advice on finding a portrait photographer
Ariel Leigh Melton
I've gotten a divorce, shed a lot of my inhibitions, found someone who
thinks like I do (frightening thought!) and have actually begun to
_enjoy_ having my picture taken, as it delights him so. For the first
time in years I can look at a simple snapshot and not cringe and close
my eyes.
So armed with my new-found courage, I'd like to have a professional
portrait made, and not one of those where you clasp your hands while
sitting on a flower cart sort. Maybe not a full-frontal nude, I'm not
sure if I'm ready for that yet, but along the lines of the luscious
photograph that Dawn French had made in her special a number of years
ago, lying on her stomach on a bed wearing only a smile.
Anyway, my dilemma is this: how do I find a photographer? I had a
TERRIBLE experience with a pro once, he actively humiliated me (he
began by showing me a picture of some very thin woman he had
photographed in the nude and said, "now THIS is a pretty woman"...
gee, thanks) and I NEVER want to go through that again, as back then I
was so meek I just went home and cried, but this time I might get
arrested for assault.
How does one find people who specialize in BBWs, or even tolerate
them? I'm afraid if I just call around and ask, they'll say "oh yeah
sure, I'll photograph anybody", just like that other awful guy did all
those years ago.
I've asked around and other than wedding photos or Olan Mills type
pictures, nobody I know has ever had a professional sitting.
Can someone steer me in the right direction? I'm going to be 45 next
month and this is going to be my present to myself and my sweetie to
celebrate. I really want it to go right this time but I just don't
know how to go about finding the right professional.
I'm in the Atlanta, GA USA area, if anybody has recommendations, but
I'm willing to travel a reasonable distance (say, surrounding states)
if need be.
Any help appreciated!
Leigh
--
Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich. - D. Duck
Hunter
> I've been out of the Usenet loop for a long time. During that hiatus,
> I've gotten a divorce, shed a lot of my inhibitions, found someone who
> thinks like I do (frightening thought!) and have actually begun to
> _enjoy_ having my picture taken, as it delights him so. For the first
> time in years I can look at a simple snapshot and not cringe and close
> my eyes.
>
> So armed with my new-found courage, I'd like to have a professional
> portrait made, and not one of those where you clasp your hands while
> sitting on a flower cart sort. Maybe not a full-frontal nude, I'm not
> sure if I'm ready for that yet, but along the lines of the luscious
> photograph that Dawn French had made in her special a number of years
> ago, lying on her stomach on a bed wearing only a smile.
*hurl*
>
> Anyway, my dilemma is this: how do I find a photographer? I had a
> TERRIBLE experience with a pro once, he actively humiliated me (he
> began by showing me a picture of some very thin woman he had
> photographed in the nude and said, "now THIS is a pretty woman"...
> gee, thanks) and I NEVER want to go through that again, as back then I
> was so meek I just went home and cried, but this time I might get
> arrested for assault.
Truth hurts, huh?
>
> How does one find people who specialize in BBWs,
BBW is an oxymoron.
> or even tolerate
> them? I'm afraid if I just call around and ask, they'll say "oh yeah
> sure, I'll photograph anybody", just like that other awful guy did all
> those years ago.
>
> I've asked around and other than wedding photos or Olan Mills type
> pictures, nobody I know has ever had a professional sitting.
>
> Can someone steer me in the right direction?
*Steer* being the operative word here.
> I'm going to be 45 next
> month and this is going to be my present to myself and my sweetie to
> celebrate. I really want it to go right this time but I just don't
> know how to go about finding the right professional.
>
> I'm in the Atlanta, GA USA area, if anybody has recommendations, but
> I'm willing to travel a reasonable distance (say, surrounding states)
> if need be.
>
> Any help appreciated!
You're welcome.
Gandalf Parker
news:RO17RO6K3915...@anonymous.poster:
> Can someone steer me in the right direction? I'm going to be 45 next
> month and this is going to be my present to myself and my sweetie to
> celebrate. I really want it to go right this time but I just don't
> know how to go about finding the right professional.
When I went overseas my wife got some shots done as posters for my room.
Not full frontal (as you say) but they did get taken down by my first
sergeant.
Usually there are places in the malls that will do glamour shots. Of
course, individually the results might vary but you might try them first.
If that doesnt work then you might look downtown for photography studios
(Im too far away, damn)
Gandalf Parker
Hunter
> Ariel Leigh Melton <leigh...@comcast.net> contributed wisdom to
> news:RO17RO6K3915...@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Can someone steer me in the right direction? I'm going to be 45
> > next month and this is going to be my present to myself and my
> > sweetie to celebrate. I really want it to go right this time but I
> > just don't know how to go about finding the right professional.
>
> When I went overseas my wife got some shots done as posters for my
> room. Not full frontal (as you say) but they did get taken down by
> my first sergeant.
Was this before or after your wife's weight loss surgery?
>
> Usually there are places in the malls that will do glamour shots. Of
> course, individually the results might vary but you might try them
> first. If that doesnt work then you might look downtown for
> photography studios
>
> (Im too far away, damn)
Does your wife know that you have fantasies about photographing fat
women? Now that she has lost a lot of weight through WLS, do you not
find her sexually desirable anymore?
> Gandalf Parker
Shawn Hirn
Check with art galleries in your area to see if they can recommend
someone.
Robin King
news:Xns98F8B4...@207.14.116.130...
> BBW? As in big beautiful woman? Is there such a thing?
