Re: Atheism 3.0 - The Way Forward for atheism
fasgnadh
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:11:30 +0000, Shaun Hollingworth
> <sh...@asxasxaxas.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:53:24 GMT, Morton Lucifer <"95
>> Theses"@atheist-reformation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> "Setting aside the question of whether God exists, it’s clear that the
>>> benefits of faith far outweigh its costs"
>>>
>>> - “An Atheist Defends Religion:
>>> Why Humanity is Better Off With Religion than Without It.”
>>> Bruce Sheiman
>> Why not just let people believe what they want to believe, and in
>> return expect them NOT to try and force or legally impose their
>> beliefs on others ?
>>
> Those people who are affected by religious delusion will always seek
> the company of fellow sufferers. If there are none then they will
> evangelise,threaten and indoctrinate until they exist and thereby feel
> strengthened in their company.
So you don't live in the USA, Europe, Australia, Canada or
any of the other free, open democratic MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies
which have guaranteed freedom of speech, thought and BELIEF, including
your own?
How are things in the Peoples Democratic republic of North Korea, the
LAST remaining atheist state? Feel free there? B^p
It always amazes me that Militant atheists act as if it was still the
middle ages, ....religion has evolved since then, it was the atheist
regimes that were responsible for the greatest terror torture and mass
murder, in the last century.
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fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Eunometic wrote:
>>> On Jan 1, 10:53 am, Morton Lucifer <"95 Theses"@atheist-
>>> reformation.org> wrote:
>>>> "Setting aside the question of whether God exists, it�s clear that the
>>>> benefits of faith far outweigh its costs"
>>>>
>>>> Why Humanity is Better Off With Religion than Without It.�
>>>> Bruce Sheiman
>>>
"In recent years, the skeptical scene has been dominated by the New
Atheists �Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and others �
who argue in best-selling books that religious faith is a mental
illness, or worse.
But now, a new crew of nonbelievers is taking on the New Atheists,
arguing that while they may not have faith themselves, there's little
reason to belittle believers or push religion out of the public square.
The back-and-forth debates over God's existence have shed a little
light, but far more heat, they argue, while the world's problems loom
ever larger.
"The work that we need to do, we atheists, humanists and non-believers,
is to build a better world and not try to tear down those with whom we
disagree," said Greg M. Epstein, the Humanist chaplain at Harvard
University.
"When our goal is erasing religion, rather than embracing human beings,
we all lose."" - USA Today 19/10/2009
And that is why Bukakke, Trance Stupor, Panadol fraud, Raven, Slimer,
Richo their Warlord, Fluffy and their leader, Virgil are ALL LOSERS!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>> Of course
>>
>> You were doing fine up to that point, then you started to babble...
>>
>>> the great contribution of atheisim
The knuckle-dragging atheism 2.0 trogs can't even spell their belief
system! B^D
>> was achieved during the atheist regimes of the 20th century;
>>
>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
>> #
>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>> # religious freedom and practice."
>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>> # David Kowalewski,
>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>> #
>> #
>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
>> #
>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>> # were often killed.
>> #
>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>> #
>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
>> #
>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>> # because of their religion."
>> #
>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
>>
>> #
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>> #
>> #
>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>> #
>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
So much for the 'great achievements' of atheism.. leaving atheist's
in pathetic denial of their REAL HISTORY, and falsely claiming for
atheism advances which OTHERS brought about.. IN THE MAJORITY
RELIGIOUS societies:
> the STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS of the 20th
> century,
Were all created by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies!!!
They were NOT achievements of atheism! B^]
Suck it up!
Look at the most significant figures of Social Reform in the USA:
Martin Luther King - Christian
Malcolm X - Muslim
Every US President has been a believer, including the current one!
No wonder atheists snip ALL the historical evidence and merely
give us their OPINIONS and UNFOUNDED BELIEFS! B^D
The atheist states, the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression(USSR),
Mao's Great Leap Backwards and Cultural Devolution, Pol Pot's Cambodian
genocide.. were ALL totalitarian tyrannies.. massive cluster fucks
which collapsed into decay, disillusion despair and death.
Over 70,000,000 were terrorised tortured and killed in the atheist
regimes.
That is why even the atheists choose to live in the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies, such as the USA, which as Virgil correctly admits are
Secular Governments CREATED BY THE MAJORITY RELIGIOUS.. with atheists
being a tiny, insignificant and irrelevant minority.
Atheists can't even muster enough votes to get elected, let alone pass
the legislation which governs these nations! B^]
All atheists can do is LIE and pretend to themselves that the atheist
regimes didn't exist, and that the majority religious societies
are atheist! B^D Clearly, Atheism 2.0 is a WORLD OF SELF-DELUSION:
# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
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# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
#
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
Atheisats 4% of non-believers 96% of non-believers reject atheism
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/documents/aris030609.pdf
> "Most Americans are convinced that faith in God is the foundation of
> civil society.
And history shows that to be true, as EVERY atheist regime was
a catastrophic failure which suppressed religious freedom, and
thus all freedom of thought and belief, and persecuted dissent.
The 'great'(sic) atheist leaders have been Lenin, Mao, Stalin,
Pol Pot and their intellectual inheritors are violent militant
atheists like them;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
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# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
And that is why the future of atheism lies with Atheism 3.0! B^]