The need for frequent abortion. [URL]

W.T.S.

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http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk

This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/a887er9
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
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http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8
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http://tinyurl.com/ybmwsk4
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http://tinyurl.com/ayk7czf
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http://tinyurl.com/43hp62x

J

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Mar 25, 2013, 5:30:36 PM3/25/13

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
>http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>
>This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
>children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
>Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>>
>

It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
matter what stage of life it happens.

J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

Honesty. Decency. Integrity

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 25, 2013, 10:52:51 PM3/25/13

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In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2em...@4ax.com>,

J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
> >
> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
> >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
> >>
> >
>
>
> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
> matter what stage of life it happens.

Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
to kill that child.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 1:45:42 AM3/26/13

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Article o7g1l8hj48nnuq2em...@4ax.com Jerk...@Lies.biz

> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
> >

> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
> >
> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
> >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
> >>

> It's exactly what we want for all children. Murder is fun, especially
> after birth. Remember, life ends at birth! The futus can't suffer,
> but the child can, and we pro-liars want as much suffering as
> possible!
>
> Jerk Young
> Jerk...@Liar.biz
>
> Lies. Degeneracy. Bigotry. Hate.
>
Learn the truth about abortion, follow the links below:

>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271
>
http://tinyurl.com/anghyfr

http://tinyurl.com/b29z62n
>
As always, organized religion opposes progress -

See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?

Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.

"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of
love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned

alive with the genuinely kind intention of saving souls from the eternal
fire of hell." --- Karl Popper

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig

Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want
to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can

but does not want to, he is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then
he
is both powerless and wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.

"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth.
Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like

this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist. He is thus either
impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people

to do evil things, that takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." --- Blaise Pascal.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.

"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.

"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow

"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen

"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." -
Mark
Twain

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character
in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins

"Cult today, religion tomorrow."

The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org

thomas p.

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:26:55 AM3/26/13

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"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:hlwdjsd2-C8162D...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...

> In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2em...@4ax.com>,
> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>> >
>> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
>> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
>> >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
>> matter what stage of life it happens.
>
> Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
> to kill that child.

J, of course, makes an exception in the case of Jewish children slaughtered
by his friends the Nazis.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 3:33:50 AM3/26/13

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In article <51513fa8$0$56778$edfa...@dtext02.news.tele.dk>,
gud...@yahoo.com says...

> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:hlwdjsd2-C8162D...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...
> > In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2em...@4ax.com>,

> > J <Jerk...@Liar.biz> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
> >> >
> >> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> >> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
> >> >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
> >> >>

> >> It's exactly what we want for all children. Murder is murder, once
> >> birth occurs. But, we still want all children to suffer, it's why
> >> we became pro-liars! So, we want to pretend a fetus is a child
> >> when we know it isn't.

> >
> > Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
> > to kill that child.
>
> J, of course, makes an exception in the case of Jewish children slaughtered
> by his friends the Nazis.
>

For the truth about abortion, follow the links below:

>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271
>
http://tinyurl.com/anghyfr

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 8:35:41 AM3/26/13

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:52:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2em...@4ax.com>,
> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>> >
>> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
>> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
>> >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
>> matter what stage of life it happens.
>
>Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
>to kill that child.

Abortion Doctor Gosnell's Murder Trial Begins Today
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/21667680/abortion-doctor-gosnells-murder-trial-begins-today

MarkA

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Mar 26, 2013, 8:57:34 AM3/26/13

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:52:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2em...@4ax.com>,
> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>> >
>> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
>> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly
>> >the Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no matter
>> what stage of life it happens.
>
> Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile to
> kill that child.

Even worse: once a child is born, it inherits the Original Sin, and the
chance of going to Hell. I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child. But then,
logical consistency is not exactly their forte, is it?

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

alen

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Mar 26, 2013, 9:15:52 AM3/26/13

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On Mar 26, 1:52 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>

> > wrote:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>
> > >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> > >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
> > >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>
> > It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
> > matter what stage of life it happens.
>
> Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
> to kill that child.
>
> --
> JD
>
> "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

We know that as soon as an egg is fertilised
it will develop into a particular individual. We
don't know, scientifically, what 'life' really is,
or how matter is animated to move in a way
that causes us to call it 'alive'. Yet humans have
the pompous arrogance to declare, as if they
are competent to judge, that a fetus on one end
of the birth canal is not a child but, on the other
end, it magically becomes 'a child'. Nothing
but pompous arrogance!

Nations that have abortion laws will be punished
by the Eternal Father for such interfering arrogance.
He, Himself, has recently promised this.

Alen

alen

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Mar 26, 2013, 9:20:20 AM3/26/13

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On Mar 26, 11:57 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:52:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> > In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>,
> > J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:

>
> >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>
> >> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> >> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly
> >> >the Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>
> >> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no matter
> >> what stage of life it happens.
>
> > Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile to
> > kill that child.
>
> Even worse: once a child is born, it inherits the Original Sin, and the
> chance of going to Hell. I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
> "murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child. But then,
> logical consistency is not exactly their forte, is it?
>
> --
> MarkA
> Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
> About eight o'clock

A human being has no right or competence
to decide that a child is better off dying than
risking sending itself to Hell. Did you create
the planet earth, with all its creatures, and
design and create the human being? Of
course not. You are worse than a person blind
from birth making pompous pronouncements
about what the word 'colour' really means.

Alen

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 10:04:02 AM3/26/13

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In article <4g53l8l463484a2ls...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:52:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2em...@4ax.com>,

> > J <Jerk...@Lies.biz> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
> >> >
> >> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> >> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
> >> >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
> >> >>
> >> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
> >> matter what stage of life it happens.
> >
> >Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
> >to kill that child.
>
> Abortion Doctor Gosnell's Murder Trial Begins Today

So? That has nothing to do with anything. We have both the right and
the need to abort fetus filth, and that's what we're going to do. Stop
posting nonsense!
>
To learn the truth about abortion, follow the links below:

>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271
>
http://tinyurl.com/anghyfr

Dakota

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Mar 26, 2013, 11:14:35 AM3/26/13

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If Christians believer that life begins at conception, they must also
believe that spontaneously aborted embryos and fetuses end up being
tortured for eternity by their loving god.

�RLMeasures

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Mar 26, 2013, 12:58:06 PM3/26/13

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� Deep thinking is not the bailiwick of Christians D.

MarkA

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:00:06 PM3/26/13

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Every "child" dies, whether it be 9 months before they are born, or 99
years afterward. What REALLY COUNTS, according to every theist I have
ever spoken to, is what happens to you in the NEXT life.

So, explain why getting a guaranteed pass to Heaven is a bad thing for the
fetus? Or, would you rather claim that God sends aborted fetuses to Hell?

casey

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:10:53 PM3/26/13

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On Mar 27, 12:15 am, alen <al...@westserv.net.au> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 1:52 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>,
>
> > J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>
> > > >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> > > >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
> > > >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>
> > > It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
> > > matter what stage of life it happens.
>
> > Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
> > to kill that child.
>
> > --
> > JD
>
> > "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
>
> We know that as soon as an egg is fertilised
> it will develop into a particular individual. We
> don't know, scientifically, what 'life' really is,
> or how matter is animated to move in a way
> that causes us to call it 'alive'.

