My Lai massacre 40 years later, Seymour Hersh interview

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

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This weekend marked the fortieth anniversary of the My Lai Massacre,
when US troops killed more than 500 men, women and children in
Vietnam. We speak with investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, who
won a Pulitzer Prize for exposing the killings and the cover-up.
[includes rush transcript]
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/17/1968_forty_years_later_my_lai
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Lessons:
-U.S. military culture of coverup...don't be a snitch.
-No one paid for their crimes...all off scott free.
-The military's job of protecting itself a success.
-It continues today as SOP

Good stuff...enjoy!
;-)

[Dan]

Give it a rest, you fraud. While Calley's 3.5 years of house arrest
was an obscenely low penalty, he did not get off "scott free." I felt
then, and I feel now, the perpetrators should have paid with their lives.

Now let's see if are equally offended by the massacres committed by
ROK, VC and ARVN troops in South Viet Nam. Perhaps the thousands of
civilians murdered by the VC during Tet Offensive, most notably at Hue,
don't offend you.

I am not attempting to use "they did it too" as an excuse for My Lai.
However, your anti U.S. stance is well known and I want to give you
the opportunity to be fair for a change.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[SolomonW]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:33:06 -0500, Dan wrote:

> Now let's see if are equally offended by the massacres committed by
> ROK, VC and ARVN troops in South Viet Nam. Perhaps the thousands of
> civilians murdered by the VC during Tet Offensive, most notably at Hue,
> don't offend you.

Well he did not say much on the recent anniversary of the Hue Massacre
during which Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Army killed thousands of
civilians and prisoners of war. Many were buried alive.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Dan wrote:
> On 3/20/2012 8:09 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> This weekend marked the fortieth anniversary of the My Lai Massacre,
>> when US troops killed more than 500 men, women and children in
>> Vietnam. We speak with investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, who
>> won a Pulitzer Prize for exposing the killings and the cover-up.
>> [includes rush transcript]
>> http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/17/1968_forty_years_later_my_lai
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> Lessons:
>> -U.S. military culture of coverup...don't be a snitch.
>> -No one paid for their crimes...all off scott free.
>> -The military's job of protecting itself a success.
>> -It continues today as SOP
>>
>> Good stuff...enjoy!
>> ;-)
>
>

> Now let's see if are equally offended by the massacres committed by
> ROK, VC and ARVN troops in South Viet Nam.

Son, I deplore *every* war in the last hundred years as unnecessary and avoidable.

And no, it is far far worse when the U.S. military massacres. (I doubt
that you have the brains to figure out why.)

> I am not attempting to use "they did it too" as an excuse

Yes, you are, son.

> Dan, U.S. Air Force, Coward...annoymous, big mouth

Yep.
;-)

[Ray O'Hara]

"Dan" <B24...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:rfOdnbnNjcyF9fTS...@giganews.com...

What was obscene is the ranking officer on the scene, Captain Ernest Medina,
who many there testified was screaming "Kill them all".
was let go scott free.

Calley was just the fall guy.

[Dan]

Calley was a murderer who brought disgrace to the U.S. military and
and his country. He, Medina and the other perpetrators should have been
hanged.

[Ray O'Hara]

"Dan" <B24...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:-OudnR3v1aHDl_fS...@giganews.com...

Medina was the senior officer on the scene and he was giving the orders.
Calley was just the scapegoat.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Ray O'Hara wrote:
> "Dan" <B24...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:-OudnR3v1aHDl_fS...@giganews.com...
>
>>On 3/21/2012 9:28 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>
>>>"Dan"<B24...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:rfOdnbnNjcyF9fTS...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>On 3/20/2012 8:09 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>------------------------------------------
>>>>>This weekend marked the fortieth anniversary of the My Lai Massacre,
>>>>>when US troops killed more than 500 men, women and children in
>>>>>Vietnam. We speak with investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, who
>>>>>won a Pulitzer Prize for exposing the killings and the cover-up.
>>>>>[includes rush transcript]
>>>>>http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/17/1968_forty_years_later_my_lai
>>>>>------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Lessons:
>>>>>-U.S. military culture of coverup...don't be a snitch.
>>>>>-No one paid for their crimes...all off scott free.
>>>>>-The military's job of protecting itself a success.
>>>>>-It continues today as SOP
>>>>>
>>>>>Good stuff...enjoy!
>>>>>;-)
>>>>