Of course. I've seen a few. When you put fat
women in an environment where they are accepted,
you can watch them come to life. They take care
of themselves, they dress smartly, they blossom like
a garden in the spring. Many reach out to others in-
stead of just sinking into themselves. The difference
underscores the extent of prejudice in our society.
Robin
ATP*
"Ariel Leigh Melton" <leigh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RO17RO6K3915...@anonymous.poster...
Robin King
> But they would still be fat, and fat is not beautiful.
To you, maybe. Why do you assume that
everyone shares your particular taste?
> You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
I know, but I talk to the trolls anyway.
Historically, it was not so long ago
that being thin was considered a tragedy,
or laughable. I don't mean the extreme
thinness that might indicate anorexia, but
thinness that you would consider a "normal"
weight.
Robin
Daedalus
That was never the case in any culture and why you continue to
perpetuate that lie is destruction of your credibility and proof of
the harmful effects of FA propaganda on one's brain.
Jade
Naughty Elf
"Ariel Leigh Melton" <leigh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RO17RO6K3915...@anonymous.poster...
Try national Geographic. They got a lot of wildlife photographers with the
panoramic lenses that could get a wildebeast like you pretty lifelike.
Ragnar
> "Robin King" <maplet...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:Yt2Mh.110331
> $as2.95...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
> > "El Trauco" <naughtynaughtynaughty> wrote in message
> >news:Xns98FA9B...@207.14.116.130...
> >> But they would still be fat, and fat is not beautiful.
>
> > To you, maybe. Why do you assume that
> > everyone shares your particular taste?
>
>
> >> You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
>
> > I know, but I talk to the trolls anyway.
>
> > Historically, it was not so long ago
> > that being thin was considered a tragedy,
> > or laughable. I don't mean the extreme
> > thinness that might indicate anorexia, but
> > thinness that you would consider a "normal"
> > weight.
>
> it certainly does not follow that it is considered beautiful.
>
Really? In cultures where fat is a sign of status; that status is
considered desirable and in most cultures desirability certainly does
not go hand in hand with culturally perceived ugliness.
So if this symbol of status (fatness) is not considered attractive or
beautiful, why would the people living in these cultures strive to
achieve a level of status that they find unattractive? Please
explain.
> I guess some people find fatness attractive however it would be because they
> have set their sights to a more realistic level in finding a mate.
So you don't think that there are any individuals out there that are
truly attracted to a rounder, softer or larger partner? I guess your
view of the sexual world is pretty plain vanilla. But then again there
are those that still think the world is still flat.
Adults
> with normal self esteem don't find fatness attractive, they see it as a
> liability in a mate because of additional mediacal costs.
>
Who the hell chooses a mate based upon the economics of what might or
might not happen in the perspective mate's medical history? Is that
how you choose a partner? Most normal people I know and have observed
base their prospects of a mate on compatibility and physical
attraction and not on medical costs. That has to be one of the dumbest
and possibly one of the most mercenary statements anyone has every
uttered in this newsgroup.
Tell me, are you vying for supreme idiot? Because if you are, you will
have to compete against Hunter and in some peoples opinion LV for that
title. I hope you are up for it because it promises to be a tuff
competition.
> ET
Must stand for extraterrestrial, because you sure as shit don't seem
to live on planet Earth.
Ragnar
Lady Veteran
wrote:
>On Mar 22, 12:05 am, El Trauco <naughtynaughtynaughty> wrote:
>> "Robin King" <maplet...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:Yt2Mh.110331
>> $as2.95...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>>
>> > "El Trauco" <naughtynaughtynaughty> wrote in message
>> >news:Xns98FA9B...@207.14.116.130...
>> >> But they would still be fat, and fat is not beautiful.
>Tell me, are you vying for supreme idiot? Because if you are, you will
>have to compete against Hunter and in some peoples opinion LV for that
>title. I hope you are up for it because it promises to be a tuff
>competition.
Ragnar, dahling...the opinion of an idiot is hardly worth the time to
acknowledge it. Please let ET and Hunter fight for it. I will referee
:-)
>
>> ET
>
>Must stand for extraterrestrial, because you sure as shit don't seem
>to live on planet Earth.
I believe it.....I BELEIEVE it.
>
>Ragnar
>
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."
---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
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"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."
---Winston Churchill
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"I can lose weight but you will always be ugly."
---Winston Churchill to Lady Astor
Hunter
> Did you read what I wrote? There are people who are attracted to
> fatties. But only because they haven't got a chance with normal
> sized women. Are you one of those socially inept losers who believes
> fat chicks are somehow sexually attractive?
That is an accurate description of Ragnar.
Ragnar
> beautiful? You are a fool if you believe your stupid and facile argument.
>
"Facile argument"? I'm not sure what you are trying to imply here.
"Facile" means easily done or unconstrained. So if you mean that my
argument was easily put forth, then your use of the word was somewhat
correct. But if your meaning was something else then may I suggest
dictionary.com. But beware, use of that site may actually allow
knowledge to seep into your skull and rot your brain.
BTW dumbass, have you not noticed that in the US most of the so-called
"beautiful people" fall into the upper income brackets. Unfortunately
many people in Western culture do equate beauty with money and fine
living. Face it retard, the rich can afford to make themselves conform
to so-called societal standards of beauty even if their souls are ugly
as fuck. Unfortunately, like it or not, that is the society we have
created and our culture revolves around that notion. Please try to get
your head out of the sand and open your eyes before you spew your
idiocy around like so much fertilizer. I'm not saying money = beauty
it is right, I'm just saying that in many cases that is the
perception. I'm sorry to be the one to have to inform you of this but
current cultural values do influence perceptions such as standards of
beauty and social status. This premise is not rocket science and even
most people with the mentality of a fourth grade child can recognize
this. So why can't you?