But we do know it is not a ghost in the machine that
is going to heaven when the body dies.

> Yet humans have
> the pompous arrogance to declare, as if they
> are competent to judge, that a fetus on one end
> of the birth canal is not a child but, on the other
> end, it magically becomes 'a child'. Nothing
> but pompous arrogance!

A single logic gate is not a computer and a single
cell is not a human being. You confuse the parts
with the whole.

> Nations that have abortion laws will be punished
> by the Eternal Father for such interfering arrogance.
> He, Himself, has recently promised this.

There is no evidence that any god exists or
has any interest in mankind. That is only in the
imagination of people who interpret everything
that happens as somehow due to a god taking
it out on them. I observe in the news all the time
where people are calling out to god to explain
why he caused an earthquake or thanking him
for saving them when they accidently avoid
an accident.

>
> Alen

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:46:58 PM3/26/13

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MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.

Do you think it is a "good" thing?
The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
child.

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:51:23 PM3/26/13

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Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
>If Christians believer that life begins at conception, they must also
>believe that spontaneously aborted embryos and fetuses end up being
>tortured for eternity by their loving god.

We believe that every life is precious to the Lord.
And an unborn child is innocent.
There is no doctrine or dogma that states that an unbaptised child
will go to Hell. This was a made-up belief to satisfy you whiners who
felt God was unjust with a decision that God hasn't even made.

elizabeth

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:51:59 PM3/26/13

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On Mar 26, 11:46 am, Patrick <pbarker...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
> >"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.

Get a womb and we'll talk.

> Do you think it is a "good" thing?
> The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
> child.

Too bad it isn't. Fetal demise is a common problem. Most zygotes
don't implant, and a huge % of embryos get flushed out naturally.

We can transplant uteruses, too bad men don't volunteer . . ..

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:52:36 PM3/26/13

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alen <al...@westserv.net.au> wrote:

>We know that as soon as an egg is fertilised
>it will develop into a particular individual. We
>don't know, scientifically, what 'life' really is,
>or how matter is animated to move in a way
>that causes us to call it 'alive'. Yet humans have
>the pompous arrogance to declare, as if they
>are competent to judge, that a fetus on one end
>of the birth canal is not a child but, on the other
>end, it magically becomes 'a child'. Nothing
>but pompous arrogance!

Excellent post.

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:53:24 PM3/26/13

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casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>There is no evidence that any god exists or
>has any interest in mankind.

<yawn>
same song.
Different dork.

MarkA

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:53:18 PM3/26/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:15:52 -0700, alen wrote:

> On Mar 26, 1:52�pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> �J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>>
>> > >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
>> > >children. �The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly
>> > >the Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>>
>> > It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
>> > matter what stage of life it happens.
>>
>> Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
>> to kill that child.
>>
>> --
>> JD
>>
>> "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
>
> We know that as soon as an egg is fertilised it will develop into a
> particular individual. We don't know, scientifically, what 'life' really
> is, or how matter is animated to move in a way that causes us to call it
> 'alive'. Yet humans have the pompous arrogance to declare, as if they are
> competent to judge, that a fetus on one end of the birth canal is not a
> child but, on the other end, it magically becomes 'a child'. Nothing but
> pompous arrogance!

No, it's called "language". We give names to things so we can communicate
with each other. A fetus is not a child, just as an acorn is not an oak
tree. In all of nature, the vast majority of fertilized eggs never even
get close to developing fully. More acorns will wind up as squirrel poop
than oak trees.

>
> Nations that have abortion laws will be punished by the Eternal Father
> for such interfering arrogance. He, Himself, has recently promised this.
>
> Alen

A remarkable statement, considering that God shows a great fondness for
the wholesale destruction of fertilized eggs before they mature. Are you
saying you know better than God? And you call US arrogant????

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:54:18 PM3/26/13

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In article <n6r3l8ls582rr8fog...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

There is no child in any womb, just fetus filth that can, and should, be
aborted. It is good to abort, it is sick and degenerate to give birth.
all women must abort their fetus filth before it can become child filth!
Remember, abortion is beautiful, a baby is an abomination. Please, in
the name of common decency, abort your fetus filth. The fetus just
needs to be torn apart and flushed down the toilet.
>
Learn the real truth about abortion, follow the links below:

>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271
>
http://tinyurl.com/anghyfr

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:56:20 PM3/26/13

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In article <n6r3l8ls582rr8fog...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

Remember, Patrick, there is no child in any womb, only a fetus filth.
Please, don't let fetus filth become child filth, abort today!

>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271
>
http://tinyurl.com/anghyfr

casey

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Mar 26, 2013, 2:57:28 PM3/26/13

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On Mar 27, 5:53 am, Patrick <pbarker...@woh.rr.com> wrote:

Have no evidence to prove it wrong so let's try and
make it seem wrong by denigrating the writer.

Rockinghorse Winner

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Mar 26, 2013, 4:01:04 PM3/26/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:53:18 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

That is an unfair comparison. An oak is a plant that has a phase as a
seed that has not germinated. Humans pass through no such phase.

Compare apple's with apples: claim that a joey in its pouch is not a
kangaroo, but becomes one every time it jumps out.

> >
> > Nations that have abortion laws will be punished by the Eternal
Father
> > for such interfering arrogance. He, Himself, has recently
promised this.
> >
> > Alen

> A remarkable statement, considering that God shows a great fondness
for
> the wholesale destruction of fertilized eggs before they mature.
Are you
> saying you know better than God? And you call US arrogant????

> --
> MarkA
> Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
> About eight o'clock

--
Terry

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 4:49:04 PM3/26/13

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In article <dbr3l8tha1d2av4eq...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

> Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >If Christians believer that life begins at conception, they must also
> >believe that spontaneously aborted embryos and fetuses end up being
> >tortured for eternity by their loving god.
>
> We believe that every life is precious to the Lord.

It may be precious to your false "God", but not to me! I've helped to
abort many a fetus filth and enjoyed it every time. Many more need to
be aborted.

> And an unborn child is innocent.

There is no such thing. No child is ever harmed in any abortion. Why
do you forced-birthers lie so very, very much?

> There is no doctrine or dogma that states that an unbaptised child
> will go to Hell.

Too bad there is no Hell. It's where fetus filth belongs for trying to
invade the lives of normal, decent adults.

> This was a made-up belief to satisfy you whiners who
> felt God was unjust with a decision that God hasn't even made.

There is no "God", just the Pope's sock puppet. Stop lying!
>
For the truth about abortion, follow the links below:

>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271
>
http://tinyurl.com/anghyfr

SkyEyes

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Mar 26, 2013, 4:53:12 PM3/26/13

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No, he hasn't. First off, you can't demonstrate using logical,
objective, verifiable evidence that *any* god *actually exists*.

