Come fly with me, lets fly, lets fly away!

[Tim]

Frank Sinatra, right? He is the bomb.

Anyway, Tomorrow puts us a week out of the Robots and Dinosaurs inaugural RC fly-in/drive about, and I have a feeling a lot of you aren't going to be involved. Frank would be very disappointed (the singer, not the hacker). So far I think I have counted 6 planes that have been ordered since my last email for the day, at least 3 members are giving it a go for the first time and a few old hats have new toys and old! It will be great fun when we get a few int eh air at the same time!

There's still plenty of time to pick up some kit from the Aussie Hobbyking warehouse if you are keen, or just express interest and you can have a go at flying someone else's pride and joy on the day! Even if you aren't interested in flying, I know Frank (the hacker, not the singer) at least is interested in how the servos and the Tx/Rx stuff works, and how it can be used with micro controllers and other projects, on Saturday morning there should be a few people putting finishing touches on their birds!

I just got back from flying my $5 scratch built plane(that I rebuilt after Mondays tragedy) and it's great! while not as easy as a good foam trainer it flies (relatively) straight and isn't going to upset too many people if you bury it in the ground so if you are too worried about the impending doom of learning to fly this one is for you!! If you prefer the "true hacker spirit" of building your own plane, it's easy and only takes a few hours the first time. You can buy enough components for it from the Australian warehouse for around $60, including the transmitter, and if you don't like flying then the gear is always useful for robotics and other hacking projects.

Attached is some terrible footage of the coroplast plane flying tonight :) I am planning to make a bigger wing for it over the weekend to make it a little more stable and fly a bit slower so it should be great for learners!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McD2IgCccDY

Tim.

[James McGill]

I've ordered my plane! Fingers crossed it arrives just in time for me to crash it into the ground!

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I'll be repairing and modifying quadcopters today and tomorrow. Hope to have a foam plane by next Saturday too. 

Coroplast plane night flying take 2!

Tim.

[Tim]

If Ada wakes up in time we're going to meet at the space and then do some testing...

[Gav]

Looking forward to it :-D

I'll be having a wisdom tooth out today, so I need a treat to take my mind off it. 

[Max Nippard]

Looking forward to a drugged up Gav controlling a plane. 

On Friday, May 18, 2012, Gav wrote:

Looking forward to it :-D

I'll be having a wisdom tooth out today, so I need a treat to take my mind off it. 

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Tim <coo...@gmail.com> wrote:

If Ada wakes up in time we're going to meet at the space and then do some testing...

On May 18, 2012 8:40 AM, "Max Nippard" <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'll be repairing and modifying quadcopters today and tomorrow. Hope to have a foam plane by next Saturday too. 

On Friday, May 18, 2012, Tim wrote:

Frank Sinatra, right? He is the bomb.

Anyway, Tomorrow puts us a week out of the Robots and Dinosaurs inaugural RC fly-in/drive about, and I have a feeling a lot of you aren't going to be involved. Frank would be very disappointed (the singer, not the hacker). So far I think I have counted 6 planes that have been ordered since my last email for the day, at least 3 members are giving it a go for the first time and a few old hats have new toys and old! It will be great fun when we get a few int eh air at the same time!

There's still plenty of time to pick up some kit from the Aussie Hobbyking warehouse if you are keen, or just express interest and you can have a go at flying someone else's pride and joy on the day! Even if you aren't interested in flying, I know Frank (the hacker, not the singer) at least is interested in how the servos and the Tx/Rx stuff works, and how it can be used with micro controllers and other projects, on Saturday morning there should be a few people putting finishing touches on their birds!

I just got back from flying my $5 scratch built plane(that I rebuilt after Mondays tragedy) and it's great! while not as easy as a good foam trainer it flies (relatively) straight and isn't going to upset too many people if you bury it in the ground so if you are too worried about the impending doom of learning to fly this one is for you!! If you prefer the "true hacker spirit" of building your own plane, it's easy and only takes a few hours the first time. You can buy enough components for it from the Australian warehouse for around $60, including the transmitter, and if you don't like flying then the gear is always useful for robotics and other hacking projects.

Attached is some terrible footage of the coroplast plane flying tonight :) I am planning to make a bigger wing for it over the weekend to make it a little more stable and fly a bit slower so it should be great for learners!

Coroplast plane night flying take 2!

Tim.

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[Franc Carter]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Max Nippard <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking forward to a drugged up Gav controlling a plane. 

I'll come along just to watch that!

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[Tim]

Should be even more spectacular than a sober Gav controlling an experimental plane with no real elevator control.

I'll wear a helmet this time...

Tim.

[Franc Carter]

On 18/05/2012 10:38 AM, "Tim" <coo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Should be even more spectacular than a sober Gav controlling an experimental plane with no real elevator control.
>
> I'll wear a helmet this time...

