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1. SWMM5 (or PCSWMM.NET) timeseries or interface files

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:51:50 -0400
From: William James <bi...@COMPUTATIONALHYDRAULICS.COM>
Subject: Re: SWMM5 (or PCSWMM.NET) timeseries or interface files

Derek: Further to Bob's post, the scenario manager in version 2.07.253
(April 09th, 2008) or later will manage your time series files conveniently;
for large TS, version 2.10.290 (May 30th, 2008) allows scenarios to run in
parallel on dual, quad or networked machines. - Bill James

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From: SWMM-USERS [mailto:SWMM-...@listserv.uoguelph.ca] On Behalf Of
Robert E Dickinson
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:37 PM
To: SWMM-...@listserv.uoguelph.ca
Subject: Re: [SWMM-USERS] SWMM5 (or PCSWMM.NET) timeseries or interface
files

Derek,

One way to do this is to use the SWMM 4 converter and embed your SWMM 4 K3
lines into the SWMM 5 dataset and then use the OUTFLOWS file to save the
User Inflow Time Series. I am attaching an example input file that shows
how to use the a skeleton network and save the OUTFLOWS file. The Skeleton
network is just a bunch of nodes that take the User Inflow Time Series and
make a OUTFLOWS file flows. After you have the OUTFLOWS file you can then
use the OUTFLOWS file as an INFLOWS file in your main file as a substitute
for the User Inflow Time Series. The inflows to your model will come in
from the INFLOWS fie and they will be a duplicate of the K3 lines .

This works but you need to do some text editing to make the skeleton network
and all of the necessary outfalls.


[TITLE]

[OPTIONS]
FLOW_UNITS CFS
INFILTRATION HORTON
FLOW_ROUTING DYNWAVE
START_DATE 02/22/2002
START_TIME 00:00:00
REPORT_START_DATE 02/22/2002
REPORT_START_TIME 00:00:00
END_DATE 02/22/2002
END_TIME 06:00:00
SWEEP_START 01/01
SWEEP_END 12/31
DRY_DAYS 0
REPORT_STEP 00:01:40
WET_STEP 00:15:00
DRY_STEP 01:00:00
ROUTING_STEP 0:00:30
ALLOW_PONDING NO
INERTIAL_DAMPING NONE
VARIABLE_STEP 0.75
LENGTHENING_STEP 30
MIN_SURFAREA 10
NORMAL_FLOW_LIMITED SLOPE
SKIP_STEADY_STATE NO
IGNORE_RAINFALL NO
FORCE_MAIN_EQUATION H-W
LINK_OFFSETS DEPTH

[FILES]
SAVE OUTFLOWS "D:\swmm_crada_files\outflows.TXT"

[EVAPORATION]
;;Type Parameters
;;---------- ----------
CONSTANT 0.1

[OUTFALLS]
;; Invert Outfall Stage/Table Tide
;;Name Elev. Type Time Series Gate
;;-------------- ---------- ---------- ---------------- ----
82309 112.30 FREE NO
;JUNCTION DATA
80408 124.60 FREE NO
81009 128.20 FREE NO

[INFLOWS]
;; Param Units
Scale Baseline
;;Node Parameter Time Series Type Factor
Factor Value
;;-------------- ---------------- ---------------- -------- --------
-------- --------
82309 FLOW INFLOW@82309 FLOW 1.0 1.0

80408 FLOW INFLOW@80408 FLOW 1.0 1.0

81009 FLOW INFLOW@81009 FLOW 1.0 1.0


[TIMESERIES]
;;Name Date Time Value
;;-------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 00:00 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 00:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 00:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 00:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 00:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 00:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 00:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 01:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 01:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 01:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 01:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 01:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 01:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 02:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 03:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 03:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 03:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 03:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 03:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 03:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 04:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 04:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 04:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 04:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 04:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 04:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 05:00 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 05:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 05:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 05:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 05:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 05:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 05:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 06:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 06:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 06:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 06:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 06:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 06:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 07:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 07:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 07:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 07:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 07:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 07:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 08:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 08:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 08:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 08:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 08:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 08:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 09:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 09:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 09:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 09:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 02/22/2002 09:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflow 09:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflow 10:00 0.00000

INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 00:00 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 00:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 00:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 00:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 00:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 00:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 00:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 01:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 01:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 01:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 01:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 01:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 01:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 02:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 03:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 03:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 03:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 03:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 03:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 03:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 04:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 04:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 04:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 04:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 04:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 04:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 05:00 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 05:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 05:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 05:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 05:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 05:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 05:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 06:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 06:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 06:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 06:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 06:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 06:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 07:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 07:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 07:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 07:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 07:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 07:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 08:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 08:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 08:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 08:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 08:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 08:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 09:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 09:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 09:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 09:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 02/22/2002 09:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 09:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowa 10:00 0.00000

INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 00:00 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 00:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 00:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 00:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 00:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 00:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 00:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 01:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 01:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 01:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 01:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 01:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 01:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 02:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 03:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 03:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 03:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 03:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 03:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 03:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 04:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 04:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 04:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 04:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 04:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 04:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 05:00 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 05:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 05:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 05:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 05:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 05:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 05:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 06:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 06:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 06:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 06:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 06:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 06:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 07:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 07:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 07:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 07:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 07:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 07:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 08:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 08:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 08:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 08:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 08:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 08:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 09:06 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 09:07 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 09:07 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 09:36 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 02/22/2002 09:37 10.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 09:37 0.00000
INFLOWatInflowb 10:00 0.00000

INFLOW@82309 02/22/2002 00:00 0.00000
INFLOW@82309 00:15 0
INFLOW@82309 03:00 40.00000
INFLOW@82309 03:15 0.00000
INFLOW@82309 12:00 0.00000

INFLOW@80408 02/22/2002 00:00 0.00000
INFLOW@80408 00:15 0
INFLOW@80408 03:00 45.00000
INFLOW@80408 03:15 0.00000
INFLOW@80408 12:00 0.00000

INFLOW@81009 02/22/2002 00:00 0.00000
INFLOW@81009 00:15 0
INFLOW@81009 03:00 50.00000
INFLOW@81009 03:15 0.00000
INFLOW@81009 12:00 0.00000

[REPORT]
INPUT YES
CONTROLS NO

[TAGS]
Node 82309 82309
Node 80408 80408
Node 81009 81009

[MAP]
DIMENSIONS -1113.687 2165.261 10650.527 7792.630
Units None

[COORDINATES]
;;Node X-Coord Y-Coord
;;-------------- ------------------ ------------------
82309 4957.890 7536.840
80408 10115.790 7536.840
81009 9989.470 2421.050


On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Derek Stuart <DSt...@nhc-sea.com> wrote:

> I have a question about SWMM5 and the ability to read timeseries files
> as inflows to a conveyance system. We have some legacy models that we
> used with SWMM4 that we would like to convert for use in PCSWMM.NET /
SWMM5.
> The SWMM4 configurations used HSPF rather than SWMM RUNOFF for inflow
> boundary conditions to SWMM EXTRAN. The obvious implementation of
> this in PCSWMM.NET is to build and import a .DAT or .TSF file into the
> TimeSeries editor and assign each timeseries to the corresponding
> node. The hurdle I have is that these models typically have one to
> two hundred different inflow time-series for each scenario, depending
> on the number of sub-basins. If each of these is imported into a
> SWMM5 input file the file will be quite large and difficult to update.
> In SWMM4 (w/ PCSWMM2006) we avoided this long file (that would have
> occurred with K3 cards) by instead creating a RUNOFF interface file
> .inf and linking it to EXTRAN using the
> PCSWMM2006 object manager.
>
> My question is this. Do you know of a way to link a interface file or
> TSF, DAT timeseries files to SWMM5 as input flow timeseries? I have
> browsed the help file in "swmm5_iface.zip" that is available on the
> EPA web-page but at first glance a method for reading flows from
> interface files isn't particularly obvious.
>
> I've just posted a similar message to CHI but I thought that the
> message board might have additional insight.
>
> Regards,
>
> Derek Stuart, P.E.
> northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.
> 16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350
> Seattle, WA 98188-3418
> DSt...@nhc-sea.com
> http://www.nhcweb.com
> Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420
>
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Best and Kind Regards,
Robert Edgar Dickinson
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