Re: Decorated Marine denied in-state tuition(Illegal Aliens get in-state tuition)
norton@cybertrails.com arminius
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> And yet Bush's Illegal Aliens in Texas get in-state tuition! Imagine
> that. (cite follows Marine story)
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> Keith
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> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45825
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> Decorated Marine denied in-state tuition
> Community college tells Texas native his tours in Iraq disqualify him
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> Posted: August 18, 2005
> 1:00 a.m. Eastern
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> © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> Carl Basham (Photo: Star-Telegram).
>
> Despite being a Texas native, a registered voter and holder of a state
> driver's license, a decorated Marine has been denied lower in-state
> tuition at a community college because he spent too much time out of
> the state while serving two tours of duty in Iraq.
>
> Carl Basham says he was shocked when personnel at Austin Community
> College told him a few weeks ago that he didn't qualify as a Texas
> resident "for tuition purposes." Basham was born in Beeville, Texas,
> registered to vote in Travis County in 1998, holds a Texas driver's
> license and does his banking in Austin, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram
> reported.
>
>
> "They told me that I have to physically live in the state of Texas for
> at least a year," Basham told the paper. "It kind of hurts."
>
> According to the report, Austin Community College officials were
> unable to specify why Basham isn't considered a Texas resident, only
> that he didn't meet state requirements as determined by the Texas
> Higher Education Coordinating Board. A spokeswoman said privacy laws
> prevent a discussion of Basham's case.
>
> In-state tuition at the college is $500 per semester, compared to
> $2,600 for non-Texas residents.
>
> Two state officials are decrying the decision.
>
> "Mr. Basham has gone to war for us, and I intend to go to war for
> him!" said state Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn, in a letter to
> the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board. "We owe it to our
> returning service men and women to make it as easy and uncomplicated
> as possible for them to resume their normal lives."
>
> State Rep. Suzanna Hupp, R-Lampasas, also plans to probe the issue.
>
> "I think we need to look into it further. It doesn't make sense that
> people who have bullets flying over their head aren't treated properly
> when they get back," she told the Star-Telegram.
>
> The higher education board is reportedly investigating the case.
>
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http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/081405dntextuition.2bfcdf8.html
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> In-state rates for illegal immigrants challenged
>
> Group targets break that Texas colleges give illegal residents
>
> 12:10 AM CDT on Sunday, August 14, 2005
>
> By MICHELLE MITTELSTADT / The Dallas Morning News
>
> WASHINGTON - Nearly 4,000 Texas students would face a major tuition
> hike or loss of state financial aid if a conservative legal group
> successfully challenges a state law that has made college affordable
> for many illegal immigrants.
>
> The Washington Legal Foundation has filed a complaint with the federal
> government charging that Texas is violating U.S. immigration law by
> allowing illegal immigrants living in the state to pay the same
> in-state tuition as Texas residents who are U.S. citizens.
>
> Fresh from an unsuccessful challenge of a similar Kansas law in
> federal court, the group now has set its sights on Texas, which in
> 2001 became the first state to offer illegal immigrants in-state
> tuition rates and access to state financial aid. Paying in-state
> tuition can save students thousands of dollars a year.
>
> The group's chief counsel, Richard Samp, contends that by offering
> in-state tuition to illegal immigrants, Texas is discriminating
> against non-Texans who don't get a similar tuition break.
>
> And that, his group says, is a "flagrant" violation of a provision in
> the 1996 federal immigration law that sought to discourage states from
> offering tuition benefits to illegal immigrants by mandating that any
> state doing so has to grant similar discounts to all U.S. residents.
>
> "We are out to enforce the law," Mr. Samp said.
>
> The Homeland Security Department, which enforces immigration law, is
> reviewing the complaint, said spokeswoman Valerie Smith, declining to
> comment further. The Washington Legal Foundation is asking the
> department to direct Texas to cease what it deems a violation of civil
> rights and is urging that federal funds be withheld until the state
> complies.
>
> At Houston Community College, which has enrolled more undocumented
> immigrants than any other Texas institution, students say loss of
> in-state rates would be harmful and counterproductive.
>
> "If it wasn't for this program, not only myself but I know a lot of
> people who otherwise wouldn't be where they are," said Richard Rincon,
> a 20-year-old Venezuelan who is working toward an associate's degree
> at the college and intends to transfer to a four-year school to obtain
> a bachelor's degree in computer science.
>
> "It just helps so much," said Mr. Rincon, who has spent more than half
> his life in Texas. "To think there are people out there trying to stop
> that is just ridiculous."
>
> Like Mr. Rincon, Genesis Silva says the Texas law is instrumental to
> her education. The 21-year-old Honduran obtained scholarships through
> Houston Community College and now is seeking financial aid to enroll
> at the University of Houston.
>
> "We are a low-income family. My mom is single, she has two daughters
> ... and it would just not have been possible without it," said Ms.