;-)

>
> Tim.
>
> On May 18, 2012 10:24 AM, "Max Nippard" <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Looking forward to a drugged up Gav controlling a plane. 
>>
>> On Friday, May 18, 2012, Gav wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking forward to it :-D
>>>
>>> I'll be having a wisdom tooth out today, so I need a treat to take my mind off it. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Tim <coo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If Ada wakes up in time we're going to meet at the space and then do some testing...
>>>>
>>>> On May 18, 2012 8:40 AM, "Max Nippard" <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be repairing and modifying quadcopters today and tomorrow. Hope to have a foam plane by next Saturday too. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, May 18, 2012, Tim wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank Sinatra, right? He is the bomb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, Tomorrow puts us a week out of the Robots and Dinosaurs inaugural RC fly-in/drive about, and I have a feeling a lot of you aren't going to be involved. Frank would be very disappointed (the singer, not the hacker). So far I think I have counted 6 planes that have been ordered since my last email for the day, at least 3 members are giving it a go for the first time and a few old hats have new toys and old! It will be great fun when we get a few int eh air at the same time!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's still plenty of time to pick up some kit from the Aussie Hobbyking warehouse if you are keen, or just express interest and you can have a go at flying someone else's pride and joy on the day! Even if you aren't interested in flying, I know Frank (the hacker, not the singer) at least is interested in how the servos and the Tx/Rx stuff works, and how it can be used with micro controllers and other projects, on Saturday morning there should be a few people putting finishing touches on their birds!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just got back from flying my $5 scratch built plane(that I rebuilt after Mondays tragedy) and it's great! while not as easy as a good foam trainer it flies (relatively) straight and isn't going to upset too many people if you bury it in the ground so if you are too worried about the impending doom of learning to fly this one is for you!! If you prefer the "true hacker spirit" of building your own plane, it's easy and only takes a few hours the first time. You can buy enough components for it from the Australian warehouse for around $60, including the transmitter, and if you don't like flying then the gear is always useful for robotics and other hacking projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attached is some terrible footage of the coroplast plane flying tonight :) I am planning to make a bigger wing for it over the weekend to make it a little more stable and fly a bit slower so it should be great for learners!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coroplast plane night flying take 2!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim.
>>>>>>

[Gav]

Now assembling planes while recovering from anaesthetic...

[Jason Lewis]

I've been trying to work out what to get that will arrive in time for the big day

I've narrowed it down to these two:

Wilga 2000 $79

and

Big Scale J3 Cub EPS 1500mm $82 but needs ESC, motor, 4 servos and battery.

The Wilga has the advantage that I can get all the bits from the .au site (it only needs a battery)

The Big Scale J3 seems to need parts that aren't available from the .au warehouse.

I'm about to place the order for the Wilga - any thoughts before I do? Anyone else want one while I am at it?

Jason

[Alex W]

I ordered from the AU warehouse on Tues and the bits arrived today so there's a good chance you will get it within 3 days anyway. But dont stress too much about it, we will have these RC days on a regular basis if I have any say about it, because i wont be able to bring all of my toys to this one :)

Have you flown before? The wilga is nice plane but from reading the reviews I think that there a few problems with its strength. You are probably going to need to reinforce it quite a lot. That means you're going need a carbon spar (which you can pick at any hobbystore, and some superglue. The hobbyking stuff is quite good and cheap too.  You also need a battery (i suggest 2) + charger and a 4ch remote.

If you have never flown before, the wilga is also an aileron plane which means its a step above a beginners plane, coupled with the report of a weak wings, I think your flying day is going to be very short.

I suggest that you have a consider a wind dragon. It comes with a beginners wing and a aileron wing for when you are feeling a bit more confident.

Better yet if you are willing to wait or get it from the international warehouse, get a Bixler. The Bixler is a REALLY good plane.. ask Tim.


-alex

[kr...@sleepingplanet.com]

hey where is the airfield for this? i think i'd like to come down and have sticky beak at it all
(if that's ok)
Also, not sure if it's relelvent, but here:
http://snipurl.com/23kcw62 (google maps)
is field of mars and this bit is in a dip which means low wind... if you wanted a place to test something youv'e built at the space
it's a car or bycycle ride away though.

[Jason Lewis]

Hi Alex,

Thanks for the advice, unfortunately I couldn't wait and I bought the
Wilga earlier today.

And I've never flown before - oh well, as you say, it might be a very
short day. :)

Jason

On 18/05/12 8:39 PM, Alex W wrote:
> I ordered from the AU warehouse on Tues and the bits arrived today so
> there's a good chance you will get it within 3 days anyway. But dont
> stress too much about it, we will have these RC days on a regular basis
> if I have any say about it, because i wont be able to bring all of my
> toys to this one :)
>
> Have you flown before? The wilga is nice plane but from reading the
> reviews I think that there a few problems with its strength. You are
> probably going to need to reinforce it quite a lot. That means you're
> going need a carbon spar (which you can pick at any hobbystore, and some
> superglue. The hobbyking stuff is quite good and cheap too. You also
> need a battery (i suggest 2) + charger and a 4ch remote.
>
> If you have never flown before, the wilga is also an aileron plane which
> means its a step above a beginners plane, coupled with the report of a
> weak wings, I think your flying day is going to be very short.
>
> I suggest that you have a consider a wind dragon

> <http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__24340__Hobbyking_Windragon_660mm_w_molded_fuselage_2pc_EPO_wing_PNF_AUS_Warehouse_.html>.

