SWMM-USERS Digest - 8 May 2008 to 12 May 2008 (#2008-86)
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1. Error message (2)
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:30:09 -0300
From: Stephanie Piers de Raveschoot <stephan...@EPFL.CH>
Subject: Error message
Dear SWMM-Users and designers,
I have set a simulation, and wish to get a profile of my system. However I
get an error message : "Index was outside the bounds of the array" What
does this mean ?
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:53:29 -0400
From: Robert E Dickinson <Robert.E....@US.MWHGLOBAL.COM>
Subject: Re: Error message
Stephanie,
The message simply means what it states; you are trying to plot a profile
link or node that has a missing index or data from the output file of SWMM
5. You should try to make a shorter profile to see if you can duplicate
the problem by plotting a similar profile. If you still have a problem
then I would suggest using the regular SWMM 5 GUI in SWMM 5.0.013
Best and Kind Regards,
Robert Edgar Dickinson
MWH Soft Inc.
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I have set a simulation, and wish to get a profile of my system. However I
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:26:30 -0400
From: Anna Howes <aho...@GRNLAND.COM>
Subject: storage units
I'm having some trouble defining my SWM ponds as storage units in SWMM. I
have depth-volume relationships for the ponds but not depth-area
relationships as required for storage units in SWMM. Does SWMM use the area
to calculate the corresponding SWM pond volume? In that case, is it
possible to bypass these calculations and input a depth-volume relationship
directly? Alternatively, can anyone tell me how the model calculates the
storage volume so that I can figure out how to back-calculate an appropriate
area?
Thanks
Anna Howes
Greenland Consulting Engineers
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:05:19 -0400
From: Robert E Dickinson <Robert.E....@US.MWHGLOBAL.COM>
Subject: Re: storage units
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Anne,
You do have to enter a depth area table in SWMM instead of a depth volume
table because volume is a derived quantity in SWMM 3,4,5 and not a
calculated variable in the SWMM solution. The depth at a node is based on
the storage equation or
dS/dt = (Inflow - Outflow)
where S is the Storage,
SWMM assumes that dS = A * dh
where A is the area of the node and dh is the change in node head. The
equation solved in SWMM is:
dh/dt = (Inflow - Outflow) / A
You need to change your depth vs volume table into a depth by area table
by calculating the incremental area increase for each depth in your table
and then summing the incremental areas so that you have a table of depth
versus increasing total area in the Storage Curve Editor.
Best and Kind Regards,
Robert Edgar Dickinson
MWH Soft Inc.
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I'm having some trouble defining my SWM ponds as storage units in SWMM. I
have depth-volume relationships for the ponds but not depth-area
relationships as required for storage units in SWMM. Does SWMM use the
area
to calculate the corresponding SWM pond volume? In that case, is it
possible to bypass these calculations and input a depth-volume
relationship
directly? Alternatively, can anyone tell me how the model calculates the
storage volume so that I can figure out how to back-calculate an
appropriate
area?
Thanks
Anna Howes
Greenland Consulting Engineers
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Anne,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">You do have to enter a depth area table
in SWMM instead of a depth volume table because volume is a derived quantity
in SWMM 3,4,5 and not a calculated variable in the SWMM solution. The
depth at a node is based on the storage equation or </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><b>dS/dt = (Inflow - Outflow)</b></font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">where S is the Storage,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">SWMM assumes that dS = A * dh</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">where A is the area of the node and
dh is the change in node head. The equation solved in SWMM is:</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><b>dh/dt = (Inflow - Outflow) / A</b></font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">You need to change your depth vs volume
table into a depth by area table by calculating the incremental area increase
for each depth in your table and then summing the incremental areas so
that you have a table of depth versus increasing total area
in the Storage Curve Editor.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Best and Kind Regards,<br>
Robert Edgar Dickinson<br>
MWH Soft Inc.</font>
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<br><font size=2><tt>I'm having some trouble defining my SWM ponds as storage
units in SWMM. I<br>
have depth-volume relationships for the ponds but not depth-area<br>
relationships as required for storage units in SWMM. Does SWMM use
the area<br>
to calculate the corresponding SWM pond volume? In that case, is
it<br>
possible to bypass these calculations and input a depth-volume relationship<br>
directly? Alternatively, can anyone tell me how the model calculates
the<br>
storage volume so that I can figure out how to back-calculate an appropriate<br>
area?<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Anna Howes<br>
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Greenland Consulting Engineers<br>
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