>>>> While Calley's 3.5 years of house arrest
>>>>was
>>>>an obscenely low penalty, he did not get off "scott free."
>>>>

>>>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, Coward...annoymous, big mouth
>>>
>>>

>>>What was obscene is the ranking officer on the scene, Captain Ernest
>>>Medina,
>>>who many there testified was screaming "Kill them all".
>>>was let go scott free.
>>>
>>>Calley was just the fall guy.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Calley was a murderer who brought disgrace to the U.S. military and and
>>his country. He, Medina and the other perpetrators should have been
>>hanged.
>>

>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, Coward...annoymous, big mouth

>
>
> Medina was the senior officer on the scene and he was giving the orders.
> Calley was just the scapegoat.

Both you blockheads failed. The biggest crime was the entrenched culture
of coverup which allowed U.S. atrocities to continue...50 officers including
a general and 2 chaplains involved in coverup.

It was an extraordinary set of circumstances which brought the My Lai
mass executions to public attention nearly 2 years later.

[Dan]

I agree as far as that goes, but where is your outrage over the
massacres committed by ROF, VC and ARVN forces? You have persistently
bashed the U.S. now let's see if you can be fair and condemn the others.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

>>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, Coward...anonymous, big mouth

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Medina was the senior officer on the scene and he was giving the orders.
>>> Calley was just the scapegoat.
>>
>>
>> Both you blockheads failed. The biggest crime was the entrenched culture
>> of coverup which allowed U.S. atrocities to continue...50 officers
>> including
>> a general and 2 chaplains involved in coverup.
>>
>> It was an extraordinary set of circumstances which brought the My Lai
>> mass executions to public attention nearly 2 years later.
>
>

> where is your outrage over the
> massacres committed by ROF, VC and ARVN forces? You have persistently
> bashed the U.S. now let's see if you can be fair and condemn the others.

Son, as I have repeatedly told you, I deplore every war in the last
100 years as being both unnecessary and avoidable.

I deplore all killings and all massacres and all atrocities as both
unnecessary and avoidable. What part don't you understand, son?

However, I hold, as should all Americans, the U.S. military to a
far higher standard than other country's militaries. Son, do you
have a clue why we should? No, I thought not.

...so you use the "they did it too" excuse.

> Dan, U.S. Air Force, Coward...anonymous, big mouth

Yup.
;-)

[Bill]

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:

> Son, as I have repeatedly told you, I deplore every war in the last
> 100 years as being both unnecessary and avoidable.
>

And I keep asking about 'Hitler's War', but never seem to get a
satisfactory answer.


--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat single
handed with a quarterstaff.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Bill wrote:

> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>
>>Son, as I have repeatedly told you, I deplore every war in the last
>>100 years as being both unnecessary and avoidable.
>>
>
>
> And I keep asking about 'Hitler's War', but never seem to get a
> satisfactory answer.

Would it be because you are dim witted?

WW2 was unnecessary and avoidable. There comes a point for every
war (e.g. when the bullets start flying) when it is too late. So
if you want to start from an arbitrarily late time (1933? 34? 35?) then
you will get to say "it was unavoidable".

But the *fact* remains that WW2 was unnecessary and avoidable.
;-)

[Bill]

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:

> Bill wrote:
>
>> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Son, as I have repeatedly told you, I deplore every war in the last
>>>100 years as being both unnecessary and avoidable.
>>>
>>
>>
>> And I keep asking about 'Hitler's War', but never seem to get a
>> satisfactory answer.
>
> Would it be because you are dim witted?
>
> WW2 was unnecessary and avoidable. There comes a point for every
> war (e.g. when the bullets start flying) when it is too late. So
> if you want to start from an arbitrarily late time (1933? 34? 35?) then
> you will get to say "it was unavoidable".