> Silva, who wants to become a speech therapist. "If we are wanting to
> go to college, it's because we want to do something productive with
> our lives."
>
> Making it harder for illegal immigrants to get an education "in the
> end is not only hurting us as individuals but hurting our communities,
> too," she said.
>
> At Houston Community College, an in-district student pays $588 a
> semester - compared with $1,476 for an out-of-state student, said
> college spokeswoman Carole Keeney Harrington. As for illegal immigrant
> students, she said: "They are just students as far as we are
> concerned, and we just want to see them do well and succeed."
>
> Each year since the Texas law was enacted, the number of students
> using it has risen - from 393 in fall 2001 to 3,704 last fall,
> according to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board.
>
> Although a small number may be children of legal immigrants in Texas
> on certain visas, the vast majority are illegal immigrants, said Ray
> Grasshoff, director of special projects at the coordinating board.
>
> Eight states have joined Texas in offering in-state tuition to illegal
> immigrants: California, Illinois, Kansas, New Mexico, New York,
> Oklahoma, Utah and Washington. An effort to pass similar federal
> legislation, known as the DREAM Act, has been stalled in Congress.
>
> The National Council of La Raza and the League of United Latin
> American Citizens criticized the Washington Legal Foundation's effort
> as an attack on immigrants.
>
> "Let's just call it what it really is," said Adrian Rodriguez, Texas
> LULAC's chief of staff. "This isn't about human rights for all of the
> citizens of the United States. This is about bigotry and racism."
>
> Mr. Samp, the foundation's chief counsel, rejected the accusation.
> "I've been called racist many times in my life. That would be nothing
> new. But I in fact consider myself very pro-immigrant."
>
> While supportive of legal immigration, Mr. Samp said his group opposes
> benefits for illegal immigrants, whose estimated numbers now exceed 11
> million in the U.S.
>
> The group's challenge to the Texas law is "born out of a frustration
> that there is a problem that needs to be addressed," he said.
>
> Cecilia Muñoz, vice president of the National Council of La Raza,
> questioned what benefit there is to denying people an education and
> pathway to better jobs. Noting the advent of civilian patrols on the
> Southwest border, and recent battles over the funding of sites for day
> laborers and denial of benefits to illegal immigrants in Arizona, Ms.
> Muñoz said: "There are skirmishes going on [over] a variety of things
> - none of which have any chance of solving the nation's immigration
> problems."
>
> Mr. Samp replied: "They are all pieces of the same effort to enforce
> immigration laws in this country."
>
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>
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> Indexes breaking news of illegal immigration:
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> Other important links:
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Golly, I'm glad we have a noble leader like President Bush.
Hank
Warrior
"arminius" <richard nor...@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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Joe King
requirements for the state of Texas? Perhaps it would be more fortunate if
you had a noble teacher rather than a noble leader.
>
ben
<nor...@cybertrails.com>> wrote:
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> "Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
> news:j0s8g1tost3f14jlu...@4ax.com...
>>
>> And yet Bush's Illegal Aliens in Texas get in-state tuition! Imagine
>> that. (cite follows Marine story)
>>
>> --
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45825
>>
>> Decorated Marine denied in-state tuition
>> Community college tells Texas native his tours in Iraq disqualify him
>>
>>
>> Despite being a Texas native, a registered voter and holder of a state
>> driver's license, a decorated Marine has been denied lower in-state
>> tuition at a community college because he spent too much time out of
>> the state while serving two tours of duty in Iraq.
>>
>> Carl Basham says he was shocked when personnel at Austin Community
>> College told him a few weeks ago that he didn't qualify as a Texas
>> resident "for tuition purposes." Basham was born in Beeville, Texas,
>> registered to vote in Travis County in 1998, holds a Texas driver's
>> license and does his banking in Austin, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram
>> reported.
>>
>> "They told me that I have to physically live in the state of Texas for
>> at least a year," Basham told the paper. "It kind of hurts."
Either someone at the school is confused, or Basham is leaving out key
facts when he talks to the press.
From UH's residency FAQ:
Q. I'm a member of the U.S. armed forces stationed in Guam. My home of
record is Texas. When I come back to Texas at the end of my tour, will I
be considered a Texas resident?
A. Generally, unless specific efforts are made by the member to change
their home state, members of the U.S. armed forces and commissioned Public
Health Service Officers retain residency in the state listed as their home
of record at the time of entry into service. However, if you do not return
to the state within 12 months of your separation date, you will have to
live and work in Texas for a year to re-establish your claim to residency.
And according to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board:
Coordinating Board Rules, Chapter 21, Subchapter B, Section 21.23(c):
Members of the U.S. Armed Forces and commissioned Public Health Service
Officers
are presumed to maintain the same domicile that was in effect at the time
of entering the service during their entire period of active service. They
are presumed not to establish a domicile in other states in which they are
assigned duty because their presence is not voluntary but under U.S.
military or Public Health Service orders.
