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Three members of the Russian band Pussy Riot have spent the
last six months in prison for staging a protest against
Russian leader Vladimir Putin inside an Orthodox cathedral.
On Friday, the group was awarded the LennonOno Grant for
Peace award by the artist and activist Yoko Ono. On
Thursday, Pussy Riot also received the public backing of
Burmese pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who is
currently on her first visit to the United States in more
than three decades. We’re joined by two guests who have
traveled to the United States on Pussy Riot’s behalf: Pyotr
Verzilov, husband of jailed Pussy Riot member Nadia
Tolokonnikova, and Alisa Obraztsova, lawyer’s assistant
with the band’s legal defense team. [includes rush
transcript]
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http://www.democracynow.org/
(i haven't seen anything on CNN about pussy riot...wonder why?)
;-)
>------------------------------------------------
>Three members of the Russian band Pussy Riot have spent the
>last six months in prison for staging a protest against
>Russian leader Vladimir Putin inside an Orthodox cathedral.
>On Friday, the group was awarded the LennonOno Grant for
>Peace award by the artist and activist Yoko Ono. On
>Thursday, Pussy Riot also received the public backing of
>Burmese pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who is
>currently on her first visit to the United States in more
>than three decades. We’re joined by two guests who have
>traveled to the United States on Pussy Riot’s behalf: Pyotr
>Verzilov, husband of jailed Pussy Riot member Nadia
>Tolokonnikova, and Alisa Obraztsova, lawyer’s assistant
>with the band’s legal defense team. [includes rush
>transcript]
>-------------------------------------------------
>http://www.democracynow.org/
>(i haven't seen anything on CNN about pussy riot...wonder why?)
>;-)
I did. They even said it. Pussy. It was a lady. I think, Erin? I saw it
Sunday night.
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:38:13 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam "Dr. Vincent
> Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu> wrote:
>> i haven't seen anything on CNN about pussy riot...wonder why?
> Inquiring minds *demand* to know!
> Get beck to us on it as soon as you find out, OK?
The Russians sent 3 of the protesting women from the group called Pussy Riot to jail for 2 years. Other people are protesting to get them out.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19671361>
dino wrote:
> In article <mf6dnex0G_wfc_3NnZ2dnUVZ_vmdn...@supernews.com>, Dr. Vincent Quin,
> Ph.D. says...
>>------------------------------------------------
>>Three members of the Russian band Pussy Riot have spent the
>>last six months in prison for staging a protest against
>>Russian leader Vladimir Putin inside an Orthodox cathedral.
>>On Friday, the group was awarded the LennonOno Grant for
>>Peace award by the artist and activist Yoko Ono. On
>>Thursday, Pussy Riot also received the public backing of
>>Burmese pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who is
>>currently on her first visit to the United States in more
>>than three decades. We re joined by two guests who have
>>traveled to the United States on Pussy Riot s behalf: Pyotr
>>Verzilov, husband of jailed Pussy Riot member Nadia
>>Tolokonnikova, and Alisa Obraztsova, lawyer s assistant
>>with the band s legal defense team. [includes rush
>>transcript]
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>http://www.democracynow.org/
>>(i haven't seen anything on CNN about pussy riot...wonder why?)
>>;-)
> I did. They even said it. Pussy. It was a lady. I think, Erin? I saw it
> Sunday night.
>> In article <mf6dnex0G_wfc_3NnZ2dnUVZ_vmdn...@supernews.com>, Dr.
>> Vincent Quin,
>> Ph.D. says...
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Three members of the Russian band Pussy Riot have spent the
>>> last six months in prison for staging a protest against
>>> Russian leader Vladimir Putin inside an Orthodox cathedral.
>>> On Friday, the group was awarded the LennonOno Grant for
>>> Peace award by the artist and activist Yoko Ono. On
>>> Thursday, Pussy Riot also received the public backing of
>>> Burmese pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who is
>>> currently on her first visit to the United States in more
>>> than three decades. We re joined by two guests who have
>>> traveled to the United States on Pussy Riot s behalf: Pyotr
>>> Verzilov, husband of jailed Pussy Riot member Nadia
>>> Tolokonnikova, and Alisa Obraztsova, lawyer s assistant
>>> with the band s legal defense team. [includes rush
>>> transcript]
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>> http://www.democracynow.org/
>>> (i haven't seen anything on CNN about pussy riot...wonder why?)