Second, if the bible god actually exists, he's quite pro-abortion.
Read Numbers 5:11-27 for the prescription for giving a woman suspected
of infidelity an abortifacient drink.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 4:53:15 PM3/26/13

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In article <vhr3l8lh5ae0ve614...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

> alen <al...@westserv.net.au> wrote:
>
> >We know that as soon as an egg is fertilised
> >it will develop into a particular individual.

No, most likely "God" will abort it.

> >We
> >don't know, scientifically, what 'life' really is,
> >or how matter is animated to move in a way
> >that causes us to call it 'alive'. Yet humans have
> >the pompous arrogance to declare, as if they
> >are competent to judge, that a fetus on one end
> >of the birth canal is not a child but, on the other
> >end, it magically becomes 'a child'. Nothing
> >but pompous arrogance!
>

> Horse shit. Life doesn't begin until birth, never at conception.
What sort of sick, degenerate religious filth would say that a fetus is
some sort of baby, it isn't. It's just tissue that needs to be trimmed,
just like a hangnail.
>
To learn the truth about abortion, follow the links below:

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 4:57:17 PM3/26/13

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In article <pan.2013.03.26....@nowhere.invalid>,
nob...@nowhere.invalid says...

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:15:52 -0700, alen wrote:
>
> > On Mar 26, 1:52 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> J <Jerk...@Lies.biz> wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
> >>
> >> > >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> >> > >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly
> >> > >the Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
> >>
> >> > It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
> >> > matter what stage of life it happens.
> >>
> >> Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
> >> to kill that child.
> >>

> >> JD
> >>
> >> "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
> >
> > We know that as soon as an egg is fertilised it will develop into a
> > particular individual. We don't know, scientifically, what 'life' really
> > is, or how matter is animated to move in a way that causes us to call it
> > 'alive'. Yet humans have the pompous arrogance to declare, as if they are
> > competent to judge, that a fetus on one end of the birth canal is not a
> > child but, on the other end, it magically becomes 'a child'. Nothing but
> > pompous arrogance!
>
> No, it's called "language". We give names to things so we can communicate
> with each other. A fetus is not a child, just as an acorn is not an oak
> tree. In all of nature, the vast majority of fertilized eggs never even
> get close to developing fully. More acorns will wind up as squirrel poop
> than oak trees.
>
> > Nations that have abortion laws will be punished by the Eternal Father
> > for such interfering arrogance. He, Himself, has recently promised this.

Please inform your false "God" that He needs to give me a good blow job,
then go sit in a corner and eat shit.

> >
> > Alen
>
> A remarkable statement, considering that God shows a great fondness for
> the wholesale destruction of fertilized eggs before they mature. Are you
> saying you know better than God? And you call US arrogant????
>

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 5:00:31 PM3/26/13

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In article <5kr3l8dal5m8ciif4...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

> casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > There is no evidence that any god exists or
> > has any interest in mankind.
>
> <yawn>

> I already know that. But, it's a good con game and has kept my church
> in Clover for over 2,000 years.
>
For the truth about abortion, follow the links below:

MarkA

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Mar 26, 2013, 5:59:39 PM3/26/13

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Safer than Heaven? Are you serious? If you think that the womb ranks
above Heaven on the goodness scale, you have some serious "Mommy issues"
to work through! But, perhaps I am only stating the obvious?

Dakota

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Mar 26, 2013, 6:00:16 PM3/26/13

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On 3/26/2013 1:10 PM, casey wrote:
> On Mar 27, 12:15 am, alen <al...@westserv.net.au> wrote:
>> On Mar 26, 1:52 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>,
>>
>>> J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>>
>>>>> This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
>>>>> children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
>>>>> Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>>
>>>> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
>>>> matter what stage of life it happens.
>>
>>> Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
>>> to kill that child.
>>
>>> --
>>> JD
>>
>>> "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
>>
>> We know that as soon as an egg is fertilised
>> it will develop into a particular individual. We
>> don't know, scientifically, what 'life' really is,
>> or how matter is animated to move in a way
>> that causes us to call it 'alive'.
>

Nonsense. We don't know that a fertilized egg will develop into a
particular individual. The fertilized egg has a perilous existence
that is often very brief. It takes about a month for the egg to reach
the uterine lining and many fertilized eggs don't make it that far.
Once there, many fail to attach.

>
> But we do know it is not a ghost in the machine that
> is going to heaven when the body dies.
>
>
>> Yet humans have
>> the pompous arrogance to declare, as if they
>> are competent to judge, that a fetus on one end
>> of the birth canal is not a child but, on the other
>> end, it magically becomes 'a child'. Nothing
>> but pompous arrogance!
>
> A single logic gate is not a computer and a single
> cell is not a human being. You confuse the parts
> with the whole.
>
>
>> Nations that have abortion laws will be punished
>> by the Eternal Father for such interfering arrogance.
>> He, Himself, has recently promised this.
>

I didn't hear anything about a godly press conference. To whom did
your "Eternal Father" recently make this promise?

MarkA

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Mar 26, 2013, 6:01:39 PM3/26/13

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The inescapable conclusion of your own logic is that "unborn children"
who die will go directly to Heaven. So, again, why is aborting them a bad
thing?

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 6:24:10 PM3/26/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:01:39 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:51:23 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
>> Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If Christians believer that life begins at conception, they must also
>>>believe that spontaneously aborted embryos and fetuses end up being
>>>tortured for eternity by their loving god.
>>
>> We believe that every life is precious to the Lord. And an unborn child is
>> innocent.
>> There is no doctrine or dogma that states that an unbaptised child will go
>> to Hell. This was a made-up belief to satisfy you whiners who felt God
>> was unjust with a decision that God hasn't even made.
>
>The inescapable conclusion of your own logic is that "unborn children"
>who die will go directly to Heaven. So, again, why is aborting them a bad
>thing?

It is not a "Pick A" or "Pick B."
This is another of the fallacies that you whiners bring up.
God is SOOOOO much more than you will ever understand.
Stop trying to select decisions that He might or might not make.
You aren't equipped.

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 6:26:00 PM3/26/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:51:59 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth
<elizabet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 26, 11:46�am, Patrick <pbarker...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
>> >"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
>
>Get a womb and we'll talk.

If I did, this would be just another thing you would whine about.
You bitch because you have one.
You bitch that you should be responsible for what goes on in it.
It must suck to be you.

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 6:28:00 PM3/26/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:59:39 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:46:58 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
>> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
>>>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
>>
>> Do you think it is a "good" thing?
>> The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
>> child.
>
>Safer than Heaven?

Do you know where heaven is?
Are you now claiming you are an expert on heaven?
WOW.

>Are you serious? If you think that the womb ranks
>above Heaven on the goodness scale, you have some serious "Mommy issues"
>to work through! But, perhaps I am only stating the obvious?

Tell me where heaven is -- within this universe of ours.
I am seriously interested.