You tell me how to avoid it.

[Daryl]

One, if I were your Son, I would have euthanized you long ago.

I suppose that WWII was unavoidable. Not in any or your
lifetimes. Yes, it could have been avoided by not having WWI.
It could have been avoided had Hitler and his cronies not been
born. It could have been avoided had the Japanese brought in
Democracy instead of Imperialism. Since none of the happened,
WWII was completely unavoidable. To think otherwise is just silly.

>
> I deplore all killings and all massacres and all atrocities as both
> unnecessary and avoidable. What part don't you understand, son?

I deplore murder. Murder is when it's done without forethought
and for evil gains. When an entire country is committing murder
then the other countries will have to settle their bacon when it
overflows over it's borders. Iraq flowed into Kuwait, Germany
flowed into many other countries, etc..

>
> However, I hold, as should all Americans, the U.S. military to a
> far higher standard than other country's militaries. Son, do you
> have a clue why we should? No, I thought not.

And we do. Not too many Pakastanis or Afganis military are going
to be tried and convicted of attrocities. Not too many of
Saddams troops were held accountable by Saddam and his ilk for
theirs. NONE of the German or Japanese were held accountable by
Hitler. It took other countries to hold them accountable.

>
> ...so you use the "they did it too" excuse.

It's the level of attrocities that count here. The US is trying
and convicting our military criminals. The other side has
parties and shoots in the air chanting "Death to America and the
Jews".

>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, Coward...anonymous, big mouth
>
> Yup.
> ;-)

Nope.


--
http://tvmoviesforfree.com
for free movies and Nostalgic TV. Tons of Military shows and
programs.

[Daryl]

Okay, bright boy, exactly how could Britain and the US avoid it?

[Dean]

On Mar 22, 12:24 am, Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com> wrote:
> On 3/21/2012 7:01 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bill wrote:
>
> >> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >>> Son, as I have repeatedly told you, I deplore every war in the
> >>> last
> >>> 100 years as being both unnecessary and avoidable.
>
> >> And I keep asking about 'Hitler's War', but never seem to get a
> >> satisfactory answer.
>
> > Would it be because you are dim witted?
>
> > WW2 was unnecessary and avoidable. There comes a point for every
> > war (e.g. when the bullets start flying) when it is too late. So
> > if you want to start from an arbitrarily late time (1933? 34?
> > 35?) then
> > you will get to say "it was unavoidable".
>
> > But the *fact* remains that WW2 was unnecessary and avoidable.
> > ;-)
>
> Okay, bright boy, exactly how could Britain and the US avoid it?
>

> --http://tvmoviesforfree.com

> for free movies and Nostalgic TV.  Tons of Military shows and
> programs.

Sometimes you just have to stand your ground and fight. Surely
Vinnie, you know that. You seem like the kind kid who was pushed
around on the playground. Too bad you never stood up and pushed
back. Then you'd have more respect for the sacrifices made by western
armed forces.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Daryl wrote:
>
> I suppose that

Son, no one is talking to you. stfu and put me back in your killfile.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Bill wrote:

> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>
>>Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Son, as I have repeatedly told you, I deplore every war in the last
>>>>100 years as being both unnecessary and avoidable.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>And I keep asking about 'Hitler's War', but never seem to get a
>>>satisfactory answer.
>>
>>Would it be because you are dim witted?
>>
>>WW2 was unnecessary and avoidable. There comes a point for every
>>war (e.g. when the bullets start flying) when it is too late. So
>>if you want to start from an arbitrarily late time (1933? 34? 35?) then
>>you will get to say "it was unavoidable".
>
>
> You tell me how to avoid it.

Start with Versailles Treaty...probably the prime cause of WW2.