Now if you are referring to true physical beauty; that is completely
different because that is in the eye of the beholder and nothing more.
That notion has existed for centuries and crosses all forms of
cultural boundaries. So when it is all boiled down, the fact remains
that your perception of fat people is only your opinion. Although many
may share your opinion it still does not change the fact that it is
only an opinion and not an absolute fact. When it comes to how an
individual perceives physical beauty there are not absolutes.
> >> I guess some people find fatness attractive however it would be because
> >> they have set their sights to a more realistic level in finding a mate.
>
> > So you don't think that there are any individuals out there that are
> > truly attracted to a rounder, softer or larger partner? I guess your
> > view of the sexual world is pretty plain vanilla. But then again there
> > are those that still think the world is still flat.
>
> Did you read what I wrote? There are people who are attracted to fatties.
> But only because they haven't got a chance with normal sized women. Are you
> one of those socially inept losers who believes fat chicks are somehow
> sexually attractive?
>
Did you read what I wrote you moron? Your notion that there are no
individuals that truly prefer a larger partner is completely out of
step with the real world. In your world only people who can't do any
better will sleep with a fat person. But that simply is not true.
Everyone has different preferences when it comes to choosing a sexual
partner. Get with the program dork and realize that there is a wider
world around you than just your narrow juvenile view of it.
My belief of what size woman is attractive only serves to prove that
perceived beauty comes in a wide range of sizes. I'm not bound to any
one type or size of woman. While my tastes do run toward a fuller
figure, I feel that attractiveness is based on the individual and not
numbers on a scale. So if that makes me a "socially inept loser" in
the eyes of a clown like you, then so be it. But answer this question,
who is more of a "socially inept loser" the individual that only
focuses on a narrow fixation of what the standards of beauty should be
or the individual that is more open to the differences in beauty that
the human condition can provide? I know what the correct answer is, do
you?
> > Adults
> >> with normal self esteem don't find fatness attractive, they see it as a
> >> liability in a mate because of additional mediacal costs.
>
> > Who the hell chooses a mate based upon the economics of what might or
> > might not happen in the perspective mate's medical history? Is that
> > how you choose a partner? Most normal people I know and have observed
> > base their prospects of a mate on compatibility and physical
> > attraction and not on medical costs. That has to be one of the dumbest
> > and possibly one of the most mercenary statements anyone has every
> > uttered in this newsgroup.
>
> Nobody chooses a mate solely on economic imperatives, however it is part of
> all mature persons' criteria when looking for a mate. If you say it isn't
> you are a liar. I might add that why on earth would someone choose a fat
> partner who is guaranteed to have health problems, over someone of normal
> weight who is unlikely to have such problems? Of course some people have no
> choice as they are so unattractive themselves that all they can get is a
> fattie. Does that describe you?
>
Granted certain issues such whether or not a perspective mate can hold
down some form of job or whether or not a perspective mate can handle
money responsibly sometimes do play a roll. But your statement of a
mate's viability based on medical cost or history was just flat out
ridiculous and is very telling of the type of person you are. Suppose
you were deeply in love with a perspective mate and there was a
history of cancer in his or her family and there was a chance that
this individual would contract it in their lifetime, would that sway
your decision to remain in the relationship? Would you let something
that might or might not happen ruin your chance at happiness? If so
you are a coward or you are just a cold, calculating, reptilian piece
of filth. Which is it? I suspect both. Bottom line, there are no
guarantees in life.
> > Tell me, are you vying for supreme idiot? Because if you are, you will
> > have to compete against Hunter and in some peoples opinion LV for that
> > title. I hope you are up for it because it promises to be a tuff
> > competition.
>
> Are you defending people's right to be fat? How does that help?
>
OMG, you are vying for the title. Who said or implied anything about
defending a persons right to be fat? I was only comparing you to the
rest of the so-called trolls, kooks and loons that inhabit this group.
Have you always been this slow? Is it some kind of genetic deficiency
that makes you so dense? If so please accept my apologies I had no
idea you were mentally handicapped.
> >> ET
>
> > Must stand for extraterrestrial, because you sure as shit don't seem
> > to live on planet Earth.
>
> Wow. Was that meant to be an insult?
>
Not at all, it was only an observation based on your apparent
cluelessness. I thought that was rather clear. But then again maybe
you are special.
Regards
Ragnar
Robin King
some such. It's not so much the stupidity, it's the willful
I-know-everything-already ignorance he demonstrates.
> >
> > > On Mar 22, 12:05 am, El Trauco <naughtynaughtynaughty> wrote:
> > >> "Robin King" <maplet...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
news:Yt2Mh.110331
> > >> $as2.95...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
> >
> > >> > "El Trauco" <naughtynaughtynaughty> wrote in message
> > >> >news:Xns98FA9B...@207.14.116.130...
> > >> >> But they would still be fat, and fat is not beautiful.
See my initial remark. It's fat that gives a woman her
curves,
such as hips and breasts. It's the ability to gain sufficient weight
that allows a woman to maintain a healthy pregnancy. It's the
fat in a woman's thighs that stores reserve energy for breast-
feeding.
But hey, only losers go for fat women, according to ET,
right?
