadh Left a bit out.
>
> Of course, his admission is the only relevant part.

Eh?
>
> Other wise [sic] you or the Kook-sucking tools whine that

> "2 many wurds, our branes hurtz"

If you were a bit more polite I might be inclined to give you some
pointers regards on-line debate and how to avoid relying entirely on
posturing. Pearls/swine. You figure it out.
>
> B^D

A big ass chick with a pointy nose. Am I getting warm?

>
> Naturally you want to bury the relevant part in endless GARBAGE!

I'm really bogging you down, huh.

>  >  shall I?
>
> You want MY permission, you servile little slut?

Um, I would appreciate it if you didn't talk to me like I was your
sister. Thanks in advance.

> Sure Gutter snipe, do some work for a change,
> we could all do with a laugh

"We"? Is the flea collar ineffective?

> watching you whine
> about some irrelevant distraction

LOL! Like your quotes.

> that DOES NOT
> CHANGE THAT SHITPIGS CONFESSION in any significant way!

You know I was about to argue with this until you came up with _proof_
by cap lock once again.

[...]

"Arguing with a person who has renounced his reason is like giving
medicine to the dead". --Thomas Paine

Ciao, babe

[Zacharias Mulletstein]

"raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:pt1nk79qdf4u0t4pt...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:47:38 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> No one asked for your opinion. Fuck off.

Nobody asked for yours either, God-hater.

[Richo]

On Feb 26, 12:07 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
>

(1) The newsgroup "alt.atheism" isn't atheism (or Atheism) - they are
two separate entities.

(2) Atheism (and more generally non-belief) is a growing demographic -
excepting in places where it can get you killed by the faithful.

Mark.

[fasgnadh]

On 28/02/2012 12:50 AM, raven1 wrote:
> On 25/02/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:

>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
>>> <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>
>> ...
>>>>

>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>> of course:
>>>>
>>>> Alex W.
>>>>
>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>
>>>> DanielSan
>>

>> # From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
>> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
>> # was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
>> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800
>> # Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>
>> #
>> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
>> # > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>> #
>> # >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
>> # >
>> # > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
>> #
>> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.
>>
>> "Atheists are Pussies" B^D
>>

>>>> John Baker
>>
>>
>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>> # I've been giving it quite a
>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>> #
>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>> #
>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>> @
>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>> #
>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>
>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>
>>
>>

>> >> Mitchell Holman
>> >>
>> >> Sulfate
>> >>
>> >> Jim Burns
>> >>

>> >> Olrik
>>
>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>

>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> #
>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>
>>

>> Yup, all mad as cut snakes!

>>
>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few.
>>

>> St Dawkins: "These Gods Came into Being"
>>
>> His Acolyte, Bukakke:
>>

>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>

>> Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:
>>

>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups:

>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>> #
>> # Budikka
>>
>>
>> Warlord Fluffy:
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #
>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA

Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.

Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's
hate speech advocating murder and ritual defilement
of theists.

Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA, and a defender
of Lenin and the Other atheist tyrants responsible for the
deaths of over 80,000,000 people!

8^o

>> Chris Lee:
>>
>>
>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
>>

In contrast to these filthy, foul-mouthed violent atheist thugs,
Ravin has acknowledged my calm reason and articulate, well
evidenced, arguments;

"Please feel free to express your opinions in China as
frequently and as tactfully as you do on Usenet." - Raven

I certainly will, because the Chinese know from bitter experience
the crushing of the Human Spirit which atheist regimes impose, and they
have rejected militant atheism and turned, in their hundreds of
millions, to theism.

Let's watch the impotent atheist stooges gnash their teeth
in anguish: B^D

>>>> Please nominate your own
>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."
>>
>> Sure, it's a pretty short list:
>>
>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"

Of course not, the only atheist states in history ahve been,
as you admitted, totalitarian tyrannies:


>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
>> # and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> #
>> # > raven1 wrote:
>> # >
>> # >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,

Don't forget, Lenin started that repressive, murderous, dysfunctional
ATHEIST state:

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."

- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
- Stalin
E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940

But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire atheist State apparatus;

The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[

“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper

“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)

"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853

"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"

"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"

John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)

>> “Down with religion and long live atheism;
>> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> Why do you continue to repeat this as if it represented Lenin's views?

Because Lenin's ACTIONS were to implement a totalitarian atheist
tyranny, as you have admitted an "officially atheistic regime".

I don't rely on an atheists WORDs alone, like you semantic frauds with
your Weasel Words, because ACTIONS speak louder than words, and Lenin
was a militant atheist tyrant who persecuted theists

> As I have demonstrated more than once, this quote came from a speech
> in which he argued *against* that position.

Your opinion doesn't match reality.. and you contradict your own
admission that the Soviet Union WAS "an officially atheist regime"

> Your dishonesty is disgusting.

I'm not the one making contradictory claims about the filthy atheist
shitpigs and their murderous totalitarian tyranny, just to COVER UP,
what you are already on record admitting!

> Shame on you.

For quoting you atheists with all your lies? AND all the acts and
threats which demonstrate what bloody tyrannies EVERY atheist regime,
including Lenin's, Stalin's, Mao's and Pol Pots, were!

Get a grip sport, you just look like a tool for those murderous
atheist shitpigs.

> And before you immediately run off on
> another string of libel against me, I am not a supporter of Lenin,

Are you defending or denouncing the terror, torture and mass murder
carried out by Lenin, Stalin and Mao in their "officially atheistic
regimes"?

> I am merely exposing you

No you are merely claiming that Lenin wasn't the leader of the
murderous, OFFICUALLY ATHEIST REGIME, you have already admitted
the Soviet Union was!

Your position is untenable. YOu are exposed

> as the dishonest piece of excrement that

any apologist for the atheist tyrannies is.


>>>> Thanks!


-

---------

Atheists are in retreat:

Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."

- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[raven1]

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:38:45 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.

"Bad-Assed Atheists With Attitude", but thanks for revealing straight
off what a lying sack of excrement you are.

>Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's
>hate speech advocating murder and ritual defilement
>of theists.

Lie #2 (which, I might note, I predicted you would resort to).

>Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA,

And proud of it.

> and a defender
>of Lenin

And there's the inevitable continuation of lie #2, which, again, I
predicted you would resort to.

Again, for the record, I am not a defender of Lenin, I am opposed to
you lying about quotes that are a matter of public record. You have
been quote-mining Lenin to imply that he supported a position that he
was *opposing* in a speech, and when called on it, you *continue* to
repeat the same lie. If your position had any merit, you could defend
it honestly, without resorting to such dishonesty. You're disgusting.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 29, 2:38 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 28/02/2012 12:50 AM, raven1 wrote:
>
> > On 25/02/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel

> >>> <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[...]

>
> Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.
>
> Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's
> hate speech advocating murder and ritual defilement
> of theists.
>
> Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA, and a defender
> of Lenin and the Other atheist tyrants responsible for the
> deaths of over 80,000,000 people!

There is some sub group of reader who is impressed by blatant
assertion.
>
> 8^o

Thousands of people are dying to know what your goofball emoticons
mean.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 27, 5:50 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:52:16 +1100, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:
>
> >“Down with religion and long live atheism;
> >   the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
> >      - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> Why do you continue to repeat this as if it represented Lenin's views

Oh, I know, I know!

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On 2012-Feb-28 03:49, Richo wrote:
> On Feb 26, 12:07 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
>
> (1) The newsgroup "alt.atheism" isn't atheism (or Atheism) - they are
> two separate entities.

Yes. This is just a newsgroup where a small number of atheists (and an
apparently large number of proselytizers) share discourse.

> (2) Atheism (and more generally non-belief) is a growing demographic -
> excepting in places where it can get you killed by the faithful.

...and in support of your observation I suspect that there are likely a
significant number of people who just keep it to themselves as a matter
of survival (Iran, for instance, according to many Iranian people I know
who left but still have family there).

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Ideas do not need weapons."
-- Fidel Castro

[fasgnadh]

On 1/03/2012 12:47 AM, raven1 wrote:

>> Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.

> "Bad-Assed Atheists With Attitude",

When your violent psycho-sexual hate speech talks of
desecrating the bodies of those you have killed then

"Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape" is CLEARLY more truthful! B^[

but thanks for revealing straight
off what a lying sack of excrement you are.

>> Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's
>> hate speech advocating murder and ritual defilement
>> of theists.
>
> Lie #2 (which, I might note, I predicted you would resort to).

"Under Pressure, Raven denies he is part of the BAAWA cult
and pretends they don't advocated murder and ritual defilement,
even though they declare it openly! pffffft!

>> Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA,
>
> And proud of it.

>> and a defender of

their sick-fuck "Warlord"{snicker}, and his vile hate-speech,
who models himself on

---------

Atheists are in retreat:

Dawkin's contradicts himself:

He used to say simply "there is no God"

now he says

“I think the probability of a supernatural creator
existing (is) very, very low.”
- The Washington Post 28/2/2012

But Pope Dawkins also declared that Atheist Gods exist:

[fasgnadh]

On 1/03/2012 11:01 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:

> On 29/02/2012 9:38 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 28/02/2012 12:50 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel

>> Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.
>>
>>
>> Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's
>> hate speech advocating murder and ritual defilement
>> of theists.
>>
>> Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA, and a defender
>> of Lenin and the Other atheist tyrants responsible for the
>> deaths of over 80,000,000 people!
>>

>> 8^o
>
> Thousands of people are dying to know what your

....
> emoticons mean.

I think your estimates of my readership following is a bit high.

It's probably no more that 5-6 hundred. B^D

Stop exaggerating, you atheist Drama Queen! B^p

> There is some sub group of reader who is impressed by blatant
> assertion.

Atheists:

http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html

But they contradict themselves!

[raven1]

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:47:29 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > "Bad-Assed Atheists With Attitude",
>
>When your violent psycho-sexual hate speech talks of
>desecrating the bodies of those you have killed then

Let's see. I count three lies in that sentence alone. Impressive.

>"Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape" is CLEARLY more truthful! B^[

Based on what? Your delusions? Apparently.

>>but thanks for revealing straight
>>off what a lying sack of excrement you are.

My quote addressed at you, now properly re-attributed. HTH.

>
>>> Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's
>>> hate speech advocating murder and ritual defilement
>>> of theists.
> >
> > Lie #2 (which, I might note, I predicted you would resort to).
>
>"Under Pressure, Raven denies he is part of the BAAWA

ROTFLMAO! I proudly declared my membership in BAAWA, idiot. You even
left it in below. I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but
do you really think everyone else in these NGs is retarded, and won't
notice your blatant dishonesty at every turn?

> cult
> and pretends they don't advocated murder and ritual defilement,
> even though they declare it openly! pffffft!

LOL again! You're so full of bullshit that you could fertilize the
entire world's grain crop for the year. Nice try, but exactly who do
you think you're fooling?

>>> Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA,
> >
> > And proud of it.

So much for my "denial", imbecile.

> >> and a defender of
>
>their sick-fuck "Warlord"{snicker}, and his vile hate-speech,

It's hardly "hate speech" to point out that you're probably the vilest
waste of oxygen and other resources who has ever left a trail of slime
and venom across Usenet, it's a simple observation.

[Paul David Wright]

And Failednuts is an unrepentant liar.

PDW

[Paul David Wright]

He hates us far too much to stop lying about us.

PDW

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Mar 2, 5:56 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 1/03/2012 11:01 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:> On 29/02/2012 9:38 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >> On 28/02/2012 12:50 AM, raven1 wrote:
> >>> On 25/02/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>>> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel

> >>>>> <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> >> Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA, and a defender
> >> of Lenin and the Other atheist tyrants responsible for the
> >> deaths of over 80,000,000 people!


> Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.
> Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's
> hate speech advocating murder and ritual defilement
> of theists.
> Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA, and a defender
> of Lenin and the Other atheist tyrants responsible for the
> deaths of over 80,000,000 people!

> > There is some sub group of reader who is impressed by blatant
> > assertion.

>

> >> 8^o
>
>  > Thousands of people are dying to know what your
> ....

>  >goofball emoticons mean.

>
> I think your estimates of my readership following is a bit high.

Hahahahahahahaha! The text of mine you delete from mid sentence (and I
replaced) is revealing of your sensitivities, old sport. Sorry if I
once again touched a nerve.

[...]

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Feb 25, 9:03 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:

>
> >> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM,WaldoTunnel wrote:
>
> >>>  there are a number of self identified atheists

> >>>   who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>

> > Heading up any such list
>
> of theists
>
> > should be Albert Einstein.
>

> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
> actions of human beings."
>
> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>

> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
> imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
> This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
> Religion...

Nice edit!

> science without religion is lame,
> religion without science is blind."
>
> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>
> Most of the Great Scientists have been theists, from Newton
> to LeMaitre, from Galileo to Maxwell:

Oh. Well that must mean GOD EXISTS! Right?

How about that.


PS. Explain, then, why you are an AGNOSTIC?

Hmmmm?



Ciao babe

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

You likely did more than merely "touching a nerve" for most religious
right-wing-nuts seem to get extremely angry whenever someone uses their
own arguments against them (sort of like how you just did that to him).

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"What happens when your blood/alcohol-level is higher than your I.Q.?
You go to jail."
-- Spike TV

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"

<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> On 2012-Mar-02 21:07, Waldo Tunnel wrote:

> > On Mar 2, 5:56 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >> On 1/03/2012 11:01 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:>  On 29/02/2012 9:38 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>>> On 28/02/2012 12:50 AM, raven1 wrote:
> >>>>> On 25/02/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>>>>> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
> >>>>>>> <waldotun...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > [...]

[...]

> >> Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA, and a defender
> >> of Lenin and the Other atheist tyrants responsible for the
> >> deaths of over 80,000,000 people!
>

> >>>   There is some sub group of reader who is impressed by blatant
> >>> assertion.
>
> >>>> 8^o
>
> >>   >  Thousands of people are dying to know what your

> >>   >goofball  emoticons mean.
>
> >> I think your estimates of my readership following is a bit high.
>
> > Hahahahahahahaha! The text of mine you delete from mid sentence (and I
> > replaced) is revealing of your sensitivities, old sport.  Sorry if I
> > once again touched a nerve.
>

> You likely did more than merely "touching a nerve" for most religious
> right-wing-nuts seem to get extremely angry whenever someone uses their
> own arguments against them (sort of like how you just did that to him).

Good point. However it doesn't apply here.

What do I mean?

This: fasgnadh is neither religious nor right wing! No shit. Shocking,
I know. But check it out:

Message-ID: <FMz0o.1031$FH2...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

"Im an agnostic so your smoke-and-mirrors distraction is just a
typical descent by atheist bigots into irrelevance.."

What drives fasgnadh is a core hatred of atheists. No religion
required.



Cheers!

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"

I just wanted to say that I love your attitude. I also wanted to warn
you that it is easy to become bitter and angry over religious idiots
who show up spouting the same old crap you've refuted a dozen times
before. My suggestion is not to give into the temptation to simply
flame the rubes. It might be fun but it also leaves a lasting
impression, one that probably doesn't represent you at all.


Ciao babe

[raven1]

He has, however, made it clear that his "agnostic" label is only
partially true: he's actually an agnostic theist. (It took my goading
him about his also being an atheist for him to admit this.)

>What drives fasgnadh is a core hatred of atheists. No religion
>required.

I've found that (especially on Usenet) self-described "agnostics"
often have a great antipathy towards atheists, whether from an
unwillingness or fear to stop straddling the fence, or for other
reasons, I do not claim to know.

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[Waldo Tunnel]

> >Message-ID: <FMz0o.1031$FH2....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

>
> >"Im an agnostic so your smoke-and-mirrors distraction is just a
> >typical descent by atheist bigots into irrelevance.."
>

> He has, however, made it clear that his "agnostic" label is only
> partially true: he's actually an agnostic theist.

Interesting.

