You Bunch of Old Angry Vets
wkambic
<snipped>
> Also, in addition to being in the National Guard, I am an Army ROTC
> cadet. So I will one day be an officer within the military and get to
> spread this attitude to my troops. :-)
Well, my fine feathered friend, you may or may not be what you claim to be.
But if you are, and if someday you wear the butter bar, your attitude may
lead you to being introduced to a Vietnam era practice that obnoxious
leadersofmenwannabes sometimes learned about the hard way: fragging. Mind
you, I'm not advocating or suggesting this, simply pointing out that nobody
wants to get killed because some self centered jerk is more interested in
getting resume filler than making sure all his guys come home. Being in the
service of Uncle Sam is tough and dangerous; people like you make it
senseless.
Oh, and by the way, it won't be a PFC who does it. Extra Credit: Who will
it be?
Bill Kambic, CDR, USNR(RET)
Anonymous
the majority, they are called trolls and are reported for their "abuse".
All I did was express my opinion about the whining that comes from you
old bitter angry vets. Your vicious attitude towards me (a young vet)
is a perfect example of why my attitude is the way it is. I just don't
believe that society needs to worship you. Millions of soldiers have
died since the beginning of time, why should 56,000 of them be anything
special. And as I said, none of you HAD to go you CHOSE to go, so live
with it.
I AM NOT THIS MOORE THAT I KEEP HEARING YOU ALL REFER TO. I am not and
will not ever be a Marine or associated with them. I am just a former
regular army soldier that hates that his generation of troops are
demeaned and ridiculed because we are not Vietnam Vets, too. At least
we don't have to be threatened with jail to join.
And so there is no mistake about it, I don't give a darn about courage
and country and all that stuff. I am in it to get the benefits and to
be a soldier (which looks good on a resume). I only care about myself
and that is just the way it is.
Also, in addition to being in the National Guard, I am an Army ROTC
cadet. So I will one day be an officer within the military and get to
spread this attitude to my troops. :-)
Thank you for your time.
- GenXVet
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*{Michael}*
>Also, in addition to being in the National Guard, I am an Army ROTC
>cadet. So I will one day be an officer within the military and get to
>spread this attitude to my troops. :-)
>Thank you for your time.
>GenXVet
You're also posting from hotmail!
You're also having a damned good time stirring the pot!
You're also an A-hole for doing so!
Michael
101st Abn Div
1969
carlton
Army veteran I'd be ashamed to even stand next to you in formation .Why
don't you do everyone a favor and ask for an EARLY OUT
Anonymous wrote in message <1998100503...@replay.com>...
>I love how in the Internet world, if someone has opinion different than
>the majority, they are called trolls and are reported for their "abuse".
>All I did was express my opinion about the whining that comes from you
>old bitter angry vets. Your vicious attitude towards me (a young vet)
>is a perfect example of why my attitude is the way it is. I just don't
>believe that society needs to worship you. Millions of soldiers have
>died since the beginning of time, why should 56,000 of them be anything
>special. And as I said, none of you HAD to go you CHOSE to go, so live
>with it.
>
>I AM NOT THIS MOORE THAT I KEEP HEARING YOU ALL REFER TO. I am not and
>will not ever be a Marine or associated with them. I am just a former
>regular army soldier that hates that his generation of troops are
>demeaned and ridiculed because we are not Vietnam Vets, too. At least
>we don't have to be threatened with jail to join.
>
>And so there is no mistake about it, I don't give a darn about courage
>and country and all that stuff. I am in it to get the benefits and to
>be a soldier (which looks good on a resume). I only care about myself
>and that is just the way it is.
>
>cadet. So I will one day be an officer within the military and get to
>spread this attitude to my troops. :-)
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
Edward Combs Jr.
Service-connected Agent Orange pay I would stop whining about, whatever
it is I'm whining about....fair enough?
..........
PangK
>From: Anonymous <nob...@replay.com>
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>Also, in addition to being in the National Guard, I am an Army ROTC cadet.
