Re: The ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> William Smith wrote:
>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> �No True Scotsman� Fallacy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Explanation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The no true Scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in
>>>>>> order to prevent the refutation of one�s position. Proposed
>>>>>> counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely
>>>>>> because they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are
>>>>>> not what the theory is about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that
>>>>>> would refute a proposition, concluding that it hasn�t been
>>>>>> falsified when in fact it has.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed
>>>>>> as a counter-example to the claim �No Scotsman puts sugar on his
>>>>>> porridge�, the �No true Scotsman� fallacy would run as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) Angus puts sugar on his porridge.
>>>>>> (2) No (true) Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore:
>>>>>> (3) Angus is not a (true) Scotsman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore:
>>>>>> (4) Angus is not a counter-example to the claim that
>>>>>> no Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This fallacy is a form of circular argument, with an existing
>>>>>> belief being assumed to be true in order to dismiss any apparent
>>>>>> counter-examples to it. The existing belief thus becomes
>>>>>> unfalsifiable."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Real-World Examples
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An argument similar to this is often arises when people attempt to
>>>>>> defend the historical reality of atheism. For example
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EVERY atheist regime in history, (i.e. The USSR, Maoist China,
>>>>>> Pol Pots Genocide, North Korea, those states which are led
>>>>>> by atheists, with the entire ruling Central Committee atheist,
>>>>>> implementing explicit atheist policies) has been a totalitarian
>>>>>> tyranny.
>>>>>> They committed the systematic persecution of religion, forcible
>>>>>> indoctrination of children and adults with atheism, expropriation
>>>>>> and destruction of religious property, and the terror, torture
>>>>>> and murder of believers. >70,000,000 died in the atheist holocausts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atheists argue that 'No True Atheist would create tyranny' despite the
>>>>>> clear evidence of atheists Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Suk
>>>>>> and his psychotic offspring Kim ill Fuk doing PRECISELY THAT! B^[
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact they can find NO EXAMPLE of an atheist state, in all of human
>>>>>> history, which was NOT a totalitarian tyranny! 8^o
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes the argument is accompanied by hypocritical attempts at
>>>>>> diversion such as "Those regimes were all 'male'", an easily
>>>>>> falsifiable
>>>>>> lie, (Madame Mao and other female members of the Central
>>>>>> Committees) or
>>>>>> but they were 'Communist in name' .. sure.. just like the
>>>>>> "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is a Democracy in name?!???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B^D Priceless! The argument has been conclusively resolved by
>>>>>> those atheist tyrants themselves, e.g.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>>>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>>>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By arbitrarily selecting ANY OTHER ATTRIBUTE, (gender, moustaches,
>>>>>> brand name chosen), the claim that 'no true atheist' regime would
>>>>>> be a tyranny is thus preserved from refutation. Given such an
>>>>>> approach, this claim is unfalsifiable, there is no possible
>>>>>> refutation of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The logical flaw is that not all atheist regimes were 100% male, or
>>>>>> had moustaches and the Chinese Communists now allow religion, have
>>>>>> declared it a social positive, and have prospered and progressed,
>>>>>> unlike EVERY
>>>>>> atheist communist state which has been a catastrophic failure!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lets clarify that point for the dull witted atheists: Not all
>>>>>> COMMUNIST
>>>>>> governments have been catastrophic failures, (China reformed its
>>>>>> constitution, permitting religions to function, and has progressed
>>>>>> phenomenally) ..but all ATHEIST ones have been!!! B^]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The common feature is that those tyrannies were ALL ATHEIST
>>>>>> REGIMES, and in fact were the ONLY atheist regimes in history.
>>>>>> 100% of atheist regimes, without exception, have been murderous
>>>>>> tyrannies!
>>>>>
>>>>> Not true.
A lie.
So I prove that the ATHEIST regimes, LED by atheists,
with every member of the Central committee an atheist,
declaring they are IMPLEMENTING ATHEIST POLICIES of
attacking religion and the forced indoctrination of the
populace in atheist dogma:
>>>> Over 70,000,000 people killed in the atheist holocausts in the USSR,
>>>> Maoist China and Pol Pot's genocide, and we still have atheist holocaust
>>>> deniers pretending that it didn't happen! 8^o
>>>
Virgil interrupts the irrefutable historical proof to ADMIT that
the massive torture, terror and mass murder in the atheist regimes
TOOK PLACE.. but the REASON the atheists did it was .. 'something
else'.. PMT, Paranoia, itchy Haemmaroids.... WHO GIVES A FUCK!
EVERY atheist state did it.. it's a fucking LAY DOWN Royal Flush!!! B^D
If atheists want to debate the MOTIVES for their SLAUGHTER..
let them do so with their SHRINKS!
