Re: Darwin's last words: "There is grandeur ... "
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Ken Smith wrote:
>>> No, not Darwin's legendary death-bed conversion to Christianity and
>>> confession the evolution is wrong: this legend is no longer prominent
>>> in even creationist circles.
>>>
>>> A week or so ago I posted, from memory, some words from the last
>>> sentence in teh final edition of Darwin's "On the Origin of Species".
>>> Here is the full sentence for you to read, learn and inwardly digest.
>>>
>>> There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers,
>>> having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or
>>> into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on
>>> according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>>> endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are
>>> being evolved.
>>>
>>
>> Most of the great men of science have shared that sense of grandeur,
>> Einstein certainly did and described it as essential to his idea
>> of the religion necessary to do science;
>>
>> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
>> the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
>> however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
>> is lame, religion without science is blind."
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
>>> Salaam
>>> Ken Smith
>>>
>> > --
>> > Dr Ken Smith - Christian, husband, unpaid mathematician, skeptic, ...
>>
>> Shalom and Salaam, brother.
>>
>> fasgnadh Believer, husband, father, polymath, sceptic,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "To give and not to count the cost; to fight and not to heed the
>>> wounds; to
>>> toil and not to seek for rest; to labour and not ask for any
>>> reward, save
>>> that of knowing that we do Thy will." Ignatius Loyola
>>
>>
>> rare to see a Loyola quote on Usenet.. and that's a beauty! B^D
>>
>> Here is one in an identical Spirit, from one of Australia's
>> most distinguished Generals, Industrial Managers, Huniversity
>> Chancellors and admired Sons of Abraham;
>>
>>
>> 'Adopt as your fundamental creed that you will equip
>> yourself for life, not solely for your own benefit,
>> but for the benefit of the whole community'
>>
>> - Sir John Monash, 1923
>>
>
> I feel no need to continue.
Exactly what Abu' Baker Bash'ir said when HE abandoned the field,
as all weak minded atheists do!
# From: John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
# Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
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#
# Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
# I've been giving it quite a
# lot of thought lately, and I've
# decided it's time for me to move on.
#
# I've finally reached the end of my rope.
#
# I've simply had all I can stand
@
# I just can't handle it anymore.
#
# I don't see myself continuing
#
# I'm going to end up going postal.
Perhaps you could borrow his rusty razor blade and don't forget.
ALONG the wrist, not across it, unless you are just another attention
seeking atheist whore! B^D
>>
>> Among the best of men and the greatest of scientists, there is
>> no conflict of faith and reason;
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> The Harmony of Science and Religion"
>>
>> "Science without religion is lame,
>> religion without science is blind."
>>
>> - Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion:
>> a Symposium", 1941
>> ^^^^^
>>
>> Science being LED, as usual, by the divinely inspired; ;-)
>>
>> `Abdu'l-Bah�, in 1912, stated that religion without science
>> is mere superstition and that science without religion is
>> crude materialism;
>>
>> "Religion and science are the two wings upon which a man's intelligence
>> can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It s
>> not possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with
>> the wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
>> superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
>> he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
>> materialism."
>> 'Abdu'l-Bah�, Paris Talks 1912
>> ^^^^
>> (London: Bah�'� Publishing Trust, 1969), pp. 141-46.
>>
>> "Bah�'u'll�h has declared that religion must be in
>> accord with science and reason. If it does not
>> correspond with scientific principles and the
>> processes of reason, it is superstition.
>> For God has endowed us with faculties by which
>> we may comprehend the realities of things, contemplate
>> reality itself. If religion is opposed to reason and
>> science, faith is impossible; and when faith and
>> confidence in the divine religion are not manifest
>> in the heart, there can be no spiritual attainment.
>> - Abdul Baha
>>
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
>> with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
>> and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
>> them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
>> matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
>> necessary demonstrations.
>>
>> - Galileo Galilei 1615.