>>> ;-)
>> I did. They even said it. Pussy. It was a lady. I think, Erin? I
>> saw it
>> Sunday night.
> snicker snicker tee hee
> ;-)
This is all so offensive I think we should burn somebody's embassy.
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:59:55 +0100, in alt.war.vietnam Andrew Swallow
<am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>The Russians sent 3 of the protesting women from the group called Pussy >Riot to jail for 2 years. Other people are protesting to get them out.
><http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19671361>
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:59:55 +0100, in alt.war.vietnam Andrew Swallow
<am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>The Russians sent 3 of the protesting women from the group called Pussy
>Riot to jail for 2 years. Other people are protesting to get them out.
><http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19671361>
>Andrew Swallow
Thanks... that takes a load off my mind.
I was afraid that it was a conspiracy.
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Pussy riot...I just love saying it :)
> ------------------------------------------------
> Three members of the Russian band Pussy Riot have spent the
> last six months in prison for staging a protest against
> Russian leader Vladimir Putin inside an Orthodox cathedral.
> On Friday, the group was awarded the LennonOno Grant for
> Peace award by the artist and activist Yoko Ono. On
> Thursday, Pussy Riot also received the public backing of
> Burmese pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who is
> currently on her first visit to the United States in more
> than three decades. We’re joined by two guests who have
> traveled to the United States on Pussy Riot’s behalf: Pyotr
> Verzilov, husband of jailed Pusy Riot member Nadia
> Tolokonnikova, and Alisa Obraztsova, lawyer’s assistant
> with the band’s legal defense team. [includes rush
> transcript]
> -------------------------------------------------http://www.democracynow.org/
> (i haven't seen anything on CNN about pussy riot...wonder why?)
> ;-)
The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
<eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
>which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
>they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
You're joking right?
When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 12:54:26AM +0100, Bill wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
> >which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
> >they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
> You're joking right?
> When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
Perhaps. However there are others who are not quite so fortunate.
Anna Politkovskaya will not be doing any touring anytime soon.
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:18:32 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 12:54:26AM +0100, Bill wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
>> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
>> >which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
>> >they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
>> You're joking right?
>> When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
>Perhaps. However there are others who are not quite so fortunate.
>Anna Politkovskaya will not be doing any touring anytime soon.
Politkovskaya was a highly educated journalist who knew exactly what
risks she was taking.
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 01:28:25AM +0100, Bill wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:18:32 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 12:54:26AM +0100, Bill wrote:
> >> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
> >> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
> >> >which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
> >> >they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
> >> You're joking right?
> >> When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
> >Perhaps. However there are others who are not quite so fortunate.
> >Anna Politkovskaya will not be doing any touring anytime soon.
> Politkovskaya was a highly educated journalist who knew exactly what
> risks she was taking.
So, political murder is a "risk" which journalists in modern times
should "evaluate" before writing about "politics". Got it in one. I
suppose she ought to have learned from the lesson from Zahra Kazemi,
or even from some of her journalist countrymen who've also been
murdered in Russia in recent years. But the news is not all bad; it
seems that journalists in Mexico have recognized that they should
consult the warlords before publishing news in an irresponsible
fashion. And of course, American journalists have been playing it
safe for decades.
What point are you trying to make about contemporary journalism in
supposedly civilized societies?
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
>> which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
>> they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
> You're joking right?
> When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
Eunometic wrote:
> On Sep 25, 1:36 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu>
> wrote:
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Three members of the Russian band Pussy Riot have spent the
>> last six months in prison for staging a protest against
>> Russian leader Vladimir Putin inside an Orthodox cathedral.
>> On Friday, the group was awarded the LennonOno Grant for
>> Peace award by the artist and activist Yoko Ono. On
>> Thursday, Pussy Riot also received the public backing of
>> Burmese pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who is
>> currently on her first visit to the United States in more
>> than three decades. We’re joined by two guests who have
>> traveled to the United States on Pussy Riot’s behalf: Pyotr
>> Verzilov, husband of jailed Pusy Riot member Nadia
>> Tolokonnikova, and Alisa Obraztsova, lawyer’s assistant
>> with the band’s legal defense team. [includes rush
>> transcript]
>> -------------------------------------------------http://www.democracynow.org/
>> (i haven't seen anything on CNN about pussy riot...wonder why?)
>> ;-)
> The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
> which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
> they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
Of course 25 years ago sinsulting the church would not only have
been allowed but encouraged and as a good KGB officer
Vladimir Putin would have heartily approved of their actions.