So I will one day be an officer within the military and get to spread this
attitude to my troops. :-)
You, son will NEVER be an officer! You simply are NOT officer material.
It'd be a SA day if you ever did get those gold bars. But in Viet Nam we had a
way of dealing with pricks like you. A grenade in your back pocket while you
slept. (ENEMY ACTION)
PangK
>From: fathers...@dragoncon.net
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>I *am* this Moore that has been referred to. To shed some light on that
issue....there is a flamer by the name of Ken Pangborn. He's been following me
to every newsgroup I post in, and attacking me verbally in these groups, for
about nine months now. Because of this, I
occasionally use anonymous remailers. For this reason, Ken concludes that I'm
the only person who has ever used remailers, and that every
post from a remailer must be from me.
Following YOU into WHAT newsgroups dickless? Milwaukee General? Here? GE
REAL you little FAIRY! YOU have been the net stalker and the whole net KNOWS
it. You've been kicked off ISP afte ISP for your bullshit you LOSER!
Now let's cut thropught he shit here.
>From: fathers...@dragoncon.net
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
n Hey dickhead, you want people to beleiev you are posting openly and NOT Mr.
Anonymous???? You think because you use the PHONEY Dragoncon ISP name that
people will miss THIS little addendum in the headers DICKLESS???
>Organization: mail...@replay.com
>NNTP-Posting-Host: basement.replay.com
Jesus Moore, you are one brainless fuck!
Do you thinks folks will MISS that? SOme will.
>NNTP-Posting-Host: basement.replay.com
>NNTP-Posting-Host: basement.replay.com
>NNTP-Posting-Host: basement.replay.com
>NNTP-Posting-Host: basement.replay.com
>NNTP-Posting-Host: basement.replay.com
Not NOW, however!
>He has also been spreading lies about the character of my service in the
Marine Corps. Rest assured that he knows nothing about my service record.
I don't know all that much. Just that you were thrown out. And that was
verified by a guy who had the misfortune to be in your same command structure.
He didn't think much of you. Seems that that was a pretty general sentiment
according to what I was told by the Sergeant.
>As part of his campaign of harassment against me, he has been spreading lies
that I was dishonorably discharged.
No David, that is NOT what I said. I said you were discharged under
conditions OTHER than honorable. BIG DIFFERENCE. And I stated that it was under
conditions SIMILAR to a Section 8. Not under the mental disability section. I
also said you had your discharge UPGRADED, which is the information I was
given.
>He also has been claiming for nine months that he is going to have me arrested
for
debating him on the newsgroups.
Moore you can't tell the truth. It isn't IN you.
The REASON that I have filed criminal charhges against you is because you
FORGED some pretty terrible anti-semetic posts you attributed to me, and then
you tried to use them with my professional association and elsewhere to cause
me injury. When you pulled that you crossed a line. I told you to cosider your
actions strongly, to see if you REALLY wanted the WAR you started. I told you
that you'd become my HOBBY! You have! In so far as seeing to it you wind up
behind bars. It has become my life calling Moore. And it is merely a matter of
time. Sadly, the detective REALLY wants to nail your ass for something more
serious so things are delayed. But make NO mistake Moore, your ass is grass!
And I think folks will take a second look at headers and fige your SORRY ass
out.
> Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
> remailer administrator at <ab...@replay.com>.
kell...@hotmail.com
out after only four years because my Father, a former Marine who did 2 tours
in Nam, died of a service related disability that I won't get into here. BTW,
he wasn't a "druggie criminal." You, anonymous, are simply a fucking disgrace
to all vets, gen xers, Legionairs, and VFW members everywhere. If you're
really going to be an officer someday, I'm glad I'm a civilian now, and I am
sure that someday I'm going to watch them bring your dead carcass home in a
body bag on CNN. I have had offers to join both the National Guard and Navy
Reserves and I have turned them all down. If you represent the future of the
military, then obviously I made a good decision.