I have shown what the historical TRUTH is!
Atheist regimes, EVERY ONE OF WHICH HAS BEEN A TOTALITARIAN
SHITHOLE, killed over 70,000,000 people!!!
No atheist state has ever existed that was NOT a totalitarian
tyranny!!!!
GET THE FUCKING MESSAGE YET, YOU BAREFACED LYING SHITPIG
APOLOGISTS AND ATHEIST HOLOCAUST DENIERS!!!!!
Your seemingly irrelevant and an ineffective branch of
Nihilism if allowed to flourish outside the moral restraint
of the predominately RELIGIOUS societies in which you all
now choose to live.. is a MALEVOLENT MORAL VACUUM, in which
savage and unrestrained brutality breeds.
THERE IS NO ARGUMENT WITH HISTORICAL REALITY!!! B^]
Suck it UP! B^D
But, unable to dispute the FACTS, all the atheists can do is
play sly games of sophistry and evasion... in this case Virgil
attempts an old standard: try to move the argument from FACTS and
EVIDENCE.. where they don't stand a fucking chance.. to OPINION
and SPECULATION, about the atheist's 'motives'!? B^p
After all, you can argue beliefs about opinions FOREVER..
which is what atheists prefer to do, when REALITY demolishes
their lies:
>>> the primary reason that Lenin, Stalin Mao and Pol Pot acted as
>>> they did was to suppress opposition, whether real or imagined.
>>
>> And that's the atheist excuse for slaughtering over 70,000,000 people?
>>
>> They deserved it because atheist nutjobs and psychopaths 'thought'
>> they were 'enemies'.
Clearly my evisceration of Virgil's illogical idiocy was devastating,
because the next atheist in this tag-team of tossers blithely skates
to a NEW irrelevant attempt to shift ground.. they have to , because
they have LOST THE FIELD;
> There is no need to be an atheist to kill people without thought
No one claimed you do, you poor dimwitted stooge.
You are constructing a strawman. I will put a match to it in
a moment, and leave you covered in the ashes of bitter humiliation..
but first, let us look at what you have CONCEEDED.
All atheist regimes have been totalitarian tyrannies
(not all totalitarian tyrannies have been atheist ;-)
There has never been an atheist state that was NOT a
totalitarian tyranny.. no atheist democracy, no tolerant
athesit pluralist, open and free society.... none.. nada
not one in the ENTIRE sweep of human history!
100% of attempts by atheists to construct societies FREE
of God.. have been CATASTRPOHIC CLUSTER-FUCKS of terror,
torture, misery, despair and death...
Even atheists CHOOSE to LIVE in majority religious societies,
because they are the onlt open free, democratic societies in which
EVERYONE's rights, even despised and ridiculed atheist moral
defectives, are allowed to wallow in their shit, so long
as they do no harm to anyone (ie continue in pointless wanking
in coffee shops and Usenet! B^)
Now this poor fool thinks he can somehow EXCUSE 70,000,000 victims
of atheist oppression if he can find some non-atheists who have also
killed.
That is known as moral relativism.. it's the 'morality' of immature
infants and psychopaths.. it is basically a plea to ignore THAT crime
'becausue 'tommy did it too'
The point is, religion also produced free open democratic
MAJORITY RELIGIOUS nations.. so the evil attributed to religion per
se, has some other cause.. typically religion being perverted by the
unscrupulous for their own political ends..
But there are no redeeming atheist Utopias.. There are actually
Communist societies (which have abandoned atheism, and prospered..
there are no atheist states that any sane person would choose to live
in.. they are 100% shitholes!
The argument is over.
Militant theism is a despised and rejected dogma, 300,000,000 Chinese
have abandoned it since the Communist party abandoned the rabid atheism
of the Maoist era, and allowed religious freedom! That is 400 times
the atheist increase in the USA!!! (where atheists climbed from a
pathetic 0.4% to a pitiful 0.7% of the American population!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAA
That alone is compelling evidence!
#
# "With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
# Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
# longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
# amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
# of religion."
#
# http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
#
#
# "At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
# Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
# the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
#
# "For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
# to a large extent,"
#
# http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
#
#
#
# "religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
# past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"
#
# http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm
#
#
# "Religious believers thrice the estimate
# By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
#
# "A survey has found that the number of religious believers
# is three times bigger than the official estimate.
#
# The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
# Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
# University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
# of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
#
# http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
#
# Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
# atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
# in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA
#
#
# # Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# # -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# # fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
# #
# # From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# # Newsgroups:
# # alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# # alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# # Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# # Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
# #
# # American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
# #
# # "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
# #
# # 2001 2008
# #
# # Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
# #
# # Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
# #
# # Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
# #
# #
# #
# # BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
# #
> look at the people slaughtered in the name of Jesus,
As you have accepted the facts about atheist slaughter
and must now decide if you will be a decent human being and
repudiate it as an evil doctrine, or persist in openly
defending vile mass murder.. I am happy to move to a new
topic.