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 6:30:11 PM3/26/13

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casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>There is no evidence that any god exists or
>has any interest in mankind. That is only in the
>imagination of people who interpret everything
>that happens as somehow due to a god taking
>it out on them. I observe in the news all the time
>where people are calling out to god to explain
>why he caused an earthquake or thanking him
>for saving them when they accidently avoid
>an accident.

And this bothers you.......how?

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 6:31:16 PM3/26/13

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Tell me that this IS a different whine by a different dork.

Jason

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Mar 26, 2013, 8:37:04 PM3/26/13

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In article <pan.2013.03.26....@nowhere.invalid>, MarkA

<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:46:58 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
> > MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
> >>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
> >
> > Do you think it is a "good" thing?
> > The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
> > child.
>
> Safer than Heaven? Are you serious? If you think that the womb ranks
> above Heaven on the goodness scale, you have some serious "Mommy issues"
> to work through! But, perhaps I am only stating the obvious?

Don't you believe the womb should be a safe place? yes or no

When abortion is legal, wombs become one of the most dangerous places in
the world.

Jason

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Mar 26, 2013, 8:38:52 PM3/26/13

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In article <3484l8ducg0prb8uk...@4ax.com>, Patrick

God knows but humans on the earth can only guess. My guess it that heaven
is located in another dimension.

Jason

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Mar 26, 2013, 8:40:34 PM3/26/13

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In article <pan.2013.03.26....@nowhere.invalid>, MarkA
<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:51:23 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
> > Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>If Christians believer that life begins at conception, they must also
> >>believe that spontaneously aborted embryos and fetuses end up being
> >>tortured for eternity by their loving god.
> >
> > We believe that every life is precious to the Lord. And an unborn child is
> > innocent.
> > There is no doctrine or dogma that states that an unbaptised child will go
> > to Hell. This was a made-up belief to satisfy you whiners who felt God
> > was unjust with a decision that God hasn't even made.
>
> The inescapable conclusion of your own logic is that "unborn children"
> who die will go directly to Heaven. So, again, why is aborting them a bad
> thing?

Because you are denying them the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness.

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 26, 2013, 7:56:28 PM3/26/13

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In article
<Jason-26031...@66-53-214-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Where in the Constitution is anyone promised that?

linuxgal

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Mar 26, 2013, 9:21:58 PM3/26/13

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Somewhere between Oz and Narnia I suppose.

--
Halftime at Circvs Maximvs, and the Lions lead the Christians 326-0

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 8:44:46 PM3/26/13

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Does something have to be in the constitution before you will give it
some credence?

Patrick

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Mar 26, 2013, 8:49:39 PM3/26/13

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SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>Read Numbers 5:11-27 for the prescription for giving a woman suspected
>of infidelity an abortifacient drink.

When was this written?
Who wrote it?
And isn't it a fact it was written for bitches like you who aren't
deemed fit to be mothers?

Message has been deleted

casey

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Mar 26, 2013, 9:43:50 PM3/26/13

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On Mar 27, 9:31 am, Patrick <pbarker...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:57:28 -0700 (PDT), casey
>

> <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >On Mar 27, 5:53 am, Patrick <pbarker...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >> casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> >There is no evidence that any god exists or
> >> >has any interest in mankind.
>
> >> <yawn>
> >> same song.
> >> Different dork.
>
> >Have no evidence to prove it wrong so let's try and
> >make it seem wrong by denigrating the writer.
>
> Tell me that this IS a different whine by a different dork.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Ad_hominem

Mitchell Holman

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Mar 26, 2013, 10:02:08 PM3/26/13

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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-2603131637040001@66-53-214-
207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Actually most abortions are caused by your god.

Google "spontaneous abortion" sometime.

Jason

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Mar 26, 2013, 11:35:41 PM3/26/13

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In article <XnsA18FD5ACA63E1...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

What about the millions of abortions that have been done by abortion doctors?

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 11:51:20 PM3/26/13

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In article <cs74l8p3f0b2irq9o...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

I think I'm a lot better equipped than the Pope's sock puppet. And my
decision, a fetus should be aborted, it's a sin not to abort fetus
filth.

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 11:53:11 PM3/26/13

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In article <Jason-26031...@66-53-214-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com says...

How stupid! It's like saying we're denying a hangnail its rights. It's
not a person, it's a clump of cells, just like a hangnail.

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 11:56:02 PM3/26/13

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In article <17g4l89opfu3usij8...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

In this case, it's like granting rights to a hangnail. A fetus simply
has no rights, but the woman has an obligation to abort the damned
thing.

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 11:57:43 PM3/26/13

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In article <0184l8dvt9eb224bv...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

Where do sick, degenerate religious leaders without wombs get to tell
women what to do with their wombs?

W.T.S.

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Mar 26, 2013, 11:59:05 PM3/26/13

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In article <3484l8ducg0prb8uk...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

Heaven is a lie. And the womb, it must be kept free of fetus filth.

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 12:03:06 AM3/27/13

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In article <oa84l8pbv72qp8c2d...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

The Pope uses his sock puppet to interfere with the decency of abortion.

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 12:04:28 AM3/27/13

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In article <dc84l81j17ben74s7...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

Pray to "God" all you want, Patrick. There's no "God" to hear you.

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 12:06:49 AM3/27/13

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In article <Jason-26031...@66-53-214-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com says...

> In article <pan.2013.03.26....@nowhere.invalid>, MarkA
> <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:46:58 -0400, Patrick wrote:
> >
> > > MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
> > >>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
> > >
> > > Do you think it is a "good" thing?
> > > The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
> > > child.
> >
> > Safer than Heaven? Are you serious? If you think that the womb ranks
> > above Heaven on the goodness scale, you have some serious "Mommy issues"
> > to work through! But, perhaps I am only stating the obvious?
>

> Don't you believe the womb should be a safe place? yes or no.
No. And, it isn't. Most fertilized eggs get flushed out naturally.

>
> When abortion is legal, wombs become one of the most dangerous places in
> the world.

Sounds real good to me. All fetus filth must be aborted.

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 12:09:00 AM3/27/13

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In article <qeg4l8hamqoehnpie...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

All women must be forced to take an abortive!!! It is the only natural,
decent, wholesome thing to do.

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 12:13:14 AM3/27/13

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In article <82af78f5-902d-4fba-888d-825da40f60f6
@vv8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, jgkj...@yahoo.com.au says...

In this case, Patrick, being Patrick, makes his arguments worthless by
simply being Patrick.

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 12:21:26 AM3/27/13

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In article <Jason-26031...@66-53-216-92.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com says...

Each of those abortions was a beautiful gift. Abortion Doctors are real
life Saints. Each abortion stopped fetus filth from becoming child
filth. What could be better than an abortion.