In article <1998100503...@replay.com>,
Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> wrote:
> I love how in the Internet world, if someone has opinion different than
> the majority, they are called trolls and are reported for their "abuse".
> All I did was express my opinion about the whining that comes from you
> old bitter angry vets. Your vicious attitude towards me (a young vet)
> is a perfect example of why my attitude is the way it is. I just don't
> believe that society needs to worship you. Millions of soldiers have
> died since the beginning of time, why should 56,000 of them be anything
> special. And as I said, none of you HAD to go you CHOSE to go, so live
> with it.
>
> I AM NOT THIS MOORE THAT I KEEP HEARING YOU ALL REFER TO. I am not and
> will not ever be a Marine or associated with them. I am just a former
> regular army soldier that hates that his generation of troops are
> demeaned and ridiculed because we are not Vietnam Vets, too. At least
> we don't have to be threatened with jail to join.
>
> And so there is no mistake about it, I don't give a darn about courage
> and country and all that stuff. I am in it to get the benefits and to
> be a soldier (which looks good on a resume). I only care about myself
> and that is just the way it is.
>
> Also, in addition to being in the National Guard, I am an Army ROTC
> cadet. So I will one day be an officer within the military and get to
> spread this attitude to my troops. :-)
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> - GenXVet
>
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Jim Garrett
>Also, in addition to being in the National Guard, I am an Army ROTC
>cadet. So I will one day be an officer within the military and get to
>spread this attitude to my troops. :-)
As a Clinical Psychologist (and a Vietnam Combat Marine), I have a great
deal of respect for anyone in uniform who has placed him or her self in
harms way when call on to do so by our country. I have great disregard for
wannabees who have not the courage to do so and cover it up with a bad
attitude. I have, both professionally and personally, met many of both
kinds. As far as Vietnam veterans demanding from the government (and the
cowards who refused to serve) the kind of respect that all combat soldiers
deserve; we joined a long history of American Combat Veterans who have been
mistreated by the very country we fought for. WW I and Korean soldiers were
treated particularly badly. We Vietnam veterans simply grew up believing
that wrongs should be righted and have fought for ALL combat veterans to get
the respect they deserve.
Jim Garrett
PangK
>From: kell...@hotmail.com
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>You, anonymous, are simply a fucking disgrace to all vets, gen xers,
Legionairs, and VFW members everywhere.
He's just bitter. And the things he SAYS reflect his service. Men who have
served HONORABLY have great respect for ALL other Veterans and feel a STRONG
kinship.
I have NEVER heard a disrespectful thing from a vet of WW-2, Korea, Viet Nam or
Desert Storm who served honorably toward other vets as a group. We may get on
each other's cases on issues, but not putting down vets of other wars.
SO what the guy SAYS is a tip off. There is ALWAYS a basis for that kind of
bitterness.
Usually, a poor service record. A square peg
who didn't fit in the military.
PangK
>From: "Jim Garrett" <jgar...@nycap.rr.com>
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>As a Clinical Psychologist (and a Vietnam Combat Marine), I have a great deal
of respect for anyone in uniform who has placed him or her self in harms way
when call on to do so by our country.
Well said! And those who speak like "ANONYMOUS" generally do so because
their bitterness is born in the fact that THEY failed to measure up to the job.
Rather than face their own failure they attack others!
SeaRider
> Seems to me that the young vet accusing the old vets of being angry is
> as angry as the old vets he is trying to accuse!
> I found this site 3 months ago after I ETS'd. I missed interacting
> with soldiers and people from the military community I have grown to
> love and respect. Aside from 4 good retirees I met here, I was pretty
> disappointed by the hostility displayed on this site. Why is this? I
> found most of my postings to be in self defense.. Where is the unity
> and cohesion the military engrained into our souls?