Provide **evidence** of the people killed in the name of Jesus
as i have done in numerous posts citing peer-reviewed historical
data, for the Atheist death toll.
First you will note that NO religion in all of history has ever
killed 70,000,000 people. So atheism will always lose this argument.
Then you will not that the crimes 'in the name of Jesus'
are predominately IN THE BARBARIC PAST, when all societies
were brutal, those who followed Jesus less than most..
hence religion is seen to produce great and enduring
civilisations... atheism produces NOTHING but tyrannical
shitholes..
Atheism will still lose the argument..
Moreover.. the followers of Jesus have progressed and
evolved over time.. they have, due to the ever fuller
understanding of Jesus, ceased to burn witches, run
religious pogroms, and in the modern era have produced
the tolerant, open and free democracies, all of them
MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, in which even you atheists
choose to live...
But atheisms crimes against humanity have been committed
in the last 100 years.. while the Christians apologise
for their past pogroms of the Jews because they have reached
a highrer plane.. the atheist's have DEVOLVED through history
and reached their LOWEST PITS OF MURDER AND DEPRAVITY, in
recent, 'modern' times.. and while the Christians have apologised
to the Jews and Muslims, atheists remain unashamed deniers of
the atheist holocausts!!!!!
You lose again..
and finally (Although i could continue with more damning
evidence for some time) a true comparison must be made
per head of people ruled (by atheism or Christianity)
per time period.
'Christianity' has killed 20,000 witches, and a few
hundred thousand in the Crusades.. but it has ruled
for 2000 years.. Billions have benefited from the
great and enduring civilisation which flourished..
but atheism in the USSR killed 40,000,000 in a population
far smaller than that which Christianity ruled over,
in a mere 70 years.
The death toll for atheism /head/year far outstrips that for
Christianity.
Even in terms of YOUR disgusting, immoral, illogical argument,
the despicable moral relativism which pretends that one crime
can be excused or mitigated by pointing to another, you STILL LOSE!
Come back and I will thrash you some more.. I haven't begun
to elaborate all the ways in which History proves religions to
have inspired and sustained great and enduring civilisations..
with some abberrations which are exceptions to the rule,
and atheism has produced not even a decent state, let alone a
great end enduring civilisation!
> how about the ones in
> the name of Allah and of Jehovah has plenty of blood on his hands.
Same story for the Muslims as for the Christians.. the atheist
tyrannies have killed far more people/head ruled/year of operation
than any religion in history.
You are on a hiding to nothing.
And now let us consider the basic fallacy of your
claim 'in the name of... "
If Steve Knight kills a theist and shits down his neck
in the name of atheism, that is an atheist crime.. because
he is a militant atheist doing what atheists do, and not
breaching ANY athist prohibition on murder.. you have none.
But if he kills in the name of Jesus, well that is BULLSHIT,
because he is not a true Christian, he's an atheist liar,
and Jesus FORBIDS murder.
So you can't be a Christian if you break the fundamental
precepts of Christianity..
But an atheist is not breaking any atheist precept if he kills.
Q.E.D.
And yet is is atheists who use the 'No True Scotsman' Fallacy
as one of the many EXCUSES they have for refusing to condemn
atheist crimes.
Modern atheists are not guilty of the atheist holocausts,
(the atheists who committed those crimes are).. but you are
guilty of being atheist holocaust DENIERS, and thus MAKING
YOURSELVES COMPLICIT!!!
And when you lie and slander to protect and defend atheist
crimes agaisnt humanity.. why then you are for a SERIOUS
ARSEKICKING, you filthy maggots:
> You monotheists
I am an agnostic.. just one who knows a damn sight more about
HISTORY, RATIONAL ARGUMENT and FACTS-BASED EVIDENCE than you slandering
shitpigs and ignorant LIARS.
Go away, think about all the ways in which you have been shown to be
wrong and come back and apologise for your lies about me..
or be known as just another dishonest atheist stooge...
>> That's 70,000,000 of their own COUNTRYMEN, you atheist LUNATIC!!! B^[
>
> How many of the Men, woman and children slaughtered for being
> "Witches" were really Christians?
you seriously want to compare 20,000 victims over centuries
in MEDIEVAL times, when everyone was ignorant and illiterate and all
governments brutal.. to 70,000,000 victims of atheist tyrannies
in 70 years IN THE 'MODERN ERA' when majority religious societies
have evolved modern, open, tolerant, free, pluralist democracies?