I know I'm responding to a troll, but I figured someone out there might be
taking this seriously.
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joe
According to the Austin news broadcast, the problem is that he joined the
service in Louisiana where he was living at the time and where he attended
his last two years of high school. He evidently had not resided in Texas
since he was a sophomore in high school.
R M
non-resident rate for the educational services they have received so far.
Pay up or the institution withholds all credits. When paid release the
credits. With this money we can afford to send a Marine to school.
Meanwhile ship the illegals back to the paradises on earth from whence they
came.
Seal the southern border with wire and mines. Pick up the remaining
illegals and ship them back! Problem solved. To keep it solved repeat
illegal crossers are imprisoned in a prison far away from the southern
border.
Jeffrae
arminius wrote:
> "Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
> news:j0s8g1tost3f14jlu...@4ax.com...
> >
> > And yet Bush's Illegal Aliens in Texas get in-state tuition! Imagine
> > that. (cite follows Marine story)
> >
> > --
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45825
> >
> > Decorated Marine denied in-state tuition
> > Community college tells Texas native his tours in Iraq disqualify him
> >
>
> Hank
What is he then? A residen tof Iraq? He must be classified resident of
somewhere. I guess Bush would beleive it to be Iraq If that is the
case, then we better throw him in prison and torture him..
Jeff
When is GW Bush going to send all US Citizens to the gas chambers?
ben
He's a resident of LA, troll. Where he lived before he entered the
Marines. We'd be happy to have him as a Texan, but he still has to follow
the rules, just like everyone else.
Asmodeus
@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net:
> He's a resident of LA, troll
Wrong, bozo.
Change those diapers.
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Sam A. Kersh
ben, his home of record while in the Marines was Texas. It's the idiots
at the univ. that have the screwed up policy. Oh, and he was born here
in Texas....
omare...@aol.com
The illegals don't follow the rules. Thanks for arguing against them
however inadvertantly.
omare...@aol.com
The illegals don't follow the rules. Thanks for arguing against them
however inadvertantly.
>
Jeffrae
Why do you give the illegal free healthcare and tuition then?
Stephan Rothstein
Sam, according to this article, his home of record while in the Marines
was in Monroe, LA. That means the college was right in saying he was not
a Texas resident. Look at who got him the instate residency rate though.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3315505
Steve Rothstein
Sam A. Kersh
Despite being a Texas native, a registered voter and holder of a
state driver's license, a decorated Marine has been denied lower
in-state tuition at a community college because he spent too
much time out of the state while serving two tours of duty in
Iraq.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45825
Steve, there appears to be errors in some of the reporting. The article
I cited agrees with the TV newscast from yesertady.
ben
wrote:
WND seems to be the only source failing to report the correct information,
but that may just be because the article you linked is stale. I haven't
read anything that would convince me that Basham has been treated
unfairly. In fact, the "waiver" that Patterson is trying to get him
really only applies to active duty. It's all moot anyway since the
federal gov't will be paying the tuition either way.
omare...@aol.com
Still having panic attacks because you've been exposed as an
illegal-loving racist, eh? Continue having embolisms.
Sam A. Kersh
ben, even the article Steve cited shows that Basham's official HOR is
Texas and has been for over a year. The article also states he has been
a registered Texas voter since '98, had a vehicle titled in Texas since
2001 plus a valid will filed in Texas.
Now, putting aside your long time contrariness WRT me, what did I post
that is incorrect?
J.C.
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Moot point. He's in.
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Sam A. Kersh
I'm aware of two things,Basham's in and the points were being mooted,
that is, being argued.
Amy Scharzenegger
donald "duck" rumsfeld being ready for a roasting that also tries to
explain how illegal immigration smashed our unions down to lower than
the little babies already were down on their bellies, so low that now
they organize only the illegal aliens and indians on casino
reservations, is all in the ADRIAN REPORT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
http://unemployment_crisis.tripod.com/IMMIGRATION.html
TRY IT ....
amy, the million dollar baby
Rimbaud lives on
was a good read. Thanx.
There is also a very good article in today's New York Times on this
subject.
Jean Cocteau
Golan Mossad Cipel
That would be an admirable way to show true loyalty to the newly
adopted country and also show that one is not here illegally just to
try to steal a job from a fucked over native in a shit economy with
more and more endless downsizing and outsourcing and strikes out of
sheer desperation.
Then our boys and girls could come home and work at WalMart or even
better jobs, if any miraculously opened up, and then form strong
unions, forged in the battlefield together, to get better wages, since
the White House says we are doing so fucking well, might as well, eh???
Great idea!!!!!
Who, by the way, just IS in bed with FANNIE MAE? Is she cute?
Golan Cipel