>(It took my goading
> him about his also being an atheist for him to admit this.)

LOL! Good work.

>
> >What drives fasgnadh is a core hatred of atheists. No religion
> >required.
>
> I've found that (especially on Usenet) self-described "agnostics"
> often have a great antipathy towards atheists,

I've noticed that too.

> whether from an
> unwillingness or fear to stop straddling the fence, or for other
> reasons, I do not claim to know.

Yeah. No telling what the reason is. I don't think it is philosophical
however.

>
> ---
> raven1
> aa # 1096
> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
> BAAWA Knight

Cheers

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On 2012-Mar-03 11:44, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
> On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>
> I just wanted to say that I love your attitude. I also wanted to warn

Thank you, I very much enjoy your contributions too.

> you that it is easy to become bitter and angry over religious idiots
> who show up spouting the same old crap you've refuted a dozen times
> before. My suggestion is not to give into the temptation to simply
> flame the rubes. It might be fun but it also leaves a lasting
> impression, one that probably doesn't represent you at all.

I appreciate this perspective, particularly because I think you make a
very good point about not giving into temptation as this seems to be a
failing that comes naturally to people -- there's an old adage I'm
reminded of that applies here: "Familiarity breeds contempt."

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Every time you lie about science, Yahweh kills a kitten."
-- David Silverman, Defender of Civilisation

[Les Hellawell]

Ye I agree. I can see no reason for an agnostic to hate atheists
as passionately as Chaff does which indicates to me that he is
a thiest-agnostic

>
>>What drives fasgnadh is a core hatred of atheists. No religion
>>required.

But then you will need to explain what drives this hatred. What
possible reason could an agnostic have for hating us that way
he does?

>
>I've found that (especially on Usenet) self-described "agnostics"
>often have a great antipathy towards atheists, whether from an
>unwillingness or fear to stop straddling the fence, or for other
>reasons, I do not claim to know.

That, I suspect will depend on whether they are theist-agnostics
or atheist-agnostics. I sure there are a good few atheist-agnostics
amongst us. IIRC correctly Virgil is one (apologies if I am wrong)

--
__

Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The county of broad Acres


"Fear God and honour the King
Or to these stocks I will you bring"
- message on the stocks at Dunwich

A priest there who was convicted of rape
in 1407 got away with a fine

[Paul David Wright]

He's not a religious person, asshole.

PDW

[Paul David Wright]

You first, indecisive hateful bigot.

PDW

[Paul David Wright]

It's hardly rocket science, you know.

PDW

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Mar 3, 11:53 pm, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"

<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> On 2012-Mar-03 11:44, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>
> > On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>
> > I just wanted to say that I love your attitude. I also wanted to warn
>
> Thank you, I very much enjoy your contributions too.
>
> > you that it is easy to become bitter and angry over religious idiots
> > who show up spouting the same old crap you've refuted a dozen times
> > before. My suggestion is not to give into the temptation to simply
> > flame the rubes. It might be fun but it also leaves a lasting
> > impression, one that probably doesn't represent you at all.
>
> I appreciate this perspective, particularly because I think you make a
> very good point about not giving into temptation as this seems to be a
> failing that comes naturally to people -

Especially intelligent and impatient people.

>- there's an old adage I'm
> reminded of that applies here:  "Familiarity breeds contempt."

Good point! Hahahahaha.

[Waldo Tunnel]

On Mar 4, 2:03 am, Les Hellawell <les_...@here.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:23:24 -0500, raven1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:35:35 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
> ><waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
> >><godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2012-Mar-02 21:07, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>
> >>> > On Mar 2, 5:56 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >>> >> On 1/03/2012 11:01 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:>  On 29/02/2012 9:38 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>> >>>> On 28/02/2012 12:50 AM, raven1 wrote:
> >>> >>>>> On 25/02/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>> >>>>>> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
> >>> >>>>>>> <waldotun...@gmail.com>  wrote:


[...]

> >>What drives fasgnadh is a core hatred of atheists. No religion
> >>required.
>
> But then you will need to explain what drives this hatred.

Good point. Some possibilities:

1) A personal history with unpleasant atheists.

2) Agnostics are often offended by what they see as atheist certainty.

3) When an agnostic discovers that his (un)belief system comes damn
close to the atheist position the agnostic might need to distance
himself.

However none of these hypotheticals seem to explain the over-the-top
dedication to smearing atheists that is fundamental to the anti-
atheists here.

It's funny. If the anti-atheists who spend all their time here were to
leave, who would miss them? But notice that if the atheists left, the
anti-atheists trolls would have nothing to do. IOW they need us. We
don't need them.

Such is life.

[Smiler]

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:53:26 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess wrote:

> On 2012-Mar-03 11:44, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>> On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>>
>> I just wanted to say that I love your attitude. I also wanted to warn
>
> Thank you, I very much enjoy your contributions too.
>
>> you that it is easy to become bitter and angry over religious idiots
>> who show up spouting the same old crap you've refuted a dozen times
>> before. My suggestion is not to give into the temptation to simply
>> flame the rubes. It might be fun but it also leaves a lasting
>> impression, one that probably doesn't represent you at all.
>
> I appreciate this perspective, particularly because I think you make a
> very good point about not giving into temptation as this seems to be a
> failing that comes naturally to people -- there's an old adage I'm
> reminded of that applies here: "Familiarity breeds contempt."

Or 'not suffering fools gladly.'

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On 2012-Mar-06 15:35, Smiler wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:53:26 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> atheist goddess wrote:
>> On 2012-Mar-03 11:44, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>> On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>>>
>>> I just wanted to say that I love your attitude. I also wanted to warn
>>
>> Thank you, I very much enjoy your contributions too.
>>
>>> you that it is easy to become bitter and angry over religious idiots
>>> who show up spouting the same old crap you've refuted a dozen times
>>> before. My suggestion is not to give into the temptation to simply
>>> flame the rubes. It might be fun but it also leaves a lasting
>>> impression, one that probably doesn't represent you at all.
>>
>> I appreciate this perspective, particularly because I think you make a
>> very good point about not giving into temptation as this seems to be a
>> failing that comes naturally to people -- there's an old adage I'm
>> reminded of that applies here: "Familiarity breeds contempt."
>
> Or 'not suffering fools gladly.'

Do you know why they hang themselves so often? Because they come with
nooses pre-installed.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they
have to say something."
-- Plato of Athens

[fasgnadh]

On 5/03/2012 5:49 AM, Paul David Wright wrote:

>> "Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape" is CLEARLY more truthful! B^[
>>
>

> He's not a religious person,

You are kidding me, an atheist psychopath is NOT a religious person?

Who woulda guessed? B^D

What is he, in your opinion?

> asshole.


Then I guess you will soon be adopting the orthodox atheist
position and sticking your head in him;

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Head-Up_Ass.png


> PDW

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>>>>>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>>>
>>>> Of course not, the only atheist states in history ahve been,
>>>> as you admitted, totalitarian tyrannies:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:

# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being
# - Richard Dawkins

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
Do they have names?

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??

..Atheist activist Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 7:45 PM, Vurgil wrote:
> On 26/02/2012 3:17 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 8:20 AM, Vurgil wrote:

>>> On 26/02/2012 12:07 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:

>>>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>> >>

>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>

>>>> about 100% of them.

>>>> They are all as mad as cut snakes...
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own

>>>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> The ranks have thinned.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I did a lot of the thinning in a.a. B^]
>>>>
>>>> but the process is repeated worldwide:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
>>>> population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
>>>> Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
>>>> advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
>>>> two thirds.
>>>>
>>>> So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
>>>> conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
>>>> the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
>>>> it's not happening at all.
>>>>
>>>> People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
>>>> and religion itself is also evolving"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Dr Reza Aslan
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
>>>>
>>>> Atheism has been in decline shince the atheist tyrannies of the
>>>> 20th century: The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repressions,
>>>> Maoist China, Pol Pots genocidal Khmer Rouge, and Nth Korea
>>>>
>>>>> Back in the day we had so many...
>>>>
>>>> Now it's just the remaining atheiSheep in Nth Korea.
>>>>
>>>> # From: Richo <m.richa...@gmail.com>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>> # Subject: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farwell.
>>>> # Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> # Message-ID: <acbca475-4901-4b6d-
>>>> # ab9d-44f...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # It has been a very long time coming but I have finally had enough.
>>>> #...
>>>> # it is getting to me lately.
>>>> #
>>>> # There are no decent arguments
>>>> # ....
>>>> # And its not any "fun" anymore.
>>>> #
>>>> # Farewell
>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> (a lingering ghost from the past...)
>>>>
>>>> Just like atheism, the stale smell of an old fart.

>>> Albert Einstein
>>
>> was clearly not an atheist:

>>
>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
>> actions of human beings."
>>
>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>>
>> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
>> imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
>> This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
>> Religion...
>>

>> science without religion is lame,
>> religion without science is blind."
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
>

> Einstein is of a different opinion,

to all atheists and some theists

His response to Quantum Mechanics is interesting;

"God does not play dice with the universe."

>the kinds of gods fasgnadh tries to sell us.

That's funny, all I'm doing is QUOTING THE SCIENTISTS
who believe in God.. to demonstrate the LIES you atheists
tell, claiming that there is some fundamental CONFLICT between
religious belief and World Class Science!





>
> On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
> Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
> Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
> a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
> Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
> It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
> convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.
> I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied
> this but have expressed it clearly.


We have already esrtablished this you pathetic dimwit.

Einstein did not believe in a PERSONAL GOD, he believed in a God
who does not play dice with the universe..

The nature of each persons belief in God is their business, in my view,
but you atheists, part of your athei-charm, is to try and TELL OTHERS
WHAT THEY THINK AND BELIEVE and ignore what THEY say about it.

> If something is in me
> which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
> admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
> can reveal it.

Hey, I know lots of believers who feel PRECISELY that way, and have
nothing to do with Organised Religion.

B^D


> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views

These atheists seem desperate to DIMINISH the beliefs of great
scientific believers and yet their own Guru of Gullibility, Profit
Dawkins, they BELIEVE WITHOUT QUESTION when he says of ATHEIST GODs
"These Gods Came into being..."

Pffffft

Have you ever seen a bigger group of BLATANT HYPOCRITES! B^p

Here are the facts, from history, on the harmony between great science
and belief;

>> Most of the Great Scientists have been theists, from Newton
>> to LeMaitre, from Galileo to Maxwell:
>>

>> "Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
>> or is God to bound by the laws of science?"
>>
>> "Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
>> of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
>> that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
>> is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
>> be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
>> with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
>> that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
>> have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
>> the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
>> the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related
>>
>>
>> Most of the Great scientific discoveries throughout history have
>> been the work of theists, for centuries they were inspired to
>> search for meaning because they believed it would be found.
>>
>> When atheists, like everyone else were believers in the flat earth and
>> the Earth at the centre of the universe with Sol orbiting around it,
>> three believers, Copernicus, Tycho and Galileo created a revolution
>> in human understanding.
>>
>> It's about time that atheists acknowledged that religion and science
>> are in harmony, and the debt they owe to the preponderance of theist
>> scientists, and the progress in human understanding which has led to
>> the free, open, progressive, rights based, prosperous, scientifically
>> literate secular democracies BUILT and SUSTAINED by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> societies, not one of them built by atheist states which were all
>> totalitarian tyrannies, full of terror, torture, despair and the death
>> of over 80,000,000 people and WERE INFERIOR in social justice, economic
>> progress, science and technology!
>>
>> ---------
>> The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
>> are aware of it
>>
>> - Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
>>
>> René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
>> the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
>> used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
>> work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
>> partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
>> with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
>>
>>
>> I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
>>
>> - Louis Pasteur 1822-95
>>
>> As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
>> by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
>>
>> - Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
>>
>> The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
>> deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
>> an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
>> a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
>> which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
>>
>> - Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
>> "My view of the World" 1918
>>
>> There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
>> Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
>> religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
>> all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
>> and harmony.
>>
>> - Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
>> "Where is Science Going" 1918
>>
>> "Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
>> -Sir Arthur Eddington
>>
>> Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
>> soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
>> possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
>> wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
>> superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
>> he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
>> materialism.
>>
>> - 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911
>>
>> Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
>> the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
>> well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
>> worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
>> facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
>> beyond question." (2)
>>
>> George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
>> the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
>> complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
>> the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
>> status of the word." (3)
>>
>> Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
>> quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
>> some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
>> explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
>> instead of nothing." (6)
>>
>> John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
>> a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
>> Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
>> never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
>> indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)
>>
>> George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
>> thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
>> Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
>> intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
>> of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
>> crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)
>>
>> Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
>> Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
>> state of scientific theory." (9)
>>
>> Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
>> event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
>> delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
>> permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
>> 'supernatural') plan." (10)
>>
>> Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
>> has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)
>>
>> Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
>> of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
>> tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
>> sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)
>>
>> Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
>> our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
>> divine." (13)
>>
>> Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
>> lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
>> dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
>> conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
>> is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
>> centuries." (14)
>>
>> Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
>> take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
>> the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
>> ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
>> God." (15)
>>
>> Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
>> career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
>> atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
>> writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
>> Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
>> straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
>> them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
>> logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
>> has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
>> Physics Of Christianity.
>>
>> Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
>> described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
>> it."(17)
>>
>> Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
>> existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
>> refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
>> evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
>> requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
>> Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
>> teleological or design argument." (18)
>>
>> Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
>> in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
>> our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)
>>
>> Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
>> question but that a God will always be needed." (20)
>>
>> Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
>> however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
>> conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)
>>
>> Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
>> Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
>> marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
>> The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
>> in the universe and in my own life." (22)
>>
>> Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
>> director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
>> University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
>> in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
>> myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
>> corner of God's plan." (23)
>>
>>
>>
>> Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
>> understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
>> superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
>> comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)
>>
>> Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
>> Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
>> can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
>> billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
>> and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
>> contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
>> the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
>> of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
>> that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
>> extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
>> entirely unique." (25)
>>
>>
>> "The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
>> little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
>> ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
>> someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
>> does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
>> child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
>> mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
>> suspects." - Albert Einstein
>>
>> "The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
>> precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
>> generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
>> Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
>> I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28
>>
>> "The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
>> knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
>> and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
>> even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
>> chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
>> unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
>> you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
>> (noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
>> University)
>>
>>
>> Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
>> ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
>>
>> Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
>> on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
>>
>> Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world
>> view.
>>
>> William Turner the "father of English botany"
>>
>> John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
>> Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
>>
>> Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
>> was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
>> scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
>> based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
>> astronomical observations,
>>
>> I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
>> with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
>> and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
>> them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
>> matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
>> necessary demonstrations.
>>
>> - Galileo Galilei 1615.

>>
>> ..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
>> the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,

>> however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion

>> is lame, religion without science is blind.
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>

>> The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
>> in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
>>
>> - Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
>>
>> Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
>> (math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).
>>
>> Nicolas Steno a pioneer in both anatomy and geology
>>
>> Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
>> science could improve glorification of God.
>>
>> John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
>> introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
>> develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.
>>
>>
>> Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
>> machine
>>
>> Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
>> mathematicians in history.
>>
>> Thomas Bayes Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society
>>
>> Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.
>>
>> Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.
>>
>> Leonhard Euler mathematician and physicist,
>>
>> Maria Gaetana Agnesi mathematician
>>
>> Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
>> Michael Faraday
>>
>> Charles Babbage
>>
>> Gregor Mendel "father of modern genetics"
>>
>> Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.
>>
>> Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
>> and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
>> chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
>> development of the first vaccines.
>>
>>
>> Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,
>>
>> Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials
>>
>> Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry
>>
>> John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
>> Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.
>>
>> Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
>>
>> Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
>> model and had a Moon crater named for him. Gold Medal of the Royal
>> Astronomical Society,
>>
>> Arthur Compton Nobel Prize in Physics.
>>
>> Georges Lemaître proposed the Big Bang theory. Roman Catholic priest
>>
>> Sir Robert Boyd pioneer in British space science
>>
>> von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.
>>
>> Charles Hard Townes 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics 1966 wrote The
>> Convergence of Science and Religion.
>>
>> Freeman Dyson the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
>> Thomas Prize.
>>
>> John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
>> Change gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.
>>
>> Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
>> Noncommutative geometry.
>>
>> Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize
>>
>> Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research
>> Institute.
>>
>> John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.
>>
>> Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
>> Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.
>>
>> Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.
>>
>> Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
>> evolutionary dynamics.
>>
>> Robert Boyle
>>
>> Michael Faraday
>>
>> And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

[fasgnadh]

Richo snipped all the EVIDENCE so he could share some wishful thinking:
> fasgnadh provided EVIDENCE of atheism's relative DECLINE globally :

>> Richo acknowledges the decline of Atheism:
>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ...