> It comes with a beginners wing and a aileron wing for when you are
> feeling a bit more confident.
>
> Better yet if you are willing to wait or get it from the international
> warehouse, get a Bixler

> <http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16542__Hobbyking_Bixler_EPO_1400mm_RTF_Mode_2_Throttle_Left_Radio_.html>.

> The Bixler is a REALLY good plane.. ask Tim.
>
>
> -alex
>
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Jason Lewis <ja...@dickson.st
> <mailto:ja...@dickson.st>> wrote:
>
> I've been trying to work out what to get that will arrive in time
> for the big day
>
> I've narrowed it down to these two:
>
> Wilga 2000

> <http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__17086__Wilga_2000_R_C_Airplane_w_ESC_Motor_Servo_and_Floats_Plug_n_Fly_AUS_Warehouse_.html>

> $79
>
> and
>
> Big Scale J3 Cub EPS 1500mm

> <http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18331__Big_Scale_J3_Cub_EPS_1500mm_ARF_AUS_Warehouse_.html>

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[Tim]

It's ok Jason, James McGill grabbed a wilga after much deliberation online, I think it will make a great first plane. We will make sure to grab some carbon rods before you fly to spec it up. Have a look at the reviews on the international warehouse model, they are great (and sold out)

Did you get a some batteries for it? And a transmitter?

I can't wait to see the plane, I think they look real nice on the website. The ailerons are a little trickier but I think we'll set some transmitters up on a trainer mode for any new people who are worried.

I hope the weather is good! 

Tim.

[Jason Lewis]

Yep, got batteries and charger and I already have a turnigy 9x which i
plan to use.

where do i get the carbon fibre rods from? and thanks, I'll have a look
at those reviews.

Jason

On 19/05/12 12:16 AM, Tim wrote:
> It's ok Jason, James McGill grabbed a wilga after much deliberation
> online, I think it will make a great first plane. We will make sure to
> grab some carbon rods before you fly to spec it up. Have a look at the
> reviews on the international warehouse model, they are great (and sold out)
>
> Did you get a some batteries for it? And a transmitter?
>
> I can't wait to see the plane, I think they look real nice on the
> website. The ailerons are a little trickier but I think we'll set some
> transmitters up on a trainer mode for any new people who are worried.
>
> I hope the weather is good!
>
> Tim.
>
> On May 18, 2012 9:58 PM, "Jason Lewis" <ja...@dickson.st

> > <mailto:ja...@dickson.st <mailto:ja...@dickson.st>>> wrote:
> >
> > I've been trying to work out what to get that will arrive in time
> > for the big day
> >
> > I've narrowed it down to these two:
> >
> > Wilga 2000
> >
> <http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__17086__Wilga_2000_R_C_Airplane_w_ESC_Motor_Servo_and_Floats_Plug_n_Fly_AUS_Warehouse_.html>
> > $79
> >
> > and
> >
> > Big Scale J3 Cub EPS 1500mm
> >
> <http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18331__Big_Scale_J3_Cub_EPS_1500mm_ARF_AUS_Warehouse_.html>
> > $82 but needs ESC, motor, 4 servos and battery.
> >
> > The Wilga has the advantage that I can get all the bits from
> the .au
> > site (it only needs a battery)
> >
> > The Big Scale J3 seems to need parts that aren't available
> from the
> > .au warehouse.
> >
> > I'm about to place the order for the Wilga - any thoughts before I
> > do? Anyone else want one while I am at it?
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > Gav wrote:
> >> Now assembling planes while recovering from anaesthetic...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, May 18, 2012, Franc Carter wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 18/05/2012 10:38 AM, "Tim" <coo...@gmail.com

> <mailto:coo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Should be even more spectacular than a sober Gav
> controlling
> >> an experimental plane with no real elevator control.
> >> >
> >> > I'll wear a helmet this time...
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Tim.
> >> >
> >> > On May 18, 2012 10:24 AM, "Max Nippard"

> <mnip...@gmail.com <mailto:mnip...@gmail.com>>

> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Looking forward to a drugged up Gav controlling a plane.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Friday, May 18, 2012, Gav wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Looking forward to it :-D
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'll be having a wisdom tooth out today, so I need a
> treat
> >> to take my mind off it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Tim

> <coo...@gmail.com <mailto:coo...@gmail.com>>

> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If Ada wakes up in time we're going to meet at the space
> >> and then do some testing...
> >> >>>>
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[Tim]

I've bought them from the hobbystore in Hornsby a few times, I think it was about $6 for a 6mm tube or something like that. 6mm should be enough to make it nice and strong.

Tim

[James McGill]

Jason - If you get some carbon tube, could you grab some for me too?

Regards,
James

[Alex W]

Yeah Jason, it will be fine. There will be plenty of people there with experience to help you which counts more than anything. It is a good plane and very pretty too, I would get one myself too if I didnt have so many projects already. :)

[James McGill]

Jason - I recommend getting your hands on Phoenix RC (or similar) if
you can. I just spent 2 hours landing a plane over and over. My first
50 attempts ended pretty badly. Now I can do it fairly reliably -
hopefully it works as well in the real world.

Question for experienced folk - do you cut throttle entirely when landing?