That stalwart defender of the faith was at that time a convinced atheist
or so he said.
> On 05/10/2012 00:54, Bill wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
>> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
>>> which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
>>> they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
>> You're joking right?
>> When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
> They will have to learn to dance in step first.
Oh, come on, Andrew! They're a punk act.
-- Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
On Oct 5, 1:03 am, "Keith W" <keithnospoofsple...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Of course 25 years ago sinsulting the church would not only have
> been allowed but encouraged and as a good KGB officer
> Vladimir Putin would have heartily approved of their actions.
> That stalwart defender of the faith was at that time a convinced atheist
> or so he said.
In one.
The Church has been currying favor with the State wanting to re-
instate the tried and true "Church and State" model. And currently
that means the church supports the state almost in lock-step and acts,
in Soviet terminology, as an organ of the State. So the State
reciprocated the favor in this case.
>On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 01:28:25AM +0100, Bill wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:18:32 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 12:54:26AM +0100, Bill wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
>> >> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
>> >> >which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
>> >> >they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
>> >> You're joking right?
>> >> When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
>> >Perhaps. However there are others who are not quite so fortunate.
>> >Anna Politkovskaya will not be doing any touring anytime soon.
>> Politkovskaya was a highly educated journalist who knew exactly what
>> risks she was taking.
>So, political murder is a "risk" which journalists in modern times
>should "evaluate" before writing about "politics".
Damn right it is.
In Pakistan they shoot them like rabbits...
>What point are you trying to make about contemporary journalism in
>supposedly civilized societies?
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 05:42:39PM +0100, Bill wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:45:43 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 01:28:25AM +0100, Bill wrote:
> >> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:18:32 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 12:54:26AM +0100, Bill wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
> >> >> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> >The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
> >> >> >which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
> >> >> >they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
> >> >> You're joking right?
> >> >> When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
> >> >Perhaps. However there are others who are not quite so fortunate.
> >> >Anna Politkovskaya will not be doing any touring anytime soon.
> >> Politkovskaya was a highly educated journalist who knew exactly what
> >> risks she was taking.
> >So, political murder is a "risk" which journalists in modern times
> >should "evaluate" before writing about "politics".
> Damn right it is.
> In Pakistan they shoot them like rabbits...
At least in Canada, the only journalist executed within the last
twenty years was shot by a guy who thought the reporter was encoding
personal messages into his radio program.
Oh, there was that former newspaper(?) editor from BC who became
mentally ill, then homeless and was later beaten to death near Moss
Park in Toronto by a bunch of idiots out drinking. But such
incidents must be rather rare and arise from prosaic causes having
nothing at all to do with domestic political criticism.
Otherwise, Canadian journalists are careful to be critical of major
political problems that are invariably occurring somewhere "over there",
overseas, and so you would not expect the local gestapo to be
murdering them in elevators or running them down in the streets with
city buses.
> >What point are you trying to make about contemporary journalism in
> >supposedly civilized societies?
> That it's a dangerous business.
Perhaps you can tell me why Computer Programmer is a dangerous
occupation, Bill. I've got twenty+ years of experience that says it
is.
Regards,
Uncle Steve
-- My people and I have come to an agreement that satisfies us both.
They are to say what they please, and I am to do what I please.
- Frederick the Great, c. 1770
> Perhaps you can tell me why Computer Programmer is a dangerous
> occupation, Bill. I've got twenty+ years of experience that says it
> is.
> Uncle Steve
In a Massachusetts traffic survey they were found to be the most inattentive, distracted rush-hour drivers.
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 13:06:38 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 05:42:39PM +0100, Bill wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:45:43 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
>> >What point are you trying to make about contemporary journalism in
>> >supposedly civilized societies?
>> That it's a dangerous business.
>Perhaps you can tell me why Computer Programmer is a dangerous
>occupation, Bill. I've got twenty+ years of experience that says it
>is.
If you're still programming computers over the age of about 30 you
really shouldn't be
On Oct 5, 1:54 am, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Eunometic
> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
> >which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
> >they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
> You're joking right?
> When they get out they're going to earn a fortune touring the West.
Must admit I think their band name is effective. Immagine what would
have happened if they tried a similar stunt in say the grande mosque
in mecca.
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 01:57:20PM -0400, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Uncle Steve" <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:0dfaf84feb9718a-643e5@gmail.com...