> > >> > To you, maybe. Why do you assume that
> > >> > everyone shares your particular taste?
> >
> > >> It's not a matter of taste. It's a matter of necessity.
In some cases, yes. A guy with a small penis will
naturally prefer a small woman, whose genitals would
be easier for him to reach.
> > >> > Historically, it was not so long ago
> > >> > that being thin was considered a tragedy,
> > >> > or laughable. I don't mean the extreme
> > >> > thinness that might indicate anorexia, but
> > >> > thinness that you would consider a "normal"
> > >> > weight.
> >
> > >> That's not true at all. In some cultures, being fat is a sign
of status
> > >> but it certainly does not follow that it is considered
beautiful.
Here's a great example of willful ignorance. Unlike our
current crop of trolls, he didn't even ask for cites. I did have a
couple in mind, but where people refuse to learn, I refuse to
teach.
> > So I guess in US culture, where money rules, being rich means you
are
> > beautiful? You are a fool if you believe your stupid and facile
argument.
What the rich and powerful do has also been a sign of
beauty and status. What most people are able to do is not
considered such. Thus it has always been. Look at the world
instead of your tv, and you will be amazed at the variety of
things done by women in various cultures in order to be
considered beautiful.
> > Did you read what I wrote? There are people who are attracted to
fatties.
> > But only because they haven't got a chance with normal sized
women.
Boy, would you be surprised <smirk>.
Are you
> > one of those socially inept losers who believes fat chicks are
somehow
> > sexually attractive?
As opposed to being a socially inept loser who believes
thin chicks are sexually attractive?
Hey, I'm not knocking thin chicks, just socially inept losers
who think they are "all that", whether they prefer fat or thin chicks.
(Hint: Winners prefer women.)
> > > Adults
> > >> with normal self esteem don't find fatness attractive,
Agreed, but many an adult with superior self-esteem
does. They go after what they want, and public opinion be
damned.
they see it as a
> > >> liability in a mate because of additional mediacal costs.
Yeah, and I'm sure you'd refuse to date Britney or Lindsey
because they've acted in a self-destructive way and have run up
big medical bills.
> > Nobody chooses a mate solely on economic imperatives, however it
is part of
> > all mature persons' criteria when looking for a mate.
Yes, and this would definitely explain why guys who are just
looking for a one-night stand choose a thin woman. Try again.
If you say it isn't
> > you are a liar. I might add that why on earth would someone choose
a fat
> > partner who is guaranteed to have health problems, over someone of
normal
> > weight who is unlikely to have such problems?
Hmmm, I would like to meet the person of whatever weight
who is guaranteed not to have health problems at some point. You
are just "excusifying".
Of course some people have no
> > choice as they are so unattractive themselves that all they can
get is a
> > fattie. Does that describe you?
I would be amazed if ET could get himself a self-respecting woman,
fattie or thinnie. I suspect the fattie would be harder to get, as
she's
likely to be wary.
>
> > > Tell me, are you vying for supreme idiot? Because if you are,
you will
> > > have to compete against Hunter and in some peoples opinion LV
for that
> > > title. I hope you are up for it because it promises to be a tuff
> > > competition.
> >
> > Are you defending people's right to be fat? How does that help?
> >
> OMG, you are vying for the title. Who said or implied anything about
> defending a persons right to be fat? I was only comparing you to the
> rest of the so-called trolls, kooks and loons that inhabit this
group.
> Have you always been this slow? Is it some kind of genetic
deficiency
> that makes you so dense? If so please accept my apologies I had no
> idea you were mentally handicapped.
>
> > >> ET
> >
> > > Must stand for extraterrestrial, because you sure as shit don't
seem
> > > to live on planet Earth.
> >
> > Wow. Was that meant to be an insult?
Nah, ET would have to have some emotional intelligence to
be able to be insulted. I don't believe it could be done.
> Not at all, it was only an observation based on your apparent
> cluelessness. I thought that was rather clear. But then again maybe
> you are special.
>
> Regards
> Ragnar
Robin
Ragnar
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:01:11 GMT, "Robin King"
>
> <maplet...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes, and this would definitely explain why guys who are just
> >looking for a one-night stand choose a thin woman. Try again.
>
>
> Robin, you have put forth a lot of your notions in this thread.
>
> What would be your explanation that when the guys go hogging they only
> go after the fat ones?
>
The theory behind the premise of hogging is dubious at best. It's a
biological fact that guys in general are very visual in the sexual
interest department and most guys need to be at least somewhat
visually stimulated to achieve arousal, wither it be through the
actual ocular system or through the minds eye. Now the minds eye on
occasion can be fooled but once actual tactile contact is achieved
with the fat woman a type of sensory conflict or short circuit would
ensue leaving the guy with a limp member.
So that being the case it would stand to reason that guys that
practice hogging are actually aroused by the sight or thought of a fat
chick. Think about it, could you have sex with an individual that you
find visually or tactilely repulsive? I couldn't and wouldn't.
> If you reply by saying that is because the fat ones are the most
> desirable you are on the wrong track. If that were the case all the
> Beauty queens, Playboy Bunnies, and Movie starlets would all be
> fatsos. A great big blob for wife would be detriment for an upcoming
> politician.
>
A fat wife for a politician would only be an issue to those that are
more interested on pop culture and image, rather than actual political
issues and legislative ability. In other words the fat wife issue
would only matter to those that don't matter and those individuals
that western society needs less of.