Regards,
James

[Jason Lewis]

So just to confirm, the plan is to have this fly-in/drive on Saturday 26
May?

Jason

[Tim]

Yep, I think we'll meet early at the flying field for all those who already have their plane set up, and then hit the space for a few hours and build/re-build and then back to the field after lunch to try again!

That seemed to work yesterday, hopefully the weather is as good next weekend.

Tim

[Max Nippard]

we should set a hard time for the 2nd trip to the field (weather permitting).

yesterday was a bit late. we only got 20 of daylight.

[Max Nippard]

Ah, that should be 20 standard earth minutes.

[Tim]

Yep. Is 330 late enough? That would give us ~90 standard earth minutes.

Will we have another Tuesday hack day?  If people can set up their new planes Tuesday then they can meet us at the park at 9 am for round 1! I think I will have art last 1 plane I will use as a trainer/sacrifice for people to try before using their new planes.

(maybe a Thursday hack day is preferable if a planes are running late? )

I think it would be unfair to try to assemble planes on Wednesday because the robot builders are getting ready for supernova and there won't be enough space

Tim.

[James McGill]

Thursday night hack would work better for me - I think my plane will
probably arrive Wednesday (Maybe Tuesday if I'm super lucky).

Regards,
James

[Gav]

Thursday night construction sounds like a pretty solid plan, I'll open be there from just after 5 to open the space.  And 3:30 afternoon flight on Sat (w/ 9am early bird options) sounds like a good idea too. 

I've just got the PDF with the build instructions for this:

http://makeprojects.com/Project/-The-Towel-R-C-Stunt-Plane/2042/1#.T7jh2J8tg5Q

Which looks cool. Think I'll try cutting one and giving it a try. Also, I'll have some radio controllable LED headlights done at some point, and happy to set people up with the code for night flying :-D

Cheers,

Gav

[Madox]

Is anyone building a car/hovercraft/boat/anything not a plane still?!?!?!

On Friday, May 18, 2012 12:08:38 AM UTC+10, Tim wrote:

Frank Sinatra, right? He is the bomb.

Anyway, Tomorrow puts us a week out of the Robots and Dinosaurs inaugural RC fly-in/drive about, and I have a feeling a lot of you aren't going to be involved. Frank would be very disappointed (the singer, not the hacker). So far I think I have counted 6 planes that have been ordered since my last email for the day, at least 3 members are giving it a go for the first time and a few old hats have new toys and old! It will be great fun when we get a few int eh air at the same time!

There's still plenty of time to pick up some kit from the Aussie Hobbyking warehouse if you are keen, or just express interest and you can have a go at flying someone else's pride and joy on the day! Even if you aren't interested in flying, I know Frank (the hacker, not the singer) at least is interested in how the servos and the Tx/Rx stuff works, and how it can be used with micro controllers and other projects, on Saturday morning there should be a few people putting finishing touches on their birds!

I just got back from flying my $5 scratch built plane(that I rebuilt after Mondays tragedy) and it's great! while not as easy as a good foam trainer it flies (relatively) straight and isn't going to upset too many people if you bury it in the ground so if you are too worried about the impending doom of learning to fly this one is for you!! If you prefer the "true hacker spirit" of building your own plane, it's easy and only takes a few hours the first time. You can buy enough components for it from the Australian warehouse for around $60, including the transmitter, and if you don't like flying then the gear is always useful for robotics and other hacking projects.

Attached is some terrible footage of the coroplast plane flying tonight :) I am planning to make a bigger wing for it over the weekend to make it a little more stable and fly a bit slower so it should be great for learners!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McD2IgCccDY

Tim.

[Alex W]

yup, pizza box flyers are the simplest stunt RC plane you can make.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWQQc94MBU

http://www.jcrc.com/images/PizzaBoxFlyer/pizzaboxflyerpage1.htm

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48254

[Jason Lewis]

I'll try and head up to the hobby store on Wednesday. Anyone else want 6mm tube?

[Alex W]

yup, its an Angy Bird... or the indoor swimmer version.

[Max Nippard]

I will have my big quadcopter flying on Saturday and don't have a GoPro to put on it. Anyone want to loan one?

It can stay in the waterproof case for safety and I plan on building long landing gear with a camera mount below the quad on friday so it should be well protected.

Video of the gathering from the air would be a great use for that GoPro you may have gathering dust in the corner!

[Gav]

I'll bring mine in :-D

[Max Nippard]

Cool, thanks!

[tALSit de CoD]

Oh, so now that I'm out of the country you all have fly-offs!!
// talsit.org

[Max Nippard]

We were waiting until you left with that fancy Mikrokoper so it doesn't show us up.

[tALSit de CoD]

What about my "dodgy quad":

http://nanibox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20120521-dq-asm-test-DSCN6935.jpg 

Looks good, doesn't it!?

Btw, for those interested, I'm going to try to keep a build-log on  http://nanibox.com/category/quad/ 
// talsit.org

[Max Nippard]

That's looking great! 

Is the container for dust protection as well as crash protection?

On Monday, May 21, 2012, tALSit de CoD wrote:

What about my "dodgy quad":

http://nanibox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20120521-dq-asm-test-DSCN6935.jpg 

Looks good, doesn't it!?

Btw, for those interested, I'm going to try to keep a build-log on  http://nanibox.com/category/quad/ 
// talsit.org

On 21 May 2012 11:55, Max Nippard <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:

We were waiting until you left with that fancy Mikrokoper so it doesn't show us up.

On 21 May 2012 20:43, tALSit de CoD <tal...@talsit.org> wrote:

Oh, so now that I'm out of the country you all have fly-offs!!
// talsit.org

On 21 May 2012 10:51, Max Nippard <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cool, thanks!

On 21 May 2012 19:15, Gav <the.mechat...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'll bring mine in :-D

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Max Nippard <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:

I will have my big quadcopter flying on Saturday and don't have a GoPro to put on it. Anyone want to loan one?

It can stay in the waterproof case for safety and I plan on building long landing gear with a camera mount below the quad on friday so it should be well protected.

Video of the gathering from the air would be a great use for that GoPro you may have gathering dust in the corner!

On 21 May 2012 17:28, Alex W <looi...@gmail.com> wrote:

yup, its an Angy Bird... or the indoor swimmer version.

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Alex W <looi...@gmail.com> wrote:

yup, pizza box flyers are the simplest stunt RC plane you can make.

Electric Pizza Box Flyer building video

http://www.jcrc.com/images/PizzaBoxFlyer/pizzaboxflyerpage1.htm

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48254

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Gav <the.mechat...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thursday night construction sounds like a pretty solid plan, I'll open be there from just after 5 to open the space.  And 3:30 afternoon flight on Sat (w/ 9am early bird options) sounds like a good idea too. 

I've just got the PDF with the build instructions for this:

http://makeprojects.com/Project/-The-Towel-R-C-Stunt-Plane/2042/1#.T7jh2J8tg5Q

Which looks cool. Think I'll try cutting one and giving it a try. Also, I'll have some radio controllable LED headlights done at some point, and happy to set people up with the code for night flying :-D

[tALSit de CoD]

I got the idea for the tupperware from Alex. It's round, protects the electronics and snaps in place!

// talsit.org

[Alex W]

great! how much does it weigh now?

[tALSit de CoD]

I think it's around 900gr without battery, I'll check tomorrow.
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[Tim]

I will bring my FPV gear to plug into a few planes as well.

Does the gopro video out take a 3.5mm connection or something?

Tim.

[Sam choy]

Hi Robots and Dinosaur crew.
I have been reading this gmail group for about a month and would like
to finally come down and meet yahs in the flesh like. My geeky brother
in law lives locally to your new Gladesville space and I was hoping we
could become regular to your posse. :D

Where is this flying field so I can come down on Saturday and watch?

Thanks

Sam

[Max Nippard]

Hey Sam, welcome to the group. 

The park we fly at is George kendall riverside park

Hope this link works (cut and pasted on iPhone)

> > >Coroplast plane night flying take 2!
>

[Tim]

Welcome shadow-dweller!

Weather permitting we will be a george kendall riverside park at 9 am.

We will meet where that basketball court is, best place to park is Gregory St.

http://g.co/maps/ez2ba

Look forward to meeting you!

TIm

[Jason Lewis]

ooh, received a very long cardboard box in the post today!

Jason

James McGill wrote:
> Jason - I recommend getting your hands on Phoenix RC (or similar) if
> you can. I just spent 2 hours landing a plane over and over. My first
> 50 attempts ended pretty badly. Now I can do it fairly reliably -
> hopefully it works as well in the real world.
>
> Question for experienced folk - do you cut throttle entirely when landing?
>
> Regards,
> James
>
> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Alex W <looi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah Jason, it will be fine. There will be plenty of people there with
>> experience to help you which counts more than anything. It is a good plane
>> and very pretty too, I would get one myself too if I didnt have so many
>> projects already. :)

>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Looking forward to a drugged up Gav controlling a plane.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Friday, May 18, 2012, Gav wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Looking forward to it :-D
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I'll be having a wisdom tooth out today, so I need a treat
>>>>>> to take my mind off it.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Tim <coo...@gmail.com>

>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> If Ada wakes up in time we're going to meet at the space
>>>>>> and then do some testing...
>>>>>> >>>>

>>>>>> >>>> On May 18, 2012 8:40 AM, "Max Nippard"

>>>>>> <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I'll be repairing and modifying quadcopters today and
>>>>>> tomorrow. Hope to have a foam plane by next Saturday too.
>>>>>> >>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>> Coroplast plane night flying take 2!
>>>>>> >>>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>> Tim.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
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[kr...@sleepingplanet.com]

I am the geeky brother inlaw

jaycar are selling these for buy 1 get one free
http://www.coolgifts.com.au/products/3-Channel-RC-Helicopter-With-%5Baluminium-frame%5D-S006G.html
i've bought one (2) they look godawful but as long as i don't wreck any of your aircraft, hopefully they can be fun.
i was surprised to see they don't operate on 2.4ghz.
I'm assuming that at 40mhz they won't interfere with your gear, is this correct?

[Max Nippard]

Hi Kris,

Your heli radio shouldn't be a problem with any others. If others have non 2.4g radios you can alway take turns. 

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[Dyrodium]

I found a plane! Little EPP funjet... I think I've got enough
brushless gear around to make it go too. :D

On May 20, 5:10 pm, Tim <cool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep. Is 330 late enough? That would give us ~90 standard earth minutes.
>
> Will we have another Tuesday hack day?  If people can set up their new
> planes Tuesday then they can meet us at the park at 9 am for round 1! I
> think I will have art last 1 plane I will use as a trainer/sacrifice for
> people to try before using their new planes.
>
> (maybe a Thursday hack day is preferable if a planes are running late? )
>
> I think it would be unfair to try to assemble planes on Wednesday because
> the robot builders are getting ready for supernova and there won't be
> enough space
>
> Tim.

> On May 20, 2012 2:51 PM, "Max Nippard" <mnipp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ah, that should be 20 standard earth minutes.
>

> > On 20 May 2012 14:46, Max Nippard <mnipp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> we should set a hard time for the 2nd trip to the field (weather
> >> permitting).
> >> yesterday was a bit late. we only got 20 of daylight.
>

[Jason Lewis]

So I received the box for the plane in the post, but its missing the
batteries and charger that I ordered at the same time. all was ordered
from the .au warehouse of hobbyking

does HK ship in multiple consignments sometimes?

The order on the HK site says all items are "Reserved" which in their
terms means they have received payment for them and items are reserved
waiting shipment.

Any ideas?

Jason

[Tim]

your packages should be marked as "delivered" (4 ticks) on their website... Did you make 2 orders or just the 1?

Tim.

[James McGill]

Did you poke around the box carefully? My batteries were hidden.

Regards,
James

[Jason Lewis]

Never mind, I double checked the packaging and they were there after all, just wrapped in tons of packaging!

Thanks Tim

Jason 

[James McGill]

Out of interest, how many batteries did you get? I got 3, and now
regret not getting more.

[Tim]

It took weeks before I was able to fly my plane with out breaking it long enough to use up all my batteries. 3 should be fine :)

That said, the first time you bring in your plane in to land on the last battery, and you are forced to pack up an go home not because you broke something, but because you ran out of power is a great day!!

Tim.

[Tim]

Argh! the weather has turned... current report says it will be windy on Saturday. I don't know what that means (in terms of speed) but generally any wind is bad. :(

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/nsw/sydney/lane-cove 

That makes it incredibly hard to fly planes! If it is anything more that a breeze then I would suggest all shiny new planes stay on the ground. If we are there at 9 we might get lucky as the wind usually picks up through the day, but it still might be blown out.

Only thing we can do is make a call on the day and reschedule! Hopefully someone involved lives close enough to the space/field to give us a heads up around 8 so we can call it before everyone leaves for the field. Any volunteers?

Tim.

[James McGill]

:(

Are we still building tonight?

Regards,
James

[Tim]

Yep, I'll be there in an hour or so and I have a few things to put together.

Tim

[Madox]

I am tempted to put an internet connected anemometer for this purpose...

Maybe with a camera pointing at a flag too in case we don't trust the anemometer or its calibration..

[Ada Lim]

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avreq?met=ysbk

I do believe that's the closest aeronautical weather station to
ermington. only 8 knots at the moment, but note the "moderate-severe
turbulence below 5000 ft" remark. will be a handful.

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[kr...@sleepingplanet.com]

I live round the corner (cressy road) i can certainly send an email about what my trees are doing at 8am on Saturday.
I've been practicing with my dodgy helicopter. it has a tendency to go backwards all the time so a bit of wind might help :0)

[tALSit de CoD]

Hell yes!!
It flies!!

https://vimeo.com/42783142 

And for all those people that are going to ask what the hell is grass doing there in one of the driest places on earth, that's the gardens of the central court house of Swakopmund. And it's so lush and green because they use sewage water to water the grass... so, it stinks. But yes, that's the only piece of grass anywhere around there.

I'll post more build info later.

// talsit.org

[Alex W]

nice!! how much trottle are you giving it?

[Max Nippard]

Thanks Kris, a wind report would be great.

[tALSit de CoD]

In that video, about 30%
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[Max Nippard]

Succsess.  
Was that video slowed down a little?

[Tim]

Awesome work, that's what I like to see, Precision flying machines made out of whatever crap you find laying around.

What controller board are you using?

Tim.

[Luke Emrose]

I'm so proud talsit, so proud.

Love your work, as always, and I love that cheeky grin when you turn to the camera at the end ;-)

Knowing you, I next expect one the size of the park, I wait in anticipation.

Luke Emrose
aka evolutionary theory
www.evolutionarytheory.com
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[Gav]

Nice work, Talsit :-D

[Alex W]

Thats should be the KK Plus I gave him. Talsit, did you put in the autoleveller? it seems sort of sluggish.

[Alex W]

by sluggish, i mean smooth and level. not so touchy and wobbly.

[Ada Lim]

At Bankstown right now:

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avreq?met=ysbk

15 knots
from 2pm
18 gusting to 28 knots.

