Is a person’s weight really a reliable indicator of overall health?
Robin King
rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
“Why is it such a stretch of the imagination,” [Stephen Blair] said,
“to consider that someone overweight or obese might actually be
healthy and fit?”
Robin
The Master
> Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
> rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
> to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
Oh shit... Now you did it... Not only did you post an article that asked
the question, but it's from a news source that most people identify as
having more legitimacy then your average web reference.
The Master
>> Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
>> rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
>> to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
>
> Robin- You have long been one of Lady Veteran's supporters. Now
> that she is in need of some material help are going you going to give
> her your actual material support or will you prove to be only a
> weather friend. Lady Veteran's desire is to start up her own
> staffing agency but is in need of some backers who will put up the
> venture capital. Do you believe in her enough to invest in her plan?
Joe:
That has got to be the most skilled changing of the topic I have ever
seen. I need to commend you on how slick you were in it's presentation.
The only detraction was your forgetting "fair" in the phrase "fair weather
friend". Otherwise, flawless... I'd give it a 9.75
Ragnar
wrote:
I disagree, it wasn’t that skilled. On the contrary it was predictable
and expected. Robin posted a link to a legitimate topic for discussion
and a parasitic troll tried to change it into a diatribe about LV and
her alleged personal problems.
It was a pathetic attempt at diversion at best.
Ragnar
The Master
>> That has got to be the most skilled changing of the topic I have ever
>> seen. I need to commend you on how slick you were in it's presentation.
>> The only detraction was your forgetting "fair" in the phrase "fair weather
>> friend". Otherwise, flawless... I'd give it a 9.75
>
> I disagree, it wasn’t that skilled. On the contrary it was predictable
> and expected.
I didn't say it was original. But it's presentation was smoother then
what is normally seen. I gave him a 9.75 for execution, but I agree that
difficulty was around a 6.
Emu
> Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
>rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
>to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
>
You got us there. How many gold medals did she win in the Olympics?
Robin King
news:200808242137...@outpost.zedz.net...
Why not ask the troll who crossposted this and changed the
reference from
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/health/19well.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&referer=sphere_related_content&referer=sphere_related_content&oref=slogin
?
Robin
rdu...@pdq.net
> Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
> rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
> to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
>
>
> “Why is it such a stretch of the imagination,” [Stephen Blair] said,
> “to consider that someone overweight or obese might actually be
> healthy and fit?”
>
> Robin
In order to correctly assess such articles always ask two questions.
First, what happens in the future to fat bodies vs thinner ones?
Because a simple freeze-frame picture does not show all of the issues
involved. If two people in their early thirties, one fat and one
thinner, both do not have diabetes/hypertension/joint problems - fine
- but where will they be 15 years later? Not much doubt as to the
answer - the fat one will have the T2 DM, etc.. And if you comparded
two 50 year olds, one fattter and the other thinner, ask yourself what
they were like 15 years before. The fat one almost certainly was a lot
less fat back then. If abdominal fat is a sort of chronic poison, as
Doctors generally believe, the length of exposure is an all imp[ortant
variable and must be taken into account.
THe second question is based on the fact that it is much easier for
thin people to be fit than fatter ones. Any kind of movement and or
working out invloves a lot less stress without an over-burden of fatty
tissue. So, what is the difference in motivation if they are "equally
fit?" That is an extreme case of comparing apples to oranges, imho. A
truly fit fat person must be quite dedicated to working out. People
like that also tend to take their BP meds on time and do a lot of
other things concientiously. When such people exist, they are also
likely to be on the road to escaping from obesity if they keep at it.
But consider someone these days who is thin and not fit - given the
extreme sedentariness of the average lifestyle. They must be smokers
or meth-heads.
Accepting looking like you are pregnant when you are not is one of the
worst ideas in the history of bad ideas.
jenius
> Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
> rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
> to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
>
>
> “Why is it such a stretch of the imagination,” [Stephen Blair] said,
> “to consider that someone overweight or obese might actually be
> healthy and fit?”
>
> Robin
how right on is this article? year after year, i get my physical and
am pronunuced fit, except for my weight. for a 50 something woman,
thats not too bad. I do have arthritis, and spondeloslethesis, but my
much skinnier sister has arthritis too and the other problem is the
result of many years of hard work,( so much for the theory that fat
people are lazy). Any one whos interested can come on down to the gym
and witness my workout, maybe we can have a bench off. I can bench
120 pounds in spite of my disability. thanx robin. jenius
jenius
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, "Robin King" <maplet...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
> >rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
> >to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0leLrjA20xo
>
> You got us there. How many gold medals did she win in the Olympics?
how can your question be relevant in any way? its not about medals,
its about fitness. take that head out of the sand, Emu. jenius
Christopher Helms
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, "Robin King" <maplet...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
> >rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
> >to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0leLrjA20xo
>
> You got us there. How many gold medals did she win in the Olympics?
You can't be waddling around, blown up like the Bullwinkle float in
The Macy's Parade and calling yourself fit at the same time. She's
obviously not exercising enough to deal with the cookies, peanut
butter M&M's, Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby and Double bacon and cheese
Whoppers that must surely be lurking around in her "diet." "Eating
routine" is probably a more accurate term than "diet," since she's not
even trying to diet. You don't just get John Candy fat without people
knowing you by your first name down at the Dairy Queen. There has to
be slack either on the eating side or the moving around side. It's
obviously both in her case, even though I'm not really faulting her
for being a disgusting butterball. We live in a land where fattening
food is widely, easily available and usually pretty damned cheap. It's
easy to succumb to temptation. In some cases over and over and over
again, obviously. But we should keep the term "Fit" out of this. She's
obviously making pretty regular trips to Bob Evans, The Outback
Steakhouse or someplace(s) that are nullifying whatever limited good
those trips to the gym are doing her. She's a tub and there's no
getting around it.
She's not fit. Let's not delude ourselves, that's all I'm saying.
Christopher Helms
> > Out of sympathy for the trolls, who have not had Lady Veteran to
> >rag on for a few days (they are going through withdrawal and starting
> >to troll each other!), here is an on-topic article:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0leLrjA20xo
>
> You got us there. How many gold medals did she win in the Olympics?
If there was a 100 meter freestyle with a huge Fishermans Platter,
hushpuppies, slaw and a two liter bottle of ice cold Pepsi waiting at
the end, she'd beat Michael Phelps like a redheaded stepchild.
terryc
> You can't be waddling around, blown up like the Bullwinkle float in
> The Macy's Parade and calling yourself fit at the same time.
Probably got a fitter brain than yours moron.
Fit for whayt?