>>
>>
>> The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
>> are aware of it
>>
>> - Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
>>
>> The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
>> in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
>>
>> - Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
>>
>> I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
>>
>> - Louis Pasteur 1822-95
>>
>> As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
>> by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
>>
>> - Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
>>
>> The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
>> deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
>> an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
>> a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
>> which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
>>
>> - Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
>> "My view of the World" 1918
>>
>> There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
>> Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
>> religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
>> all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
>> and harmony.
>>
>> - Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
>> "Where is Science Going" 1918
>>
>> "Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
>> -Sir Arthur Eddington
>>
>> Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
>> soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
>> possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
>> wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
>> superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
>> he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
>> materialism.
>>
>> - 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911
>>
>> Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
>> the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
>> well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
>> worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
>> facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
>> beyond question." (2)
>>
>> George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
>> the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
>> complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
>> the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
>> status of the word." (3)
>>
>> Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
>> quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
>> some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
>> explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
>> instead of nothing." (6)
>>
>> John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
>> a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
>> Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
>> never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
>> indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)
>>
>> George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
>> thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
>> Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
>> intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
>> of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
>> crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)
>>
>> Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
>> Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
>> state of scientific theory." (9)
>>
>> Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
>> event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
>> delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
>> permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
>> 'supernatural') plan." (10)
>>
>> Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
>> has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)
>>
>> Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
>> of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
>> tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
>> sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)
>>
>> Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
>> our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
>> divine." (13)
>>
>> Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
>> lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
>> dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
>> conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
>> is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
>> centuries." (14)
>>
>> Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall� be able to
>> take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
>> the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
>> ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
>> God." (15)
>>
>> Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
>> career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
>> atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
>> writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
>> Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
>> straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
>> them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
>> logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
>> has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
>> Physics Of Christianity.
>>
>> Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
>> described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
>> it."(17)
>>
>> Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
>> existence of God � the design argument of Paley � updated and
>> refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
>> evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
>> requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
>> Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
>> teleological or design argument." (18)
>>
>> Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
>> in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
>> our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)
>>
>> Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
>> question but that a God will always be needed." (20)
>>
>> Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
>> however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
>> conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)
>>
>> Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
>> Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
>> marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
>> The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
>> in the universe and in my own life." (22)
>>
>> Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
>> director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
>> University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
>> in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
>> myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
>> corner of God's plan." (23)
>>
>>
>>
>> Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
>> understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
>> superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
>> comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)
>>
>> Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
>> Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
>> can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
>> billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
>> and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
>> contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
>> the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
>> of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
>> that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
>> extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
>> entirely unique." (25)
>>
>>
>> "The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
>> little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
>> ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
>> someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
>> does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
>> child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
>> mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
>> suspects." - Albert Einstein
>>
>> "The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
>> precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
>> generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
>> Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
>> I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28
>>
>> "The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
>> knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
>> and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
>> even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
>> chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
>> unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
>> you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
>> (noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
>> University)
>>
>>
>> Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
>> ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
>>
>> Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
>> on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
>>
>> Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world
>> view.
>>
>> William Turner the "father of English botany"
>>
>> John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
>> Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
>>
>> Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic
solids
>> was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
>> scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
>> based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
>> astronomical observations,
>>
>> Galileo Galilei
>>
>> Ren� Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
>> the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
>> used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
>> work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
>> partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
>> with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
>>
>> Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
>> (math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).
>>
>> Nicolas Steno a pioneer in both anatomy and geology
>>
>> Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
>> science could improve glorification of God.
>>
>> John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
>> introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
>> develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.
>>
>>
>> Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
>> machine
>>
>> Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
>> mathematicians in history.
>>
>> Thomas Bayes Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society
>>
>> Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.
>>
>> Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.
>>
>> Leonhard Euler mathematician and physicist,
>>
>> Maria Gaetana Agnesi mathematician
>>
>> Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
>> Michael Faraday
>>
>> Charles Babbage
>>
>> Gregor Mendel "father of modern genetics"
>>
>> Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.
>>
>> Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
>> and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
>> chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
>> development of the first vaccines.
>>
>>
>> Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal
Medal,
>>
>> Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials
>>
>> Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry
>>
>> John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
>> Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.
