Family Pets: Victims of Hard Economic Times
B Richardson
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Family Pets: Victims of Hard Economic Times
May 26th, 2008
The recent U.S. economic downturn has caused people to reduce their
discretionary spending on things such as restaurants, clothing, and
recreation, and falling home prices have led to foreclosures, builder
bankruptcy, and loss of jobs in construction and mortgage brokerage firms.
It has also created a new wave of pets who have lost their homes as a
result of abandonment by their owners.
The abandonment (which is illegal) or relinquishment of an animal by its
owner during a move is nothing new; most shelters house a large number of
animals whose owners moved and didn’t or wouldn’t take their pets with
them. To those who support shelters, this is one of the more infuriating
reasons for relinquishing a pet.
The working assumption among shelter workers and responsible animal lovers
has always been that the only acceptable reasons for a move to create a
homeless pet are if the person’s “move” is to a nursing home, cemetery, or
prison, or if the person is serving in the military or is transferred
overseas for work. In other words, you just don’t move to a new apartment
or home that doesn’t allow pets. You don’t travel the world and give your
pets to a shelter.
But two new reasons for relinquishing or abandoning pets have been cited
more frequently in recent months. Some people can no longer afford the cost
of keeping them, and others are being evicted from their homes.
The statistics on these two events vary widely by communities, even when
communities are experiencing similar rates of foreclosure. The Anti-Cruelty
Society in Chicago reported that the number of animals turned in for
“moving” reasons is actually down from a year ago. A vet at a southern
Florida shelter reports an increase in surrendered pets of about 5%. The
Sacramento ASPCA reported 100 more animals were turned in for
moving-related reasons for the first four months of 2008 as compared with
2007; overall, surrenders in Sacramento have increased by 20%. Pets left in
abandoned homes and backyards or set free to roam the neighborhood have
been reported in upscale communities such as the country club area of
Anthem, Ariz.
Tightening budgets
Many well-meaning people adopt pets without really understanding the full
cost of the animals’ food and medical needs. They may be able to get by
when they are doing well economically, but the rising cost of necessities
or the loss of a paycheck may put the owner in the position of choosing
between feeding their children or feeding their dogs. Animal hospitals say
that even in good economic times, an illness that is expensive to treat
will in some cases lead to the relinquishment or even the euthanasia of the
animal. The combination of an expensive pet illness with a reduced
purchasing power or no paycheck is a recipe for disaster for many animals.
When we think of abandoned pets, we think most often of dogs, cats, and
perhaps other small animals. However, the animal that seems to be the most
adversely affected regarding both maintenance and housing is the horse. In
the best of times, horses are often subject to neglect because of the high
cost of their maintenance, so when the price of feed doubles and owners’
paychecks are being stretched by higher fuel prices, higher food prices,
and the like, the consequences for horses can be devastating. Imagine the
even greater catastrophe when the land the horses are kept on goes through
foreclosure: Where exactly are the horses supposed to live?
When people lose their homes they have many problems to worry about. What
to do with possessions, where to live, and where the children will go to
school are all legitimate, major concerns. Many people, simply hoping that
the worst won’t happen, fail to do any advance planning. Some people may
find themselves in situations in which they cannot secure rental housing
that allows pets, they cannot afford the often exorbitant pet security
deposits required for some housing, or they have to live with friends or
relatives who are unable or unwilling to accommodate pets.
Steps to take when money is scarcer
In addition to cutting discretionary costs, look for ways to save money on
pet care without putting your pets at risk.
If your pet is on expensive maintenance medications, have a candid
discussion with your vet as to ways to save money on them or perhaps use
less-expensive drugs.
If your pet needs routine care, consider looking for a low-cost clinic
rather than your convenient (and more expensive) vet.
See if your community has any pet food pantries. Some shelters offer free
or reduced-price food to people whose incomes are limited.
Preparing for eviction or foreclosure
If you are in the process of foreclosure you are probably overwhelmed and
in a state of shock. Here are a few things you can do to prepare:
Look for housing that will accept an animal. Most rescue shelters have a
list of pet-friendly housing in the area; contact them early so you have
time to search.
Contact relatives and/or friends who like your pets. They may be willing to
take them on temporarily while you get on your feet, or they may be able to
help you find new, permanent homes for them.