Dakota

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Mar 27, 2013, 1:01:39 AM3/27/13

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On 3/26/2013 5:01 PM, MarkA wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:51:23 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
>> Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If Christians believer that life begins at conception, they must also
>>> believe that spontaneously aborted embryos and fetuses end up being
>>> tortured for eternity by their loving god.
>>
>> We believe that every life is precious to the Lord. And an unborn child is
>> innocent.
>> There is no doctrine or dogma that states that an unbaptised child will go
>> to Hell. This was a made-up belief to satisfy you whiners who felt God
>> was unjust with a decision that God hasn't even made.
>
> The inescapable conclusion of your own logic is that "unborn children"
> who die will go directly to Heaven. So, again, why is aborting them a bad
> thing?
>

It's always amusing when Christians tell us about our "made-up
belief(s)". They don't see the irony.

thomas p.

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:34:06 AM3/27/13

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"alen" <al...@westserv.net.au> skrev i meddelelsen
news:52755c72-a495-458e...@ve4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>On Mar 26, 11:57 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:52:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> > In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>,
>> > J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>>
>> >> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
>> >> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly
>> >> >the Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>>
>> >> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
>> >> matter
>> >> what stage of life it happens.
>>
>> > Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
>> > to
>> > kill that child.
>>
>> Even worse: once a child is born, it inherits the Original Sin, and the
>> chance of going to Hell. I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
>> "murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child. But then,
>> logical consistency is not exactly their forte, is it?
>>
>> --
>> MarkA
>> Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
>> About eight o'clock
>
>A human being has no right or competence
>to decide that a child is better off dying than
>risking sending itself to Hell. Did you create
>the planet earth, with all its creatures, and
>design and create the human being? Of
>course not. You are worse than a person blind
>from birth making pompous pronouncements
>about what the word 'colour' really means.
>
>Alen
>
>
>

You, on the other hand, claim to know "The Truth", and will insult anyone
who points out you have absolutely no evidence for your incredibly pompous
pronouncement.

thomas p.

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"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> skrev i meddelelsen
news:pan.2013.03.26....@nowhere.invalid...

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:51:23 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
>> Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If Christians believer that life begins at conception, they must also
>>>believe that spontaneously aborted embryos and fetuses end up being
>>>tortured for eternity by their loving god.
>>
>> We believe that every life is precious to the Lord. And an unborn child
>> is
>> innocent.
>> There is no doctrine or dogma that states that an unbaptised child will
>> go
>> to Hell. This was a made-up belief to satisfy you whiners who felt God
>> was unjust with a decision that God hasn't even made.
>
> The inescapable conclusion of your own logic is that "unborn children"
> who die will go directly to Heaven. So, again, why is aborting them a bad
> thing?
>

> --
> MarkA
> Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
> About eight o'clock
>

On the other hand I do agree that the doctrine, taught by the early church
for centuries, that the unbaptized go to hell or (at the very least) cannot
go to heaven (remember Limbo folks?) was made up, just like all the other
doctrines.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

Mitchell Holman

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Mar 27, 2013, 8:26:39 AM3/27/13

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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-26031...@66-53-216-92.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Evasion noted.

If abortion is wrong why does your
god cause so many of them?

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 27, 2013, 8:53:37 AM3/27/13

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In article <Jason-26031...@66-53-216-92.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Pales next to the spontaneous abortions caused by your god.

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 27, 2013, 8:55:50 AM3/27/13

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In article <qeg4l8hamqoehnpie...@4ax.com>,

It's in the Bible, the book that you consider holy.

So who wrote Numbers? Was it God?

Are you actually trying to pretend that something in the OT is some kind
of modern forgery? Because that's what it sounds like.

I remember posting it a few weeks ago and you refused to even read it.
Do you really have to work that hard to avoid things you don't like in
your holy book?

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 27, 2013, 8:56:15 AM3/27/13

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In article <17g4l89opfu3usij8...@4ax.com>,

Before I give it legal credence in the US.

alen

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Mar 27, 2013, 9:50:42 AM3/27/13

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On Mar 27, 5:00 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 06:20:20 -0700, alen wrote:
> > On Mar 26, 11:57 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:52:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> > In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>, J
> >> > <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>
> >> >> >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> >> >> >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause,
> >> >> >particularly the Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>
> >> >> It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
> >> >> matter what stage of life it happens.
>
> >> > Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely
> >> > vile to kill that child.
>
> >> Even worse: once a child is born, it inherits the Original Sin, and the
> >> chance of going to Hell. I have yet to hear the religionists explain
> >> why "murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child. But
> >> then, logical consistency is not exactly their forte, is it?
>

> >> --
> >> MarkA
> >> Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before About eight
> >> o'clock
>

> > A human being has no right or competence to decide that a child is better
> > off dying than risking sending itself to Hell. Did you create the planet
> > earth, with all its creatures, and design and create the human being? Of
> > course not. You are worse than a person blind from birth making pompous
> > pronouncements about what the word 'colour' really means.
>
> > Alen
>

> Every "child" dies, whether it be 9 months before they are born, or 99
> years afterward. What REALLY COUNTS, according to every theist I have
> ever spoken to, is what happens to you in the NEXT life.
>
> So, explain why getting a guaranteed pass to Heaven is a bad thing for the
> fetus? Or, would you rather claim that God sends aborted fetuses to Hell?

>
> --
> MarkA
> Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
> About eight o'clock

My answer is already in my previous post, which
you can easily see if you read it properly.

Alen

alen

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Mar 27, 2013, 9:59:14 AM3/27/13

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On Mar 27, 5:34 pm, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "alen" <al...@westserv.net.au> skrev i meddelelsennews:52755c72-a495-458e...@ve4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

My purpose is not to insult but to wake people
up, if possible, to the danger they are in, so that
they can respond to it in time to ensure their own
safety.

Everyone on the planet will encounter evidence
directly from our creator in the not too distant
future in an unheard-of way. It will have a massive
impact on those who are unprepared, and some
will die of shock.

Alen

alen

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Mar 27, 2013, 10:10:48 AM3/27/13

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On Mar 27, 5:10 am, casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 12:15 am, alen <al...@westserv.net.au> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 1:52 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article <o7g1l8hj48nnuq2emujsvqgijb4olra...@4ax.com>,
>
> > > J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 05:00:22 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >http://tinyurl.com/aokeqpk
>
> > > > >This is the kind of suffering pro-liars and forced-birthers want for
> > > > >children. The suffering these anti-choice loons cause, particularly the
> > > > >Catholic Church, is unspeakable!
>
> > > > It's exactly what you want for all children. Murder is murder, no
> > > > matter what stage of life it happens.
>
> > > Yep, once a fetus is born, it is a child and it is most definitely vile
> > > to kill that child.
>

> > > --
> > > JD
>
> > > "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
>

> > We know that as soon as an egg is fertilised
> > it will develop into a particular individual. We
> > don't know, scientifically, what 'life' really is,
> > or how matter is animated to move in a way
> > that causes us to call it 'alive'.
>
> But we do know it is not a ghost in the machine that
> is going to heaven when the body dies.
>
> > Yet humans have
> > the pompous arrogance to declare, as if they
> > are competent to judge, that a fetus on one end
> > of the birth canal is not a child but, on the other
> > end, it magically becomes 'a child'. Nothing
> > but pompous arrogance!
>
> A single logic gate is not a computer and a single
> cell is not a human being. You confuse the parts
> with the whole.
>
> > Nations that have abortion laws will be punished
> > by the Eternal Father for such interfering arrogance.
> > He, Himself, has recently promised this.

