From: Philk <philakl...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:54:13 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 12:54 am
Subject: Re: agenda concept
Hi Christine, great to meet and read your good words. For the purposes
of the agenda, I think you're suggesting we add these topics to our agenda. I'll go ahead and work them in or consider this an appendix to the draft agenda: Additional agenda topics:
-Feedback -- how can/is feedback incorporated into MP? --model how
Some comments inline. This is a long post, so I think it's more
On May 9, 11:06 am, Christine <Christine.Eg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter, thanks for moving the introduction/conversation into this
I *think* that by feedback here, you are referring to feedback during
> forum. > Phil, really great to read your agenda and get a sense of how you’re
> A couple of thoughts on feedback, its purpose, and the challenges/
and post a microphilanthropic engagement or interaction, so that it's quality is tuned and trued by that feedback. I think the terms single and double-loop learning may be relevant here ( http://www.google.com/search?q=double-loop+learning ), addressing the need and scope of both the feedback question and feeding into learning. In the workshop, I think we should explore and try to model how feedback occurs in a MP context. I suspect there are meaningful MP actions that don't require sophisticated feedback. For example a single transaction interaction, indicated as completed, may be adequate in certain cases, and I think simplicity has advantages as well as limitations. > Feedback is very often messy and uncomfortable. It’s not fun to report
distinguish between our efforts and those that we want to help facilitate. IMO, part of the goal is to get out of the way as much as possible, to lighten the transactional burden on giving, and to consider that goal of facilitating learning would be a different one than facilitating MP. Yes, many or most MP projects will be better if there's learning going on, but that learning may occur in quite different domains as the giving does, while still being integrated in hearts and minds of all involved. IE: the communication network may occur on a different network level (ie: via skype or email) rather than through MP conduits. > I’d also like to include a conversation about the words we use when
I agree that the word "changemaker" is problematic. I prefer terms
> describing people’s approach to taking action. The word “changemaker” > is catchy and sounds good, but it implies that change is only > happening outside of the person-taking-action – that they’re static > and that their action or intervention is changing someone else. This > sets up an inside-outside relationship between philanthropist/giver/ > helper on one hand and beneficiary/receiver/charity case on the other > that I think is one of the sources of doing-harm-despite-good- > intentions. like agent or participant, volunteer, or using project roles. > This question of the impact of creating inside-outside relationships
The search/amplify role is played by making known, needed actions
> is key, I think, to whether or not we’re really coming up with > something fundamentally different when we say we’re looking to “search/ > amplify” rather than “plan/execute.” “Identifying a problem and > planning/executing its solution” and “identifying what’s working and > planning/executing its enhancement” don’t sound all that different to > me. A fundamental, paradigmatic shift in our approach to philanthropy > or development requires something else, and I think part of that > something else lies in where we make inside/outside, us/them, giver/ > receiver distinctions. available via existing media channels; hopefully using collaborative filtering (as in adwords and elsewhere) to link appropriate actions with related articles or web content. Basically, what I see us trying to do is to transform people's
Regarding inside/outside issues & distinctions, I completely agree
OTOH, we may not be able to control these aspects of what ends up in
The discipline I’m most familiar with,
> international development, has started to understand that a project’s
The Gentle Action concept makes sense to me: I'd say that giving that
> context plays a huge role in the impact it’s going to have (sounds > intuitive, but “context” is complex and often unmeasureable so there’s > been plenty of resistance to letting it into the equation of project- > design). And any time an initiative or project separates itself from > whatever it is that it wants to have an effect on – whenever it does > not see itself as residing inside the entire context that also > includes the intended audience/beneficiaries – it’s creating the very > dynamic that takes that opportunity to “amplify good that’s going on” > and puts it squarely in the camp of “planned/executed intervention.” > So the reason that I’m excited about encouraging feedback with ICT
> Some personal background to place a context around those ideas: a
> “I began to use the term, Gentle Action, several years ago to describe
> “As we have seen in this book, actions and reactions that proceed from
> “Microphilanthropy (also called P2P or peer-to-peer philanthropy)
is more aware of the dynamics between donor and recipient is likely to be smarter and I think agrees with my provisional, probably temporary, maybe quirky view of philanthropy, which is that, under the covers, it really is reciprocal. I don't care if the funders think they're doing all the giving -- they keep doing it for some benefit they receive, which is provided by grantees, and I know more that couple grantees who look down on their donors as much as donors can sometimes appear to look down on their grant recipients. I'm not saying there aren't funders who hold inordinate power and wield it at times wrongly -- imo they do. I think they have a warped or failing capacity for reciprocity. In any case I think P2P is more respectful than a foundation asking grantees to look upon them as a wealthy aunt. > “As Christine Egger puts it, “individually and collectively, these
> "The Internet provides a tremendous opportunity to reach across
> Looking forward to everyone's feedback :) on this and future writings
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