If you are moving in with relatives or friends who don’t want you to bring
your pets, talk to them about a compromise, such as restricting the animal
to certain areas of the temporary quarters. Your pet may not be happy with
the restrictions, but an unhappy dog is better than an abandoned or
euthanized dog.
Talk to your local shelter. Many times the “no kill” shelters are full, so
you may have to relinquish the pet to a shelter that does euthanize. This
is still preferable to some alternatives that people are choosing.
Eviction and foreclosure: What you must not do
Do not abandon your animals in the house. People who do this are probably
hoping that some nice realtor will find the animal and take care of it or
find it a new home. The reality is much grimmer. When a house is foreclosed
on, it is often inaccessible for a period of weeks. This means that your
animal is in an empty house with no food or water, slowly dying. By the
time anyone inspects the property your pet may be dead or have suffered
irreparable damage.
Do not turn your animals loose in the neighborhood, a forest preserve, or a
rural area. Your animal will not be able to survive on his own. He’ll be
subject to starvation, attacks from wild animals, and attacks from other
domesticated animals whose territory he invades, not to mention getting hit
by cars or being injured as a result of living outdoors. And if your pet is
picked up by the municipal animal shelter, he has an even lower chance of
being placed than if you had relinquished him, because he won’t have
medical records and the shelter won’t know that your dog or cat is gentle,
good with kids, likes other dogs and cats, etc.
Eviction and foreclosure: How to be a good neighbor
If you have neighbors who are losing their home, you can help in several
ways.
Check with your neighbors and ask if they have made arrangements for their
pets.
If the dislocation is temporary, perhaps you can offer to foster the pets
until the family gets set up in a new home. If you have a neighborhood
association, you might be able to arrange for several neighbors to share
the responsibility of caring for or re-homing the pets.
If you are fond of one of the pets, you may be able to arrange to adopt the
pet from the current owners. Just make sure you get a bill of sale (animals
are property under the law) so that the neighbor can’t demand the animal
back later on.
If your finances allow it, you can try making a generous donation to a
no-kill shelter to help secure a place for a friend or neighbor’s pet that
you know could find a great new home if given the chance.
If the animal is a purebred or even a mixed-breed who has clear
characteristics of a particular breed, help your neighbor to contact
breed-specific rescues to see if anyone can take the animal.
Check empty homes and their yards for abandoned pets. If you see any,
contact your local authorities to come and get the animals.
If you see unfamiliar animals roaming, contact the authorities to come and
get them. If you know the animal, you may want to take the animal in
temporarily and try to re-home him yourself.
If you say your pets are members of your family, then make sure that you
treat them accordingly. This means that finding a safe home for your pets
is second only to securing a safe home for your human family members. Your
pets’ well-being should come before the disposition of your car, your
furniture, or any other material objects. After all, they’re family, and
they depend on you for everything. Don’t let them down.
—Andrea Toback
1800petm...@gmail.com
even flea and tick preventatives, to use one of the pet med companies
on the internet. 1800PetMeds.com generally has much better prices
than your vet by far and will match or beat any advertised price.
Plus, you can even use 1800PetMeds.com coupon code "WEEK" to save 10%
off your entire order, keeping that much more money in your own
pocket.
Mark Shaw
> One way you can cut costs is to make sure, if they need medication or
> even flea and tick preventatives, to use one of the pet med companies
Have you subhumans no shame at all?
Gaah.
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Mark Shaw (And Baron) moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm
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"Dogs love their friends and bite their enemies, quite unlike people, who
are incapable of pure love and always have to mix love and hate."
- Sigmund Freud
the.longest.use...@gmail.com
> In rec.pets.dogs.behavior imafilthyspam...@gmail.com wrote:
> > One way you can cut costs is to make sure, if they need medication or
> > even flea and tick preventatives, to use one of the pet med companies
> > on the internet. imafilthyspammer.com generally has much better prices
>
> Have you subhumans no shame at all?
>
> Gaah.
>
Apparently not. Personally, I like to buy my meds from my Vet because
they cut so much off my bill as is that I don't mind them keeping at
least one easy revenue generator on there. Their procedural costs are
always very fair, and if I have anything actually done during a visit
they drop the appointment fee.