> Even in the case of prostitutes , the fatsos do not qualify to perform
> for the very high fees.
>
And you are privy to this bit of info because?.....Do you regularly pay
for sex?
Regards
Ragnar
Robin King
news:e4f803loauidj3urr...@4ax.com...
>
> What would be your explanation that when the guys go hogging they
only
> go after the fat ones?
I had said that the medical expense excuse didn't explain one-
night stands.
As for your question, well duh. It's called hogging because
the
guys hit on fat women. I don't know why they do it. My theory is
that they get sexual kicks from degrading a woman. If the woman
in question were thin, they would find some other way to do it.
> If you reply by saying that is because the fat ones are the most
> desirable you are on the wrong track.
Their desirability has nothing to do with it. These guys care
about their peer group, but not about the woman.
If that were the case all the
> Beauty queens, Playboy Bunnies, and Movie starlets would all be
> fatsos. A great big blob for wife would be detriment for an
upcoming
> politician.
You're arguing from a false premise. Besides, you don't have
to be a "great big blob" to be considered too fat. These days, even
a woman with a BMI of 26 is considered overweight.
> Even in the case of prostitutes , the fatsos do not qualify to
perform
> for the very high fees.
Neither do the thin ones, when they get past a certain age.
What's your point? Do you think it has to be either all fat people
or all thin people? Or is it that fat people can't coast through life
on their looks and thus have to develop social and remunerative
skills to get on?
> Jan
Robin
Ragnar
> On 23 Mar 2007 15:28:34 -0700, "Ragnar" <Ragnarsgh...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 23, 4:57 pm, Jan wrote:
> >> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:01:11 GMT, "Robin King"
>
> >> <maplet...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Yes, and this would definitely explain why guys who are just
> >> >looking for a one-night stand choose a thin woman. Try again.
>
> >> >Robin
>
> >> Robin, you have put forth a lot of your notions in this thread.
>
> >> What would be your explanation that when the guys go hogging they only
> >> go after the fat ones?
>
> > The theory behind the premise of hogging is dubious at best. It's a
> >biological fact that guys in general are very visual in the sexual
> >interest department and most guys need to be at least somewhat
> >visually stimulated to achieve arousal, wither it be through the
> >actual ocular system or through the minds eye. Now the minds eye on
> >occasion can be fooled but once actual tactile contact is achieved
> >with the fat woman a type of sensory conflict or short circuit would
> >ensue leaving the guy with a limp member.
>
> >So that being the case it would stand to reason that guys that
> >practice hogging are actually aroused by the sight or thought of a fat
> >chick. Think about it, could you have sex with an individual that you
> >find visually or tactilely repulsive? I couldn't and wouldn't.
>
>
> A young guy is horny. His testosterone levels are high. His hormones
> are telling him "he needs to do it". Its the "Any old port in a storm
> syndrome. "Its Somebody hold it's head and I will screw that snake"
>
Not all young guys, only the pigs that have absolutely no respect for
themselves or others.
> Ask any ole farm boy, Ragnar. He could give you loads abiut sex
> education while living on the farm.
>
Really, what stories do you have? You been diddlin them chickens
again?
> Yes Ragnar, , if the guy is drunk enough, horny enough, and drunk
> enough he will mount one of these blobs. Even if she does smell
> really bad. If he is drunk enough.
> Afterwards he may make a lot of apologies --- to himself.
> Like "How could I have ever had sex with THAT?" " Damn I've got to cut
> down on the booze"
>
> Jason- Hide quoted text -
In most cases you are wrong. Any guy hammered enough to forget that he
finds his perspective sexual partner repulsive has usually consumed
enough alcohol to make sexual performance all but impossible. I find
it rather hard to believe that you are this poorly informed. Sorry to
say but most of your argument sounds like it comes from the men are
scum feminist handbook.
Besides guys that claim to be into hogging usually go out with the
express desire to make it with a fat girl because they perceive them
as easy and alcohol is only used as a convenient excuse when their
friends call them on their poor behavior. I'm guessing you are
familiar with the use of this all too convenient excuse.
Regards
Ragnar
Ragnar
> "Ragnar" <Ragnarsgh...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1174688914.243488.65660
> @l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 23, 4:57 pm, Jan wrote:
> >> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:01:11 GMT, "Robin King"
>
> >> <maplet...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Yes, and this would definitely explain why guys who are just
> >> >looking for a one-night stand choose a thin woman. Try again.
>
> >> >Robin
>
> >> Robin, you have put forth a lot of your notions in this thread.
>
> >> What would be your explanation that when the guys go hogging they only
> >> go after the fat ones?
>
> > The theory behind the premise of hogging is dubious at best. It's a
> > biological fact that guys in general are very visual in the sexual
> > interest department and most guys need to be at least somewhat
> > visually stimulated to achieve arousal, wither it be through the
> > actual ocular system or through the minds eye. Now the minds eye on
> > occasion can be fooled but once actual tactile contact is achieved
> > with the fat woman a type of sensory conflict or short circuit would
> > ensue leaving the guy with a limp member.
>
> > So that being the case it would stand to reason that guys that
> > practice hogging are actually aroused by the sight or thought of a fat
> > chick. Think about it, could you have sex with an individual that you
> > find visually or tactilely repulsive? I couldn't and wouldn't.
>
> premise.
>
Wrong again dumbass. The premise of hogging is to attempt to get laid
while avoiding the humiliation of getting shot down. Please try and
keep up if you are going to continue this conversation.