<unsnip all the facts the atheists snip and run from, as usual>

> (1) The newsgroup "alt.atheism" isn't atheism (or Atheism) - they are
> two separate entities.

And while I have documented the GLOBAL decline in atheism;

- The collapse of the 20th Century atheist tyrannies
- the increase of 3000,000,000 new believers in China alone
unmatched by the increase in atheists in the USA of a mere few
hundred thousand

Richo provided his individual sense of decline.

I merely used his despair as a personal testimonial which
illustrates the reality revealed by the global figures.

> (2) Atheism (and more generally non-belief) is a growing demographic -
> excepting in places where it can get you killed by the faithful.

No evidence from you at all? How sad you can't provide any facts
to support your wishful thinking.. but you really do look desperate
when you SNIP the evidence such as that cited by Dr Reza Aslam,
on the surge in religion since the Atheist tyrannies of the 20th century
were overthrown and people regained their FREEDOM to THINK
and believe, which EVERY ATHEIST STATE IN HISTORY HAS REPRESSED!


I can see why you atheist avoid discussion of history, too much
EVIDENCE of your failures.. and that's why you prefer to
argue Metaphysics, to which there are never any answers.

I mean look at Bukakke, your one remaining, totally OBSESSIVE, Chumpion!

No matter what the subject, and who is raising it, Bukakke ALWAYS
tries to snip and run from it and change the thread to Creationism!


Has anyone told Bukakke that in my country, in every school, EVOLUTION
is taught, and that includes the Catholic sector(20% of schoolkids)
and the private Jewish, Muslim, and Protestant schools.

Why does Bukakke flog a deceased equine, when it's irrelevant to
mainstream religion?

More generally, is that ALL that contemporary atheism has to WHINE about?

I mean we are used to your ENDLESS, CARPING AND WHINING, but couldn't
you at least change the fucking TUNE occasionally! B^p


> Mark.

(Weakly) Defensive as usual

[Vurgil]

In article <Twa9r.4553$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:

Not to those who can read complete sentences.
>
>
> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods

> # came into being
> # - Richard Dawkins

Which was quote-mined by fasnagh with deliberate intent to deceive,
taken from the complete sentence:

łItąs very important to understand that these Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛

Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all




After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might
co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And heąs
intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings
of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.

In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy."

[So the context of discussion is now established as being
in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
in that context]

"Doesnąt that description sound an awful lot like God?"

[Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]

łCertainly,˛ Professor Dawkins replies. łItąs highly
plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there
are God-like creatures.˛

He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks heąs gone
around a religious bend. łItąs very important to
understand that these [future] Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.˛

Could they be immortal?

The professor shrugs. łProbably not.˛ He smiles and adds ,
łBut I wouldnąt want to be too dogmatic about that.˛


The complete article appeared in print on September 20, 2011, in

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

Note that that same article
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
also says:

Arenąt the theologianąs questions ‹ Why are we here?
Is there something larger than us? Why do we die? ‹
central to the human project?

Professor Dawkins shakes his head before the question is out.
His impatience with religion is palpable, almost wriggling alive
inside him. Belief in the supernatural strikes him as incurious,
which is perhaps the worst insult he can imagine.

łReligion teaches you to be satisfied with nonanswers,˛
he says. łItąs a sort of crime against childhood.˛

And please spare him talk of spiritualism, as if that were the
only way to meditate on the wonder of the universe. łIf you
look up at the Milky Way through the eyes of Carl Sagan, you
get a feeling in your chest of something greater than yourself˛,
he says. łAnd it is. But itąs not supernatural.˛

[Vurgil]

In article <E2b9r.4703$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
>

No he does not

>
> # "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being
> #

³It¹s very important to understand that these Gods came into being by
an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.²
- Richard Dawkins

[Vurgil]

In article <_Ia9r.4554$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> # "Itąs very important to understand that these Gods

> # came into being
> # - Richard Dawkins

But that is not what Dawkins said, Note no period, so fasgnadh, the fuck
up, deliberately cut off the sentence in the middle to make it SEEM to
say the opposite of what it actually said.

Readthe original:

[raven1]

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:41:15 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Richo snipped all the EVIDENCE

For definitions of "evidence" that mean "insane rants", perhaps.

[fasgnadh]

> Yes. This is just a newsgroup where a small
and declining
> number of atheists
> (and an apparently large
and growing
> number of proselytizers) share discourse.

Which reflects the historic decline of atheism which Dr Reza Aslan
has docmented and Ravin1 snipped because atheists don't like the
evidence of their decline.

>> (2) Atheism (and more generally non-belief) is a growing demographic -
>> excepting in places where it can get you killed by the faithful.

No evidence from you at all?

Of course the REALITY is that by far the GREATEST increase in believers
and the most rapid decline in atheism is the FORMER ATHEIST TYRANNIES,
where the KILLING was done BY the atheists. eg China and the USSR.
300,000,000 new believers in China alone AFTER the atheist tyranny
was replaced and the FREEDOM to think and believe was RESTORED!

So pretending that the decline in atheism is due to ATHEISTS
under threat is just a pathetic JOKE! B^p

They enjoy freedoms in the modern secular democracies, ALL built
by majority religious societies, which were NEVER allowed in any of
the atheist states in history.

How sad you can't provide any facts
to support your wishful thinking.. but you really do look desperate
when you SNIP the evidence such as that cited by Dr Reza Aslam,
on the surge in religion since the Atheist tyrannies of the 20th century
were overthrown and people regained their FREEDOM to THINK
and believe, which EVERY ATHEIST STATE IN HISTORY HAS REPRESSED!

> ...and in support of your observation I suspect that there are likely a
> significant number of people who just keep it to themselves as a matter
> of survival

That is what all the theists in EVERY atheist state in history had to do
to survive... go underground.

Compare that to the freedom of belief and thought, including the freedom
to NOT believe, which all the whining atheist hypocrites have in all the
democratic, MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies they choose to live in!

In contrast to atheist states, where EVERY ONE OF THEM persecuted and
killed believers, you would have to IGNORE the reality of atheists
being given the same freedoms as believers in modern, MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies, (USA, Canada, Australia, all of Europe etc...)
and look ONLY at a handful of atypical theocracies to pretend that
it's atheists worldwide who are persecuted! pffffft!

> (Iran, for instance, according to many Iranian people I know
> who left but still have family there).

I can cite the Bahai who have been tortured, persecuted and killed in
Iran, and some other religious minorities, but you present no evidence
of atheists being oppressed in Iran, and why would that make atheists
in the free, open tolerant secular democracies 'afraid' to admit they
are atheists? It appears you are simply INVENTING (implausible) excuses
for the low numbers of people who freely CHOOSE to self identify as
atheist! That is intellectually dishonest and quite desperate! B^]

The ARIS data gives the lie to your ridiculous claim that the reason
for low atheist numbers in the USA, or the rest of the world, or in
USENET, is because you claim they are intimidated.

ARIS is an anonymous survey, no one's identity is revealed, and yet even
there, people who identify as atheists are a pathetic 0.7%!

The vast majority self-identify as theist, but even among the 15% of
Americans who identify as non-religious, 96% of them explicitly reject
being ATHEIST, and even we agnostics outnumber the atheists!
(probably the other sub-groups, Wiccan, Jedi,
don't-care-to-have-an-opinion, Crystal healers, Rasta's ... are also
larger than the atheists.! B^)

# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
#
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
#
# Atheists a mere 4% of non-believers
#
# 96% of non-believers reject atheism
#
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/documents/aris030609.pdf

I can see why you atheist avoid discussion of history, too much
EVIDENCE of your failures.. and that's why you prefer to
argue Metaphysics, to which there are never any answers.

I mean, look at Bukakke, your one remaining, totally OBSESSIVE, Chumpion!

No matter what the subject is, or who is raising it, Bukakke ALWAYS

tries to snip and run from it and change the thread to Creationism!

pffft!

Has anyone told Bukakke that in my country, in every school, EVOLUTION
is taught, and that includes the Catholic sector(20% of schoolkids)
and the private Jewish, Muslim, and Protestant schools.

Why does Bukakke flog a deceased equine, when it's largely irrelevant to

mainstream religion?

More generally, is that ALL that contemporary atheism has to WHINE about?

I mean we are used to your ENDLESS, CARPING AND WHINING, but couldn't
you at least change the fucking TUNE occasionally! B^p


>> Mark.

(Weakly) Defensive as usual



--

---------

Atheists are in retreat:

Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:

# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods

# came into being
# - Richard Dawkins

[fasgnadh]

raven1 snipped the atheist quotes which prove atheist thuggery:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:47:29 +1100, fasgnadh<fasg...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

Unsnip the atheist quotes which prove the subject header is truth:

> On 3/03/2012 12:47 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 1/03/2012 12:47 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>> On 29/02/2012 9:38 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 28/02/2012 12:50 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
>>>>>>> <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yup, all mad as cut snakes!
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> St Dawkins: "These Gods Came into Being"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His Acolyte, Bukakke:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>>>>>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups:

>>>>>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>>>>>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>>>>>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Budikka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warlord Fluffy:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Warlord Steve
>>>>>> # BAAWA
>>>>
>>>> Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.

<end UNSNIP of the PROOF raven snipped and ran from>

>>> "Bad-Assed Atheists With Attitude",
>>
>> When your violent psycho-sexual hate speech talks of
>> desecrating the bodies of those you have killed then
>>
>> "Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape" is CLEARLY more truthful! B^[
>

> Based on what?

Based on the verbatim atheist quotes, the proof that
BAAWA are Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape, which you snipped
because you are ASHAMED of the evidence ...you gutless
lying atheist moral defective! B^]

>> "Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape" is CLEARLY more truthful! B^[
>>

>>>> >>>> Please nominate your own
>>>>>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sure, it's a pretty short list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>>>>>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>>>
>>>> Of course not, the only atheist states in history ahve been,
>>>> as you admitted, totalitarian tyrannies:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
>>>>>> # and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # > raven1 wrote:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget, Lenin started that repressive, murderous, dysfunctional
>>>> ATHEIST state:
>>>>

>>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>
>>>> "We must combat religion"
>>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>

>>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>

>>>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>>> - Lenin
>>>>

>>>> >> “Down with religion and long live atheism;
>>>> >> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
>>>> >> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>>

The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist! B^D

or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal cantidate to write
about religion, but at some point it did strike me that religions
cannot be, in the words of Christopher Hitchins, "the source of
the poison of everything", it's implausible, they've been around
for thousands of years, they reflect the collaborative intelligences
and sensitivities of millions of people and the idea that everything
to do with them is false and wicked just didn't start to stand up to
the scrutiny I applied to it, as I thought more about the subject.

So, that's really the fruit of my thinking"


That religion is really the source of so so many good and useful
contributions to civilisation that Hitchin's malicious lies just
don't stand up.. 8^o and as atheism is devoid of anything
worthwhile itself, it needs to STEAL some of the many great ideas
religion has to offer:


" my new book,Religion for Atheists is a deliberate attempt
to look at a number of areas where I believe that religions
have things to offer for non-believers"

Sure, Truth, Love, Compassion, Justice, Sincerity, Charity,
Mercy, Courage, Integrity..
all the virtues atheism lacks, and doesn't even understand, all
the spiritual values that atheists reject completely...

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:

alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka

" ..and perhaps believers know about these things already,
but for non-believers I wanted to look at that."

"It strikes me that at the moment the world is really divided into
believers and non-believers and the debate has become at times very
fierce, there are people, some of whom live in North Oxford who
have suggested not only that religion is unbelievable but also
that it's ridiculous, and that people who believe in anything are
simpletons, maniacs .. people who must be lectured at, to remove
the folly of their intellectual errors."


We all know the "person from North Oxford" he's criticising for
being such an arrogant, rabid demagogue with extreme views, is
Richard Dawkins B^]

"That's not really my approach, I think such an approach is sterile,
I don't think one makes progress"

True, Dawkins extreme militancy and all the money spent on Bus
ad lies to proselytise for new atheist converts never worked!

"It doesn't strike me that this is really a productive way
to go forward."

Mate, I have been telling the dimwitted Dawkinite Drones that
for YEARS now! But they are completely blind to reason! B^D

" How do you live a good life outside of a religious structure?

Well that's silly, when the good life you want to emulate
exists WITHIN that moral framework and claims that the SPIRITUAL
values are what brings life to the attempts at self-transformation!

It's like you want the Light from a lightbulb, using only
the physical MATTER, not invisible, electromagnetic ENERGY! B^D

It's been tried in EVERY atheist state and failed! B^]

How can these atheist 'thinkers' be so dumb?

"This is THE question facing modern society, and we haven't
necessarily answered it that well."

You atheists have NEVER answered it, B^D but the majority
religious societies that you want to emulate clearly have! B^]

"I think it's a legitimate question and my book is an
attempt to answer that question."

Sure, the hilarious part is that you think atheism needs
to copy religion ...because it HAS the answer already!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!

Just what Dawkins, Bukakke, Vurgil and all the other
ex-atheist believers are trying to do! ;-)

Except, THEY are copying the BELIEFs in Supernatural Beings,
i.e. they are FABRICATING GODS to WORSHIP! (Just
like every atheist tyranny tried to do with political cultism ;-)

Whereas De Botton wants to steal the PRAXIS of religion: B^D

"My starting point is to say that we should learn to STEAL from
religions."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!

Priceless! The starting point for Atheist 'philosophy' is
that having no ideas of their own the unoriginal atheists
need to pinch the ideas of the, more successful, religious!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA




"you know some people have accused me of advocating a
'pick and mix'approach to religions, and I say you know what?
you're absolutely right, that's completely what I'm doing,
a pick and mix approach.

Some people have said 'religion's are not a buffet, from which
you can go round choosing the best bits', and my answer is yes they are.
And that's precidsely what I'm doing. So i've taken my plate,
and I've gone round the different faiths, and I've done precisely that."

- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm

[fasgnadh]

On 28/02/2012 12:58 AM, raven1 wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:

>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists

>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>

>>> Heading up any such list
>>
>> of theists
>>
>>> should be Albert Einstein.
>>

>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
>> actions of human beings."
>>
>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>

> "Spinoza's God" is an underlying order to the universe,

Demonstrating Einstein's theism - "a belief in a God"
does not require that we establish the nature of that God.

(Most religious would however agree with you that God
created the underlying order in the Universe)

You seem to have trouble with simple logic and reason.

> not a personal being,

You are a personal being, you are not a God...

No one claimed Einstein believed in YOU, you cretin!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

merely that he believed in A God.

> as Einstein made clear many, many times.

>>
>> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
>> imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
>> This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
>> Religion...
>>
>> science without religion is lame,
>> religion without science is blind."
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
>>

[raven1]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:19:33 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 28/02/2012 12:58 AM, raven1 wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
>>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>
>>>> Heading up any such list
>>>
>>> of theists
>>>
>>>> should be Albert Einstein.
>>>
>>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
>>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
>>> actions of human beings."
>>>
>>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>>
>> "Spinoza's God" is an underlying order to the universe,
>
>Demonstrating Einstein's theism - "a belief in a God"
>does not require that we establish the nature of that God.
>
>(Most religious would however agree with you that God
>created the underlying order in the Universe)
>
>You seem to have trouble with simple logic and reason.