Nick
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
shaw, you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin dog abusing
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE, FRAUD an
SCAM ARTIST and dismal failure as a electronics engineer
cum illegal doggy day care operator,
"Mark Shaw" <ms...@bangnetcom.com> wrote in message
news:g93jig$kb0$1...@reader1.panix.com...
> In rec.pets.dogs.behavior imafilth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 800petme...@gmail.com Wrote:
>> One way you can cut costs is to make sure, if they
>> need medication or even flea and tick preventatives,
He's SELLIN toxic veterinary maltreatments, marquis <{}: ~ ( >
>> to use one of the pet med companies on the internet.
>> imafilthyspammer.com generally has much better prices
Perhaps folks should be EDUCATED as to the RISKS
of usin veterinary apuproved POISONS on their dogs,
marquis?
> Have you subhumans no shame at all?
You mean for SELLIN toxic puppy care treatments, marquis?
PROBABLY NOT, marquis. OtherWIZE he'd HIDE his
identity kinda JUST LIKE HOWE you done <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
From: Mark Shaw <ms...@bangnetcom.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: usenet anonymity
Some people freak out over pseudonyms. I don't know why.
I use a fake name on another newsgroup. Why? Without getting
into too many details, it's to avoid possible hard feelings should
what I post there be revealed to certain friends or coworkers in
real life.
But the name I'm known by there is real, and it's legitimately mine
in a sense - it's the name of the imaginary friend I had when I was
three or four years old. And I don't change it around; nor is it
intended to defraud or otherwise harm anybody.
So: meh.
--
Mark Shaw (And Baron)
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Gaah.
Hmmm. I thought that was SPELLED: "Gaaak"?
> --
> Mark Shaw (And Baron) moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm
LIKE THIS; Gaaak~!:
HOWEDY marquis de "READ KOEHLER FOR CONTENT"
shaw, you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin dog abusin punk
thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES anonymHOWES MENTAL CASE and dismal
failure as a electronics engineer cum illegal doggy day care operator,
"Mark Shaw" <ms...@bangnetcom.com> wrote in message
news:g462av$rjn$1...@reader2.panix.com...
> Melinda Shore <sh...@panix.com> wrote:
>> []
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUJ4es4cYIU
>
> I love the part where she plays Encyclopedia Brown - "this has
> to be a kid because an adult wouldn't draw these little lines
> around the name 'Jesus'."
Not to mention that believing in Spirit is childish behavior, to boot.
I mean, SCIENTIFICALLY speakin, marquis de "READ KOEHLER
FOR CONTENT" shaw <{}: ~ ) >
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: ms...@netcom.com (Mark Shaw)
Date: 2000/01/27
Subject: Re: To Jerry Howe and Other Professed Trainers!!!!!
In article <10413-3890B6D...@storefull-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
asl...@webtv.net (Melissa Wright) wrote:
>
> I have read all of the WEDTM, I do not agree with all of it, but
> some of it does make since. I do use noise distraction to a certain
> degree myself.
>
> I would also like to say, I read the Forced Fetch training from
> Oak Hill Kennel, If that is how Cindy Title Moore and Amy
> Dahl train, I wouldn't let them train my PIG let alone a dog.
>
> I would much rather train and have my dogs trained by Jerry Howe
> then twist my dogs ears,like you are told to do in this training.
You have been seriously misinformed. Moore and Dahl are among the
more competent people around here. You know all those FAQs posted to
rec.pets.dogs.info? Cindy is the one responsible for maintaining and
posting them. And neither of them are abusive.
As far as Howe, he's one of the LEAST competent people here,
and he's almost certainly responsible for misinforming you about
the others.
What Howe and other bedwetters, wankers and PeTA-pukes do
is latch onto some technique or other intended to train a particular
life-threatening behavior out of a dog as a last resort, and claim
that every person who agrees that that method used in that setting
is appropriate is a horrible sadist. This is libel, pure and simple,
and if Howe keeps it up he may eventually find himself in civil court.
Example: dogs who must work near rattlesnakes are best and most
quickly trained to leave them alone via electonic-collar training,
performed by people who are familiar with E-collars and competent
in their use.
