Science, Math, and all other human study is subject and objective.
who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ?
No body on the planet earth!
An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math may be so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete and in-effective.
Every so often over the last thousands of years, baby human evolution among the geological time scale, scientific theory is prooved false. what causes these radical shifts in human belief? The origin has somehow been shifted to create a dynamical alteration introducing new platforms with different perceptions.
Human theory only works if one follows the perspective close enough to link the relitive platforms in time. Perspectives become currupted the further one strays from the origin. Just as in between two numbers 1 and 2, where exactly does the assymptote divide the two numbers? Therefore we modualize perceptions.
On 16 Apr 2002 01:37:16 -0700, neo_liberal...@hotmail.com (David) was seen to type in talk.atheism:
>Science, Math, and all other human study is subject and objective.
>who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ?
>No body on the planet earth!
But 2+2=11.
>An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that >surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math may >be so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete and >in-effective.
Doubt it very much. What it might be is more accurate but I doubt that we would have to throw every theory out as being wrong.
>Every so often over the last thousands of years, baby human evolution >among the geological time scale, scientific theory is prooved false.
Good. This means that science is working.
>what causes these radical shifts in human belief?
Evidence that shows the extant theory to be implausible usually.
>he origin has >somehow been shifted to create a dynamical alteration introducing new >platforms with different perceptions.
Not sure what you mean there. Could you clarify please?
>Human theory only works if one follows the perspective close enough to >link the relitive platforms in time. Perspectives become currupted the >further one strays from the origin. Just as in between two numbers 1 >and 2, where exactly does the assymptote divide the two numbers? >Therefore we modualize perceptions.
You see, you aren't taking into consideration the effects of inertia and gravity on the process of addition. While the effect is almost to small to measure, it exists and therefore 2+2 can never equal 4. We just round off the numbers for the sake of efficiency in the system.
You see, you aren't taking into consideration the effects of inertia and gravity on the process of addition. While the effect is almost to small to measure, it exists and therefore 2+2 can never equal 4. We just round off the numbers for the sake of efficiency in the system.
> An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that > surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math may > be so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete and > in-effective.
Uh huh. We have been using mathematics for thousands of years. It has taken mankind to the moon and back. It has sent space probes beyond our solar system. It allows us to go inside the atomic nucleus, and approach the origin of the universe. Pretty impressive for something that is obsolete and ineffective.
> Every so often over the last thousands of years, baby human evolution > among the geological time scale, scientific theory is prooved false. > what causes these radical shifts in human belief? The origin has > somehow been shifted to create a dynamical alteration introducing new > platforms with different perceptions.
What causes you to think that human knowledge should be static?
> Human theory only works if one follows the perspective close enough to > link the relitive platforms in time. Perspectives become currupted the > further one strays from the origin. Just as in between two numbers 1 > and 2, where exactly does the assymptote divide the two numbers? > Therefore we modualize perceptions.
Yawn. Another one of those whines about the uncertainty of human knowledge, and the pointlessness of science.
Josef
A mystic is someone who wants to understand the universe, but is too lazy to study physics.
>You see, you aren't taking into consideration the effects of inertia >and gravity on the process of addition. While the effect is almost to >small to measure, it exists and therefore 2+2 can never equal 4. We >just round off the numbers for the sake of efficiency in the system.
Sorry. I always forget to take into account Flipsteins general theory of relative addition. Roughly stated it means as we get nearer to infinity all sums converge on zero. ie. infinity + n = 0 where n is any number from 0 to infinity. It mathematically confirms that nothing exists.
<pd015c1974@SPAMNOT_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:02:19 GMT, NOSPAMred...@hotmail.com (Von >Bailey) was seen to type in talk.atheism:
>>You see, you aren't taking into consideration the effects of inertia >>and gravity on the process of addition. While the effect is almost to >>small to measure, it exists and therefore 2+2 can never equal 4. We >>just round off the numbers for the sake of efficiency in the system.
>Sorry. I always forget to take into account Flipsteins general theory >of relative addition. Roughly stated it means as we get nearer to >infinity all sums converge on zero. ie. infinity + n = 0 where n is >any number from 0 to infinity. It mathematically confirms that nothing >exists.