You seem to have trouble representing Einstein's views honestly:

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but

have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called

religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it."

-- Albert Einstein. December 1939. Princeton, New Jersey.

Hardly the words of anyone who could be called a theist. But then it's
no surprise that as with Dawkins, you're deliberately misrepresenting
Einstein's views, since you're either impenetrably stupid, raving mad,
incredibly dishonest, or a toxic combination of the three.

[fasgnadh]

Vurgil quote mines something about his unproven belief in atheist Gods:

Out of charity, I sent him a stamp and if you read
Abu'Baker Bashir's posts to see that he mailed himself to Stupidland!

B^D

>>>>>>> >> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Sulfate
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Jim Burns
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Olrik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>>>>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>>>>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>>>>>>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>>>>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>>>>>>

I don't think I have ever seen a more open admission of
compulsive lying that Olrik's public confession of his
constant dishonesty and slander.

>>>>>>> Yup, all mad as cut snakes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few.

See below where Vurgil, and ex-convert to Dawkin's unfounded belief
in atheist Gods, is now denouncing Dawkin's publicly, as a LIAR! 8^o

And so, according to another atheist fraud and liar, is Richard
Dawkins:


> "It's very important to understand that these Gods came into

> being by an explicable scientific progression of
> incremental evolution."
>
> Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

Go on, check back in the thread and confirm that's EXACTLY what Vurgil
wrote!


# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression
# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka

[fasgnadh]

raven1 tries to debate the rational content and FAILS:

> On 26/03/2012 11:19 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 28/02/2012 12:58 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
>>>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heading up any such list
>>>>
>>>> of theists
>>>>
>>>>> should be Albert Einstein.
>>>>
>>>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
>>>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
>>>> actions of human beings."
>>>>
>>>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>>>
>>> "Spinoza's God" is an underlying order to the universe,
>>
>> Demonstrating Einstein's theism - "a belief in a God"
>> does not require that we establish the nature of that God.
>>
>> (Most religious would however agree with you that God
>> created the underlying order in the Universe)
>>
>> You seem to have trouble with simple logic and reason.
>>

>>> not a personal being,
>>
>> You are a personal being, you are not a God...
>>
>> No one claimed Einstein believed in YOU, you cretin!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA
>>
>> merely that he believed in A God.
>

> You seem to have trouble representing Einstein's views honestly:

No I just quote him VERBATIM, explaining his BELIEF in a "God":

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
actions of human beings."

You seem to have trouble understanding that THEISM is a belief in God!

And like all atheist bigots, you then want to debate the NATURE of that
God and tell us that only ATHEISTS can decide which Gods are TRUE Gods!

and therefore count as theism!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA

> "I do not believe in a personal God

Millions of THEISTS don't, you moron! B^D

It doesn't matter HOW MANY GOD's Einstein DOESN'T believe in, he only
has to believe in ONE, to be a theist!

B^] He probably doesn't believe in Thor, either! B^D

I'm sure the Pope would say: "I don't believe in Dawkin's Atheist Gods"

But that doesn't prove that he's NOT A THEIST! B^D

I'm sure the Archbishop of Cantebury doesn't believe in Thor, but he
does believe in God. That is what DEFINES a theist!

You are completely incapable of logical thought and rational comprehension.

Similarly someone who believes in Thor, God of thunder is also a theist,
and would STILL be one if he claimed

"I do not believe in a personal God .." and went on to explain why:

> and I have never denied this but
> have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
> religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
> world so far as our science can reveal it."
>
> -- Albert Einstein. December 1939. Princeton, New Jersey.

So you have merely confirmed that he doesn't believe in a personal
God, he believes in Spinoza's God, jsut as Dawkins, Virgil and you
believe in "evolved" Gods, whatever the fuck that means!

A belief in God/s is the DEFINITION of theist, you cretin!

Now does Einstein say he BELIEVES in a particular God? Yes, Spinoza's
God.. who may have created the universe but does not change the laws
of gravity just because some atheist fool falls off a cliff, or some
fundie thinks he can pray and Gawd will stop him from hitting the ground.

> Hardly the words of anyone who could be called a theist.

All you have done is show Einstein saying he doesn't believe in ONE
conception OF GOD.. what I have shown is him categorically stating
BELIEF in a PARTICULAR GOD!

That's theism, buddy.


> it's no surprise


Then fuck off and get a clue! B^D

As always, when you CAN'R DEBATE THE RATIONAL CONTENT,

you will snip is all and pretend "there is none"

do you have any excuse for

> either impenetrably stupid, raving mad,
> incredibly dishonest, or a toxic combination of the three.

Time for you to cut and run, lightweight!

Unsnip all the evidence and rational content

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 7:57 PM, Vurgil wrote:
> On 26/02/2012 3:36 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Waldo Tunnel wrote SFA, just the usual ad hom lies and atheist wanking:

>>> On 25/02/2012 11:41 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>

>> > Is this supposed to mean something?
>>
>>
>> It means that atheists claim anything without a belief is an
>> atheist; cats, maggotts, dog shit...
>>
>> They are the SMARTEST of the atheist menagerie! B^]
>>
>> You rank below the dog shit for originality and wit.
>
> Cats maybe, but maggots and dog shit are creationists.

Atheists can't even follow their own illogic!

While most of them claim anything without a belief in God is an atheist,
Vurgil claims maggot's and dogshit believe in God!

B^D


He's not the only atheist nutjob, look at these psychos:

>>>>> John Baker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>>>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
>>>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>>>> # I've been giving it quite a
>>>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>>>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>>>> #
>>>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>>>> #
>>>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>>>> @
>>>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>>>> #
>>>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>>>
>>>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>>>

>> That was Best Abu Baker Bashir could do..
>> another whiney little atheist bitch having
>> a hissy fit and breakdown in public!
>>
>>
>> We held a whip round to buy him a self addressed envelope
>> and a stamp!

Apparently he mailed himself to Stupidville with a label reading
"FREE Village Idiot enclosed!" and they returned it to sender
marked "not smart enough for residency"


>> He he, that was me, taking the piss of the whiney little bitch
>> and this is the best that quarter wit Waldo could come up with:
>>
>>> This is the best fasgnadh can come up with.
>>
>> Don't you even know who you are!? B^D YOU wrote that!

>>
>> B^D
>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>
>>>>> Olrik
>>>>
>>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>>
>>>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>>>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>> #
>>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>>>

>>>> They are all as mad as cut snakes...
>> >

>> > I actually chased this quote down
>>
>> sure, I provide evidence and you have to try ands find something you
>> can WHINE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH about, in a desperate bid to distract
>> from the CRITICAL ADMISSION by Olrik that he is a LYING SHITPIG!
>>
>> >fasgnadh Left a bit out.
>>
>> Of course, his admission is the only relevant part.
>>
>> Other wise you or the Kook-sucking tools whine that
>> "2 many wurds, our branes hurtz"
>>
>> B^D
>>
>> Naturally you want to bury the relevant part in endless GARBAGE!
>>
>> > shall I?
>>
>> You want MY permission, you servile little slut?
>>
>> Sure Gutter snipe, do some work for a change,
>> we could all do with a laugh watching you whine
>> about some irrelevant distraction that DOES NOT
>> CHANGE THAT SHITPIGS CONFESSION in any significant way!
>>
>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own
>>>>> candidates
>>>>

>>>> St Dawkins: "These Gods Came into Being"
>>>>
>>>> His Acolyte, Bukakke:
>>>>

>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>

>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>>>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>> #
>>>> #
>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>
>>>> Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:
>>>>

>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups:
>>>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>>>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>>>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>>>> #
>>>> # Budikka
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> Warlord Fluffy:
>>>>
>>>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>>>> #
>>>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>>> #
>>>> # Warlord Steve
>>>> # BAAWA
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> Chris Lee:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>>>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>>>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>>>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>>>> #
>>>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> You're welcome, people need to be warned, as they look just like
>>>> real people.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> "One thing you can't hide
>>> Is when you're crippled inside" -- J. Lennon

Vurgil and Dawkin's believe in a DIFFERENT God from
Einstein( Spinoza's God) and the Pope (YHWH - God of Abraham)
but THEISM is the belief in a god or Gods.. so they are ALL
SELF-PROCLAIMNED THEISTS:

> I do not believe in a personal God

But you believe in Dawkin's EVOLVED Gods, so you are still Theist! B^]


> "Doesn¹t that description sound an awful lot like God?"
>
> "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It's highly
> plausible that in the universe there are God-like creatures."

Different theists seem to have different CONCEPTIONS of their God/s:

This is what Dawkin's claims, with no more proof than ANY theist; B^D

> "It's very important to understand that these Gods came into
> being by an explicable scientific progression
> of incremental evolution."
>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all


And those ex-athiests used to laugh at OTHER people's Gods!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA


Priceless!

[Uirgil]

In article <bg4dr.5012$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> Demonstrating Einstein's theism - "a belief in a God"
> >> does not require that we establish the nature of that God.

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from J. Dispentiere, an
Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New
Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was despaired by
a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious.
Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated.

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied

this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me
which can be called religious then it is the unbounded
admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science
can reveal it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views


-----------------------------------

The "Big Tent" Creationist Charter

(established circa 1980)

1. Don't ask, don't tell what happened when (must cover up those
weaknesses and contradictions of those failed YEC and OEC
"theories"!).

2. Bait and switch between proximate and ultimate causes.

3. Promote doubt of evolution, and leave it to the audience to infer
what happened instead, when, and how.

4. Bait and switch between evolution and abiogenesis.

5. Bait and switch between abiogenesis, which had to occur at least
once by definition, and the yet-unknown proximate causes of how it
occurred.

6. Use the word "Darwinism" at every opportunity.

7. Quote mine like thereąs no tomorrow.

8. Play favorites with the evidence, just like YECs and OECs, but
donąt infer anything other than that "Darwinism" is falsified ­ or
unfalsifiable ­ or dead, dying, etc., whatever the audience will buy.

9. If the "activist judges" rule in favor of the "Darwinists" ditch
the "creation" language, and use something like "design" instead.

10. If you need to do #9, claim that your "theory" is not
creationism; critics will take the bait and react with "is too
creationism!" Which lets youŠ

11. Exploit multiple definitions (especially of "theory"), and the
public misconceptions based on them.

12. If all else fails, whine about being "expelled" and play the
Hitler card.

[fasgnadh]

On 30/03/2012 1:05 PM, Uirgil wrote:

Virgil's subject header says it all really:

# Subject: Re: Albert Einstein "I believe in Spinoza's God" B^]
# ex-Atheists prefer Dawkin's Gods..
# two kinds of THEISM! - ('"The Belief in God/s") B^D

Look's like poor vurgil, (alt.atheism's village idiot), finally grasped
that it doesn't matter WHAT KINDS OF GOD someone DOESN'T believe in, if
they believe in ANY kind, then they are THEISTS!!!! B^]

# From: Uirgil <uir...@uirgil.ur>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.religion,uk.politics.misc,
# aus.politics,alt.fan.warlord
# Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:05:47 -0600
# Message-ID: <uirgil-50C0AE....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# > raven1 tries to debate the rational content and FAILS:
# >> On 26/03/2012 11:19 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >>> On 28/02/2012 12:58 AM, raven1 wrote:
# >>>> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
# >>>>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
# >>>>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
# >>>>>>>>
# >>>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
# >>>>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>> Heading up any such list
# >>>>>
# >>>>> of theists
# >>>>>
# >>>>>> should be Albert Einstein.
# >>>>>
# >>>>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly
harmony
# >>>>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
# >>>>> actions of human beings."
# >>>>>
# >>>>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
# >>>>
# >>>> "Spinoza's God" is an underlying order to the universe,
# >>>
# >>> Demonstrating Einstein's theism - "a belief in a God"
# >>> does not require that we establish the nature of that God.
# >>>
# >>> (Most religious would however agree with you that God
# >>> created the underlying order in the Universe)
# >>>
# >>> You seem to have trouble with simple logic and reason.



After Virgil's bitter denunciation of Richard Dawkins two weeks ago
it looks like alt.atheism will soon need to be renamed alt.ex-atheists:

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
# Organization: Vurgil

# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression
# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

[fasgnadh]

At least Waldo Tunnel can laugh at himself when being mocked:
> On 3/03/2012 12:56 AM, fasgnadh wrote:

>> On 1/03/2012 11:01 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>> On 29/02/2012 9:38 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 28/02/2012 12:50 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/02/2012 1:08 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:56:33 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
>>>>>>> <waldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>>>>>> of course:

Unsnip the evidence of the extra-ordinarily large number of atheists who
are completely incapable of rational discussion, as the evidence
below shows:

>>>>>>>> Alex W.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DanielSan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,aus.politics
>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Why do atheists claim to be a religion?
>>>>>> # was Re: Lucy FACTOID 101
>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:47:10 -0800
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <jee61u$acg$2...@dont-email.me>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # On 1/8/2012 11:40 PM, Swampfox wrote:
>>>>>> # > On 9/01/2012 6:31 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # >> So is a new born baby an atheist?
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # > No, that's absurd, neither is a cat.
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Sorry, Swampfox, but they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Atheists are Pussies" B^D

Seriously, the atheist claim that any entity which can't formulate
a belief in God, or a rational thought of ANY KIND, is an Atheist,
is simply HILARIOUS, and the fact that Dog Shit has an IQ higher than
most other atheists just makes it even more amusing.

Naturally the atheists snip this evidence of atheist irrationality..

because they have an absolutely, mind-bendingly DEVASTATING ATTACK
which will forever establish just HOW RATIONAL they are... 8^o

One of them will insult me with the puerile ad hom insult "goofball"
and the rest will all gather round and CHEER!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

After all, that, and pissing to mark their turf, is how atheists
determine who is their Top Dog!

Priceless:

>>>>>>>> John Baker
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>>>>>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>>>>>> # I've been giving it quite a
>>>>>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>>>>>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>>>>>> @
>>>>>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # I don't see myself continuing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> >> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Sulfate
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Jim Burns
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Olrik
>>>>>>

This is ultimate in atheist irrationality, and yet
ALL THE ATHEISTS in alt.atheism embrace this lying
fuckwits belief that he has a RIGHT, as an atheist
to simply LIE:

>>>>>> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
>>>>>> if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
>>>>>> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
>>>>>> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yup, all mad as cut snakes!
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> St Dawkins: "These Gods Came into Being"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His Acolyte, Bukakke:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>>>>>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups:
>>>>>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>>>>>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>>>>>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Budikka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Warlord Fluffy:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Warlord Steve
>>>>>> # BAAWA
>>>>

>>>> Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape.

Seriously, folks, when it comes to atheists, as you can see,
LEADERSHIP goes to the worst sociopath in the group, and they all
defend that violent atheist thug!

>>>> Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's
>>>> hate speech advocating murder and ritual defilement
>>>> of theists.
>>>>

>>>> Ravin1 is a card carrying member of BAAWA, and a defender
>>>> of Lenin and the Other atheist tyrants responsible for the

>>>> deaths of over 80,000,000 people!
>>>>
>>>> 8^o

Now, to defend the atheist credo of mass murder, Waldo snips
all that incriminating EVIDENCE of atheist IRRATIONALITY, and
posts this feeble flame, kindergarten level Nyah Nyah:

>>> Thousands of people are dying to know what your

>>> goofball emoticons mean.

>>
>> I think your estimates of my readership following is a bit high.
>>

>> It's probably no more than 5-6 hundred. B^D

>>
>> Stop exaggerating, you atheist Drama Queen! B^p

> (note mocking Ironicons ;-)
> Hahahahahahahaha!