Something is happening in this country that I certainly can't explain and
I'm not the only one to notice. People are becoming much more intolerant
of their fellow man. I have theories based on lots of psychology I
studied but, I didn't finish school so I really don't know. Casual contact
with people in public used to be mostly pleasant experiences but, they are
turning into confrontations. Reports recently came out about a woman in a
grocery store who was so upset about her cart being bumped into that she
got a knife off a shelf and stabbed an old dude six times.
The post just below yours, on my reader, is from some retired Navy
Commander (maybe) who seems to be trying to deny a suggestion that someone
needs fragging while apparently implying that it is a fate destined for a
poster. Here's one of my leaders putting a stamp of approval on an
abhorrent practice. I can practically guarantee you he will now come back
with a nasty flame to my post.
One thing though, this NG is like all the others. People feel protected
by anonymity. People will readily flame me and call me names and make all
kinds of threats on the net. If they did it to my face they would have to
deal with me. On the net they sit in the comfort of their chair and rave
on unmolested. Now I'm not saying I'm Billy Bad Ass and that I'd kick
their butts. I've kicked a few and had mine kicked a few times. I'm just
saying that face-to-face most of these people would be much more reserved
with their comments.
Like I say, I'm not sure what's causing it but, let's sit back and enjoy
the blasts I'll get from this.
PangK
>From: postr...@ifyou.wanttoknow (SeaRider)
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>Something is happening in this country that I certainly can't explain and I'm
not the only one to notice. People are becoming much more intolerant of their
fellow man.
Not just here. It is world wide. I also have a theory. I believe that
nature programs the DNA of whatever is the dominant species on the planet to
function only for so long and then it begins to collapse. It happened suddenly
as a massive catastrophe to the Dinosaurs. We'll probably blow ourselves up.
Look at Kosovo, Bosnia etc. The behavior we have seen, the
self righteousness of people like our VET
who think they have the right to abuse people the way that we've seen, but that
others are abusing THEM if you take umbrage at their ire,
is a form of mental illness and it seems to be contageous. I think it is
weakened DNA.
>I really don't know. Casual contact with people in public used to be mostly
pleasant experiences but, they are turning into confrontations.
Yes I agree. People who concentrate on what their RIGHTS are and NO
comprehension that along with rights go the responsibility NOT to abuse them.
>One thing though, this NG is like all the others. People feel protected by
anonymity.
Especially when they use anonymous remailers.
Arys
spiritual growth. When I say spiritual growth I am not talking about
religion. Since the birth of this planet, which is a relevantly new
planet, man has evolved steadily and is becoming more intelligent with
time. However, our intelligence level is still far below the level of
perfection. We have a long way to go, but there is only one way to go
and that my friend is...up.
PangK
>From: Ar...@leba.net (Arys)
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>Reply-To: Ar...@leba.net
>I disagree with the weakened DNA theory. I believe in evolution and spiritual
growth. When I say spiritual growth I am not talking about religion. Since
the birth of this planet, which is a relevantly new planet, man has evolved
steadily and is becoming more intelligent with time. However, our intelligence
level is still far below the level of perfection. We have a long way to go,
but there is only one way to go and that my friend is...up.
I think the dinosaurs must have said that as well. Just before....... I
don't see the human race becomming nearer to God. Or more God-like. I see us
moving the same way the world was just before the flood.
Arys
evolve. What I say about evolution is not a religious issue.
PangK
>Dinosaurs were aminals! They were destined to extinction so man could evolve.
What I say about evolution is not a religious issue.
EVOLUTION TO HUMAN RACE:
"TIME'S UP!!!"
Arys
Arys
fathers...@dragoncon.net
>>From: fathers...@dragoncon.net
>>He has also been spreading lies about the character of my service in the
>Marine Corps. Rest assured that he knows nothing about my service record.
>
> I don't know all that much. Just that you were thrown out. And that was
>verified by a guy who had the misfortune to be in your same command structure.
>He didn't think much of you. Seems that that was a pretty general sentiment
>according to what I was told by the Sergeant.