In talk.atheism David <neo_liberal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Science, Math, and all other human study is subject and objective. > who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ? > No body on the planet earth!
of course not...not when we all know that 2+2=5...the Kurumba's prove that easily enough with their method of counting using knots tied into ropes...if you have two ropes with two knots each and put them together you have 5 knots...ergo 2+2=5...
also 2.4+2.4=4.8 ... we then round to the nearest integer and again see that 2+2=5...:)
-- Mike
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>Subject: Re: Science, Math, and all other human study's >From: galaxicon2...@yahoo.com (galaxicon2000) >Date: 4/17/02 3:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <81a3ecd3.0204171115.3b875...@posting.google.com>
>NOSPAMred...@hotmail.com (Von Bailey) wrote in message ><news:3cbc3c87.37482200@netnews.attbi.com>... >> On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:00:01 +0100, PMD >> <pd015c1974@SPAMNOT_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On 16 Apr 2002 01:37:16 -0700, neo_liberal...@hotmail.com (David) was >> >seen to type in talk.atheism:
>> >>Science, Math, and all other human study is subject and objective.
>Subject: Re: Science, Math, and all other human study's >From: prabb...@shamrocksgf.com >Date: 4/17/02 1:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <vVhv8.97724$VM5.60577...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>
>In talk.atheism David <neo_liberal...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Science, Math, and all other human study is subject and objective.
>> who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ?
>> No body on the planet earth!
>of course not...not when we all know that 2+2=5...the Kurumba's prove that >easily enough with their method of counting using knots tied into ropes...if >you have two ropes with two knots each and put them together you have 5 >knots...ergo 2+2=5...
>also 2.4+2.4=4.8 ... we then round to the nearest integer and again see that >2+2=5...:)
If you use the Yanamamo counting system, you don't get higher than 2. It's just "many".
>>Subject: Re: Science, Math, and all other human study's >>From: galaxicon2...@yahoo.com (galaxicon2000) >>Date: 4/17/02 3:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time >>Message-id: <81a3ecd3.0204171115.3b875...@posting.google.com>
>>NOSPAMred...@hotmail.com (Von Bailey) wrote in message >><news:3cbc3c87.37482200@netnews.attbi.com>... >>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:00:01 +0100, PMD >>> <pd015c1974@SPAMNOT_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >On 16 Apr 2002 01:37:16 -0700, neo_liberal...@hotmail.com (David) was >>> >seen to type in talk.atheism:
>>> >>Science, Math, and all other human study is subject and objective.
>Science, Math, and all other human study is subject and objective.
>who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ?
It is quite trivial do show this for example in Peano Arithmetic (using the usual notational conventions).
>No body on the planet earth!
Bodies don't argue much indeed.
>An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that >surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math may >be so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete and >in-effective.
The alien could well be able to teach us some truly neat tricks (it might be able to give an elementary proof of Fermat's last theorem which is less than a thousand pages of print or it might have a method of factoring large integers in polynomial time on standard computers or...). But all of this wouldn't make our mathematics "obsolete". (There is a remote chance that it might be able to prove that the set theory that underlies our mathematics is inconsistent --- but even that would probably not do more than motivate mathematicians to build a new founding theory of mathematics which would keep most of what results we have now).
>Every so often over the last thousands of years, baby human evolution >among the geological time scale, scientific theory is prooved false.
Most of the time scientific theories are extended, not "disproved" in the usual sense of the word. As far as mathematics is concerned, I'd like to see a theorem which was once accepted as proven by the mathematical community and to which later on counterexamples were found.
>As far as mathematics is concerned, I'd like to see a theorem which was once >accepted as proven by the mathematical community and to which later on >counterexamples were found.
Does this include situations where flaws have been found in published proofs?
What about the original "proof" of the 4-colour theorem, published in the 1870's (I believe) which was discredited about a decade later?
Of course, the 4CT was eventually proved correct by Appel and Haaken (sp?) so I guess it doesn't fit your request.
A professor of mine at Queen's University, in Canada, once found a flaw in a published proof, although again, he did not disprove the theorem, just tossed it back into the "TBD" column. :-)
-- Earth Wolf
"Old statisticians never die; they just get broken down by age and sex."