It's good that you can laugh when your idiocy is being mocked! B^]

Unable to refute the evidence of irrational atheists, and incapable of
any rational response yourself, all you could manage was one lame and
obviously fallacious ad hom, and you couldn't even do that with any
originality or wit! B^D

Run along lightweight, you performed your task of snipping, lying
and running so well that all the other atheist maggots will feed off
your pathetic little dung dropping for days to come! B^]

Atheists only join my threads when one of them has excised all
the substance they can't refute and initiated some pathetic,
content-free, bitching that they can all join in!

> The text of mine you delete

Are you seriously going to claim your witless ad hom was
SIGNIFICANT!?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA

There couldn't be a clearer example of what FEEBLE FUCKWITS
the atheist are than a demonstration that they CAN'T ENGAGE
me in debate, ALL they can manage is ad hom ABUSE! B^]



I knew if I posted old examples of atheist irrationality I could
sting them into responding with FRESH EXAMPLES!

Q.E.D.

I removed the lie which wasn't the subject of my mockery
to give you pathetic whining little bitches something
to keep bitching about! B^]

Usually I wait till you have quite a crowd weeping and gnashing your
teeth, demonstrating the ABSOLUTE OBSESSION with me that your
entire NG has, and, at the same time, revealing your complete inability,
even acting in a Big Brave PACK of atheists, to refute a single point I
made! B^]

> Sorry

There is no point in apologising for your inadequacy, it is not going
to improve.

It's just another way of demonstrating to the impartial observer
how completely I dominate your little sheltered workshop, and
set your agenda! B^D

Well folks, as you can see from the atheist responses to this branch of
the thread, even when they are massively outnumbering me, they still
can't refute the evidence, and so all they do is engage in MUTUAL TOOL
FONDLING!!!! B^D They stroke each others fragile egos,
congratulating each other for being unable to mount more than FEEBLE AD
HOM attacks on the MAN, because they can't refute a single point in my
posts:

Look at this example proving my point, BAAWA are Brutal Athesit Animals
Without Agape: And when you kick their arses by mocking their weak
ad hom responses, they become Boring Atheist Arsewipes Whining
Annoyingly: B^D

>>>>>> Chris Lee:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>>>>>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>> In contrast to these filthy, foul-mouthed violent atheist thugs,
>>>> Ravin has acknowledged my calm reason and articulate, well
>>>> evidenced, arguments;
>>>>
>>>> "Please feel free to express your opinions in China as
>>>> frequently and as tactfully as you do on Usenet." - Raven
>>>>
>>>> I certainly will, because the Chinese know from bitter experience
>>>> the crushing of the Human Spirit which atheist regimes impose, and they
>>>> have rejected militant atheism and turned, in their hundreds of
>>>> millions, to theism.
>>>>
>>>> Let's watch the impotent atheist stooges gnash their teeth
>>>> in anguish: B^D
>>>>

>>>> >>>> Please nominate your own

>>>>>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, it's a pretty short list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>>>>>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>>>
>>>> Of course not, the only atheist states in history ahve been,
>>>> as you admitted, totalitarian tyrannies:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
>>>>>> # and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # > raven1 wrote:
>>>>>> # >
>>>>>> # >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget, Lenin started that repressive, murderous, dysfunctional
>>>> ATHEIST state:
>>>>

>>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>
>>>> "We must combat religion"
>>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>

>>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>

>>>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>>> - Lenin
>>>>

>>>> >> “Down with religion and long live atheism;
>>>> >> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
>>>> >> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>>

>>>> Your position is untenable. You are exposed

>>>>
>>>> > as the dishonest piece of excrement that
>>>>
>>>> any apologist for the atheist tyrannies is.
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>


--

[fasgnadh]

Waldo Tunnel overreached:

> On Feb 25, 9:03 pm, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>>

>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM,WaldoTunnel wrote:

> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:

>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists

>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>

>>> Heading up any such list
>>

>> of theists
>>
>>> should be Albert Einstein.
>>

>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony

>> of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and

>> actions of human beings."

>>
>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929
>>

>> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
>> imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
>> This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
>> Religion...
>>
>> science without religion is lame,
>> religion without science is blind."
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
>> Most of the Great Scientists have been theists, from Newton
>> to LeMaitre, from Galileo to Maxwell:
>

> Oh.

The truth always stumps atheist blowhards! B^]

> Well that must mean GOD EXISTS!

It certainly demonstrates the harmony which has always existed between
faith and reason, between science and religion.

And it illustrates Einstein's point beautifully

"..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding.
This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of
Religion...

science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind."

Which is why you are left with NOTHING, but rhetorical questions:

> Right?

*YOU* made the claim that having so many of the greatest scientists
throughout history being believers "must mean GOD EXISTS".. not me.

So if you are asking for absolute proof, that's YOUR job!

Unlike you atheists, I don't think in terms of dogmatic absolutes,
I put my trust in REASON.. and reason suggests that the empirical
evidence certainly shows that:

1. On balance, believers have built and sustained the great and enduring
civilisations, and atheism has only produced a handful of totalitarian
tyrannies, all of which failed catastrophically.

Even atheists now have to admit that's true:

# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"

2. Those atheist regimes were brutal holocausts, torturing, terrorising
and killing over 80,000,000 people, FAR MORE than any religion!

and now, as you concede

3. History provides empirical evidence that most of the great SCIENTIFIC
discoveries and developments have been carried out by theists, just as
they dominate the development of art, music,
philosophy,

but I still don't agree with your assertion:
"that must mean God exists"

"must" requires ABSOLUTE PROOF, but an any of us agnostics could tell
you, all we have here compellingly strong EVIDENCE, not absolute PROOF.

Your claim is not valid in logic, the agnostic position holds true.

The difference between you atheists and us agnostics is that we
don't make absolute claims, as you, and the theists, do, without
ABSOLUTE PROOF.

We leave that to you BELIEVERS.. the theists who are honest and open
about their FAITH, and you atheists who pretend to admire logic and
reason, but have less evidence for God not existing than theists have
for their belief.. as history shows.

It has always been an iron law of reason and science, that a correct
hypothesis enables a predictive capacity.. if the Cosmos is as you
claim, your superior understanding should make atheism successful in
whole domains of human experience.. science, mathematics, art, culture,
politics, economics.. and, as history shows EVERY atheist regime has
been a complete clusterfuck.. atheism produces shitholes like Nth Korea.

The theists, despite the many stuff ups, most of them in the past,
but some still appalling in the present( not just the paedophile
priests, but the coverup) have basically built and sustained the
civilisations which we all enjoy the fruits of.

Any balanced view, as the foremost atheist philosopher, Alain de Botton
and Phillip Adam's, speaker at the last Atheist world convention, point
out; must acknowledge the achievements of believers in the great and
enduring Spiritual traditions..

and every thinking person is forced, when making the comparison
with the myriad successes and accomplishments of Theist civilisations,
and the abject failure of EVERY atheist tyranny, to ask WHY IS THIS SO?

I repeat.. I think you are foolhardy to claim that it PROVES God
exists, when it is merely EVIDENCE for that claim, which many would
say puts it Beyond Reasonable Doubt, the principle used when determining
Guilt or innocence in a criminal court. What it does PROVE is that in
every epoch, faith has been no impediment to scientific genius, that
religion and reason are in harmony, and that those who claim otherwise
are ignorant of the real nature of one, or both.


cadit quaetio!

> How about that.

I know you find it astonishing to find reason argued in alt.atheism,
but for us agnostics this is the NORM!

> PS. Explain, then, why you are an AGNOSTIC?

Because, despite your claim that the vast preponderance of THEISTs
in the ranks of the worlds greatest scientists throughout history,
and in philosophy, mathematics, music, architecture, poetry and
literature, civilisation, building free open progressive democratic
states.. "must mean GOD EXISTS!" - Waldo Wanker I know that it
is NOT absolute proof.. merely massive empirical evidence for
the theist hypothesis.. There is no ABSOLUTE PROOF that God exists,

And that is the logical, and agnostic, position.

There is no ABSOLUTE PROOF that you are a thinking human being,
but I think there is some, fairly scant, evidence.. probably a lot less
than for theists being right.

>> Most of the Great Scientists have been theists, from Newton
>> to LeMaitre, from Galileo to Maxwell:
>>
>> "Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
>> or is God to bound by the laws of science?"
>>
>> "Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
>> of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
>> that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
>> is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
>> be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
>> with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
>> that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
>> have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
>> the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
>> the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related

Now my WHOLE PURPOSE in the last couple of years teaching the baying
atheist mob of arrogant dogmatists I found when I first arrived, has
been to warn, as Phillip Adams did at the Atheist World Convention,
AGAINST the rabid Militant atheists, the violent hate filled thugs,
Liek your Warlord and his BAAWA tools, the self-promoters such
as Profit Dawkins.. in just the same way as long-term atheist thinkers
like de Botton and Adams have done:

"religions cannot be, in the words of Christopher Hitchins,
"the source of the poison of everything", it's implausible,
they've been around for thousands of years, they reflect the
collaborative intelligences and sensitivities of millions of
people and the idea that everything to do with them is false
and wicked just didn't start to stand up to the scrutiny I
applied to it, as I thought more about the subject."

...

"there are people, some of whom live in North Oxford who
have suggested not only that religion is unbelievable but also
that it's ridiculous, and that people who believe in anything are
simpletons, maniacs .. people who must be lectured at, to remove
the folly of their intellectual errors."

- de Botton, "Religion for Atheists"

We all know the "person from North Oxford" he's criticising for
being such an arrogant, rabid demagogue with extreme views, is
Richard Dawkins B^]

"That's not really my approach, I think such an approach is sterile,

I don't think one makes progress" - op cit

True, Dawkins extreme militancy and all the money spent on Bus
ad lies to proselytise for new atheist converts never worked!

---------


"the atheist can be as susceptible to authority and dogma as
the Catholic"

"the confidence that I had in my teens - that religion would
be dead by the end of the 20th century - that the synagogues, cathedrals
and mosques would be museums - was foolhardy in
the extreme"

"Most people who've abandoned religion have not embraced
the thoughts and values we might try and articulate.
They've taken up shopping. They are dulling the pain of
existence in the mall, by buying things they don't
need with the credit cards they can't afford. Or they're
dulling the pain in alcohol or narcosis. Or they're just
sitting in front of the telly or the computer screen
bathing themselves in violent drama or hyper violent games.
In pornography or the pornographies of violence.

Don't be fooled into thinking that we're at the edge of victory. That
would be a delusion. It concerns me that by becoming too arrogant, too
strident, too aggressive we will stultify rather than intensify debate."
- Phillip Adams, "The Atheist Delusion" Atheist World Convention.



Haven't I been telling atheists PRECISELY THIS MESSAGE years before
your keynote speaker delivered it AT THE ATHEIST WORLD CONVENTION!!!!

Read the threads on the ARM - the Atheist Reform Movement, where
I set out the goal clearly, a manifesto to abandon the excesses
of militant atheism.. the world has SEEN IT in the USSR, Maoist China,
Pol Pots Cambodian Genocide AND REJECTED IT!

--

---------



The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist! B^D

or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal candidate to write

[fasgnadh]

This is the sixteenth post in a series of content free ad hom abuse,
lies and slander by atheists who, in post #1 snipped and ran from
the subject under discussion, and engaged in SIXTEEN empty posts
containing nothing but mutual backslapping and tool fondling:

On 7/03/2012 12:27 PM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:

# From: Waldo Tunnel <waldo...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Rational Atheists: The list
# Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:15:25 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<c55d5209-ec21-4e4b...@f5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
#
# On Feb 25, 12:28=A0pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
# > On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:12:41 -0800 (PST), Waldo Tunnel
#
# >> Atheism should not require faith. But I see that here
# >> to some degree.
# >
# > How so?
#
# I see atheists here who hold their (non) belief like a religion, a
# dogma, never to be questioned or modified. It's sad. I think atheists
# need to hold to a higher standard of argumentation

Another convert to the Atheist Reform Movement! B^D

> On 2012-Mar-06 15:35, Smiler wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:53:26 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>> atheist goddess wrote:
>>> On 2012-Mar-03 11:44, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>> On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to say that I love your attitude.
>>>

>>> Thank you, I very much enjoy your contributions too.

It's so sweet to watch two young atheists in love with their own,
and each others, ATTITUDES, because NONE of them have the rational
capacity to DEBATE ideas!

>>>> I also wanted to warn

>>>> you that it is easy to become bitter and angry

Ah, is that what explains the violent psychopath you atheists
call your "Warlord".. part of the evidence of atheist IRRATIONALITY
which Waldo snipped way back in

Message-ID:
<a46a0d71-a631-4f77...@x7g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>

This is what atheists don't want you to see.. PROOF that they
are liars, violent thugs and completely IRRATIONAL. no wonder
all they have to talk about is each others 'attitudes', beliefs and
prejudices:

From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"

>>>>>> # aus.politics

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

>>>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>>>>>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups:
>>>>>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>>>>>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>>>>>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Budikka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Warlord Fluffy:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism

Unable to refute the evidence of how irrational atheists behave, and

Don't be, I now have 16 consecutive posts in which you all
demonstrate that you are collectively obsessed with lying about,
slandering and abusing me, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REFUTE MY ARGUMENTS! B^]

>>>>>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>>>>>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>>>

>>>> Of course not, the only atheist states in history have been,

>>>> as you admitted, totalitarian tyrannies:
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir

>>>>>> # and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D

>>>>>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>>>>>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #

>>>>> Shame on you.
>>>>
>>>> For quoting you atheists with all your lies? AND all the acts and
>>>> threats which demonstrate what bloody tyrannies EVERY atheist

>>>> regime,including Lenin's, Stalin's, Mao's and Pol Pots, were!?

>>>>
>>>> Get a grip sport, you just look like a tool for those murderous
>>>> atheist shitpigs.
>>>>

>>>> Your position is untenable. You are exposed
>>>>
>>>>> as the dishonest piece of excrement that
>>>>
>>>> any apologist for the atheist tyrannies is.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!

###### Naturally, when their arses are kicked that hard, all the
dishonest atheist liars can do is SNIP ALL THE EVIDENCE, based
on VERBATIM QUOTES OF THEIR OWN WORDS.. and engage in this feeble
self-serving drivel, which has NOTHING TO Do with me or my posts:

>>>> SO over religious idiots

>>>> who show up spouting the same old crap you've refuted a dozen times
>>>> before.

B^D pointless and obvious slander and lies, I'm not spouting religion,
I'm QUOTING the ATHEISTS THEMSELVES!

I agree that it's crap, but it's ATHEIST crap, and furthermore, they
have NEVER refuted it!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAAAA

The truly hilarious thing is that while the atheists falsely
label me religious when I criticise the behaviour of atheists
from a rational agnostic perspective, they embrace Theism like
sheep, if it comes from one of the guru's they blindly follow
and mindlessly quote, although one of them, the smartest
atheist in Usenet, has seen through the lies: B^D

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
# Organization: Vurgil
# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression
# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

A rare flash of reason, and honesty, from an atheist! B^D

Because the atheists can't debate ME, they go through this
pantomime of discussing the bullshit STRAWMAN they created,
exchanging one tired old cliche after another:

>>>> My suggestion is not to give into the temptation to simply
>>>> flame the rubes. It might be fun but it also leaves a lasting
>>>> impression, one that probably doesn't represent you at all.

But what else would atheists have to say of they didn't flame, lie,
abuse and slander?

>>> I appreciate this perspective, particularly because I think you make a
>>> very good point about not giving into temptation as this seems to be a
>>> failing that comes naturally to people -- there's an old adage I'm
>>> reminded of that applies here: "Familiarity breeds contempt."
>>
>> Or 'not suffering fools gladly.'
>
> Do you know why they hang themselves so often? Because they come with
> nooses pre-installed.