> > Perhaps you can tell me why Computer Programmer is a dangerous
> > occupation, Bill. I've got twenty+ years of experience that says it
> > is.
> > Uncle Steve
> In a Massachusetts traffic survey they were found to be the most > inattentive, distracted rush-hour drivers.
Interesting, but not what I was thinking of. I wonder if there is a
correlation to language specialty. As in, are C++ programmers more
likely to have accidents than Lisp or Perl programmers sort of thing,
or might it have something to do with the platform?
Regards,
Uncle Steve
-- My people and I have come to an agreement that satisfies us both.
They are to say what they please, and I am to do what I please.
- Frederick the Great, c. 1770
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 07:01:47PM +0100, Bill wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 13:06:38 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 05:42:39PM +0100, Bill wrote:
> >> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:45:43 -0400, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com>
> >> >What point are you trying to make about contemporary journalism in
> >> >supposedly civilized societies?
> >> That it's a dangerous business.
> >Perhaps you can tell me why Computer Programmer is a dangerous
> >occupation, Bill. I've got twenty+ years of experience that says it
> >is.
> If you're still programming computers over the age of about 30 you
> really shouldn't be
Not answering the question again, but I shouldn't be surprised. It
would be a signal for a national day of celebration if you ever
stuck to the topic for once without evasions or circumlocutions.
> It's a young man's game.
Nice myth, Bill, but nothing beats experience. Programming shops on
average may prefer youthful code-monkeys writing fractional
application bits because they're cheaper and easier to herd, but
complex applications involving, say, math and simulation work requires
serious expertise. And parallel programming is still a black art,
even with modern message-passing APIs and parallelized languages.
Nobody would ever suggest that physics or chemistry or medicine is a
young man's game, and yet computer science has more in common with
those fields than it does with Physical Education, which really is a
young man's game. I suspect you fear complexity that you do not
understand, and while you probably know as much about physics as you
do about computer science, physics is not as threatening as the
magical machine you are sitting in front of right now, and which you use to
compose your messages to Usenet on a daily basis. I don't doubt you
would prefer to make computer programmers easier to control and
survey, which would imply middling non-experts producing software that
is (relatively) easy to comprehend, analyze and subvert. The fewer
rock-star programmers, the better, eh?
You might argue that the languages change with something like a decade
frequency, obsoleting skill sets and the like, however algorithms
don't change all that much, and programming is all about the
algorithms. Certainly COBOL programmers are almost completely
obsolete, but it could be said they chose the wrong language. I
expect Java to follow the same path, just as Perl seems to be losing
out to Ruby and Python.
I'm so happy to have the opportunity to crush one of your trolls so
easily, but I would prefer if you'd stop your futile attacks on my
expertise and self-esteem and stick to addressing the content you have
so far avoided.
Regards,
Uncle Steve
-- My people and I have come to an agreement that satisfies us both.
They are to say what they please, and I am to do what I please.
- Frederick the Great, c. 1770
Eunometic wrote:
> On Sep 25, 1:36 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu>
> wrote:
>>------------------------------------------------
>>Three members of the Russian band Pussy Riot have spent the
>>last six months in prison for staging a protest against
>>Russian leader Vladimir Putin inside an Orthodox cathedral.
>>On Friday, the group was awarded the LennonOno Grant for
>>Peace award by the artist and activist Yoko Ono. On
>>Thursday, Pussy Riot also received the public backing of
>>Burmese pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who is
>>currently on her first visit to the United States in more
>>than three decades. We’re joined by two guests who have
>>traveled to the United States on Pussy Riot’s behalf: Pyotr
>>Verzilov, husband of jailed Pusy Riot member Nadia
>>Tolokonnikova, and Alisa Obraztsova, lawyer’s assistant
>>with the band’s legal defense team. [includes rush
>>transcript]
>>-------------------------------------------------http://www.democracynow.org/
>>(i haven't seen anything on CNN about pussy riot...wonder why?)
>>;-)
> The girls were idiots for doing what the did in an Orthodox Church
> which is sacred and deeply revered by Russians. Next time maybe
> they'll do their publicity stunt outside?
Was, in your humble opinion, their civil disobedience effective?
Where, in your humble opinion, would their civil disobedience have been more effective?
Is, in your humble opinion, religion always off limits for open expressions of contempt?
If you realized you are an "establishment" nutjob, would you admit it?
;-)
