Sara....

[spartan...@cs.com]

I was just kidding when I suggested that you not share this hoya with others on the forum!! LOL  Though, I don't believe I could ever cut a piece off the one you sent me.  I'm so happy that you put the cutting up for auction....I waited and waited for the end of the auction so that I could bid on it. You wouldn't believe my SHOCK when I opened the box from you and saw this GIANT cutting.  Once rooted, I know, beyond any doubt, that it'll be my #1 favorite...the picture on EBAY didn't do the plant any justice....it's waaaaay beyond belief.  Thank you a million times!! Patrick

[sara]

Oh Patrick, we all have a super sense of humor here! Seriously
though, I know you were kidding, and I know how thrilling the ultimate
hoya can be.

My local hoya collecting friend Helen and I joke occasionally about
not trusting each other to water our plants due to the risk of hoya
theft, and they say behind every joke lies a grain of truth! Ha. At
the same time we are stuck with each other because God forbid we let a
non collector near our plants when we need to go out of town. Ha.

Give it 4 years or so, and it will be easier to cut your hoya. I
truly love sharing with my hoya friends, I just wish that my indoor
growing could compete with the greenhouse growing rate, but then you
have to be careful what you wish for because with an insane growth
rate, I probably couldn't keep them all.

Welcome to the club - heeee! heeeee!

S

[treelover3]

I agree, Sara, about the greenhouse and having the plants grow too
well to be able to take care of them or have the space for them.

That said, I would like 300' of south, east and west floor-to-ceiling
windows on those sides of my house, though. (:o)

I have been painstakingly getting rid of "normal" houseplants to make
room for all of the new hoya acquisitions I've made recently. I still
have a long way to go and I have a few that I am having a hard time
parting with. I have a ponytail palm (Beaucarnea recurvata) that I've
had since 1984 and it's like one of my kids. The plant takes up a huge
amount of window space, however, so I need to figure out what to do
with it. My basement is unfinished and it's quite cool down there so I
may just put the plant in the basement for the winter and then put it
outside next summer to rejuvenate it. I do that with a number of other
plants like: Jatropha multifida, Bursera fagaroides, Brugmansia
'Ecuador Pink', and a few others.

I'm thinking that you should put your hoya IML 1410 into micro
propagation to make a couple hundred thousand plants and then you
could sell them to greenhouses all over the USA (after, of course,
offering those of us on the Stemma forum, a chance at one.) (:o)

Can I ask where you originally purchased IML 1410? Did you get it from
David Liddle? I've looked through all of his old lists and it does not
appear on any of them.
Thanks,
Mike in Mpls

[dmichael]

Greenhouse growing does have it's benefits, my hoyas grow all year
long and I do get flowers all year long where most folks
don't.Therefore I get the enjoyment of being able to go out there and
relax and work with them year round!!

BUT!!!! Sara as you and mike both mentioned it can be a problem as
well. The hoyas grow so fast in the gh that often times, I have to
just throw cuttings away. Yes I just pictured everyone's mouth
dropping open!!! For instance, this morning I went out and started
wrapping the wayward vines around their own trellises and baskets to
get them all back in check!! but when I came to hoya diversifolia it
had sprawled itself out so far from the pot that I just threw away
about 5 lbs (yes pounds) of cuttings.

Mike as for the polystachya IML 1410. It did come from David Liddle.
David maintains a working list of hoyas with 1,902 hoyas on it. A few
years ago he was kind enough to share that list with a few of us and
that's where some of us have been choosing what to order from him. I
haven't ordered anything from the general listing for at least 3 years
now. My entire orders have been of species chosen form that list.

I thought that Sara had attached a file containing that list to this
sites homepage,but i'm not 100% sure. I'll look and if not maybe I can
try to attach it if I can figure out how.

David

[treelover3]

Hi David,
OK, that explains it. I'll check the homepage and see if I can find
DL's list.
Thanks,
Mike

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[treelover3]

David,
I checked the homepage and didn't see a listing for DL other than the
past and present yearly listings. I'd be really interested in seeing
the listing of everything that DL had available. 1900 different hoyas?
I think I'm going to have a nervous breakdown. I cannot even fathom
that number of hoyas.