This is analogous to slapping a child's hand when he reaches for a
hot stove -- a moment of very minor pain in exchange for a behavior
modification that will prevent major pain or crippling injury or even
death later. Let someone express that opinion here, though, and Howe
will pursue that person relentlessly, spewing hateful crap about how
they're sadists who "get off" on shocking and burning dogs and trying
to sell people his magic sound box (which apparently does not even
exist) instead.
The man's a nut. Don't pay any attention to him. Don't take my
word for it, though -- hang around a little while, read others'
thoughts on him, and make up your own mind.
(Aside to Vagabond-Mom: seewhutimean?)
[posted and emailed]
--
Mark Shaw (and Maggie)
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Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in
the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb
all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on
his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar
or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either
They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog.
Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
"Don't Let Your Dog Scream. Use Your Hand To Hold
His Muzzle Closed And Tell Him To Quit Moaning,"
Sindymooreon.
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lying frosty dahl wrote:
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance
Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
possibly get a good working dog by making them
unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl.
lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.
lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.
"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.
In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.
If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.
Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog
two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick
while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie
to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE
THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE. We're gonna
teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
From: ms...@bangnetcom.com (Mark Shaw)
Date: 27 Aug 2001 23:00:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
In article <3532-3B895199...@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Momi...@webtv.net (misty) wrote:
> I needed the info, it was offered free of charge
> and any questions can be asked of Jerry.
This is not true, unless you're willing to kiss his, uh, ring.
If you're not, he considers you his enemy -- no matter how you
really feel about him -- and will just abuse you.
Of course, his sheep have always ignored
this and will probably continue to do so.
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From: Mark Shaw (ms...@bangnetcom.com)
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10
In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrnsc53>,
"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@home.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
>> If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?
> "If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system,
> I have one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers."
Seems our pal marquis de "read koehler for content" shaw runs
an unlicensed illegal "cottage industry," outta his HOWES, a
B+B for dogs.
>> I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing -
>> - more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with
>> owners walking their dogs.
My methods cure fence jumping and escape behavior in a couple
minutes without shocking and choking and crating and beating
and shooting "a good slingshot or a few BB's" as instructed
in our koehler book that we should read for content. ed w of
petloss dot CON recommends we read koehler, sez he could be
the world's best trainer.
>> I thought of raising the fence a foot or so,
Because there's no way to train a dog not to jump a barrier.
>> but don't think that'll solve the problem.
Course not. Neither will hurting him, that'll
make IT want to escape even MOORE.
>> I've tried watching her outside, and give a stern "NO"
>> when she props on the fence for a peek over it. No avail.
Course not. That'll make him try harder soon as you're not lookin.
>> I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.
> I take it you're considering running the wire across the top of
> the fence? I don't think I'd recommend that, although it may be
> worth a try."
Course. Might as well try to HURT the dog to force it not to
want to run away. Dogs run away from their HOWESES for the
same reason kids do... they're usually abused and neglected,
even despite the daily jerk and choke and shock training.
> Watch closely -- the one case where I saw a hotwire used
> in this fashion caused the dog undue stress and frustration,
That was on one of your illegal customer's dogs who didn't know
you was fixin to BURN their Dane while you was giving him some
loving care. Those stupid bastards trusted you not to HURT their
dog...and you done your best, but just couldn't bear NOT to HURT.
> and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
Of course, marquis. That's what got Peach DEAD.
> So be prepared to take it down right away.
So he don't get caught, marquis? He's not shocking an illegal
boarding customer's dog like you were... marquis de "READ
KOEHLER FOR CONTENT" shaw <{}: ~ ( >
> That was a Dane, though.
Yeah. A cash customer's dog. You couldn't afford to return IT
with a case of nervous aggression...and you couldn't get caught
with a hotwire just in case the dog squeals on you by his new
nervous responses.
> With a Saint things might be different.
Yeah. Did you see CUJO?
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"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> how effective are these electronic fences in
> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
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"micha el" spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com
wrote in message
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Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
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THAT'S HOWE COME Misty's DEAD DOG
Peaches got DEAD on us <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
From: misty (Momi...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach.IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, nudged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@easynews.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:44:25 -0500 (CDT),
Momi...@webtv.net (misty) wrote:
> I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train" my kids as
> well:-) ~misty
> My "daughter":
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
> My sons: http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
Hi Misty!