You are a fucking JOKE! B^D
Run along now, and come back when you have a clue! B^]
>
>> No wonder none of you live in those atheist shitholes.. you all
>> choose to live in MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies which have democracy and
>> freedom and prosperity and all the things that NO ATHEIST REGIME HAS
>> EVER MANAGED To PROVIDE!
>>
>> Everyone else can join the dots.. why are atheists too stupid to do so?
Can't you morons even answer a simple question? Nah,
you just SNIP AND RUN AWAY, like every brain dead atheist THUG;
> remainder snipped as the same bashing as normal.
I just keep kicking atheist arse, and they just
keep RUNNING from the truth by stuffing their heads up it;
http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
As soon as the peer-reviewed historical facts are quoted to
atheists, they snip and RUN AWAY, because they HAVE NO
EVIDENCE for their lies and bullshit:
>>> "Within about a year of the revolution the state expropriated
>>> all church property, including the churches themselves,
>>> and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops
>>> and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number
>>> was subjected to persecution)
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Soviet policy of state atheism (gosateizm), albeit
>>> inconsistently applied, remains a major goal of official ideology.
>>> Massive state resources have been expended not only to
>>> prevent the implementing of religious belief in nonbelievers but
>>> also to eradicate "prerevolutionary remnants" already existing.
>>> The regime is not merely passively committed to a godless polity
>>> but takes an aggressive stance of official forced atheization.
>>> Thus a major task of the police apparatus is the persecution of
>>> forms of religious practice. Not surprisingly the Commmittee for
>>> State Security is reported to have a division dealing specifically
>>> with "churchmen and sectarians"
>>> - David Kowalewski, "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>>> Characteristics and Consequences." 1980. The Russian Review.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
>>> #
>>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>>> # religious freedom and practice."
>>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>>> # David Kowalewski,
>>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>>> #
>>> #
>>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
>>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>>> # instead of the family.
>>> #
>>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
>>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
>>> #
>>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>>>
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> #
>>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>>> # were often killed.
>>> #
>>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>>> #
>>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
>>> #
>>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>>> # because of their religion."
>>> #
>>>
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
>>>
>>> #
>>> #
>>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>>> # - Daniel Peris,
>>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>> #
>>> #
>>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>>> #
>>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>>
>>> Now we see how Atheists maintain their Non-Belief.. they SIMPLY
>>> IGNORE THE FACTS!!!! B^D
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> > Post-Stalinist regime in USSR was authoritarian but not a
>>> > murderous tyranny.
>>>
>>> Bullshit! It is true that the regime was weakening, because ALL
>>> the atheist regimes were catastrophic FAILURES, but people were
>>> still dying in Soviet GULAGS.
>>>
>>> Your argument is like saying Hitlers regime was not a murderous
>>> tyranny becasue in the last two days before it collapsed the ovens
>>> in auschwitz were not running.. becasue the regime was COLLAPSING!
>>>
>>> B^p
>>>
>>> Atheists are the most immoral shitpig apologists for mass murder on
>>> the planet.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Q.E.D. They *are* the historical REALITY of atheism.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only benign atheists are the hypocrites who CHOOSE to live in
>>>>> majority religious societies, and are thus constrained by the
>>>>> prevailing moral values (and their own insignificantly small numbers)
>>>>> from doing any serious harm.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let the abstract, philosophical fantacists and utopian dreamers
>>>>> who believe in an irrational and dogmatic hallucination bleat
>>>>> and wail in their usual hysterical and rabid attacks of ad hom abuse,
>>>>> lies and slander..
>
>
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Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> So I prove that I am an ass.
> Virgil interrupts the irrefutable historical proof to ADMIT that
> Fasgnadh is a futile anti-religious hawker of the worst crimes of
> religion.
>
> If Fasgnadh wants to debate the MOTIVES for his SLAUGHTER..
>
>
> I have shown what my hysterical TRUTH is!
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT # # # # American Religious
> Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009: # # # #
> "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
> # # # # 2001 2008 # # # #
> Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%) # # # #
> Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%) # # # #
> Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%) # # # #
Fasgnadh stupidly ignores the obvious trend evidence in ARIS:
PERCENT INCREASES as derived from the ARIS data shows
# CATEGORY PERCENT INCREASE IN 7 YEARS(2001 to 2008)
# Non- religious 15.90 %
#
# Religious 8.93 %
#
# Agnostic 100.30 %
#
# Atheist 79.71 %