>>
>> Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
>>
>> Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
>> model and had a Moon crater named for him. Gold Medal of the Royal
>> Astronomical Society,
>>
>> Arthur Compton Nobel Prize in Physics.
>>
>> Georges Lema�tre proposed the Big Bang theory. Roman Catholic priest
>>
>> Sir Robert Boyd pioneer in British space science
>>
>> von Weizs�cker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizs�cker formula.
>>
>> Charles Hard Townes 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics 1966 wrote The
>> Convergence of Science and Religion.
>>
>> Freeman Dyson the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
>> Thomas Prize.
>>
>> John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
>> Change gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.
>>
>> Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
>> Noncommutative geometry.
>>
>> Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize
>>
>> Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research
>> Institute.
>>
>> John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic
principle.
>>
>> Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
>> Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.
>>
>> Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.
>>
>> Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
>> evolutionary dynamics.
>>
>>
>> And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
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,fasgnadh,
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Ken Smith wrote:
>>> No, not Darwin's legendary death-bed conversion to Christianity and
>>> confession the evolution is wrong: this legend is no longer prominent
>>> in even creationist circles.
>>>
>>> A week or so ago I posted, from memory, some words from the last
>>> sentence in teh final edition of Darwin's "On the Origin of Species".
>>> Here is the full sentence for you to read, learn and inwardly digest.
>>>
>>> There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers,
>>> having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or
>>> into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on
>>> according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning
>>> endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are
>>> being evolved.
>>>
Note how Bukakke cannot cope with any of the IDEAS in the thread,
she is apoplectic with rage and looking for something, anything,
no matter HOW PETTY, to get back at the humiliating defeats
I have inflicted on her.. and what she does is OBSESSIONAl LUNACY.
She SNIPS my quote attribution and pretends I am quoting from ANOTHER
WORK! B^D it's HILARIOUS! Read on...
[she will snip all this as well, all WEAK intellects do! B^]
>>
>> Most of the great men of science have shared that sense of grandeur,
>> Einstein certainly did and described it as essential to his idea
>> of the religion necessary to do science;
>>
>> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
>> the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
>> however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
>> is lame, religion without science is blind."
Lets replace the bit Bukakke the mad atheist supporter of executing
children, snipped to hide her deceit:
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
> Clueless as ever,
We never expect you to be anything else, Bukakke, you mad murderous
bitch! B^]
> The date was 1941, dick head, not 1954.
Nope, "IDEAS AND OPINIONS", from which I quoted the passage, was
copyright NINETEEN FIFTY FOUR.
http://www.powells.com/biblio?show=HARDCOVER:USED:9780517003930:5.95#product_details
You are confusing the work I QUOTED THE PASSAGE FROM, with
"Science and Religion", 1941, you poor confused dimwit! B^D
http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/library/ae_scire.htm
It's not uncommon for work originally written in one work to
be quoted by the Author in a later compendium of ideas...
But you KNEW THAT, you devious fraud, because you DELIBERATELY
SNIPPED my attribution, showing that I correctly identified
MY SOURCE! B^D
I never claimed it was the ORIGINAL source, because there is no need to,
it appears in BOTH works!
All that work you went to, all that 'half-clever' fabrication
of your 'cas'e.. when in fact you ARE one B^D
Gotcha! B^D
Now everyone can see how obsessed with revenge the mad, murderous
atheist bitch is and watch her screech like a banshee over her own
deliberate and fabricated LIES ..she SNIPPED the attribution showing
that I quoted from Ideas and Opinions [1954]
so she could whine about the year it ORIGINALLY appeared! B^D
I never said "ORIGINALLY WRITTEN" in 1954! B^D
How PATHETIC, is she.. I must REALLY have humiliated her last time,
and now she is completely EVISCERATED!!!! BWAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA!