> >> If you reply by saying that is because the fat ones are the most
> >> desirable you are on the wrong track. If that were the case all the
> >> Beauty queens, Playboy Bunnies, and Movie starlets would all be
> >> fatsos. A great big blob for wife would be detriment for an upcoming
> >> politician.
>
> > A fat wife for a politician would only be an issue to those that are
> > more interested on pop culture and image, rather than actual political
> > issues and legislative ability. In other words the fat wife issue
> > would only matter to those that don't matter and those individuals
> > that western society needs less of.
>
> A fat person is someone who has no self control. That's a bad look in a
> poltician's spouse.
>
Thank you for proving my point. you really are useless.
> >> Even in the case of prostitutes , the fatsos do not qualify to perform
> >> for the very high fees.
>
> > And you are privy to this bit of info because?.....Do you regularly pay
> > for sex?
>
> You like chubbers, you tell us.- Hide quoted text -
>
No, I like women and what does that have to do with the rates pros
charge opposed to their wieght?
Ragnar
Ragnar
> "Hunter" <hun...@no-one.org> wrote innews:4603a8fe$1...@x-privat.org:
>
> Fat people are not inherently sexually attractive.
>
Do you think of everyone in terms of stereotypes? Because if you do,
you really need to get out more.
Ragnar
Ragnar
> facile and then check back.
>
> > BTW dumbass, have you not noticed that in the US most of the so-called
> > "beautiful people" fall into the upper income brackets. Unfortunately
> > many people in Western culture do equate beauty with money and fine
> > living. Face it retard, the rich can afford to make themselves conform
> > to so-called societal standards of beauty even if their souls are ugly
> > as fuck. Unfortunately, like it or not, that is the society we have
> > created and our culture revolves around that notion. Please try to get
> > your head out of the sand and open your eyes before you spew your
> > idiocy around like so much fertilizer. I'm not saying money = beauty
> > it is right, I'm just saying that in many cases that is the
> > perception. I'm sorry to be the one to have to inform you of this but
> > current cultural values do influence perceptions such as standards of
> > beauty and social status. This premise is not rocket science and even
> > most people with the mentality of a fourth grade child can recognize
> > this. So why can't you?
>
> you poor and fat. Are you girlfriends poor and fat? I bet they have great
> "personalities", *wink*.
>
Bitter? yeah right everyone should be as bitter as me. As far as I'm
concerned life is pretty damn good. Can you say the same?
> > Now if you are referring to true physical beauty; that is completely
> > different because that is in the eye of the beholder and nothing more.
> > That notion has existed for centuries and crosses all forms of
> > cultural boundaries. So when it is all boiled down, the fact remains
> > that your perception of fat people is only your opinion. Although many
> > may share your opinion it still does not change the fact that it is
> > only an opinion and not an absolute fact. When it comes to how an
> > individual perceives physical beauty there are not absolutes.
>
> But we all know what ugly is, right?
>
Do we know what ugly is? What's ugly to you may not be ugly to your
neighbor. I don't think you really understand my post.
>
>
>
>
> >> >> I guess some people find fatness attractive however it would be
> >> >> because they have set their sights to a more realistic level in
> >> >> finding a mate.
>
> >> > So you don't think that there are any individuals out there that are
> >> > truly attracted to a rounder, softer or larger partner? I guess your
> >> > view of the sexual world is pretty plain vanilla. But then again
> >> > there are those that still think the world is still flat.
>
> >> Did you read what I wrote? There are people who are attracted to
> >> fatties. But only because they haven't got a chance with normal sized
> >> women. Are you one of those socially inept losers who believes fat
> >> chicks are somehow sexually attractive?
>
> > Did you read what I wrote you moron? Your notion that there are no
> > individuals that truly prefer a larger partner is completely out of
> > step with the real world. In your world only people who can't do any
> > better will sleep with a fat person. But that simply is not true.
> > Everyone has different preferences when it comes to choosing a sexual
> > partner. Get with the program dork and realize that there is a wider
> > world around you than just your narrow juvenile view of it.
>
> I believe some people genuinely believe they are attracted to fat people. I
> outlined the reasons why that might be. I notice you didn't answer my
> question, so it must be true of you.
>
> > My belief of what size woman is attractive only serves to prove that
> > perceived beauty comes in a wide range of sizes. I'm not bound to any
> > one type or size of woman. While my tastes do run toward a fuller
> > figure, I feel that attractiveness is based on the individual and not
> > numbers on a scale. So if that makes me a "socially inept loser" in
> > the eyes of a clown like you, then so be it. But answer this question,
> > who is more of a "socially inept loser" the individual that only
> > focuses on a narrow fixation of what the standards of beauty should be
> > or the individual that is more open to the differences in beauty that
> > the human condition can provide? I know what the correct answer is, do
> > you?
>
> Who said my tastes are narrow? I like tall or short, dark or light skinned,
> long or short hair, etc etc.
>
> The point is, beautiful women through the ages have all been strikingly
> similar. Looking at images of beautiful women from centuries, decades or
> years ago it strikes you that they are still beautiful. And none of them
> are fat. Incredible, huh? The consensus of men throughout the ages is that
> thin = beautiful and fat = ugly.
>
Ok, if beautiful women throughout the centuries are strikingly similar
and beauty has always been equated with thinness, then explain baroque
era artwork. The women in paintings from that era are generally
portrayed as fat chicks and were considered beautiful. I think you are
one of the many individuals out there that want to believe that our
current cultural standards are the same standards that were used in
the past. This of course is laughable. Because if you actually studied
real past images and artwork portraying so-called beautiful woman you
would not be able to make that statement while maintaining a straight
face Most historians will acknowledge that cultural standards of
beauty have been in flux to some degree or another throughout history.