The atheists cant DEBATE me, they merely babble as if their irrelevant
blather can somehow HANG ME IN EFFIGY! B^D

So, with each exchange they fondle each others tool and mutter sweet
nothings to soothe their battered egos.

The atheists are TOTALLY IRRATIONAL and live in a world of
mutually re-enforced DELUSIONS.

Jung was correct about them:

---------



The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it,
including all the ones who eagerly embraced Dawkin's
even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he claims
'came into being'(sic)

From his book Launch:

"A few years ago it struck me that there is a resource
that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation,
and an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and
has dominated the mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years
I'm thinking, of course, of religion.

And the problem is, I'm an atheist."

Yes, that's certainly a problem for any atheist! B^D

or for anyone living in any of the atheist regimes they ran! B^[

"Not just a bit of an atheist, I really am an atheist."

You make it sound like you expect people not to believe atheists!

B^D

"So, this doesn't, in a way, make me an ideal cantidate to write

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On 2012-Apr-02 00:14, fasgnadh wrote:
> On 7/03/2012 12:27 PM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
> wrote:
>> On 2012-Mar-06 15:35, Smiler wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:53:26 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>>> atheist goddess wrote:
>>>> On 2012-Mar-03 11:44, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 3, 10:04 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to say that I love your attitude.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, I very much enjoy your contributions too.
>
> It's so sweet to watch two young atheists in love with their own,
> and each others, ATTITUDES, because NONE of them have the rational
> capacity to DEBATE ideas!

Shhhh! Pay attention and maybe you'll learn something!

>>>>> I also wanted to warn
>>>>> you that it is easy to become bitter and angry
>
> Ah, is that what explains the violent psychopath you atheists
> call your "Warlord".. part of the evidence of atheist IRRATIONALITY
> which Waldo snipped way back in
>
> Message-ID:
> <a46a0d71-a631-4f77...@x7g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>

[snip - a bunch of stuff that doesn't really matter]

> Seriously, the atheist claim that any entity which can't formulate
> a belief in God, or a rational thought of ANY KIND, is an Atheist,
> is simply HILARIOUS, and the fact that Dog Shit has an IQ higher than
> most other atheists just makes it even more amusing.

You're obviously bitter.

> Naturally the atheists snip this evidence of atheist irrationality..
>
> because they have an absolutely, mind-bendingly DEVASTATING ATTACK
> which will forever establish just HOW RATIONAL they are... 8^o

Rational discourse usually adds meaningful value to a conversation; you
should give it a try sometime.

> One of them will insult me with the puerile ad hom insult "goofball"
> and the rest will all gather round and CHEER!

Your prediction is self-defeating by definition because it's more of an
expectation that you have in others to insult you. Instead of inviting
insult, why not try to engage people with meaningful discourse?

> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>
> After all, that, and pissing to mark their turf, is how atheists
> determine who is their Top Dog!

Urination is natural for nearly all tellurians whose survival depends on
eating and drinking (well, at least drinking anyway). Are you implying
that you don't urinate?

> Priceless:
[snip - various ad hominem attacks and name calling]
> >>>>>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
[snip]

> >>>>>> Bukakke is very erratic in her faith:

[snip]
> >>>>>> Warlord Fluffy:
[snip]
> >>>>>> # Warlord Steve
[snip]

> Seriously, folks, when it comes to atheists, as you can see,
> LEADERSHIP goes to the worst sociopath in the group, and they all
> defend that violent atheist thug!
>
> >>>> Raven1 supports this violent, psycho-sexual deviant's

[snip - more "what the hell?" text]

>
> Now, to defend the atheist credo of mass murder, Waldo snips
> all that incriminating EVIDENCE of atheist IRRATIONALITY, and
> posts this feeble flame, kindergarten level Nyah Nyah:

[snip]

> >> Stop exaggerating, you atheist Drama Queen! B^p
> > (note mocking Ironicons ;-)
> > Hahahahahahahaha!
>
> It's good that you can laugh when your idiocy is being mocked! B^]

One day, you may gain enough intellect to realize that we're actually
laughing at you, but it's very subtle so we completely understand why
you're jumping to your usual conclusions.

> Unable to refute the evidence of how irrational atheists behave, and
> incapable of any rational response yourself, all you could manage was
> one lame and obviously fallacious ad hom, and you couldn't even do that
> with any originality or wit! B^D

But they do come with nooses pre-installed! Do you have one too?

> Run along lightweight, you performed your task of snipping, lying
> and running so well that all the other atheist maggots will feed off
> your pathetic little dung dropping for days to come! B^]

Not all atheists are monkeys you know. You, on the other hand, seem to
be flinging a lot of dung around yourself ... hmm, I wonder?

> Atheists only join my threads when one of them has excised all
> the substance they can't refute and initiated some pathetic,
> content-free, bitching that they can all join in!

Ah, there's that bitter streak again. How's your blood pressure?

> > The text of mine you delete
>
> Are you seriously going to claim your witless ad hom was
> SIGNIFICANT!?

No. It actually wasn't intended to be significant.

> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA
>
> There couldn't be a clearer example of what FEEBLE FUCKWITS
> the atheist are than a demonstration that they CAN'T ENGAGE
> me in debate, ALL they can manage is ad hom ABUSE! B^]

As a theist, is the use of profanities a sin for you? If so, how do you
justify committing that sin?

> I knew if I posted old examples of atheist irrationality I could
> sting them into responding with FRESH EXAMPLES!
>
> Q.E.D.
>
> I removed the lie which wasn't the subject of my mockery
> to give you pathetic whining little bitches something
> to keep bitching about! B^]

Do you drink alcohol? I suspect that you do, and also that you've been
drinking quite a lot very recently.

> Usually I wait till you have quite a crowd weeping and gnashing your
> teeth, demonstrating the ABSOLUTE OBSESSION with me that your
> entire NG has, and, at the same time, revealing your complete inability,
> even acting in a Big Brave PACK of atheists, to refute a single point I
> made! B^]

You seem to have an enlarged ego because this isn't the first time I
forget that you even exist -- to clarify, you're about as significant to
alt.atheism as planet Earth is to the Milky Way Galaxy.

> > Sorry
>
> Don't be, I now have 16 consecutive posts in which you all
> demonstrate that you are collectively obsessed with lying about,
> slandering and abusing me, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REFUTE MY ARGUMENTS! B^]

I can assure you that there is no slander occurring. I also haven't
seen any evidence of obsession with you (although you seem to be rather
obsessed with atheism).

> There is no point in apologising for your inadequacy, it is not going
> to improve.

How will your apology for an inadequacy that you perceive in others make
any difference anyway?

> It's just another way of demonstrating to the impartial observer
> how completely I dominate your little sheltered workshop, and
> set your agenda! B^D

Did you know that it's possible to over-inflate one's ego? When this
happens, the next step is usually a free trip to a mental hospital.

> Well folks, as you can see from the atheist responses to this branch of
> the thread, even when they are massively outnumbering me, they still
> can't refute the evidence, and so all they do is engage in MUTUAL TOOL
> FONDLING!!!! B^D They stroke each others fragile egos,
> congratulating each other for being unable to mount more than FEEBLE AD
> HOM attacks on the MAN, because they can't refute a single point in my
> posts:

My ego disappeared when I got my pussy, Schrödinger -- there's just no
way the two of them could co-exist peacefully.

> Look at this example proving my point, BAAWA are Brutal Athesit Animals
> Without Agape: And when you kick their arses by mocking their weak
> ad hom responses, they become Boring Atheist Arsewipes Whining
> Annoyingly: B^D

[snip]

> >>>>>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

[snip]

That's not an ad hominem attack.

> ###### Naturally, when their arses are kicked that hard, all the
> dishonest atheist liars can do is SNIP ALL THE EVIDENCE, based
> on VERBATIM QUOTES OF THEIR OWN WORDS.. and engage in this feeble
> self-serving drivel, which has NOTHING TO Do with me or my posts:

That's a misnomer because you're the one who quoted that suggestion
about using a crucifix.

> >>>> SO over religious idiots
>>>>> who show up spouting the same old crap you've refuted a dozen times
>>>>> before.
>
> B^D pointless and obvious slander and lies, I'm not spouting religion,
> I'm QUOTING the ATHEISTS THEMSELVES!

That's not slander, nor does it appear to be a lie given the regularity
of proselytizing that seems to come out of left field on a regular basis
here in the "alt.atheism" newsgroup.

> I agree that it's crap, but it's ATHEIST crap, and furthermore, they
> have NEVER refuted it!

Your claim is illogical because an atheist is defined only by an
"absence of belief in deities and supernatural agents" which obviously
does not include feces or lies or anything like that.

> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>
> The truly hilarious thing is that while the atheists falsely
> label me religious when I criticise the behaviour of atheists
> from a rational agnostic perspective, they embrace Theism like
> sheep, if it comes from one of the guru's they blindly follow
> and mindlessly quote, although one of them, the smartest
> atheist in Usenet, has seen through the lies: B^D
>
> # Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
> # From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>

[snip]

> # "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression
> # of incremental evolution."
> #
> # Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
> #
> # http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
>
> A rare flash of reason, and honesty, from an atheist! B^D

Your claim contradicts itself because in that message you quoted there
seems to be an assumption that there are "Gods [that] came into being"
which automatically disqualifies the author from being an atheist.

> Because the atheists can't debate ME, they go through this
> pantomime of discussing the bullshit STRAWMAN they created,
> exchanging one tired old cliche after another:

I wouldn't be surprised if you're building another straw man right now.

> >>>> My suggestion is not to give into the temptation to simply
>>>>> flame the rubes. It might be fun but it also leaves a lasting
>>>>> impression, one that probably doesn't represent you at all.
>
> But what else would atheists have to say of they didn't flame, lie,
> abuse and slander?

What an atheist has to say depends on what that atheist chooses to say,
but your implication that atheists typically "flame, lie, abuse[,] and
slander" is fallacious because this isn't a characteristic of atheism.

>>>> I appreciate this perspective, particularly because I think you make a
>>>> very good point about not giving into temptation as this seems to be a
>>>> failing that comes naturally to people -- there's an old adage I'm
>>>> reminded of that applies here: "Familiarity breeds contempt."
>>>
>>> Or 'not suffering fools gladly.'
>>
>> Do you know why they hang themselves so often? Because they come with
>> nooses pre-installed.
>
> The atheists cant DEBATE me, they merely babble as if their irrelevant
> blather can somehow HANG ME IN EFFIGY! B^D

Are you insisting that you're not angry?

> So, with each exchange they fondle each others tool and mutter sweet
> nothings to soothe their battered egos.

This seems to be a sexual obsession for you.

> The atheists are TOTALLY IRRATIONAL and live in a world of
> mutually re-enforced DELUSIONS.

Ah yes, that's right, you're bitter.

> Jung was correct about them:
>
> ---------
>
> The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
> launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and

[snip]

Atheism is not dogmatic, and I "snipped" the text you quoted because it
is all based around the fallacious assumption that atheists are somehow
indoctrinated by atheist authors.

> That religion is really the source of so so many good and useful
> contributions to civilisation that Hitchin's malicious lies just
> don't stand up.. 8^o and as atheism is devoid of anything

Your premise is invalid because the natural values that theologies are
[at least] partially based on have been around far longer than formal
language (which religion is dependent on).

> worthwhile itself, it needs to STEAL some of the many great ideas
> religion has to offer:

The ideas you mention next did not originate in religion, although
religion often promotes them in peculiar ways...

> " my new book,Religion for Atheists is a deliberate attempt
> to look at a number of areas where I believe that religions
> have things to offer for non-believers"
>
> Sure, Truth, Love, Compassion, Justice, Sincerity, Charity,
> Mercy, Courage, Integrity..
> all the virtues atheism lacks, and doesn't even understand, all
> the spiritual values that atheists reject completely...

These aren't spiritual values, they're natural values which religion has
no patent on. You should read this web page for a more detailed
perspective on the matter:

http://www.atheistfrontier.com/values/

[snip]

> " ..and perhaps believers know about these things already,
> but for non-believers I wanted to look at that."
>
> "It strikes me that at the moment the world is really divided into
> believers and non-believers and the debate has become at times very
> fierce, there are people, some of whom live in North Oxford who
> have suggested not only that religion is unbelievable but also
> that it's ridiculous, and that people who believe in anything are
> simpletons, maniacs .. people who must be lectured at, to remove
> the folly of their intellectual errors."

The theists keep making the mistake that atheists are anti-theists, and
I suspect the motivation partly comes from an inability to comprehend
"grey areas" between the extremes of "black" (religion) and "white"
(atheism).

Where anti-theism actively opposes theism by specifically claiming that
deities are not real, atheism is theism's true opposite in that it is an
"absence of belief in deities and supernatural agents" (in a sense,
atheism also serves as an opposite to anti-theism when it is understood
to be a type of theology in and of itself).

> We all know the "person from North Oxford" he's criticising for
> being such an arrogant, rabid demagogue with extreme views, is
> Richard Dawkins B^]

That's a fallacious argument because it depends on an invalid claim that
"we all know..." and is based on ad hominem attacks.

> "That's not really my approach, I think such an approach is sterile,
> I don't think one makes progress"
>
> True, Dawkins extreme militancy and all the money spent on Bus
> ad lies to proselytise for new atheist converts never worked!

I challenge you to prove that claim.

> "It doesn't strike me that this is really a productive way
> to go forward."
>
> Mate, I have been telling the dimwitted Dawkinite Drones that
> for YEARS now! But they are completely blind to reason! B^D

Your ad hominem attack doesn't help your argument.

> " How do you live a good life outside of a religious structure?
>
> Well that's silly, when the good life you want to emulate

Bingo! That is silly because a religious structure really isn't
required to live a good life regardless of how "good" is defined.

> exists WITHIN that moral framework and claims that the SPIRITUAL
> values are what brings life to the attempts at self-transformation!
>
> It's like you want the Light from a lightbulb, using only
> the physical MATTER, not invisible, electromagnetic ENERGY! B^D

Electrons are not invisible, it's just that tools like an electronic
microscope (which was not a religious invention) is required to see them.

> It's been tried in EVERY atheist state and failed! B^]

I challenge you to provide a reference to credible historic accounts or
studies that prove that.

> How can these atheist 'thinkers' be so dumb?

Your question is defective because it depends on a premise that is an ad
hominem attack that doesn't help your position.

> "This is THE question facing modern society, and we haven't
> necessarily answered it that well."
>
> You atheists have NEVER answered it, B^D but the majority
> religious societies that you want to emulate clearly have! B^]

Religious societies all still have problems with crime and poverty, so
whatever answer they're providing obviously isn't the right one.

> "I think it's a legitimate question and my book is an
> attempt to answer that question."
>
> Sure, the hilarious part is that you think atheism needs
> to copy religion ...because it HAS the answer already!!!!

Your illogical conclusion is incorrect because the free-thinking
characteristic that typically occurs among atheists is not provided by
religion (which is oppressive by design).

> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!
>
> Just what Dawkins, Bukakke, Vurgil and all the other
> ex-atheist believers are trying to do! ;-)

There's another hint of your sexually charged obsession with atheism
again, which is disguised this time as a spelling error of the pseudonym
"Budikka666" which also qualifies your incorrect argument as an ad
hominem attack (which doesn't help your argument).

> Except, THEY are copying the BELIEFs in Supernatural Beings,
> i.e. they are FABRICATING GODS to WORSHIP! (Just
> like every atheist tyranny tried to do with political cultism ;-)

Atheism has nothing to do with the fabrication of deities.

> Whereas De Botton wants to steal the PRAXIS of religion: B^D
>
> "My starting point is to say that we should learn to STEAL from
> religions."

What's wrong with stealing? All one has to do is make a confession to
get forgiveness. What a peculiar moral configuration that is.

> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!
>
> Priceless! The starting point for Atheist 'philosophy' is
> that having no ideas of their own the unoriginal atheists
> need to pinch the ideas of the, more successful, religious!
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA

"Atheist philosophy?" That doesn't make any sense.

> "you know some people have accused me of advocating a
> 'pick and mix'approach to religions, and I say you know what?
> you're absolutely right, that's completely what I'm doing,
> a pick and mix approach.
>
> Some people have said 'religion's are not a buffet, from which
> you can go round choosing the best bits', and my answer is yes they are.
> And that's precidsely what I'm doing. So i've taken my plate,
> and I've gone round the different faiths, and I've done precisely that."

[snip - long signature]

Is that supposed to elicit a reaction from atheists somehow? It's your
life, and you're free to live it with any form of religion you please,
but try to impose your corrupt moral views on others and you'll surely
be met with resistance in the form of outright objection.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Religion is the original war crime."
-- Michelle Malkin (2005)

[Les Hellawell]

divers persons wrote

<anip>

>> Message-ID:
>> <a46a0d71-a631-4f77...@x7g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>
>[snip - a bunch of stuff that doesn't really matter]
>> Seriously, the atheist claim that any entity which can't formulate
>> a belief in God, or a rational thought of ANY KIND, is an Atheist,
>> is simply HILARIOUS, and the fact that Dog Shit has an IQ higher than
>> most other atheists just makes it even more amusing.
>
>You're obviously bitter.

Indeed and of course as everybody seems to know but Chaff a theist is
a *person* who believes gods exist and an atheist is a *person* who is
not a theist.

Since when was dog dirt a person?

Nobody else seems to think this. Do you think dog
dirt is a person? Anybody? If your think dog
dirt is a person with an IQ like Chaff does we would love
to hear from you.

I certainly do not recall any atheist telling us that dog dirt
was atheist, this is pure Chaff.

and:
"..and the *fact* that dog Shit has an IQ...."
(copied from full context above with my emphasis)

Since he claims to be an expert on the IQ of dog shit
(knowing it as a *fact* that it has some) he must have
examined lots of it. Perhaps he can explain how he measures it.

I have come across some strange hobbies, building
straw atheists and bashing them is about as strange as it
gets along with creationism, but going round measuring the
IQ of dog shit has to be just about the wierdest.

It is, of course, pure hatred, pure filth, and of course the usual
generalisations that we have learned to expect from this degererate.

>> Naturally the atheists snip this evidence of atheist irrationality..

No, we never said dog dirt was a person with an IQ so I
am not snipping this example of Chaffs 'rationality'
and credibility. Thinking he has any is as stupid as thinking dog shit
is a person with an IQ.

<snip usual Chaff blowing in the wind>

Chaffs words are so cheap they are 'throw away'
and is just what any senisble person would do to
them as the above example shows all too
clearly



Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The county of broad Acres

"It is absurd self delusion for theist and
theist-agnostics to claim that they alone should
judge atheists by their self-defining, self-serving,
propaganda, rather than the REAL WORLD actions and
consequences of atheism throughout history."

[felix_unger]

On 02-April-2012 10:11 PM, Les Hellawell wrote:

> divers persons wrote
>
> <anip>
>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <a46a0d71-a631-4f77...@x7g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>
>> [snip - a bunch of stuff that doesn't really matter]
>>> Seriously, the atheist claim that any entity which can't formulate
>>> a belief in God, or a rational thought of ANY KIND, is an Atheist,
>>> is simply HILARIOUS, and the fact that Dog Shit has an IQ higher than
>>> most other atheists just makes it even more amusing.
>> You're obviously bitter.
> Indeed and of course as everybody seems to know but Chaff a theist is
> a *person* who believes gods exist and an atheist is a *person* who is
> not a theist.
>
> Since when was dog dirt a person?
>
> Nobody else seems to think this. Do you think dog
> dirt is a person? Anybody? If your think dog
> dirt is a person with an IQ like Chaff does we would love
> to hear from you.
>
> I certainly do not recall any atheist telling us that dog dirt
> was atheist, this is pure Chaff.

On that contrary. I was arguing this very point with Daniel San, until I
just got so sick and tired of it. he maintains that inanimate objects
are atheists because they 'lack faith'. to illustrate how ridiculous his
claim was I asked.. 'what about human faeces? are they atheists too?" to
my surprise he said they were. although the argument went on for quite
some time, no atheists bothered to contradict him. (IIRC)

--
rgds,

Pete
-------
“We sensible agnostics laugh in your general direction”

“Agnostics frustrate the hell out of atheists because they have no target to fire at”

“I'll take a position on the existence of God, when you can tell me why I have to”

“Some atheists are silly enough to argue that non-atheists have no right to an opinion about atheism or to critique it”

The atheists moral dilema .. http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

“Atheist NG's are endless posturing, ad hom bitch fights and little else, they are parasitic, sustained by the creative attacks of their opponents and their ritualised, scripted, responses. The vacuum occurs because they only have ONE idea, and that is a mere denial that something exists, an impotent, ineffectual, useless sub branch of Nihilism, not enough to sustain an interesting after dinner chat, let alone a great and enduring civilisation”

“It is absurd self delusion for atheists to claim that they alone should be judged by their self-defining, self-serving, propaganda, rather than the REAL WORLD actions and consequences of atheism throughout history”

"It is a sure thing that science will prove abiogenesis before creationism can disprove Evolution"

“If there were no evidence of God at all, then no one would believe in God. How could they?”

“We do have freedom of speech in Australia, we're just not allowed to exercise it”

"Myself when young did eagerly frequent, doctor and saint and heard great argument, thought it about but evermore, came out the same door wherein I went" -The Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám

[raven1]

On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:14:56 +1000, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

<snip usual effluvium>

As I've patiently explained to you before, no one is going to wade
through 773 lines of irrelevant clutter to find out what your point
was. If you want a debate, learn to make your case concisely, not rant
and rave like a loon on a soapbox in the park.

[raven1]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:13:49 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>raven1 tries to debate the rational content and FAILS:

I couldn't be bothered to look through the 758 lines you spewed to
find any rational content, or any content at all, for that matter. Try
again.

[raven1]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:14:33 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Look's like poor vurgil, (alt.atheism's village idiot), finally grasped
>that it doesn't matter WHAT KINDS OF GOD someone DOESN'T believe in, if
>they believe in ANY kind, then they are THEISTS!!!! B^]

"Spinoza's God" is a metaphor, not a being. For an agnostic, you're as
hung up on literalism as any Bible-thumping fundie.

[Les Hellawell]

On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:29:04 +1000, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com>
wrote:

>On 02-April-2012 10:11 PM, Les Hellawell wrote:
>
>> divers persons wrote
>>
>> <anip>
>>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <a46a0d71-a631-4f77...@x7g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>
>>> [snip - a bunch of stuff that doesn't really matter]
>>>> Seriously, the atheist claim that any entity which can't formulate
>>>> a belief in God, or a rational thought of ANY KIND, is an Atheist,
>>>> is simply HILARIOUS, and the fact that Dog Shit has an IQ higher than
>>>> most other atheists just makes it even more amusing.
>>> You're obviously bitter.
>> Indeed and of course as everybody seems to know but Chaff a theist is
>> a *person* who believes gods exist and an atheist is a *person* who is
>> not a theist.
>>
>> Since when was dog dirt a person?
>>
>> Nobody else seems to think this. Do you think dog
>> dirt is a person? Anybody? If your think dog
>> dirt is a person with an IQ like Chaff does we would love
>> to hear from you.
>>
>> I certainly do not recall any atheist telling us that dog dirt
>> was atheist, this is pure Chaff.
>
>On that contrary. I was arguing this very point with Daniel San, until I
>just got so sick and tired of it. he maintains that inanimate objects
>are atheists because they 'lack faith'.

I think I would rather Dan explained what his postion was
thank you. Distortions of our POV by anti-atheists are not
uncommon, grossly so in many cases.

Theists are persons who believe there are gods, yes?

Inanimate objects are therefore technically not
theist for two very obvious reasons:

1 They have no relgious beliefs
2 They are not persons

They are not atheist either since 2 above
also apllies

> to illustrate how ridiculous his
>claim was I asked.. 'what about human faeces? are they atheists too?" to
>my surprise he said they were. although the argument went on for quite
>some time, no atheists bothered to contradict him. (IIRC)

Again I would need to see his actual words.

For which he alone is responsible.

[Immortalist]

A guy walks into a bar with a piano entertainer, sits down and orders
a beer. The piano player's monkey soon jumps on the bar and urinates
in the guy's beer. The guy yells to the piano player, "Hey, do you
know your monkey just peed in my beer?" The piano player says, "No,
but if you hum a few bars, I might remember it!"

[fasgnadh]

raven1 snipped the Einstein quote so he could LIE about it:

> On 31/03/2012 4:14 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 30/03/2012 1:05 PM, Uirgil wrote:
>>
>> Virgil's subject header says it all really:
>>
>> # Subject: Re: Albert Einstein "I believe in Spinoza's God" B^]
>> # ex-Atheists prefer Dawkin's Gods..
>> # two kinds of THEISM! - ('"The Belief in God/s") B^D
>>

>> Look's like poor vurgil, (alt.atheism's village idiot), finally grasped
>> that it doesn't matter WHAT KINDS OF GOD someone DOESN'T believe in, if
>> they believe in ANY kind, then they are THEISTS!!!! B^]
>>

>> # From: Uirgil <uir...@uirgil.ur>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
>> # alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.religion,uk.politics.misc,
>> # aus.politics,alt.fan.warlord
>> # Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:05:47 -0600
>> # Message-ID: <uirgil-50C0AE....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
>> #
>> # > raven1 tries to debate the rational content and FAILS:
>> # >> On 26/03/2012 11:19 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> # >>> On 28/02/2012 12:58 AM, raven1 wrote:
>> # >>>> On 26/02/2012 4:03 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> # >>>>> On 26/02/2012 8:18 AM, Vurgil wrote:
>> # >>>>>>> On 23/02/2012 8:56 PM, Waldo Tunnel wrote:
>> # >>>>>>>>
>> # >>>>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists
>> # >>>>>>>> who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>> # >>>>>>
>> # >>>>>> Heading up any such list
>> # >>>>>
>> # >>>>> of theists
>> # >>>>>
>> # >>>>>> should be Albert Einstein.
>> # >>>>>
>> # >>>>> "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly

>> # >>>>> harmony of what exists,
>> # >>>>> not in a God who concerns himself with fates and

>> # >>>>> actions of human beings."
>> # >>>>>
>> # >>>>> Albert Einstein, New York Times, April 25, 1929

So, Einstein believes in a GOD "who reveals HIMSELF" , but not a
personal God.

> "Spinoza's God" is a metaphor,

How can a metaphor 'Reveal HIMself' you lying atheist cretin?

Why do you talk such complete rubbish, you NEVER have ANY
evidence for your idiotic OPINIONS, this is what EVIDENCE
looks like:

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony

of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions
of human beings.”

"- These words were spoken by Albert Einstein, upon being asked if he
believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional
Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921, published in the New York Times,
April 25, 1929; from Einstein: The Life and Times Ronald W. Clark, New
York: World Publishing Co., 1971, p. 413"

A 'metaphor' Cannot .."reveal HIMSELF", you babbling atheist idiot! B^D

Einstein, like most sophisticated theists, believes in a God who is
immanent IN the world, not standing outside meddling with the laws of
nature just because you atheists are too stupid to avoid falling off
cliffs, and then blame God for not saving you! !! IT was hilarious to
watch Atheist after atheist blame the God they claim not to believe in
for the plane crash in the Hudson due to Bird Strike... "Why didn't
God move the birds" "How could he let this happen"

Clearly all you atheists believe in a BIG-DADDY-In-THE-SKY and when
he doesn't wipe your arse after you shit your pants you all get angry
and upset and become ATHEISTS! B^D

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA



Thanks for helping to kill off ANOTHER baseless lie repeated by atheists!

Oh look, the atheist ignoramus just made a spectacle of his stupidity:

> not a being.

'It is a widespread belief that Spinoza equated God with the material
universe. However, in a letter to Henry Oldenburg he states that "as to
the view of certain people that I identify god with nature (taken as a
kind of mass or corporeal matter), they are quite mistaken"'
- Correspondence of Benedict de Spinoza, Wilder Publications
(March 26, 2009), ISBN 978-1-60459-156-9, letter 73

For an atheist, you're as completely ignorant of philosophy
as you are of science, art, mathematics and theology!

What is the problem with you dogmatic, clueless atheist morons?

> hung up on literalism as any Bible-thumping fundie.

It's obvious watching you atheists interact with fundies that
you are their doppelgangers!

de Botton is wasting his time advising you to steal
ideas from religion because you HAVE NONE OF YOUR OWN.. you have
already copied the fundies in simplistic nonsense (Dawkin's God's are
as puerile as his acolytes, the atheist SHEEP!) B^D

>> # >>>> "Spinoza's God" is an underlying order to the universe,

How can a METAPHOR be the 'underlying order to the universe'!?!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAA

From the most influential atheist SpokesOrcs to the lowest stooge in
alt.atheism.. (hi Ravin1!) they are ALL delusional LIARS! B^D

[fasgnadh]

On 27/02/2012 4:28 AM, John Baker wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:12:50 -0500, Don Martin
> <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:09:55 -0500, John Baker<nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've gone for decades being ignored by the JW and LDS.


Everyone ignores atheists, not just JW's!

96% of other non believers EXPLICITLY reject being connected with
atheists, and your NG, alt.atheism, demonstrates why! B^]

>>>> On Feb 23, 8:56 pm, Waldo Tunnel<waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>> there are a number of self identified atheists here in
>>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
>>>>>
>> ...
>>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>>> of course:
>>>>>

>>>>> Alex W.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>>>
>>>>> DanielSan
>>>>>

>>>>> John Baker

>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> Sulfate
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>
>>>>> Olrik
>>>>>

Vurgil,

Steve Knight,

Bukakke

et al

>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few. Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own

>>>>> candidates to be on the list

Chris "Drillchuck" lee

>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> The ranks have thinned.

Sure, I did a lot of the thinning in a.a. B^]

but the Atheist decline is repeated worldwide:

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"


- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm

>>>>> Back in the day we had so many...

Atheism has been in decline since the atheist tyrannies of the

20th century: The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repressions,
Maoist China, Pol Pots genocidal Khmer Rouge, and Nth Korea

Most people celebrate the decline of Atheism.

>>>>> We've always had the ones who stay a while and then move on

Nemotoad
Virgil
Hypatia
Trance Stupor
Carey Kitterel
DuhIdiot
AZ Nomad
Robibnikoff
Kilmir
Smiler
Douglas Berry
pbamvv
Uncle Vic
johac
Louis 14
Frank Mayhar
Tim McGauchy
Vipera Berus

All scalps hanging in my trophy room! B^]


>>>>> Unfortunately, the trolls have gotten so bad in recent years

# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<128235a0-640d-495a...@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#

# On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
# >
# > We kill theists and shit down their throats
# >
# > Warlord Steve
# > BAAWA

#
# ------------------------------------------------------------------
# BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant

Trance, another troll I took care of, who denies the existence
of Militant Atheist thugs, here is seen signing up to Kill theists
and shit down their throats. 8^o

>>>>> that they've driven many of the long-time regulars away.

>> Shame made them run away, shame and public humiliation.
>>
>>> I miss the days when service providers actually did something about
>>> trolls.
>>
>> You would have lost Vurgil the post forger, Warlord Steve, the violent
>> thug and Bukakke who claims she can disprove Creation, in posts she
>> CREATES! YOu would certainly have lost FDrillChuck Lee! 8^o
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>> #
>> # Budikka
>>

>>>>> I wonder what makes a person so shallow, so mean-spirited and so
>>>>> utterly devoid of common human decency that they can find nothing
>>>>> better to do with their time than harrass complete strangers for no
>>>>> good reason.