>
> There is no evidence that any god exists or

> has any interest in mankind. That is only in the
> imagination of people who interpret everything
> that happens as somehow due to a god taking
> it out on them. I observe in the news all the time
> where people are calling out to god to explain
> why he caused an earthquake or thanking him
> for saving them when they accidently avoid
> an accident.
>

Yes, but future events are now being predicted.
The demise of Pope Benedict was predicted, and
devastation and chaos within the catholic church
is now being predicted. Also, the ascent into power
of the masonic 'one world' people is predicted, who
will destroy liberty and democracy and eventually
force people, under pain of death, to accept
microchips in their flesh, which will be able to
be activated in some way by remote transmissions
in order that a central authority can influence their
behaviour directly. These predictions are horrendous
for any freedom-loving person. Financial and other
chaos is being deliberately plotted in order to give
these people their opportunity to seize control.

If you insist that I am deluded, then you can, perhaps,
wait and see if these things begin to come to pass.

Alen

Patrick

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Mar 27, 2013, 10:28:27 AM3/27/13

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On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:55:50 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <qeg4l8hamqoehnpie...@4ax.com>,
> Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Read Numbers 5:11-27 for the prescription for giving a woman suspected
>> >of infidelity an abortifacient drink.
>>
>> When was this written?
>> Who wrote it?
>> And isn't it a fact it was written for bitches like you who aren't
>> deemed fit to be mothers?
>
>It's in the Bible, the book that you consider holy.

Yes, the book as a Whole is revered and considered sacred.

>So who wrote Numbers? Was it God?
>
>Are you actually trying to pretend that something in the OT is some kind
>of modern forgery? Because that's what it sounds like.

I am merely asking you who you think was the author of the Book of
Numbers in the Old Testament. Do you actually think that God sat down
and penned it? Of course it is not a forgery. It is an actual book.
I just want to know who you think wrote it...
If this is too tough for you, or if you can't think of a clever
response, then fine... I understand.

>I remember posting it a few weeks ago and you refused to even read it.
>Do you really have to work that hard to avoid things you don't like in
>your holy book?

Back to the holy book.
We have a difference in opinion about this holy book. You seem to
want to have me accept it as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth according to God almighty.

The Church does not have an "official" position on the literal
historicity of Bible stories. Whether they are not has no bearing on
whether the lesson they impart is true. Catholics are free to
understand them as literal or not. The Church only insists that the
Bible is inspired and inerrant and that what it teaches is the truth.

Numbers is considered more of a history book than a legislative tool
to judge others. I simply cannot understand why an atheist has it in
his mind otherwise. If you NEED to discuss this with a literalist,
find a fundy. But, don't look in the Catholic newsgroup.

-----------------

Do Catholics believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible?

## Two points - "literal" is liable to cause misunderstanding, because
it can mean either of two things:

1. The linguistic meaning of the text - Greek theos means "god", no
matter what the context; it never means "elephant" or "sun", for
example. In that sense, theos has "god" or "God" as its "literal
meaning"

2. Words can also be used in a transferred sense: Our Lord, Peter, the
other Apostles, & and Christians in general, are all called "stones"
or "rocks" in the NT.

But, does this mean Our Lord is a chunk of granite or limestone, for a
geologist to study ? Of course not. The word "rock" keeps its
dictionary meaning - but, "Be built up like living stones" is an
encouragement to Christians to have the sort of durability and
strength & firmness associated with rock and stone; it's a transferred
use of the word "stone"; because stones, obviously, are not living.

So the "dictionary meaning" of a word, is sometimes present only for
the sake of the transferred. "non-proper", meaning.

As for Noah: there are several flood-stories, and several possible
floods - it's not easy to match the Genesis flood to any one of them
as "the" Flood. The point of the story is more important than trying
to identify which one is meant; the point being, that God is faithful.
the Genesis story may well owe something to older stories of the same
sort - but it differs from them greatly, because it has one holy God,
as against their many rather changeable and non-ethical gods. (We
can't assume that the Biblical authors were interested in the stories
they wrote for the same reasons that we might be interested in them.)

None of the Bible is "just stories" - everything has a meaning; a lot
looks like mythology or make-believe, only because the Bible grew up
in a culture very different from our own.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=19520

Patrick

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Mar 27, 2013, 10:29:21 AM3/27/13

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Robert Parker <robpa...@gmail.com> wrote:

>When you produce objective proof that a "Eternal Father" exist and that
>this elusive ghost actually holds such a position, then I will perhaps
>change my position. Ha HA reality check I would never obey such a evil
>mother fuckers as your chicken shit God. I would rather spend eternity in
>torment, than a hour worshipping such evil.

Have a nice trip.

thomas p.

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Mar 27, 2013, 10:30:35 AM3/27/13

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"alen" <al...@westserv.net.au> skrev i meddelelsen

news:0a2acee7-aa0a-4fa6...@vh9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

And you claim once again, and even more clearly, and pompously to know "The
Truth", a truth unknown to the great majority of people on this planet; you
must be really special. Sorry, but there just is no rational reason to
believe your story and much to recommend rejecting it.

thomas p.

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Mar 27, 2013, 10:33:03 AM3/27/13

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"alen" <al...@westserv.net.au> skrev i meddelelsen

news:21ec7c0d-c2bc-4630...@h1g2000pbg.googlegroups.com...

In the meantime we will commit the deadly sin of rational thinking and
decide you are absurd.

Rockinghorse Winner

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Mar 27, 2013, 12:30:47 PM3/27/13

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On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:26:39 -0500, Mitchell Holman

God can't murder. Murder is restricted to humans. Animals BTW can't
murder either.

--
Terry

Rockinghorse Winner

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Mar 27, 2013, 12:33:08 PM3/27/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:38:52 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <3484l8ducg0prb8uk...@4ax.com>, Patrick
> <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:

> > On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:59:39 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>

> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:46:58 -0400, Patrick wrote:
> > >
> > >> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
> > >>>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
> > >>
> > >> Do you think it is a "good" thing?
> > >> The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the
developing
> > >> child.
> > >
> > >Safer than Heaven?
> >

> > Do you know where heaven is?
> > Are you now claiming you are an expert on heaven?
> > WOW.
> >
> >

> > >Are you serious? If you think that the womb ranks
> > >above Heaven on the goodness scale, you have some serious "Mommy
issues"
> > >to work through! But, perhaps I am only stating the obvious?
> >

> > Tell me where heaven is -- within this universe of ours.
> > I am seriously interested.