I had just about exactly the same experience with Jerry's manual.
I had visited quite a few dog-training web sites, and, while they
didn't recommend anything too harsh, they all emphasized that
I must "assert my dominance" over the pup.
Anytime I tried doing that (just once or twice) it produced a
distinctly negative result... The pup got scared and ran away.
When I took the approach of simply making myself into the most
important and desirable thing in her world, she responded incredibly
well. Now I can even break off a rabbit chase instantly (which I do
NOT want to allow, as I live in a rural area with chickens and
livestock) just by calling her once in a calm, affectionate voice.
Your kids and your dog are adorable, BTW!
You can see my pup at
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Check the "more pictures" link -- like your dog, Holly
is more than happy to do an "alpha rollover" when I use
the gentle, non-confrontational approach Jerry recommends.
Charlie
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NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA MY FORUMS
and TAKE THESE DOG ABUSIN MENTAL CASES
WITH YOU, marquis:
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E154DAFFD...@216.196.97.142...
A dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.
This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!
However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
in horse training and rather self extinguishing bringing
about more moderation in established techniques.
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
Subject: Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP
"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9834C98...@216.196.97.142...
> in thread news:BO2Lg.4755$xV....@twister.nyroc.rr.com: "graham
> fandango!" <gmey...@maine.rr.com> whittled the following words:
> i have a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal
> shelter 5 years ago. its pretty clear he was abused in
> some form before he ended up in the shelter; when ever
> i reach for something, like the tv remote, too quickly he
> flinches. he gets scared when i sweep the kitchen floor
> and hides under the bed.
I have one too. I don't know her past history,or her age.
I use an antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very
quiet, until I take it off. It doesn't train her not to bark,
because she barks when the collar is off. (beagles "Do
that")
There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't
bark... just in case.I'd supervise the first time you try
it, because I've heard of some dogs barking, and going
so spazzy over them that they died.
I really don't think you are going to train a dog that
age, especially a beagle, NOT to bark. I see your
options as being:
1) anti-bark collar
a)citronella
b)electronic
c)bark buster (your neighbors will
probably complain asmuch about
that as the howlng)
2) surgical debarking
3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
4) moving
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9A74B7CCF88...@216.196.97.142...
c <barn...@gmail.com> spoke these words of wisdom in news:
5a8c97ed-06aa-
4211-b345-b...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> The shock is minimal and nothing to worry about.
>
> There are 2 different types that frequent this group:
> the high falutin city folk that believe dogs should be
> treated like children, and the answer for any problem
> is "enroll them in class and spend $300 to teach them
> not to do it, and put them in time-out, but be sure
> their paw socks are on before stepping outside if under
> 50 degrees, etc."
First, I know of a dog with an antibark collar, who
protested so violently, he spazzed out and killed himself.
He was found dead in his kennel the next morning.
What dog training schools charge $300?
------------
"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.
a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.
I think he's never going to be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Re: Tuck's SAR experience
"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns982D2E8...@216.196.97.142...
I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
now two keys missing.
Ornery git
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9839861...@216.196.97.142...
> in thread news:m1s5g2lsio01rsk9i...@4ax.com: Janet B
> <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> whittled the following words:
> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
> or how many choose to wean from household
> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
> some specific ages or maturity levels.
> Not for how long during a workday, but how
> long for a dog's lifespan?
I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
(which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
when I leave the room.
A dog proof room doesn't work.
He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
interested in anything left out in the open.
He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.
Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested
razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!
Mom really gets bent too!
nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
some time to come.
As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.
She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.
Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.
Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.
I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.
Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.
Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
> "diddy" <di...@whoops.I.said.WHAT?> wrote in message
> news:JS76a.9623
>
>> Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
>> I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
>
> is taya an elkie? no point in crying over ingested summer sausage
> is what my mom used to say. did she get the runs?
Taya IS a 1/2 a cup a day for food elkie. When i told mom and dad
that she ate 5 POUNDS, we all marveled, my goodness! Where did she
put it all!