I'll have to get out Adobe Photoshop to show my Bukakke trophy
covered in FRESH BLOOD! B^D
Bukakke: http://www.humanisthall.net/Trophy3.jpg
Can you imagine HOW OBSESSED the stupid brain-dead moron must be to
try and FABRICATE such a trivial point of attack, B^)
and then get it WRONG!! B^D
> In short
Bukakke is a sad, twisted atheist obsessive who has tried
to FABRICATE an error in the DATE of a citation {snicker}
and even that TRIVIAL deceit.. SHE MANAGED To FUCk UP COMPLETELY!
B^D
Priceless!
Bukakke has shown herself to be a desperate, clueless ,
deeply disturbed individual,
> a knee-jerk moron and a LIAR. As always.
>
> Asinine
> Budikka
You sure are! B^]
>>> Salaam
>>> Ken Smith
>>>
>> > --
>> > Dr Ken Smith - Christian, husband, unpaid mathematician, skeptic, ...
>>
>> Shalom and Salaam, brother.
>>
>> fasgnadh Believer, husband, father, polymath, sceptic,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "To give and not to count the cost; to fight and not to heed the
>>> wounds; to
>>> toil and not to seek for rest; to labour and not ask for any
>>> reward, save
>>> that of knowing that we do Thy will." Ignatius Loyola
>>
>>
>> rare to see a Loyola quote on Usenet.. and that's a beauty! B^D
>>
>> Here is one in an identical Spirit, from one of Australia's
>> most distinguished Generals, Industrial Managers, Huniversity
>> Chancellors and admired Sons of Abraham;
>>
>>
>> 'Adopt as your fundamental creed that you will equip
>> yourself for life, not solely for your own benefit,
>> but for the benefit of the whole community'
>>
>> - Sir John Monash, 1923
>>
>>
....
>>
>> And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
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>> I feel no need to continue.
>
> Exactly what Abu' Baker Bash'ir said when HE abandoned the field,
> as all weak minded atheists do!
Ah yes, the atheist ability to ignor liars - unlike theists who base their
whole life on believing them!
Slatts
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Most of the great men of science have shared that sense of grandeur,
> Einstein certainly did and described it as essential to his idea
> of the religion necessary to do science;
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
Some atheists:
Douglas Adams, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Woody Allen, Lance Armstrong, Darren
Aronofsky, Isaac Asimov, Dave Barry, Ingmar Bergman, Lewis Black,
Richard Branson, Berkeley Breathed, Warren Buffett, George Carlin, John
Carmack, Adam Carolla, John Carpenter, Asia Carrera, Fidel Castro, Dick
Cavett, Noam Chomsky, Billy Connolly, Francis Crick, David Cronenberg,
David Cross, Alan Cumming, Rodney Dangerfield, Richard Dawkins, Daniel
Dennett, David Deutsch, Ani DiFranco, Micky Dolenz, Harlan Ellison,
Brian Eno, Richard Feynman, Harvey Fierstein, Larry Flynt, Dave Foley,
Jodie Foster, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Gates, Bob Geldof, Ricky Gervais,
Ira Glass, James Gleick, Robert Heinlein, Nat Hentoff, Katharine
Hepburn, Christopher Hitchens, Jamie Hyneman, Eddie Izzard, Penn
Jillette, Billy Joel, Angelina Jolie, Wendy Kaminer, Diane Keaton, Ken
Keeler, Neil Kinnock, Michael Kinsley, Richard Leakey, Bruce Lee, Tom
Lehrer, Tom Leykis, James Lipton, H.P. Lovecraft, John Malkovich, Barry
Manilow, Todd McFarlane, Sir Ian McKellen, Arthur Miller, Frank Miller,
Marvin Minsky, Julianne Moore, Desmond Morris, Randy Newman, Mike
Nichols, Jack Nicholson, Gary Numan, Bob Odenkirk, Patton Oswalt,
Camille Paglia, Steven Pinker, Paula Poundstone, Terry Pratchett, James
Randi, Ron Reagan Jr., Keanu Reeves, Rick Reynolds, Gene Roddenberry,
Joe Rogan, Henry Rollins, Andy Rooney, Salman Rushdie, Bob Simon, Steven
Soderbergh, Annika Sorenstam, George Soros, Richard Stallman, Bruce
Sterling, Howard Stern, J. Michael Straczynski, Julia Sweeney, Matthew
Sweet, Teller, Studs Terkel, Tom Tomorrow, Linus Torvalds, Eddie Vedder,
Paul Verhoeven, Gore Vidal, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Sarah Vowell, James
Watson, Steven Weinberg, Joss Whedon, Ted Williams, Steve Wozniak,
HUNDREDS MORE... at http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/AlanSueFritzTony/
--
Virgil
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Christopher A. Lee Bukakke's bitch, wrote:
>
> > A lot of leading edge scientists use "God" as a combination in-joke
> > and shorthand for "whatever the rules/cause/etc is".