If the list could be posted, that would be great. It will give me some
reading material for this winter.

I'm sure there are all sorts of cuttings that you have to throw away
every year to keep some semblance of order in your greenhouses. It's
just too bad we all can't have that kind of problem! (:o)

Thanks,
Mike

[treelover3]

Sara,
How much light do you give IML 1410? Is it right next to a window or
is it back away from the windows a bit? Generally, plants with quite
large leaves have large leaves due to growing in fairly low light and
needing the larger leaf surface area for photosynthesis, so maybe this
plant can take lower light conditions without too many problems.
Actually, I think the sun must be stronger/brighter in Montana - must
be all that clean air - and that's why you can grow hoyas so far away
from your windows. (:o)

My white H. archboldiana that I had written about in another thread
lost its last leaf, but I have re-potted the plant and put it right
next to the west window in my living room. The plant was on the
backside of the table in that same window, but about 2' from the
window, and the plant is on its last legs. I am hoping the stronger
light will bring the plant back and it will start to put out new
leaves. Maybe I need to position mirrors out in my yard to reflect the
sunlight into my windows better? Hmm... there are possibilities
there... (:o)
Thanks,
Mike

[Clifford Miller]

> leaves. Maybe I need to position mirrors out in my yard to reflect the
> sunlight into my windows better? Hmm... there are possibilities
> there... (:o)

I know people that have done this, and it works to some extent. =) The
problem is that without a controller to track the sun, you only get the
reflections for part of the day, and the intensity can also burn your
plants to a crisp (and leave very noticeable faded streaks across your
furniture/decor if you're not careful!).

But fully automated active daylighting kind of makes me drool a little.

Like this -> http://www.cai-tech.com/Sunlight/SLD%20Tech%20Overview.htm

I spoke once to an engineer working with a system very similar to the one
pictured above that quoted me around $24,000 for a similar fully automated
system (with a much cheaper lens than what is pictured, and that was just
for the parts I'd need for my single story home to pipe enough light via
fiber-obtics to fully daylight ONE room in the basement).

I know the prices have come down some, but at the time I figured if it
would costs as much as the addition of a modest solarium, I'd take the sun
room!

To catch up with the posts I never replied to-- those collection photos
Sara and David posted were fantastic. I'm definitely going to try moving
some of my plants a little farther away from my windows to see how things
go. I had a decent sized kerii in a "dark" window for some time, but it
paled up and never bloomed, so I moved it back into a well-lit exposure.
Time to play species roulette?

Also, in reply to someone else's question regarding artificial lights,
I've had bella, lacunosa, and several types of carnosa cuttings in my dart
frog terrariums for a little test (over a month for the carnosa), and
they're all putting off massive amounts of roots (due to the humidity I
suppose?) and the carnosa cuttings are already sending off new growth.

They're all between 6-18" away from 128 watts of shop lights (two T8 $10
double bulb fixtures from home depot). I try to go natural/green where I
can, but the frogs stay in the poorly-lit basement so there's no chance of
overheating in the summer, so it was a great opportunity for some hobby
overlap.

Cliff

[dmichael]

Mike,
I'm gonna have to wait until Sara gets in from work and see if she can
post the file to that list I was speaking of. I tried to do it and
some how bumfumbled it up so bad that now I can't even open it from my
own files.When it comes to stuff like that i'm not the brightest
crayon in the box!!!!