> God knows but humans on the earth can only guess. My guess it that
heaven
> is located in another dimension.

Heaven is not a place anywhere in the universe. It is a state of
being.

--
Terry

Patrick

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:22:00 PM3/27/13

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alen <al...@westserv.net.au> wrote:
>
>Yes, but future events are now being predicted.
>The demise of Pope Benedict was predicted, and
>devastation and chaos within the catholic church
>is now being predicted.

Who is doing all this predicting?

MarkA

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:26:10 PM3/27/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:37:04 -0800, Jason wrote:

> In article <pan.2013.03.26....@nowhere.invalid>, MarkA

> <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:46:58 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>>
>> > MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
>> >>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
>> >
>> > Do you think it is a "good" thing?
>> > The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
>> > child.
>>

>> Safer than Heaven? Are you serious? If you think that the womb ranks

>> above Heaven on the goodness scale, you have some serious "Mommy issues"
>> to work through! But, perhaps I am only stating the obvious?
>

> Don't you believe the womb should be a safe place? yes or no

A safe place for whom? The woman or the fetus?

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.

MarkA

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:30:54 PM3/27/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:28:00 -0400, Patrick wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:59:39 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>

> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:46:58 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
>>>>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
>>>
>>> Do you think it is a "good" thing?
>>> The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
>>> child.
>>
>>Safer than Heaven?
>

> Do you know where heaven is?
> Are you now claiming you are an expert on heaven?
> WOW.

How is the geographic location of Heaven relevant to the current
discussion? Furthermore, since I never claimed to be an "expert on
heaven", perhaps you could explain your concept of Heaven? I had always
thought it was the Christian version of Paradise, but, apparently, you
have other ideas. Let's hear them.

>
>
>>Are you serious? If you think that the womb ranks above Heaven on the
>>goodness scale, you have some serious "Mommy issues" to work through!
>>But, perhaps I am only stating the obvious?
>

> Tell me where heaven is -- within this universe of ours. I am seriously
> interested.

It is within the fevered imaginations of religionists the world over.
But, you already knew that.

MarkA

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:32:03 PM3/27/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:21:58 -0800, linuxgal wrote:

> Jason wrote:
>> In article <3484l8ducg0prb8uk...@4ax.com>, Patrick
>> <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>

>>> Tell me where heaven is -- within this universe of ours.
>>> I am seriously interested.
>>

>> God knows but humans on the earth can only guess. My guess it that heaven
>> is located in another dimension.
>

> Somewhere between Oz and Narnia I suppose.

I thought it was "third star from the left, and straight on till morning!"

MarkA

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:37:23 PM3/27/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:38:52 -0800, Jason wrote:

> In article <3484l8ducg0prb8uk...@4ax.com>, Patrick
> <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>

>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:59:39 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:46:58 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>> >
>> >> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
>> >>>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
>> >>
>> >> Do you think it is a "good" thing?
>> >> The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
>> >> child.
>> >
>> >Safer than Heaven?
>>
>> Do you know where heaven is?
>> Are you now claiming you are an expert on heaven?
>> WOW.
>>
>>

>> >Are you serious? If you think that the womb ranks
>> >above Heaven on the goodness scale, you have some serious "Mommy issues"
>> >to work through! But, perhaps I am only stating the obvious?
>>

>> Tell me where heaven is -- within this universe of ours.
>> I am seriously interested.
>
> God knows but humans on the earth can only guess. My guess it that heaven
> is located in another dimension.

Regardless of where Heaven is, you are evading the question of why sending
a fetus there is a Bad Thing. Jesus said (they say) that the path to
Heaven is narrow, and few will find it, but the way to destruction is wide
and easy. So, why the enthusiasm to let children be born, and potentially
lose their way? Do you give your kids matches and gasoline, and think
you're doing them a favor? Perhaps give them loaded guns to play with?
How about whiskey and car keys when they get to be teenagers?

MarkA

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:39:06 PM3/27/13

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Sadly, they can't use irony meters. Every time they try to buy one, all
they get is a smoldering lump of melted metal.

MarkA

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:45:19 PM3/27/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:24:10 -0400, Patrick wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:01:39 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>

> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:51:23 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>If Christians believer that life begins at conception, they must also
>>>>believe that spontaneously aborted embryos and fetuses end up being
>>>>tortured for eternity by their loving god.
>>>
>>> We believe that every life is precious to the Lord. And an unborn child is
>>> innocent.
>>> There is no doctrine or dogma that states that an unbaptised child will go
>>> to Hell. This was a made-up belief to satisfy you whiners who felt God
>>> was unjust with a decision that God hasn't even made.
>>
>>The inescapable conclusion of your own logic is that "unborn children"
>>who die will go directly to Heaven. So, again, why is aborting them a bad
>>thing?
>

> It is not a "Pick A" or "Pick B."
> This is another of the fallacies that you whiners bring up.
> God is SOOOOO much more than you will ever understand.
> Stop trying to select decisions that He might or might not make.
> You aren't equipped.

Gee, that's funny. I've read a few passages in the Bible where Jesus says
EXACTLY that it's a "Pick one or the other" situation. You know, like in
Matthew 25:31, when He talks about sorting the sheep from the goats. You
are calling the WORD OF GOD a "fallacy"??? Blaspheme much?

MarkA

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:53:18 PM3/27/13

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You'll have to be patient, because I am actually a drooling idiot who can
barely manage to operate a computer keyboard. Would you be kind enough to
lay out, explicitly, your explanation of why it is a Bad Thing for a fetus
to die before it has the chance to commit its first Mortal Sin, and lose
its "fast track to Heaven" status?

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 3:14:15 PM3/27/13

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In article <45e6l85ksj5i243a3...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

Everyone and anyone who can read a newspaper.

Patrick

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Mar 27, 2013, 7:27:46 PM3/27/13

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On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:30:54 -0400, MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid>

wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:28:00 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:59:39 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:46:58 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>>> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have yet to hear the religionists explain why
>>>>>"murdering a child in the womb" is a bad thing for the child.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think it is a "good" thing?
>>>> The womb should be the safest place in the universe for the developing
>>>> child.
>>>
>>>Safer than Heaven?
>>
>> Do you know where heaven is?
>> Are you now claiming you are an expert on heaven?
>> WOW.
>
>How is the geographic location of Heaven relevant to the current
>discussion?

I'm not the one who brought it up.

> Furthermore, since I never claimed to be an "expert on heaven",

OK then,
I thought maybe you were going to claim it since you started to
discuss the safety of a child there compared to a uterus.

> perhaps you could explain your concept of Heaven?

Yes, I could.

> I had always
>thought it was the Christian version of Paradise, but, apparently, you
>have other ideas. Let's hear them.

You have to ask nicely.

Some are of opinion that heaven is everywhere, as God is everywhere.
According to this view the blessed can move about freely in every part
of the universe, and still remain with God and see everywhere.
Everywhere, too, they remain with Christ (in His sacred Humanity) and
with the saints and the angels. For, according to the advocates of
this opinion, the spatial distances of this world must no longer
impede the mutual intercourse of blessed.