>
> Really? demonstrate and discredit these scientists sincere views by
> showing which are just joking about their religious beliefs;
When fasgnadh has demonstrated that there really are any personal gods
to believe in, only then need anyone care about poking fun at such
beliefs.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of
what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and
actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)
--
Virgil
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Christopher A. Lee Bukakke's bitch, wrote:
>>
>>> A lot of leading edge scientists use "God" as a combination in-joke
>>> and shorthand for "whatever the rules/cause/etc is".
>>
>> Really? demonstrate and discredit these scientists sincere views by
>> showing which are just joking about their religious beliefs;
>>
>> [Make it easy on yourself, start with the Big bang theorist
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
>>
>> and the other MAJOR scientists and work through to the lesser lights...]
>>
>>
>
> When
Who was talking to you, you moronic FORGER and liar?
I was speaking to the Organ Grinder, not his monkey!
No one gives a fuck about your opinions because you present
them attached to OTHER PEOPLES NAMES, you pathetic atheist
forger! B^p
> fasgnadh has demonstrated that there really are any personal gods
> to believe in,
Of course there are, Look at all the people who worship
the late Michael Jackson.. but that's irrelevant to the Question;
Lee claimed 'A Lot of Scientists use God as a combination
in-joke" and I called him JUST ANOTHER ATHEIST LIAR, if he couldn't
provide any evidence for his opinion..
He couldn't, neither could you.. cadit quaetio!
And all of these scientists, just the most significant ones
in the history of Science, clearly prove that Lee and you are just
two more fuckwit atheist LIARS, completely clueless and without a fact;
>>
>> I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
>> with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
>> and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
>> them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
>> matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
>> necessary demonstrations.
>>
>> - Galileo Galilei 1615.
>>
>>
>> The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
>> are aware of it
>>
>> - Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
>>
>> The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
>> in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
>>
>> - Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
>>
>> I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
>>
>> - Louis Pasteur 1822-95
>>
>> As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
>> by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
>>
>> - Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
>>
>> The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
>> deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
>> an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
>> a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
>> which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
>>
>> - Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
>> "My view of the World" 1918
>>
>> There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
>> Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
>> religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
>> all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
>> and harmony.
>>
>> - Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
>> "Where is Science Going" 1918
>>
>> "Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
>> -Sir Arthur Eddington
>>
>> Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
>> soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
>> possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
>> wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
>> superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
>> he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
>> materialism.
>>
>> And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
>>
>>
>> "..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
>> the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
>> however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
>> is lame, religion without science is blind."
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
>>
>>
fasgnadh
>>
>> Exactly what Abu' Baker Bash'ir said when HE abandoned the field,
>> as all weak minded atheists do!
>>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Another One Bites The Dust
>> # Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:33 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <hf1aj495t47br8nnh...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # Just wanted to say farewell to everyone.
>> # I've been giving it quite a
>> # lot of thought lately, and I've
>> # decided it's time for me to move on.
>> #
>> # I've finally reached the end of my rope.
>> #
>> # I've simply had all I can stand
>> @
>> # I just can't handle it anymore.
>> #
>> # I don't see myself continuing
>> #
>> # I'm going to end up going postal.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you could borrow his rusty razor blade and don't forget.
>> ALONG the wrist, not across it, unless you are just another attention
>> seeking atheist whore! B^D
>>
>
> Ah yes, the atheist ability to ignor liars
You haven't shown that I lied, I have shown that they ran way.