Are you so thick that you think the treaty was fair or cast in stone?
We could have, and should have, seen trouble coming.
;-)

[Daryl]

I would never put you in the KF, you are too entertaining.

And the last time I looked, I belonged in these discussion. Free
country that many of us paid the price and still pay the price to
allow YOU into these discussions.

[Dan]

While it was unfair, Versailles is just an excuse for Nazi
apologists. The Nazis didn't need to start that war or seize territories
before the war. The Poles never did limit transit through their
territory to Danzig before Nazi provocation.

Someone with a PhD in history as you have claimed would know this.

[Dean]

On Mar 22, 1:37 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>

Start with the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-1871. That seeded the root
cause of Germany's expansionist policies and ambitions. Hmm, I
thought you were the head of the department of history at your fantasy
school?

[David E. Powell]

Getting down to it, the Germans would have been better off trying to
ally with Poland. Poland was fearful of Stalin, who they were holding
in check from getting further west into Europe, and Germany could use
that buffer as well as an ally in the world.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Bill wrote:
> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>
>>Bill wrote:
>>
>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Son, as I have repeatedly told you, I deplore every war in the last
>>>>>>100 years as being both unnecessary and avoidable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And I keep asking about 'Hitler's War', but never seem to get a
>>>>>satisfactory answer.
>>>>
>>>>Would it be because you are dim witted?
>>>>
>>>>WW2 was unnecessary and avoidable. There comes a point for every
>>>>war (e.g. when the bullets start flying) when it is too late. So
>>>>if you want to start from an arbitrarily late time (1933? 34? 35?) then
>>>>you will get to say "it was unavoidable".
>>>
>>>
>>>You tell me how to avoid it.
>>

>>Start with Versailles Treaty...probably the prime cause of WW2.
>>
>>Are you so thick that you think the treaty was fair or cast in stone?
>>We could have, and should have, seen trouble coming.
>
>

> At the time it was seen as the best way forwards by the people involved.

Their "best way forwards" was to unreasonably punish Germany. Do you
understand that much, son?

After WW2 we had learned our lesson and did not seek ruthless
punishment reparations against Germany. Are you aware that we
had learned that lesson?

The Treaty of Versailles was the victors putting their boot on the
neck of a defeated foe. This is not hindsight...it was obvious in 1918.

...and Hitler rose to power on the Versailles injustices. Read a history book.

> Anyway, I'll try again, and this time please read the conditional clause:
> Assuming no clairvoyant supermen how could WWII have been avoided?

Son, there is nothing clairvoyant about being fair instead of ruthless
punishing. Versailles was not fair and we knew it.

Let me simplify it for your thick head...always (always!) be fair.

There it is, son...you asked me how and I have told you.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Dean wrote:
> On Mar 22, 1:37 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
>

> Start with

Son, what makes you think I seek discussion with you?...I don't
respect your intellectual ability. Try talking with Daryl, he seems
to want to talk to somebody. IMO, you two are intellectually compatible.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

David E. Powell wrote:

> Getting down to it, the Germans would have been better off trying to

Son, the discussion is not "How could Germany have fought better?", but
rather "How could WW2 have been avoided?".

We have at least 4 people with close relatives who served the Nazis, so
you might start a new thread with your subject. (the other 4 Nazi
folks are McCall,Griessel,Reiman,Arvand)
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Daryl wrote:
> On 3/22/2012 11:27 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I suppose that
>>
>>
>> Son, no one is talking to you. stfu and put me back in your
>> killfile.
>> ;-)
>
>
> I would never put you in the KF,

fine...then go ahead and read my posts, son...you might learn something
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

I reckon the notion that U.S. military should be held to a far higher
standard is something "Dan" has never thought about. The pathetic coward.
;-)

[Dean]

On Mar 23, 2:43 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:

Deflection, the first sign of a lost argument.

[Daryl]

I can also watch Stooges Movies and Clips. I am sure, using you
as a yardstick, that there might be lessons learned from that as
well.