[treelover3]

David,
OK, no problem. I'm not very tech savvy myself so chances are I would not even attempt something like that.
Thanks for trying, though.
Mike

[dmichael]

Mike the file that I told you about has now been loaded . It's titled
"David Liddle hoya stock 2008 pdf"

On Sep 23, 6:19 pm, treelover3 <treelov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> David,
> OK, no problem. I'm not very tech savvy myself so chances are I would not
> even attempt something like that.
> Thanks for trying, though.
> Mike
>

[treelover3]

Thanks, David; I downloaded the file to my computer and will print it
out when I have time. I'm going to put the info into an Excel
spreadsheet so I can get rid of extra blank lines so I don't use so
much paper. That will also make the list easier to search.
Thanks again,
Mike

[sara]

Hello David, Mike, all,

Sorry I missed your plea for help last night David, I am sitting here
with a 102 degree fever and totally feeling every bone in my body! I
swear that until they ache, you don't even know what your body is made
up of! I am sure I have aching bones, tendons etc. that I didn't even
know about. My hilarious family is chanting "swine flu", but
considering they had it first, and are now quite
fine..........However, kids do bounce back sooooo much faster than us
old folk!

David, glad you got the file to load, probably beyond my capabilities
today, as my eyeballs are at the boiling point - ha.

Mike, my polystachya is right smack in a south facing window, but my
windows have permanent outside awnings attached to the house.
Seriously would love to be mechanical enought to get those suckers
down. Remember, this is my favorite hoya ever, it it needed the entire
window, I am pretty sure that I would move things around to accomodate
it! Ha. Still I am glad that it doesn't. The leaves, I think, get
bigger on the side that is in front of the window, but I do turn the
plant regularly so it is pretty even growth all around.

S

[Nancy]

Hi Sara,

Sooo Sorry to hear you are not feeling well :o(
I hope you feel better soon...I know what its like to feel like
that...just the pits.
Please take care and get well soon,

Nancy

[treelover3]

Sara,
I hope you're feeling better, young lady! (see, you're not so old, I
called you "young lady"! (:o))

Thanks for the info on 1410. I have been searching for info on this
plant and found it listed in Carol Noel's hoya list. Carol had a small
one available, so my check is already in the mailbox waiting be be
picked up and delivered to her. I will need to do some major
rearranging of my plants once I receive the plant. I think you said it
was not an easy plant to maipulate (stiff/brittle vine?), so to put it
in a good sized pot so it can live there for a number of years. I need
to find a nice pot and sturdy trellis for it. I can hardly wait!!!
Mike
(just about crawling out of my skin with anticipation!)

[treelover3]

Oops... maipulate s/b manipulate.

Carol said 1410 was an extremely slow-growing plant. I think you said
the same thing, correct? Has your 1410 bloomed yet?
Hope you're feeling better!
Thanks,
Mike

[dmichael]

Sara, I can't take credit for attaching that file, Ann did it !! I
totally F'd it up when I tried to do it!!! It's better to leave things
like that to people who know what they're doing!!!

[Donna Florida]

Dear Sara,
Make those who gave you the 'SLIME FLU' take care of you. Stay down
and rest,you know what to do. Hope you are feeling better soon. Any
you get your energy back soon too.
Regards,
Donnafl

On Sep 24, 9:21 am, sara <got2g...@live.com> wrote:

[Donna Florida]

Sara. Sorry my fingers got tangled. Hope you get your energy back
quickly. A fever and all of that other horrible stuff can really make
you feel so weak.Or did you need me to tell you that.
Get well soon,

Donnafl

On Sep 24, 9:21 am, sara <got2g...@live.com> wrote:

[sara]

Good morning, and thank you everyone for all of the well wishes! I am
embarrassed for the whining I did on my part really. Ha. I feel much
better today, except for a residual sore throat and occasional cough.

Mike, glad to hear that you were able to find a source for your IML
1410, I don't blame you for being excited, I hope it does well for
you. Do please post a picture when you get it, I will be interested
in how different growing conditions affect the look of the leaves,
etc. Yes, it is a bit hard to work with the vines on that hoya once
they mature, and I have snapped many a new vine trying to force them
to grow the way I want around the trellis. I would have to agree
partly with it being a slow grower - I would say it is very slow to
start growing, but once it has made a pot full of roots and decides to
grow, it really takes off. I haven't seen flowers yet, but I tend to
cut the end of the vine when I make cuttings, so that could be why as
that is where the peduncles form.