Q.E.D.
> - unlike theists
That's because I am not a gutless cowardly post forging hypocrite and
liar, like most of the moral defectives in alt.atheism.. and I have
provided the proof! B^]
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> You haven't shown that I lied
Anyone perusing your hate filled diatribes and personal attacks will
necessarily come to that conclusion on their own.
--
Virgil
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
>
> > fasgnadh wrote:
> >> Christopher A. Lee Bukakke's bitch, wrote:
> >>
> >>> A lot of leading edge scientists use "God" as a combination in-joke
> >>> and shorthand for "whatever the rules/cause/etc is".
> >>
> >> Really? demonstrate and discredit these scientists sincere views by
> >> showing which are just joking about their religious beliefs;
> >>
> >> [Make it easy on yourself, start with the Big bang theorist
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
> >>
> >> and the other MAJOR scientists and work through to the lesser lights...]
> >>
> >>
> >
> > When
>
> Who was talking to you, you moronic FORGER and liar?
When fasgnadh posts in atheist NGs he are talking to everyone who reads
them.
And fasgnadh, as usual, substitutes personal abuse for reasoned argument.
>
> I was speaking to the Organ Grinder, not his monkey!
And fasgnadh, as usual, substitutes personal abuse for reasoned argument.
>
>
> No one gives a fuck about your opinions
[Most of fasgnadh's vulgarity snipped]
Fasgnadh seems to care, as he spends a great deal of time and energy
abusing me.
>
> > fasgnadh has not demonstrated that there really are any personal gods
> > to believe in,
>
> Of course there are, Look at all the people who worship
> the late Michael Jackson.
If fasgnadh's gods are on a par with Michael Jackson, no wonder his is
in such a bad skin.
>
> Lee claimed 'A Lot of Scientists use God as a combination
> in-joke" and I called him JUST ANOTHER ATHEIST LIAR, if he couldn't
> provide any evidence for his opinion..
>
> He couldn't, neither could you.
>
> And all of these scientists, just the most significant ones
> in the history of Science, clearly prove that Lee and you are just
> two more fuckwit atheist LIARS, completely clueless and without a fact;
How about Albert Einstein who says he does not believe in any personal
gods:
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of
what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and
actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)
Does fasgnadh now claim that Einstein lies about his faith?
Why not, as fasgnadh badmouths everyone else who does not kowtow to his
abuse.
>
--
Virgil
zencycle
> zencyclopshttp://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n122/Mike_in_Oregon/Trophy%20Pics/...
Oh my poor poor deluded little tool.
How quickly you seem to forget your running away from my complete and
utter destruction of your hate-filled atheist delusions
Have you provided evidence of your your claims of the north koreans
kidnapping Laura Ling and Euna Lee after I provided press release from
their families apologizing for their incursion? no. you ran away.
Have you provided contradictory evidence when I proved you wrong when
you claimed muslims no longer practice stoning by provided recent
press releases? no. you ran away.
Have did you to my challenge to produce your alleged criticism of iran
over the jailing of Roxana Saberi? You ran away.
You are the invective, hate-filled little god puppet. You talk about
how this god of love you pretend to be such a follower of is real and
true, yet never in any of your posts have you demonstrated that you
are imbued with any of this love from this silly god of yours. If this
god of yours does exist, and is one of mercy and love as you claim, it
would be sorely dissapointed in your behaviour.
You have offered no criticsim of any religioufascist oppresions
throughout history, instead babbling on about 'murderous atheist
regimes'.
Watch now, as faggsie, instead of meeting the challenges above,
instead runs away and changes the subject, with such lucid dialog as
'OMG, OTG!" and "BWAAHAHA" and other such infantile drivel.
Run away again, little faggsie, run away.
(oh, and the reason I may disappear for a few days is because I have a
rich full life with a loving family, and am not the rejected lonely
pathetic tool you are whose only goal for existing is posting pabulum
in usenet forums)
bob young
Virgil wrote:
The man is mentally sick. Ignore him
>
>
> --
> Virgil