In general, however, theologians deem more appropriate that there
should be a special and glorious abode, in which the blessed have
their peculiar home and where they usually abide, even though they be
free to go about in this world. For the surroundings in the midst of
which the blessed have their dwelling must be in accordance with their
happy state; and the internal union of charity which joins them in
affection must find its outward expression in community of habitation.
At the end of the world, the earth together with the celestial bodies
will be gloriously transformed into a part of the dwelling-place of
the blessed (Revelation 21). Hence there seems to be no sufficient
reason for attributing a metaphorical sense to those numerous
utterances of the Bible which suggest a definite dwelling-place of the
blessed. Theologians, therefore, generally hold that the heaven of the
blessed is a special place with definite limits. Naturally, this place
is held to exist, not within the earth, but, in accordance with the
expressions of Scripture, without and beyond its limits. All further
details regarding its locality are quite uncertain.

The Church has decided nothing on this subject.
The Church has decided nothing on this subject.
The Church has decided nothing on this subject.
The Church has decided nothing on this subject.
The Church has decided nothing on this subject.

Heaven may be a place of eternal bliss.

Patrick

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Mar 27, 2013, 7:34:38 PM3/27/13

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MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:

>, Patrick wrote:

>>>The inescapable conclusion of your own logic is that "unborn children"
>>>who die will go directly to Heaven. So, again, why is aborting them a bad
>>>thing?
>>
>> It is not a "Pick A" or "Pick B."
>> This is another of the fallacies that you whiners bring up.
>> God is SOOOOO much more than you will ever understand.
>> Stop trying to select decisions that He might or might not make.
>> You aren't equipped.
>
>Gee, that's funny. I've read a few passages in the Bible where Jesus says
>EXACTLY that it's a "Pick one or the other" situation. You know, like in
>Matthew 25:31, when He talks about sorting the sheep from the goats. You
>are calling the WORD OF GOD a "fallacy"??? Blaspheme much?

How stupid are you?
You pick a passage in the bible and you interpret to mean what?

31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with
him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,

32 and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will
separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from
the goats.

33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
---------------

What does this have to do with you selecting which unborn babies
should live or die? Once everyone is DEAD, then God will select who
will go where. It has nothing to do with your decision to kill your
children.
God, you are stupid.

Patrick

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Mar 27, 2013, 7:37:37 PM3/27/13

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"thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>And you claim once again, and even more clearly, and pompously to know "The
>Truth", a truth unknown to the great majority of people on this planet;

The great majority of people on this planet believes in God.
Stop being stupid.

Patrick

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Mar 27, 2013, 7:41:11 PM3/27/13

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MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>You'll have to be patient, because I am actually a drooling idiot who can
>barely manage to operate a computer keyboard. Would you be kind enough to
>lay out, explicitly, your explanation of why it is a Bad Thing for a fetus
>to die before it has the chance to commit its first Mortal Sin, and lose
>its "fast track to Heaven" status?

Because all human life is precious.
I suppose you are also in favor of euthanasia...?

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Mar 28, 2013, 12:05:13 AM3/28/13

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MarkA wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:21:58 -0800, linuxgal wrote:
>
>> Jason wrote:
>>> In article <3484l8ducg0prb8uk...@4ax.com>, Patrick
>>> <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tell me where heaven is -- within this universe of ours.
>>>> I am seriously interested.
>>>
>>> God knows but humans on the earth can only guess. My guess it that heaven
>>> is located in another dimension.
>>
>> Somewhere between Oz and Narnia I suppose.
>
> I thought it was "third star from the left, and straight on till morning!"
>

Never, never.

--
Halftime at Circvs Maximvs, and the Lions lead the Christians 326-0

linuxgal

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Mar 28, 2013, 12:07:02 AM3/28/13

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MarkA wrote:
>
> A safe place for whom? The woman or the fetus?
>

Fetus. That's why men keep trying to get back in there.

%

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Mar 27, 2013, 11:21:00 PM3/27/13

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linuxgal wrote:
> MarkA wrote:
>>
>> A safe place for whom? The woman or the fetus?
>>
>
> Fetus. That's why men keep trying to get back in there.

and why women keep guiding the way

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 11:49:16 PM3/27/13

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In article <9i07l8pj05vjjhrtg...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

Yes, it's why mankind has so many self inflicted wounds.
> Stop being stupid.
I'm doing my part, I renounced religion a long time ago.

W.T.S.

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Mar 27, 2013, 11:51:56 PM3/27/13

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In article <4o07l8tt8ddu943ck...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...

> MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >You'll have to be patient, because I am actually a drooling idiot who can
> >barely manage to operate a computer keyboard. Would you be kind enough to
> >lay out, explicitly, your explanation of why it is a Bad Thing for a fetus
> >to die before it has the chance to commit its first Mortal Sin, and lose
> >its "fast track to Heaven" status?
>
> Because all human life is precious.

A fetus isn't human life, no baby is ever involved in any abortion.

> I suppose you are also in favor of euthanasia...?

Not if you're the one who is dying a slow, agonizing death without hope.

duke

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Mar 28, 2013, 8:54:30 AM3/28/13

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On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:53:18 -0400, MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:

>>> Every "child" dies, whether it be 9 months before they are born, or 99
>>> years afterward. What REALLY COUNTS, according to every theist I have
>>> ever spoken to, is what happens to you in the NEXT life.
>>>
>>> So, explain why getting a guaranteed pass to Heaven is a bad thing for the
>>> fetus? Or, would you rather claim that God sends aborted fetuses to Hell?

>> My answer is already in my previous post, which
>> you can easily see if you read it properly.
>> Alen

>You'll have to be patient, because I am actually a drooling idiot who can
>barely manage to operate a computer keyboard. Would you be kind enough to
>lay out, explicitly, your explanation of why it is a Bad Thing for a fetus
>to die before it has the chance to commit its first Mortal Sin, and lose
>its "fast track to Heaven" status?

It is conceived with an inherited guilt just like it is with 10 fingers and 10
toes physically. God advised that one can not enter the kingdom of God unless
baptized, which cleanses the soul of the inherited sin. Pity the poor
protest_ant babies that die and are never baptized because they parents believe
they must be old enough to "understand their bath in cleaning the soul".

The dukester, American - American

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alen

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Mar 28, 2013, 9:39:12 AM3/28/13

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See http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/messages/all-messages/

Alen

Moses

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Mar 28, 2013, 11:44:15 AM3/28/13

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On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:41:11 -0400, Patrick <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:

>
> Because all human life is precious.
> I suppose you are also in favor of euthanasia...?

If the person wants to die I'm all for it. Assisted suicide is a natural
right.

MarkA

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Mar 28, 2013, 12:06:25 PM3/28/13

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An interesting treatise; I thank you. However, I don't see how it is
relevant to the question of whether being in the womb is "safer" than
being in Heaven.