Billy, there are a lot of hoyas that are in the polystachya, and
clandestina group. I have a hoya aff. clandestina IML 1590, aff.
polystachya IML 1410, polystachya 1043, and one purchased as
polystachya but was later changed on David Liddle's list to aff.
clandestina IML 0161. You asked if there were mislabeled hoyas, but I
would have to say that there are more name changes going on than
mislabeling I guess. However, as long as the hoya came with an IML #,
that will stay the same even though the name determination may
change. Clear as mud eh?

Sara

[treelover3]

Hi Sara,
Good morning and I'm glad to hear that you're feeling better! At least you don't have to worry about getting this version of the flu again! I've heard it said that we never get the same cold twice due to us building resistance to that particular strain of the cold virus, however, the cold virus keeps mutating and changing so it is impossible to be resistant to every cold virus out there. I think the same is true for the flu. (:o(

Thanks so much for the info. Yes, I will post a photo after I receive the plant from Carol. I also tried to get IML 1590, but she had given all of those to Joni so I will need to look on the SRQ site to see if Joni has any available.

I received the Hoya globulosa/H. villosa that I won on eBay (if anyone here was bidding against me, sorry! (:o)) and it is an incredible plant and this clone has beautiful wavy edges to the leaves. I had this plant years ago and that clone did not have the wavy edges. The backs of the leaves are just like velvet, also. I'm going out of town for the weekend and I am tempted to break a leaf off so I can rub the back of the leaf on the trip north, it's that soft! (:o) I think the veins in this clone are better than the previous clone I had, also. The last time I had this plant I could not get it to bloom and that's why I got rid of it. I think I just read that this is a cool growing plant so I'll have to play with temperature a bit to see if that makes any difference, once the plant is larger and could potentially bloom. I know that Ted Green says he cannot bloom this plant.

I hope you stay on the road to recovery, Sara, so you can enjoy the weekend!

Take care all, and have a good weekend!
Mike

[Billy Deville]

Thank you Sara, I have just begun with the hoyas in ernest and did not know all of this. I guess I have a lot to learn. Thank you, Billy

 

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[sara]

Mike, did you ever get your IML 1410 from Carol? I was interested in
seeing pictures of your plant for leaf comparison.

Cheers,
Sara

[treelover3]

Hi Sara,
No, not yet. I emailed Carol last week and she said the cleaning lady had hidden my check and order. Carol said she would send the plant out this Tuesday. Hopefully, it won't be too cold for the plant to be shipped now. I'll post a pic after I receive the plant. I've been a little under the weather lately, so hopefully I'll be back to normal by the time the plant gets here.
Take care,
Mike

[sara]

How frustrating Mike - I hear you about the weather. Our cold temps
hit early, and for the first time since I began collecting, I had a
mail order hoya freeze. We are back up into the 20's, but when we hit
lows of 6 - 9 degrees Thurs, Fri. and Sat. I am done risking having
hoyas come in. I would not be able to receive that plant had I
ordered it. I know that we can't control weather, but by Sept/Oct.
you have to hope that sellers will be really timely with their
shipping.

I hope you get it soon, and that all is well with your plant. I can't
wait to see pictures,

S

[treelover3]

Well, hopefully the plant will fly from HI to CA to MN, directly, and won't need to go by way of any of the rocky mountain states! I just won a hoya on eBay that will be shipped this week so I have my fingers crossed. After this, I'm done ordering for the year.
Mike

[sara]

Mike, did you get your hoya on Thurs? Our weather has been horribly
mild again, which is just so terribly tempting to order something, but
I know it is a temporary reprieve, so I am using my self control.
Temps in the high 50's low 60's - lovely.

S

[treelover3]

HI Sara,
Yes, I did get the hoyas on Thursday. I've been so busy that I have not had a chance to take a photo and post it. I'll see if I can do that today or tomorrow. The plant I received it nice, but the leaves are nowhere near as large as the leaves on your IML 1410. I need to repot the plant and put it on a trellis/hoop.
Mike