Atheism, apparently, as Chris Lee demonstrates:

# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John

# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#

# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

>>>>> But at the risk of being flamed, I'll state my opinion:

> # From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
> #
> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
> # I've been giving it quite a
> # lot of thought lately, and I've
> # decided it's time for me to move on.
> #
> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
> #
> # I've simply had all I can stand
> @
> # I just can't handle it anymore.
> #
> # I don't see myself continuing
>
> # I'm going to end up going postal.

Can someone call Suicide Watch! 8^o

>>>>> much to blame for a.a's current sorry state


It is a sorry state, just like every Atheist state
in history, and it's all your own doing, you sad-sack losers.

>>>>> (a lingering ghost from the past...)

Your sheltered workshop is full of such troubled spirits;


"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."

-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists

B^D

Shouldn't your therapist have to hear that, not us!?

B^D

That's the reason a.a. is in decline, your "personal issues" are
serious personality disorders!


>>> My local JWs don't bother me anymore. I'm on their avoid list because
>>> they don't like the questions I ask.
>>
>> Particularly in front of their children.
>
> Indeed. If you can plant a seed of doubt in a young mind, perhaps the
> religious mind virus won't take hold.


But atheists claim that all babies are atheists when they are born
(no belief in God) just like cats, monkeys, rocks and dog turds are all
atheists, by the same, dumb atheist 'logic'(sic)

So the fact that >80% of the US population is religious means the
VAST MAJORITY of people abandon atheism as a bad joke WHEN THEY BECOME
MATURE and are capable of RATIONAL THOUGHT.

Mindless infants = atheist, thinking adult = Believers!


I get you argument about babies being atheists now!


Tanks, cretins, for admitting that you are just the RETARDED
remnant who REMIAN IN INFANTILE IGNORANCE because you haven't
GROWN UP!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Even Dawkins has wised up as he got older:

# "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."

That's what the theists have told you obdurate atheists for centuries!

B^D

# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods

# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
#

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all


Priceless!

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 12:01 PM, Smiler wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:44:35 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 03:29:04 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:03:04 -0800, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>>> atheist goddess wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-Feb-23 16:25, Richo wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps it's time for people to start promoting usenet newsgroups to the
>>>> masses again.
>>>
>>> I don't think the RCC would allow that at their services :-)
>>
>> They simply haven't been offered enough.
>
> Well, they have got those massive legal settlements to pay out.


Did any of the atheist regimes ever make reparations for the
80,000,000 victims of atheist state terror torture and mass murder in
the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression (USSR), Mao's Great Leap
Backward and Cultural evolution and Pol Pots Cambodian genocide..

did atheists even apologise for slaughter and crimes against humanity
far greater than any committed by the religions your feeble and
hypocritical ideology constantly mocks?

Clearly none of you whining hypocrites has heard the more intelligent
atheists calling for you to LEARN something from those who have made far
more, except for dead bodies and catastrophic mistakes, than atheism
ever has;


--

[fasgnadh]

On 1/03/2012 11:28 AM, Hannele wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 06:34:11 +0100, SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 23, 1:39 pm, JohnN <jnorri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Feb 23, 4:56 am, Waldo Tunnel <waldotun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The atheist point of view does not necessarily indicate a rational
>>>> mind. In fact there are a number of self identified atheists here in

>>>> a.a. who are as dogmatic as any theist.
...

>>>> Here is a list of atheists that seem to qualify. Strictly my opinion
>>>> of course:
>>>
>>>> Alex W.
>>>
>>>> Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
>>>
>>>> DanielSan
>>>
>>>> John Baker
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>>> Sulfate
>>>
>>>> Jim Burns
>>>
>>>> Olrik
>>>

>>>> ----
>>>
>>>> Yes, I know. I missed a few.

Steve Knight, the atheist's Warlord(snicker has to be on the list of
dogmatic psychopaths right off the scale!

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.

#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

and Chris Lee,

# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John



# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

Bukakke,

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
#
# You can keep your spiritual values.
# I'll piss on them and pass on them.
#
# Budikka

# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,

>>>> Ok, quite a few. Please nominate your own

>>>> candidates to be on the list of "rational atheists."


Wow.. the list is STILL EMPTY!!!!

Much harder to find RATIONAL atheists that nutters and Bull Goose
Loonies, eh boys?

Here, let me help:

Brian Eno, Phillip Adams, Alain de Botton that's about it!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA


And two who are no more rational than the rest of you, but have
brief flashes of honesty, whisch is as rare as reason among atheists:


# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"

# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
#
# > raven1 wrote:
# >
# >> Even under officially atheistic regimes such as Stalin's,

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
# Organization: Vurgil
# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#

# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression

# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

>>>> Thanks!

Look someone had to help out, none of the irrational atheists could
think in a sustained fashion long enough to remember what the list was!

>>> Perhaps three to five years ago we had a person who declared he would
>>> pray for an atheist on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him
>>> would be given a date on which The Prayer would be said.

I don't think anyone in that story counts as rational..

clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY rational
people among their ranks!

>>> What happened to that guy?

I'm sure someone will remember.. after all if it wasn't for the nutters
on the other side you would have no one to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA

>>> Anyone around who was being prayed for?
>>
>> That was Jason Gastrich/Gasbag. I was one of the first that he prayed
>> for. As you can see, it totally changed my life. ;-P


Perhaps he prayed that you would see how static and lifeless your
life was.. and it sounds like you have finally realised that!

> I never made his list. :( But then I didn't have my AA number yet.
> That's one good thing that came from his action: I requested and
> recieved my number. :)


So 50% of you acknowledge a positive outcome from hi sintervention on
your behalf, and the other 50% possibly had prayers unwittingly fulfilled.

Not bad.. for the theists! B^D

No wonder the few smart atheists on the plkanet advise you to learn from
the theists:

[fasgnadh]

On 26/02/2012 8:11 PM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:
> On 2012-Feb-25 15:34, Alex W. wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:14:54 -0600, Free Lunch wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:42:53 -0800, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>>> atheist goddess"<god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>>> At least you're not being hounded by Scientologists.
>>>
>>> That would require me to be famous and have money.
>>
>> If you were famous and had money, you wouldn't be

an atheist.


>> you'd be courted and seduced.
>
> That doesn't seem so awful...

first you would need to have some USEFUL ideas...

de Botton suggests you pinch some from theists, as you
atheists clearly have none of your own. B^]

Dawkins has even pinched the idea of God (but only FALSE ones ;-)

# Subject: Re: "Why does fasgnadh repost the same atheist lies?"
# From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.religion, alt.philosophy,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans
# Organization: Vurgil
# Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:32:02 -0600
# Message-ID: <Vurgil-123170....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression
# of incremental evolution."
#
# Read it all at and see that Dawkins lies.
#
# http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

Will the atheists denounce Profit Dawkins as a traitor or
just pretend it's not happening?

>> They tend to actively hound only those who dare to leave the
>> faith and talk about their experiences.

Well, he seems to be pretty vocal about his views that God exists!

# From: Uirgil <uir...@uirgil.ur>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,
# alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,uk.politics.misc,talk.atheism,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Religion for theists
# Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:51:39 -0600
# Message-ID: <uirgil-381216....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# "It¹s highly plausible that in the universe there
# are God-like creatures."
#
# "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods came
# into being..."
#
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

> ...but of course, there's always a catch!


I guess he can't make money out of atheism any more!

[dolf]

We note the smiley and one is not amused!

Those atheists are appearing to believe the Queens is nazi-whore!

[dolf]

I've been wondered about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for a
while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch, now that his prophets
Philip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit, worthless
decadent cunts and who no longer have any participation in Australia's
ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for evil that they have brought to life!

Australian Skeptics / The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]:
“And you would know about wanking, Dolt.”

dolf: “It's coming for you.

Its quite the load--It will be the death of you.

You are going to drown.

Like death warmed over--spermicidal!”

- dolf

[dolf]

% (per...@gmail.com): “It sounds like you're not having a happy day.”

dolf: “Don't you think that if Zimmerman's story was contradicted by the
physical evidence the police would have charged him?”

Old Jinglebollocks (old.jingl...@gmail.com): “Doesn't matter any more.

Can't be bothered even to read what you bums are writing on Usenet.

Fuck ye, the whole damned lot o' ye.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “So, for those of you who enjoy beginning
coffee shop conversations with "The Death of God”. It's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else, because it's not

happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious, and religion

itself is also evolving…”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “Wow. You're as
long-winded as Fasgnadh, and twice as incoherent.”

Fred Hall (fkh...@databasix.com): “You forgot to mention my name, Doof.”

dolf: “Who is Fasgnadh, that I should regard him? How little he knows.”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “Another
semi-coherent loon from Australia.”

dolf: “A Hoodoo Guru?”

John “Feral Forte Agent Dog” Baker (nu...@bizniz.net): “A bit closer to
sane than dolf, though, as difficult as that may be to imagine.”

Australian Skeptics / The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]:
“And you would know about wanking, Dolt.”

dolf: “It's coming for you.

Its quite the load--It will be the death of you.

You are going to drown.

Like death warmed over--spermicidal!”

Waldo Tunnel (waldo...@gmail.com): “Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by
atheists to the degree he has been archiving atheists posts for years
now. (see below) ”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Clearly you can't tell the difference
between fascination and mockery, you poor dimwitted tool”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “He also has a
particular pathology that prevents him from seeing the difference
between atheists being irrational and atheists mocking him.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Well, all the irrational atheists have
different names, some have even smaller penises than the others. But he
was having a breakdown at the time, crying a lot, so go easy on him! …
we all do.”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “Perhaps three to

five years ago we had a person who declared he would pray for an atheist
on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him would be given a date

on which The Prayer would be said.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I don't think anyone in that story
counts as rational. Clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY
rational people among their ranks!”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “What happened to
that guy?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I'm sure someone will remember. After

all if it wasn't for the nutters on the other side you would have no one
to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA”

dolf: “I’ve been wondering about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for
a while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch. Especially now that his

prophets Philip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit,

and being worthless decadent cunts, no longer have any participation in
Australia's ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for the evil that they have brought to life!”

On 7/04/12 1:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

[dolf]

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “Perhaps three to

five years ago we had a person who declared he would pray for an atheist
on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him would be given a date

on which The Prayer would be said.”

Nous: #4
Time: 17:00 hrs
Date: 2012.12.8
Torah: #50 #10 #400 %81 = #55
Dao: Using Guidance, Sourceless
Tetra: #81 - Fostering
I-Ching: H27 - Nourishment

Latin: Adolescentia {King of Heaven} Alt: Aumel {Hum of God} {
1. SERVES TO OBTAIN MERCY & LONGEVITY
2. DYNASTIES (KINGS, PRINCES)
3. STABILITY
4. Chenon
}
Achim {Preparing; revenging; confirming}

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:1,row:7,col:6

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I don't think anyone in that story
counts as rational. Clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY
rational people among their ranks!”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “What happened to
that guy?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I'm sure someone will remember. After

all if it wasn't for the nutters on the other side you would have no one
to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA”

dolf: “I’ve been wondering about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for
a while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch. Especially now that his
prophets Philip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit,
and being worthless decadent cunts, no longer have any participation in
Australia's ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for the evil that they have brought to life!”



On 7/04/12 1:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

[dolf]

% (per...@gmail.com): “It sounds like you're not having a happy day.”

dolf: “Don't you think that if Zimmerman's story was contradicted by the
physical evidence the police would have charged him?”

Old Jinglebollocks (old.jingl...@gmail.com): “Doesn't matter any more.

Can't be bothered even to read what you bums are writing on Usenet.

Fuck ye, the whole damned lot o' ye.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “So, for those of you who enjoy beginning
coffee shop conversations with "The Death of God”. It's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else, because it's not
happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious, and religion
itself is also evolving…”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “Wow. You're as
long-winded as Fasgnadh, and twice as incoherent.”

Fred Hall (fkh...@databasix.com): “You forgot to mention my name, Doof.”

dolf: “Who is Fasgnadh, that I should regard him? How little he knows.”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “Another
semi-coherent loon from Australia.”

dolf: “A Hoodoo Guru?”

John “Feral Forte Agent Dog” Baker (nu...@bizniz.net): “A bit closer to
sane than dolf, though, as difficult as that may be to imagine.”

Australian Skeptics / The Millennium Project [www.ratbags.com/rsoles]:
“And you would know about wanking, Dolt.”

dolf: “It's coming for you.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1694, Super: #9 - Inconstancy of Achievement,
Practicing Placidity; I-Ching: H7 - Army; Tetra: 32 - Legion, Ego: #74 -
Controlling Feelings, Overcome Delusion; I-Ching: H39 - Obstacles;
Tetra: 80 - Labouring]

Its quite the load--It will be the death of you.

@memeBrain [Telos: #3553, Super: #41 - Playing with Reversal, Sameness
in Difference; I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: 60 -
Accumulation, Ego: #70 - Difficulty in Knowing How, Obtuse; I-Ching: H53
- Gradual Progress; Tetra: 14 - Penetration]

You are going to drown.

@memeBrain [Telos: #2253, Super: #6 - Female Superiority, Completion of
Form; I-Ching: H25 - Innocence; Tetra: 66 - Departure, Ego: #66 -
Strategic Reversal, Putting Oneself Behind; I-Ching: H41 - Decrease;
Tetra: 55 - Diminishment]

Like death warmed over--spermicidal!”

@memeBrain [Telos: #1838, Super: #31 - Military Stratagem, Quelling War;
I-Ching: H32 - Endurance; Tetra: 51 - Constancy, Ego: #56 - Abstruse
Mysterious Virtuosity; I-Ching: H55 - Abundance; Tetra: 46 - Enlargement]

Waldo Tunnel (waldo...@gmail.com): “Clearly fasgnadh is fascinated by
atheists to the degree he has been archiving atheists posts for years
now. (see below) ”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Clearly you can't tell the difference
between fascination and mockery, you poor dimwitted tool”

Crow "Arsewipe" Raver (quotht...@nevermore.com): “He also has a
particular pathology that prevents him from seeing the difference
between atheists being irrational and atheists mocking him.”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “Well, all the irrational atheists have
different names, some have even smaller penises than the others. But he
was having a breakdown at the time, crying a lot, so go easy on him! …
we all do.”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “Perhaps three to

five years ago we had a person who declared he would pray for an atheist
on a certain date. Every atheist who pissed on him would be given a date

on which The Prayer would be said.”

Nous: #4
Time: 17:00 hrs
Date: 2012.12.8
Torah: #50 #10 #400 %81 = #55
Dao: Using Guidance, Sourceless
Tetra: #81 - Fostering
I-Ching: H27 - Nourishment

Latin: Adolescentia {King of Heaven} Alt: Aumel {Hum of God} {
1. SERVES TO OBTAIN MERCY & LONGEVITY
2. DYNASTIES (KINGS, PRINCES)
3. STABILITY
4. Chenon
}
Achim {Preparing; revenging; confirming}

- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:1,row:7,col:6

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I don't think anyone in that story
counts as rational. Clearly this is why no atheists have suggested ANY
rational people among their ranks!”

John “Fuck Knuckle” Norris (jnor...@hotmail.com): “What happened to
that guy?”

Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com): “I'm sure someone will remember. After

all if it wasn't for the nutters on the other side you would have no one
to talk to!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA”

dolf: “I’ve been wondering about that atheist skeptic Peter Bowditch for
a while--he ought to be placed on suicide watch. Especially now that his
prophets Philip Adams and Dick Smith have been found to have no merit,
and being worthless decadent cunts, no longer have any participation in
Australia's ANZAC tradition.

They are forever excluded for the evil that they have brought to life!”



On 7/04/12 1:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote: