I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation
capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find
the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me
your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it
too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
material).
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote: > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing > material).
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> I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing > material).
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> If anyone nails it, he'll just say they cheated... > S
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote:
>> I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation >> capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below >> leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 >> tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
>> DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with >> ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
>> Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find >> the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me >> your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can >> reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it >> too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing >> material).
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Steven Sullivan <ssu...@panix.com> wrote: > I'm game. Presumably all four should sound different, and best to worst > would be 1, 4, 3, 2, in the list below?
> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation > > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below > > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 > > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with > > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find > > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me > > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can > > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it > > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing > > material).
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Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing material).
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> Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation
> capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find
> the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me
> your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it
> too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> material).
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SurroundSound" group.
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I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I
may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his
next visit to Budapest :-)
On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> you see a huge drop in quality.
> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation
> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find
> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me
> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it
> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> > material).
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> > Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4776 - Release Date: 01/30/12- Idézett szöveg elrejtése -
> I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I
> may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his
> next visit to Budapest :-)
> On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> > you see a huge drop in quality.
> > On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation
> > > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> > > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> > > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> > > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find
> > > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me
> > > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> > > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it
> > > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> > > material).
> > > --
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> Free wine! I'm in. Well worth the trip to Budapest!
> On Jan 31, 2:29 pm, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote:
> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I
> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his
> > next visit to Budapest :-)
> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> > > you see a huge drop in quality.
> > > On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > > > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation
> > > > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> > > > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> > > > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > > > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> > > > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > > > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find
> > > > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me
> > > > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> > > > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it
> > > > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> > > > material).
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> > > - Idézett szöveg megjelenítése -- Ocultar texto de la cita -
Here's my guess (I'm brave so I'll post it here):
Track #1 DTS 5.1 (1510 kbps) this was a bit of a guess
Track #2 This is the DTS 24/96 5.1 (1510 kbps)
Track #3 The unaltered MLP (this was the easiest one for me to figure
out and I hope I'm right)
Track #4 DTS 5.1 (755 kbps) may have this one mixed up with track #1
You can PM me and let me know if I'm off, the two I was pretty sure of
is track 2 and 3. Track 3 is definitely the original MLP I believe.
On Jan 31, 3:30 pm, ArnoldLayne <arnoldlayn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are we talking Tokaji? Make way for the winner (me)!!
> On 31 ene, 23:45, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > Free wine! I'm in. Well worth the trip to Budapest!
> > On Jan 31, 2:29 pm, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote:
> > > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> > > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I
> > > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his
> > > next visit to Budapest :-)
> > > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > > Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> > > > you see a huge drop in quality.
> > > > On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > > > > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation
> > > > > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> > > > > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> > > > > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > > > > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> > > > > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > > > > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find
> > > > > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me
> > > > > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> > > > > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it
> > > > > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> > > > > material).
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> > > > > Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4776 - Release Date: 01/30/12- Idézett szöveg elrejtése -
> > > > - Idézett szöveg megjelenítése -- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> Here's my guess (I'm brave so I'll post it here):
> Track #1 DTS 5.1 (1510 kbps) this was a bit of a guess
> Track #2 This is the DTS 24/96 5.1 (1510 kbps)
> Track #3 The unaltered MLP (this was the easiest one for me to figure
> out and I hope I'm right)
> Track #4 DTS 5.1 (755 kbps) may have this one mixed up with track #1
> You can PM me and let me know if I'm off, the two I was pretty sure of
> is track 2 and 3. Track 3 is definitely the original MLP I believe.
> On Jan 31, 3:30 pm, ArnoldLayne <arnoldlayn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Are we talking Tokaji? Make way for the winner (me)!!
> > On 31 ene, 23:45, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > Free wine! I'm in. Well worth the trip to Budapest!
> > > On Jan 31, 2:29 pm, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote:
> > > > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> > > > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I
> > > > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his
> > > > next visit to Budapest :-)
> > > > > Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> > > > > you see a huge drop in quality.
> > > > > On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > > > > > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio evaluation
> > > > > > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> > > > > > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> > > > > > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > > > > > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> > > > > > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > > > > > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to find
> > > > > > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me
> > > > > > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> > > > > > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take it
> > > > > > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> > > > > > material).
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> > > > > > Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > > > > > > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4776 - Release Date: 01/30/12- Idézett szöveg elrejtése -
> > > > > - Idézett szöveg megjelenítése -- Ocultar texto de la cita -
> > > - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Idézett szöveg elrejtése -
> I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his > next visit to Budapest :-)
> On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote: >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where >> you see a huge drop in quality.
>> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
>> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio >> evaluation >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
>> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
>> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to >> find >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take >> it >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing >> > material).
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Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies,
although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined
it iin another thread.
On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles, between
> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I
> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his
> > next visit to Budapest :-)
> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio
> >> evaluation
> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to
> >> find
> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me
> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take
> >> it
> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> >> > material).
> >> > --
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> >> Groups "SurroundSound" group.
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> >> > Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > >> > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4776 - Release Date:
> >> 01/30/12- Id zett sz veg elrejt se -
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On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:02 PM, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote: > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies, > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined > it iin another thread.
> On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote: > > Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles, between > > standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
> > > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to > > > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I > > > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his > > > next visit to Budapest :-)
> > > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote: > > >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where > > >> you see a huge drop in quality.
> > >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio > > >> evaluation > > >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below > > >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 > > >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with > > >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to > > >> find > > >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM me > > >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can > > >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take > > >> it > > >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing > > >> > material).
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OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best for people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's answers are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't influenced by other subjects' answers.
> Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies, > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined > it iin another thread.
> On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote: >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles, between >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
>> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
>> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote: >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
>> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
>> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio >> >> evaluation >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
>> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
>> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to >> >> find >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM >> me >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take >> >> it >> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing >> >> > material).
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I think it's difficult to tell the differences between high bitrate
dts and mlp. DTS can sound pretty good. Where you see the big
dropoff is with dolby digital. I find it a matter of listener fatigue
when you listen to the lower bitrate surround such as ac3, the mlp and
dts sound fuller and you can listen louder and longer without getting
tired. Before Steven comes on and says "hogwash" well, it's what I
hear and what I feel. I think a better test and easier to tell the
difference is comparing an ac3 and .mlp file, or a dts and ac3 file.
To me they're really easy to pick out, unlike the current test where
you need to listen for quite a while and carefully. The problem might
be to have the files appear the same and play at the same volume for
testing fairness.
On Feb 1, 10:01 am, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best for
> people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's answers
> are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't
> influenced by other subjects' answers.
> > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies,
> > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined
> > it iin another thread.
> > On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles, between
> >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
> >> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I
> >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his
> >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
> >> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
> >> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> >> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio
> >> >> evaluation
> >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> >> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> >> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to
> >> >> find
> >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM
> >> me
> >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take
> >> >> it
> >> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> >> >> > material).
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First of all I will send my comments to Grill over the weekend as I said I would. But an interesting thing has cropped up - I find I had time enough for a quick listen on my study set up which is the only set up that I now have a DVD-A player (Pioneer 565a) as I have for the moment de-commissioned my Denon as for my reference system as I prefer my "tuned" HTPC. The interesting thing is that the DVD-A didn't half try hard to mask the evident smear, bordering on drop-outs on two of the tracks (we can guess which these are) which on my study PC was almost unlistenable to me. Now when I've listened on my reference system I will pass on my comments to Grill, not that I haven't made a judgement already.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Steven Sullivan <ssu...@panix.com> wrote: > OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best for > people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's answers > are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't > influenced by other subjects' answers.
> > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies, > > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined > > it iin another thread.
> > On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote: > >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles, between > >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
> >> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to > >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I > >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his > >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
> >> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote: > >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where > >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
> >> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
> >> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> >> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio > >> >> evaluation > >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below > >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 > >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> >> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with > >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> >> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to > >> >> find > >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM > >> me > >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can > >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take > >> >> it > >> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing > >> >> > material).
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> I think it's difficult to tell the differences between high bitrate
> dts and mlp. DTS can sound pretty good. Where you see the big
> dropoff is with dolby digital. I find it a matter of listener fatigue
> when you listen to the lower bitrate surround such as ac3, the mlp and
> dts sound fuller and you can listen louder and longer without getting
> tired. Before Steven comes on and says "hogwash" well, it's what I
> hear and what I feel. I think a better test and easier to tell the
> difference is comparing an ac3 and .mlp file, or a dts and ac3 file.
> To me they're really easy to pick out, unlike the current test where
> you need to listen for quite a while and carefully. The problem might
> be to have the files appear the same and play at the same volume for
> testing fairness.
> On Feb 1, 10:01 am, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> > OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best for
> > people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's answers
> > are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't
> > influenced by other subjects' answers.
> > > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies,
> > > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined
> > > it iin another thread.
> > > On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> > >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles, between
> > >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
> > >> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> > >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening time. I
> > >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during his
> > >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
> > >> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> > >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
> > >> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > >> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio
> > >> >> evaluation
> > >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link below
> > >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> > >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > >> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> > >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > >> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to
> > >> >> find
> > >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM
> > >> me
> > >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts can
> > >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't take
> > >> >> it
> > >> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> > >> >> > material).
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Grill - can you let us know what the track background is please as I am interested only on what studio equipment was used - i.e. was this a DSD master or PCM or analogue to PCM? BTW for those who want to hear the genuine differences on each track just compare section 2.20 to 2.45 on each and listen for decay, smear and compression. Please - answers to that question.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote: > I think it's difficult to tell the differences between high bitrate > dts and mlp. DTS can sound pretty good. Where you see the big > dropoff is with dolby digital. I find it a matter of listener fatigue > when you listen to the lower bitrate surround such as ac3, the mlp and > dts sound fuller and you can listen louder and longer without getting > tired. Before Steven comes on and says "hogwash" well, it's what I > hear and what I feel. I think a better test and easier to tell the > difference is comparing an ac3 and .mlp file, or a dts and ac3 file. > To me they're really easy to pick out, unlike the current test where > you need to listen for quite a while and carefully. The problem might > be to have the files appear the same and play at the same volume for > testing fairness.
> On Feb 1, 10:01 am, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote: > > OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best > for > > people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's > answers > > are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't > > influenced by other subjects' answers.
> > > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies, > > > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined > > > it iin another thread.
> > > On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote: > > >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles, > between > > >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
> > >> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to > > >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening > time. I > > >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during > his > > >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
> > >> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote: > > >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where > > >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
> > >> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
> > >> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > >> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio > > >> >> evaluation > > >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link > below > > >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 > > >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > >> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with > > >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > >> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to > > >> >> find > > >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM > > >> me > > >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts > can > > >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't > take > > >> >> it > > >> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing > > >> >> > material).
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> Grill - can you let us know what the track background is please as I am
> interested only on what studio equipment was used - i.e. was this a DSD
> master or PCM or analogue to PCM?
> BTW for those who want to hear the genuine differences on each track just
> compare section 2.20 to 2.45 on each and listen for decay, smear and
> compression. Please - answers to that question.
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > I think it's difficult to tell the differences between high bitrate
> > dts and mlp. DTS can sound pretty good. Where you see the big
> > dropoff is with dolby digital. I find it a matter of listener fatigue
> > when you listen to the lower bitrate surround such as ac3, the mlp and
> > dts sound fuller and you can listen louder and longer without getting
> > tired. Before Steven comes on and says "hogwash" well, it's what I
> > hear and what I feel. I think a better test and easier to tell the
> > difference is comparing an ac3 and .mlp file, or a dts and ac3 file.
> > To me they're really easy to pick out, unlike the current test where
> > you need to listen for quite a while and carefully. The problem might
> > be to have the files appear the same and play at the same volume for
> > testing fairness.
> > On Feb 1, 10:01 am, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> > > OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best
> > for
> > > people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's
> > answers
> > > are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't
> > > influenced by other subjects' answers.
> > > > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies,
> > > > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined
> > > > it iin another thread.
> > > > On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> > > >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles,
> > between
> > > >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
> > > >> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves to
> > > >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening
> > time. I
> > > >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during
> > his
> > > >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
> > > >> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's where
> > > >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
> > > >> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> > > >> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio
> > > >> >> evaluation
> > > >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link
> > below
> > > >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> > > >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> > > >> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> > > >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> > > >> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least to
> > > >> >> find
> > > >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can PM
> > > >> me
> > > >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts
> > can
> > > >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't
> > take
> > > >> >> it
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Actually just using 2.0 tracks instead of 5.1 would probably have made the test more sensitive. As Floyd Toole notes in his book, surround itself is more forgiving, masking in a number of audio flaws.
> First of all I will send my comments to Grill over the weekend as I said > I would. But an interesting thing has cropped up - I find I had time > enough > for a quick listen on my study set up which is the only set up that I > now > have a DVD-A player (Pioneer 565a) as I have for the moment > de-commissioned > my Denon as for my reference system as I prefer my "tuned" HTPC. > The interesting thing is that the DVD-A didn't half try hard to mask the > evident smear, bordering on drop-outs on two of the tracks (we can guess > which these are) which on my study PC was almost unlistenable to me. > Now when I've listened on my reference system I will pass on my comments > to Grill, not that I haven't made a judgement already.
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Steven Sullivan <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
>> OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best >> for >> people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's >> answers >> are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't >> influenced by other subjects' answers.
>> > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies, >> > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined >> > it iin another thread.
>> > On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote: >> >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles, >> between >> >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
>> >> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves >> to >> >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening >> time. I >> >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during >> his >> >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
>> >> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote: >> >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's >> where >> >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
>> >> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
>> >> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio >> >> >> evaluation >> >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link >> below >> >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96 >> >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
>> >> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with >> >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
>> >> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least >> to >> >> >> find >> >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can >> PM >> >> me >> >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts >> can >> >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't >> take >> >> >> it >> >> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing >> >> >> > material).
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Once this test closes I can prepare any kind of testing material at
the group's request. However, I'm interested and feeling much better
in surround audio environment :-)
On febr. 1, 23:07, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> Actually just using 2.0 tracks instead of 5.1 would probably have made the
> test more sensitive. As Floyd Toole notes in his book, surround itself is
> more forgiving, masking in a number of audio flaws.
> > First of all I will send my comments to Grill over the weekend as I said
> > I would. But an interesting thing has cropped up - I find I had time
> > enough
> > for a quick listen on my study set up which is the only set up that I
> > now
> > have a DVD-A player (Pioneer 565a) as I have for the moment
> > de-commissioned
> > my Denon as for my reference system as I prefer my "tuned" HTPC.
> > The interesting thing is that the DVD-A didn't half try hard to mask the
> > evident smear, bordering on drop-outs on two of the tracks (we can guess
> > which these are) which on my study PC was almost unlistenable to me.
> > Now when I've listened on my reference system I will pass on my comments
> > to Grill, not that I haven't made a judgement already.
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Steven Sullivan <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> OK, but here's a tip: to better *approach* scientific proof, it's best
> >> for
> >> people NOT to post their guesses publicly until *after* everyone's
> >> answers
> >> are in, to ensure subjects' answers are independent, i.e., they aren't
> >> influenced by other subjects' answers.
> >> > Some of us may think or hear different. We'll see it from the replies,
> >> > although we won't be able to get a scientific proof here as I mentined
> >> > it iin another thread.
> >> > On febr. 1, 00:33, "Steven Sullivan" <ssu...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> >> Difficult? I thought the differences between lossy and lossles,
> >> between
> >> >> standard rez and high, were supposed to be obvious?
> >> >> > I can add/change/omit tracks or give more info if the test proves
> >> to
> >> >> > be too difficult. We are not in a hurry so take your listening
> >> time. I
> >> >> > may invite the best assessor for a bottle of Hungarian wine during
> >> his
> >> >> > next visit to Budapest :-)
> >> >> > On jan. 31, 22:20, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Too bad there's not an ac3 (dolby digital) track also, that's
> >> where
> >> >> >> you see a huge drop in quality.
> >> >> >> On Jan 31, 2:00 am, "Dave Cooper" <davecooper1...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Oh good, an ambisonic test, oh sorry read it wrong lol
> >> >> >> > I'm offering you a WXYZ comparison test to check the audio
> >> >> >> evaluation
> >> >> >> > capability of your ears and mind. The hotlinked Hotfile link
> >> below
> >> >> >> > leads you to a DVD-audio disc image that contains four 5.1 24/96
> >> >> >> > tracks of the same audio material encoded as:
> >> >> >> > DTS-HD MAS 2.50.20 was used for DTS encoding and AudioMuxer with
> >> >> >> > ArcSoft DTS decoder was used for DTS decoding.
> >> >> >> > Your task is to determine the correct encoding order, at least
> >> to
> >> >> >> find
> >> >> >> > the original without using audio evaluating softwares. You can
> >> PM
> >> >> me
> >> >> >> > your guess and I'll send you the right answer back. Bravehearts
> >> can
> >> >> >> > reply publicly. Btw, I meant this to be a funny game so don't
> >> take
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> > too seriously (although there is no trick or scam in the testing
> >> >> >> > material).
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