[Justin]

Like a few others, I’ve been stalking this forum for a while but
figured it’s time to come down to meet and greet you all.
After procrastinating long enough, I bought a Turnigy 9X from Hobby
King (knowing there will be a wait till its shipped) to keep me
entertained through Winter until both the weather and my flying skills
have improved enough to not crash any potential plane/helicopter I end
up getting.
If the weather is still shocking tomorrow, will people still be
bringing their planes/ect to the space for show and tell?

[Ada Lim]

I think there might be some show and play!  Just so you know, winter is often a better time to fly (real) planes than summer.

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[Max Nippard]

Hi Justin, 

We be at the space either way, just might be a bit later if the weather is good enough to fly in the morning. 

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[Justin]

Cheers Ada & Max!
I have other commitments first thing, but will definitely come down
and check it all out.
If I get to the space and no one is there, I'll just wander up to the
flying field!

[Tim]

I think I still have 4 planes I left at the space, and I think Ada has more than that!... Unless it is blowing a gale then I will (try) to fly one of my homebrew planes, they only take an hour or so to rebuild so I don't mind trashing them.

Justin no better way to learn than to start crashing planes! even if you buy foam planes they are pretty easy to repair and cheap enough that learning to fly isn't such a daunting task.

Will just have to wait for the weather report tomorrow!

Tim.

[Ada Lim]

The Quickie Burt Special has a new front/bottom fuse, and a new top/rear fuse (thanks max!).   I just need a way of attaching the two together now.   The Mig has gone home - too pretty to crash. The cub is getting giant flaperons today.  I think the 172 is ready, and the O-1 had its tail reglued but my new motor mount for it arrived today!  It, on the other hand, is getting giant elevator and rudder.

I need to turn into a tim style builder.

[kris]

weather at the moment is:

Gusty

I just rode home on the bike and coming over gladesville bridge i changed lanes...involuntarily.

next update at 8am
I don't have an anemometer, don't blame me if my "ok, not much wind" is the RC plane equivalent of a tornado :0)

[Max Nippard]

It's a little WINDY!

The space will be open as normal but the flying wil have to be another day or late this afternoon if the wind eases a lot. 

[kris]

Alright, this is your 8am weather report.
it's a bit windy, but not that windy.
I mean yes the tops of the trees are moving around.
but that could be possums.
the radar loop says it coming from the NNW at 19kmh so it might be muted in the park...

is it too windy?
I have spent most of this week bouncing a cheap helicopter into expensive ornaments in the lounge.



On 22/05/2012 10:26 AM, Tim wrote:

Welcome shadow-dweller!

Weather permitting we will be a george kendall riverside park at 9 am.

We will meet where that basketball court is, best place to park is Gregory St.

http://g.co/maps/ez2ba

Look forward to meeting you!

TIm

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Sam choy <samue...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Robots and Dinosaur crew.
I have been reading this gmail group for about a month and would like
to finally come down and meet yahs in the flesh like. My geeky brother
in law lives locally to your new Gladesville space and I was hoping we
could become regular to your posse. :D

Where is this flying field so I can come down on Saturday and watch?

Thanks

Sam

On May 20, 2:25 pm, Tim <cool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, I think we'll meet early at the flying field for all those who already
> have their plane set up, and then hit the space for a few hours and
> build/re-build and then back to the field after lunch to try again!
>
> That seemed to work yesterday, hopefully the weather is as good next
> weekend.
>
> Tim

> On May 20, 2012 9:59 AM, "Jason Lewis" <ja...@dickson.st> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > So just to confirm, the plan is to have this fly-in/drive on Saturday 26
> > May?
>
> > Jason

> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McD2IgCccDY
>
> > > Tim.

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[kris]

and i'm sure this
wind warning for closed sydney waters is a typo ;0)
http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/warnings/sydneywaters.shtml

arse.
I really wanted to fly. Does say its easing toward this afternoon.

What time is the space opening?

[Tim]

The weatherman says it's Going to get worse this afternoon :(

when are you getting to the space Max?

How about we meet there and then find somewhere to go and race cars :)

Tim

[Max Nippard]

I'll be at the space at 10am

[James McGill]

Nuts :( and I don't even have any cars to race

<opens hobby king>

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Tim <coo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The weatherman says it's Going to get worse this afternoon :(
>
> when are you getting to the space Max?
>
> How about we meet there and then find somewhere to go and race cars :)
>
> Tim
>
> On May 26, 2012 6:21 AM, "Max Nippard" <mnip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's a little WINDY!
>> The space will be open as normal but the flying wil have to be another day

>> or late this afternoNon if the wind eases a lot.

[Dr Ada Not-a-fruit]

On May 26, 8:07 am, Tim <cool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The weatherman says it's Going to get worse this afternoon :(
>

TAF YSBK 252228Z 2600/2612
27025G35KT CAVOK
FM260600 26015G25KT CAVOK
FM261000 25010KT CAVOK
RMK FM260000 MOD/SEV TURB BLW 5000FT TILL260800
T 14 17 16 12 Q 1014 1013 1013 1015

TAF YSBK 251650Z 2518/2612
29015KT CAVOK
FM252200 27025G35KT CAVOK
FM260600 26015G25KT CAVOK
FM260800 25010KT CAVOK
RMK FM251800 MOD/SEV TURB BLW 5000FT TILL 260800
T 11 11 15 17 Q 1011 1013 1014 1012

(for those who don't read TAF:

from 0830, 25 gusting to 35 knots from the west
4pm onwards, 15 gusting to 25
8pm onwards, 10 knots
from 10am til 6pm, moderate to severe turbulence below 5000ft
temperatures around 15 degrees droppping to 12
pressures around neutral)

that's suicide weather to take a plane of less than about 500 kilos
up, imo.

[James McGill]

Thanks for the explanation Ada!

What's the upper bounds on wind speed for beginner flying? 5 knots? less?

Regards,
James

[Max Nippard]

Every knot above zero is less fun for beginners. (unless your flying slope soarers)

[Tim]

Look at the trees, if the wind is bending branches imagine what it will do with 400g of foam...

A steady breeze is OK, but gusting wind is terrible.

Tim.

[Alex W]

i am at the field again, it is still too windy to fly.

and the reason i am here again is that i think i left my Asus transformer tablet here on the grass. either that or it was stolen this morning while i wasnt paying attention. :(

[kris]

It can happen, friend of mind lost his pushbike which was lying at the side of the football field he was playing on at the time.
And it's not like there was a crowd of spectators.

Are you sure its not in your car, and or does it have a sim or gps chip in it.

worst case (not 3g, no sim, no app running like Google latitude) you can keep an eye out for people taking pictures with it.
all you need is one or more pictures that you have taken with it.
http://www.stolencamerafinder.com/ (doesn't list asus but may still work)
http://www.camerafound.com/

http://cameratrace.com/ (chargeable)

[tALSit de CoD]

Well, since the weather here is always almost perfect for flying, I went "flying" yesterday!!

Here's what happened:

https://vimeo.com/42846261 

Everything held up ok, except for a single propeller, which I think is great for how hard it came down.

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[Alex W]

thanks. yes, its my own stupidity that lost it. unfortunately, the only protection is the screenlock. I have Lookout on it but it wont work without wifi internet. so i hope the screenlock pattern is strong enough to force whoever has it to wipe it.

[Kris]

Oooo I forget to add, do go to the local cop shop and ask if anyone handed it in.
Its worth the effort.
Nearest decent police station is gladesville. But there may be a smaller shop front near the field.

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[James McGill]

Ooh, we hit a centi-thread.

[James McGill]

If we're not going to fly, I may as well spend the day learning to
read TAF. Here's the latest update:

TAF TAF YSBK 261652Z 2618/2712
27005KT CAVOK
FM262300 21010KT 9999 FEW040
RMK
T 08 08 14 18 Q 1018 1019 1021 1019

And my attempt to read it:

TAF report from YSBK station at 16:52 GMT (3am local time?) on the 26th.
Wind: Bearing 270 degrees, 5 Knots. Ceiling and visibility are OK

From 26:23 10 Knots at 210 degrees. Visibility 10KM or more. A few
clouds at 4000 (ft?)

I'm not sure what the 2616/2712 or T 08 08 14 18 Q 1018 1019 1021 1019
sequence mean. Any ideas?

Regards,
James

[Tim]

They probably just throw that in to mess with you James!

Today looks like a good day to fly! I'm busy all day though :( We ended up flying yesterday though, the wind dropped enough by the afternoon for a few of us to risk our birds, I'm sorry to report none survived the day...

hopefully i can get the morning of next weekend to try again!

Tim.

[Ada Lim]

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:07 AM, James McGill <ple...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If we're not going to fly, I may as well spend the day learning to
> read TAF. Here's the latest update:
>
> TAF    TAF YSBK 261652Z 2618/2712
>       27005KT CAVOK
>       FM262300 21010KT 9999 FEW040
>       RMK
>       T 08 08 14 18 Q 1018 1019 1021 1019
>
> And my attempt to read it:
>
> TAF report from YSBK station at 16:52 GMT (3am local time?) on the 26th.

a TAF isn't a report, it's a forecast. if you want a current report,
you need to look at the METAR (on the same page from air services
australia). so the1652Z is the time of issuance of the forecast, and
2618 (so 4am) to 2712 (10pm) is the period of validity of the
forecast.

YSBK is bankstown. All of the sydney stations are YS (so YSSY, YSBK, YSCN).

> Wind: Bearing 270 degrees, 5 Knots. Ceiling and visibility are OK

excellent.

> From 26:23 10 Knots at 210 degrees. Visibility 10KM or more. A few
> clouds at 4000 (ft?)

2623 is 2300 GMT on the 26th, so 9am on sunday local time.

040 is 4000 ft, yes. it's essentially a flight level, but those start
at 10000 ft. (flight levels are encoded at 101.3 kPa; altitudes
below that are encoded at local pressure.)

> I'm not sure what the 2616/2712 or T 08 08 14 18 Q 1018 1019 1021 1019
> sequence mean. Any ideas?

2616/2712 is validity time.

T x y z o is the temperature through the validity period.
Q x y z o is the local air pressure (in hPa) through the validity period.

For reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_aerodrome_forecast

[Dyrodium]

Had fun regardless of the blow out for planes ! We should try that
again in a months time... weather dependant naturally. Keen to get my
little flying wing going now. :)