I have stood by for long enough while this individual fills this
newsgroup with lies such as these. I served two tours of duty in the
Marine Corps, fought for my country and was honorably discharged. I'm
going to respond to this person's lies, in his own words. In this
post, I've pasted a few of Pa...@aol.com's past messages on this
subject. You'll note that each time he told the story, he changed it
drastically in an effort to smear me. It just doesn't add up.
I apologize for the length of this, but I feel that slandering the
character of my service of my country is about the lowest thing
imaginable. Please bear with me.
>>As part of his campaign of harassment against me, he has been spreading lies
>that I was dishonorably discharged.
>
> No David, that is NOT what I said. I said you were discharged under
>conditions OTHER than honorable. BIG DIFFERENCE. And I stated that it was under
>conditions SIMILAR to a Section 8. Not under the mental disability section.
Really? Is that what you said? I don't remember, because that was so
long ago. Let's refresh my memory, courtesy of dejanews:
--------------------<<BEGIN REPOST>>----------------------
Re: K Pangborn and S alexander
Author:PangK
Email:pa...@aol.com
Date:1998/04/19
Forums:alt.psychology
Message-ID:<199804190843...@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Organization:AOL http://www.aol.com
References:<6gp2l1$6...@basement.replay.com>
X-Admin:ne...@aol.com
>From: nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
>Newsgroups: alt.psychology
>In Stacy Alexander's defense, it should be noted that she is the victim of a
cruel hate war which has been waged against her for the past year by
Pangborn.
Yes,. Mr. Moore, we can take the word of a man given a Section
8
discharge by the Marines, and who himself was kicked off several
Newsgroups,
and fired from his job for forging
hateful anti-semitic posts attriibuting them to others, as you
tried to do with me, posting ethnic remarks of a derrogatory nature
about
Italians.
--------------------<<END REPOST>>----------------------
Hmmmm. Can you point out to me where the word "similar" appears in the
sentence where you state that I was given a Section 8?
Let's delve a little further. In the following post, you state that I
was given a general discharge for medical reasons. You further state
that you have seen publically available records which prove this:
--------------------<<BEGIN REPOST>>----------------------
Re: Challenge to Kenneth R. Pangborn
Author:PangK
Email:pa...@aol.com
Date:1998/04/21
Forums:soc.veterans
Message-ID:<199804211727...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Organization:AOL http://www.aol.com
References:<6hi2me$de4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
X-Admin:ne...@aol.com
>From: webg...@javanet.com
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
>If you, indeed, have seen David Moore's military discharge as you claim,
please provide proof by posting the date of said discharge herein. No
date
shows everyone that you're lying.
Stacy are yopu a VETERAN? WHich war did you fight in? Which branch?
Why are
you here?
As to Moore's discharge, I obtained only GENERAL information made
available
for legal purposes from an investigation, I did NOT claim I had
actually seen
his discharge certificate. I did say he obtained a "GENERAL" discharge
for
medical reasons. Which is part of his general files available on anyone
Stacy.
Actually somebody else obtained it and provided me a copy. And the oNLY
reason
I mentioned it was because of HIS claim that I dodge the draft. NOW,
for
CHELLENGES<
where's YOUR proof of that? Who do you claim you called and VERIFIED
IT?????
--------------------<<END REPOST>>----------------------
In these posts, Ken, you claim that I was discharged from the Marine
Corps for medical reasons. Yet above, in the post which I am
responding to, you're claiming that I was "thrown out". Can you
explain this discrepancy?
Or this one from a few days ago, which contradicts all of these other
posts? Where you state that I was discharged for "conduct unbecoming"
(Article 134, UCMJ)?