> >>No, he was working in base 3, so 2+2 does equal 11
> > OK: Actually, it's just 10.22222222222222222222... :-)
> 1 + 1 = 3, for large values of 1.
there you go changing the subject! we were talking about 2+2 :)
> Case in point:
> 1.4 is a large value of 1, since it rounds to 1.
> 1.4 + 1.4 = 2.8
> 2.8 rounds to 3.
> Thus for large values of 1, 1 + 1 = 3.
Not really, since according to convention floating point numbers which are rounded should be written with a decimal point but no following zero, like this:
> Science, Math, and all other human study is subject and objective.
> who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ?
> No body on the planet earth!
> An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that > surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math may be > so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete and > in-effective.
> Every so often over the last thousands of years, baby human evolution > among the geological time scale, scientific theory is prooved false. > what causes these radical shifts in human belief? The origin has somehow > been shifted to create a dynamical alteration introducing new platforms > with different perceptions.
> Human theory only works if one follows the perspective close enough to > link the relitive platforms in time. Perspectives become currupted the > further one strays from the origin. Just as in between two numbers 1 and > 2, where exactly does the assymptote divide the two numbers? Therefore > we modualize perceptions.
> David G.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
You want to know about numbers? Check out Surreal Numbers, by John H. Conway and some other people. These guys started with NOTHING and derived almost all of number theory from it.
"2+2=4" is not an argument. It is a symbolic representation for the manipulation of quantity for the purpose of solving real world problems. Sure, go ahead and make "2+2" equal anything you want, but your new logic is unlikely to solve pressing problems of the day.
> An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that > surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math may > be so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete and > in-effective.
> Every so often over the last thousands of years, baby human evolution > among the geological time scale, scientific theory is prooved false. > what causes these radical shifts in human belief? The origin has > somehow been shifted to create a dynamical alteration introducing new > platforms with different perceptions.
> Human theory only works if one follows the perspective close enough to > link the relitive platforms in time. Perspectives become currupted the > further one strays from the origin. Just as in between two numbers 1 > and 2, where exactly does the assymptote divide the two numbers? > Therefore we modualize perceptions.
> "2+2=4" is not an argument. It is a symbolic representation for the > manipulation of quantity for the purpose of solving real world > problems. Sure, go ahead and make "2+2" equal anything you want, but > your new logic is unlikely to solve pressing problems of the day.
> Geez...you'd think people would learn.
> The Infinite
Well said! Logic, math, science; all tools. Just like the guy who started this thread. Just kidding!
>> who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ? >> No body on the planet earth!
I argue that 2+2=4. Whoa, hey, I'm levitating! HEELLLLLLLLP!!
>> An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that >> surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math >> may be so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete >> and in-effective.
And those aliens could point out to us, correctly, that if we put two apples on a table, and then put another two apples on the table, we won't have four apples!
This whole time, all throughout human history, we never paid enough attention to realize that you actually get five apples!
> >> who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ? > >> No body on the planet earth!
> I argue that 2+2=4. Whoa, hey, I'm levitating! HEELLLLLLLLP!!
> >> An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that > >> surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math > >> may be so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete > >> and in-effective.
> And those aliens could point out to us, correctly, that > if we put two apples on a table, and then put another two > apples on the table, we won't have four apples!
> This whole time, all throughout human history, we never > paid enough attention to realize that you actually get > five apples!
>>> who can argue 2 + 2 = 4 ? >>> No body on the planet earth! > I argue that 2+2=4. Whoa, hey, I'm levitating! HEELLLLLLLLP!! >>> An alien from outer space may arrive with a level of mathematic that >>> surpasses the math we know on earth, the new method of alien math >>> may be so technologicaly advanced it prooves our math to be obsolete >>> and in-effective. > And those aliens could point out to us, correctly, that > if we put two apples on a table, and then put another two > apples on the table, we won't have four apples! > This whole time, all throughout human history, we never > paid enough attention to realize that you actually get > five apples!
actually, you get a whole lot of applesauce :^)
-- Mike
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"GJ" <treinta_de_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:ac3cds$nak$1@news.mty.itesm.mx>... > Well, if I could make five apples out of two and two apples... I'd be rich > selling the extra apple!
This is possible because, today I heard Kurt Vonnegut doing a radio commercial for Applebes Restaurant