Your statement regarding historical standards of beauty leads me to
believe that you are the kind of person that believes they can learn
history from watching historical fiction produced in Hollywood. Got
anymore good jokes?
> Cancer is not something someone has any control over, dummy.
>
IDIOT! We were discussing the likelihood of increased medical cost
affecting a person's decision to choose a mate. It doesn't matter what
that likelihood stems from you dumb shit. The cancer analogy was only
used as a comparison because the premise is the same. It doesn't
matter if you have control over it or not! The potential for increased
medical costs are the same. Your defense of your previous moronic
statement regarding potential medical costs affecting a person's
choice of a mate is really getting tiresome. Especially since you seem
to be incapable of following the logical progression of the argument.
> >> > Tell me, are you vying for supreme idiot? Because if you are, you
> >> > will have to compete against Hunter and in some peoples opinion LV
> >> > for that title. I hope you are up for it because it promises to be a
> >> > tuff competition.
>
> >> Are you defending people's right to be fat? How does that help?
>
> > OMG, you are vying for the title. Who said or implied anything about
> > defending a persons right to be fat? I was only comparing you to the
> > rest of the so-called trolls, kooks and loons that inhabit this group.
> > Have you always been this slow? Is it some kind of genetic deficiency
> > that makes you so dense? If so please accept my apologies I had no
> > idea you were mentally handicapped.
>
> Wow! I disagree with you and now I am mentally handicapped! Do you know the
> term ad hominem?
>
No, No, No, wrong again dumbass. I merely surmised you are mentally
challenged because of your apparent inability to read and comprehend.
I'm sorry if you still don't get it.
Ragnar
Ragnar
> bonus.
>
I'm happy to provide you with that bonus. At least now you can claim
some form of social interaction other that the stimulation you receive
from living with mommy and daddy.
> >> > Now if you are referring to true physical beauty; that is completely
> >> > different because that is in the eye of the beholder and nothing
> >> > more. That notion has existed for centuries and crosses all forms of
> >> > cultural boundaries. So when it is all boiled down, the fact remains
> >> > that your perception of fat people is only your opinion. Although
> >> > many may share your opinion it still does not change the fact that it
> >> > is only an opinion and not an absolute fact. When it comes to how an
> >> > individual perceives physical beauty there are not absolutes.
>
> >> But we all know what ugly is, right?
>
> > Do we know what ugly is? What's ugly to you may not be ugly to your
> > neighbor. I don't think you really understand my post.
>
> I'm talking about universally ugly. Like an ugly building. Like a fat
> person only their mother could love.
>
You still don't get it, do you? You seem to be unable to understand
that opinion does not equal fact and what is ugly or beautiful to you
may not be the same for everyone else. Why is this simple concept so
hard for you to understand? Did you live under power lines as a child?
> I have studied art. Baroque era artwork of women is of women with status,
> who were fat. Nothing about them being beautiful. You obviously haven't
> studied art, have you?
>
Your above statement proves that while you may have studied art you
sure as hell didn't learn anything about at. Baroque art is a function
of the religious and social upheaval that took place during the
Reformation. It combines ecclesiastical concepts with eroticism and
basic straightforward imagery to produce a visceral response from the
viewer. Most of the imagery is depicted in broad dramatic terms with
exaggerated poses and body positions. Women in general are also
depicted as plump, fat and round. During this time period extra weight
was view as desirable in a woman for perceived reasons of health and
fertility. Figures depicted in such a manner are quite common and
especially numerous in Flemish Baroque era art. Rueben's "Venus
Looking into a Mirror or "The assumption of the Virgin" illustrate
this very well. Do you really think that the artist was only depicting
Venus, the Roman Goddess of love and beauty or the Virgin Mary as fat
ugly fat women of a certain social status? Are you kidding me?
I can easily see that you really have no idea what you are talking
about because to you Baroque artists such as Vermeer, Rembrandt,
Rueben and Renoir were just really into painting ugly fat socialites.
You really are dumb as dirt.
May I suggest a visit to your local Library were you will find all
sorts of knowledge hidden in books on this and numerous other
subjects. All one has to do is open one of these books and READ.
> So you are denying that obesity is something a person has no control over?
>
Control over one weight is not the issue.
Do you have ADHD? Your inability to follow up or defend your own
argument suggests that you do. I'll try this one more time. The issue
is, would the potential of a perspective mates higher than normal
medical costs sway your opinion on choosing that person as a
perspective mate. There is nothing in the equation regarding personal
responsibility or control over ones circumstance. Have you got that
now? If you can't defend your previous ridiculous statement then just
drop the subject entirely. I will not hold it against you; I already
know you are not competent.
Regards
Ragnar
Ragnar
>
Wrong, again loser, that's not the primary purpose. The primary
purpose is to get laid while hopefully limiting the hassle of a public
rejection. Remember, to people who believe in stereotypes fat chicks
are easy.The humiliation factor only comes into play for certain
sickos that derive pleasure from emotionally scaring other people they
feel superior to.
I suspect that you of all people should understand the horror of
public rejection by a woman. Because if your appearance matches your
soul, I'm sure rejection is a common problem for you.
BTW if you are into the humiliation aspect of sexual fetishes then you
should seek interaction elsewhere. Most fat women you will find here
aren't into it.