--------------------<<BEGIN REPOST>>----------------------
Re: Vietnam Vets - A Bunch of Druggie Criminals
Author:PangK
Email:pa...@aol.com
Date:1998/10/05
Forums:soc.veterans
Message-ID:<19981005083238...@ng133.aol.com>
Organization:AOL http://www.aol.com
References:
X-Admin:ne...@aol.com
>From: pma...@ionet.net (Perry)
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>Check your facts you stupid fuck, lot of us did reup to fix the military so
idiots like you wouldn't get killed when they served. The only time
Vietnam
Veterans get riled up is when jerks like you share their wisdom to the
world.
Also be careful with your attitude because the next Vietnam veteran
you meet
may be a cop, a doctor, fireman or the judge you will most likely see
some day
because of that attitude of yours.
David Moore, the author of that tome was a Marine who got the old
heave-ho
for conduct unbecomming. He's the same WUSS who a few months ago was
bent out
of shape because I commented that I was told he was kicked out of the
Marines.
He threw a hissy fit, demanding that I PROVE I had info anout him. He
demanded
that I post his middle name (Dennis)
and his serial number. Twice I challenged him,
"do you REALLy want me to do that?" Twice he came back calling me a
liar. When
I *did*
post his middle name and his number, he hasn't quit whining since.
Crying like
a baby.
IN dealing with Mr. Moore's trolls, you gotta remember he is a
bitter you
man who really didn't make the grade in the military.
He had to have his discharge upgraded. A concept that I still have
STRONG
disagreement with. I believe your discharge SHOULD reflect the calibre
of your
service.
When I served, an HONORABLE discharge like mine meant something. It
wasn't a
diploma you could get by WHINING loudly! Yopu had to EARN it. To give
it to a
cretin whose behavior was substandard demeans the service the rest of
us gave
out nation.
--------------------<<END REPOST>>----------------------
So, Ken, why have you changed your story so many times? It's evident
that you're lying in at least some of these claims, as they all
contradict one another. Care to explain? Oh, wait. Before you
explain, here's one more. In this one, your claim is that I was
discharged from the Marine Corps for running from the enemy in
Operation Desert Storm:
--------------------<<BEGIN REPOST>>----------------------
Re: Tracy--BAD parent!
Author:PangK
Email:pa...@aol.com
Date:1998/09/09
Forums:milw.general
Message-ID:<199809091048...@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Organization:AOL http://www.aol.com
References:<199809090100...@nym.alias.net>
X-Admin:ne...@aol.com
>From: lcs Mixmaster Remailer <m...@anon.lcs.mit.edu>
>Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon,milw.general
>Tracy bragged to me over the telephone that she allows her children to do
whatever they want--including consumption of alcohol.
Moore is it true that you were kicked out of the Marine Corps for
being a
guttless coward and RUNNIING from the enemy in Desert Storm? Is it true
you wet
your pants when you heard gunfire 10 miles away and started screaming
for your
MOMMY????? Your behavior on usenet certainly supports those claims. I
only know
what I have heard and what I see from a TOTALLY GUTLESS WONDER!
--------------------<<END REPOST>>----------------------
So, Ken, care to explain these little "discrepancies"? Maybe you could
drag that "mystery Sergeant" who supposedly served in my unit and
"universally hated" me so much.
If you need to know where to find him, he's probably playing golf
somewhere with all those mystery Federal Agents who are causing my
modem to run slower, and filling out all that paperwork so they can
arrest me for having a different opinion than you.
To everyone else who is bearing with me on this, I apologize for the
length. But there are some things you just don't mess with, and this
man has smeared my military service with his lies for long enough.
Anonymous
>No Ken.. it's not.. It has just begun.
Actually, Ken was making reference to his membership in the Florida
Bar.
Arys
PangK
>No Ken.. it's not.. It has just begun.
Yeah that's what the Dinosaurs thought the day before as well.
PangK
>From: Anonymous <rema...@hr13.zedz.net>
>Newsgroups: soc.veterans
>Organization: mail...@replay.com
>Actually, Ken was making reference to his membership in the Florida Bar.
Moore, why don't you go back to posting your TROLLS and forgereis? You are
an embarassment to the Marine Corps. How you snuck out of basic is mind
boggling.