>
>
>
>
> >> >> If you reply by saying that is because the fat ones are the most
> >> >> desirable you are on the wrong track. If that were the case all the
> >> >> Beauty queens, Playboy Bunnies, and Movie starlets would all be
> >> >> fatsos. A great big blob for wife would be detriment for an
> >> >> upcoming politician.
>
> >> > A fat wife for a politician would only be an issue to those that are
> >> > more interested on pop culture and image, rather than actual
> >> > political issues and legislative ability. In other words the fat wife
> >> > issue would only matter to those that don't matter and those
> >> > individuals that western society needs less of.
>
> >> A fat person is someone who has no self control. That's a bad look in a
> >> poltician's spouse.
>
> > Thank you for proving my point. you really are useless.
>
> So you believe fat women have no control over their obesity? Maybe you
> believe it's a "lifestyle choice"?
>
Hey, for some obesity may be a lifestyle choice, some people actually
don't really give a rat's ass what they weigh or what others think of
them. Imagine that.
> >> >> Even in the case of prostitutes , the fatsos do not qualify to
> >> >> perform for the very high fees.
>
> >> > And you are privy to this bit of info because?.....Do you regularly
> >> > pay for sex?
>
> >> You like chubbers, you tell us.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > No, I like women and what does that have to do with the rates pros
> > charge opposed to their wieght?
>
> Supply and demand?- Hide quoted text -
>
I'm pretty sure economics is not your forte either. Stick to what you
know, which is almost nothing.
Regards
Ragnar
Ragnar
> "Ragnar" <Ragnarsgh...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1174790256.234955.115850
> @d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
Some are and some aren't, the same can be said for thinner woman. What
kind of a dumbass question was that?
Ragnar
Ragnar
I'm sorry for your loss.
>
> >> >> > Now if you are referring to true physical beauty; that is
> >> >> > completely different because that is in the eye of the beholder
> >> >> > and nothing more. That notion has existed for centuries and
> >> >> > crosses all forms of cultural boundaries. So when it is all boiled
> >> >> > down, the fact remains that your perception of fat people is only
> >> >> > your opinion. Although many may share your opinion it still does
> >> >> > not change the fact that it is only an opinion and not an absolute
> >> >> > fact. When it comes to how an individual perceives physical beauty
> >> >> > there are not absolutes.
>
> >> >> But we all know what ugly is, right?
>
> >> > Do we know what ugly is? What's ugly to you may not be ugly to your
> >> > neighbor. I don't think you really understand my post.
>
> >> I'm talking about universally ugly. Like an ugly building. Like a fat
> >> person only their mother could love.
>
> > You still don't get it, do you? You seem to be unable to understand
> > that opinion does not equal fact and what is ugly or beautiful to you
> > may not be the same for everyone else. Why is this simple concept so
> > hard for you to understand? Did you live under power lines as a child?
>
> Yep.
Yep what? You did live under powerlines as a child or you still don't
get it? Which is it?
That's why they use any old person as a model, or actress, because no-
> one can tell the difference, right?
>
It's really amazing how you keep falling back on your own stupidity
and the same old tired argument. Have you never heard of plus sized
models and have you never seen a plump or fat actress before? You
really need to try harder to get your point across.
BTW, whom are you refering to when you use the term "they"?
> Not too confident to use the word "beautiful" in that paragraph are you? We
> all know why. Even you don't believe, in your heart, that fat chicks are
> beautiful.
>
If I didn't believe in what I believe do you really think I would be
wasting time arguing with a troll like you?
> > I can easily see that you really have no idea what you are talking
> > about because to you Baroque artists such as Vermeer, Rembrandt,
> > Rueben and Renoir were just really into painting ugly fat socialites.
> > You really are dumb as dirt.
>
> Are you serious? Wow, you haven't studied much, have you? I suggest you do
> a Google search on those artists you mention.
>
> > May I suggest a visit to your local Library were you will find all
> > sorts of knowledge hidden in books on this and numerous other
> > subjects. All one has to do is open one of these books and READ.
>
> As I suggest to you. Rembrandt is a Reformation artist? BWAHAHAHAHA!!
>
No Rembrandt is a Dutch Baroque artist and the Baroque period stemmed
from and had its roots in the Reformation. Is your reading
comprehension that bad?
> Yes it is.
>
WRONG
> > Do you have ADHD? Your inability to follow up or defend your own
> > argument suggests that you do. I'll try this one more time. The issue
> > is, would the potential of a perspective mates higher than normal
> > medical costs sway your opinion on choosing that person as a
> > perspective mate.
>
> Yes, as it would anybody except you, apparently.
>
"Nobody chooses a mate solely on economic imperatives".....Your words
not mine. You truly are a hopeless coward.
> > There is nothing in the equation regarding personal
> > responsibility or control over ones circumstance. Have you got that
> > now? If you can't defend your previous ridiculous statement then just
> > drop the subject entirely. I will not hold it against you; I already
> > know you are not competent.
>
> Rembrandt only painted fat chicks. Right?
>
Never said or claimed that Rembrandt ONLY painted fat chicks. Reading
comprehension hard?
Regards
Ragnar
Shawn Hirn
Ariel Leigh Melton <leigh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm in the Atlanta, GA USA area, if anybody has recommendations, but
> I'm willing to travel a reasonable distance (say, surrounding states)
> if need be.
Ask friends, business associates, and relatives who live in your area.