She went to the emergency vet clinic last night in a snowstorm
along 60 miles of ice slick roads, & blowing snow. The price
wasn't bad $120 but she had pancreatitis.
Crap, I should have induced vomiting when I realized it had happened.
Going from a regular diet of ounces in a day to 5 pounds
was bound to cause problems!
She seemed fine at the time, and I didn't think about it.
It could have been worse. There was NO fat in those summer sausages,
because they were homemade. No greasy texture, and much better than
any you buy. Because there was no fat, I had figured pancreatits
wasn't going to be a factor.
Wrong again.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Hey shit for brains? Eatin kats won't cause peritonitis:
From: diddy
(di...@nospam.diddy.net)
Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST
Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet ownership.
I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.
I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.
To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny will not
look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees
himself and cowers hiding behind me for help.
I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs, But mom
and dad now have a house cat, and she has never been
harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there all the time,
unsupervised, and has no interest in harming the cat.
------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >
Here's diddler trainin her neighbor's dog to stay HOWETA her garbage:
From: diddy (di...@diddy.net)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way I would react.
There would be none left standing to deal with the threat just in
case.
If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.
Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If someone is feeding
his dog outside, his own dog might not mean THAT much to him.
If he was feeding his dog outside though, many dogs are food
aggressive, and that could most certainly spark a dog aggression
thing. (and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what was it
doing in his yard?)
I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my horses and called
him to help me find it. I would do the same for threatening my dog.
My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up trash up and down
our road for years making an unbelievable mess. When we finally
killed the culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control had never
been able in years to catch this critter. (we think it was feral it
was certainly unkempt enough to have been....and it had been shot
at by MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened it off enough
to keep it from NOT tearing up the road the next trash day)
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Janet B <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:34:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Fenced yard for escape artist
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:42:08 +0000 (UTC),
ceb <ce...@virginia.edu> wrote:
> Any tips for the best fencing/containment system?
>--Catherine
>& Zoe the cockerchow
split rail w/wire with the IF backup
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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From: d0006...@dc.seflin.org (Julia F N Altshuler)
Date: 8 Apr 2001 12:27:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Lost dog - Pointe-Claire, West Island of Montreal
I know this advice is late, and I hope it's not hurtful at this point,
but we got an electric fence Cubbe, and it's working great.
She used to escape the regular fence and cause us all the anxiety
you're currently going through. Every time we though we'd thought
of everything to make the fence secure, she'd find another way out.
The wire for the electric fence now goes up next to the real
fence so she gets zapped if she goes too near.
Now she can enjoy running around her yard but can't get close
enough to the fence to figure out a way under, over or through.
Best wishes. I really do know what you're going through.
--Lia, building good memories with Cubbe --"
---------------------------
GOOD MEMORIES LIKE THIS:
"Might Cubbe Be Ready For Harsher Training Techniques?
I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
LIKE THIS LYIN DOG ABUSIN MENTAL CASE:
"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open."
Fromdiddy <di...@nospam.diddy.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:43:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Rural person needs help euthanizing his loving pet.
I think sedating her with benedryl until she was overly sleepy, and
injecting her with Epsom salts IV should cause such chemical
imbalance that it should do the trick.
I'm not sure how humane that would be, It would cause a heart attack.
Well placed gun shots are probably the most immediate, effective and
humane, but then, you said that was not acceptable. Carbon dioxide is
NOT humane.. it's slow and agonizing as the other gasses in car
exhaust burn out the lungs causing agonizing death.
Re: Question About Euthanasia - Not For Faint of Heart
"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote
in message news:Xns995C9D2...@216.196.97.142...
Only if you are willing to be trolled. Using firearms
is not the most palatable way to put a dog down, but
sometimes it IS the most humane. For instance. I live
10 miles from a vet not an unreasonable distance for
routine care.
But one day, I was outside the fence in the company of
my dog, when the phone rang inside the house. I ran in
the door, and it was my dad. I said, "Dad, the dog did
not come in with me, I'll call you back"
Not aware that my dog had crossed the road to visit the
children getting off the school bus across the street,
I assumed her to be in her usual haunts, out in the back
pasture or barns.
I called her to come, and called her directly into the
path of a speeding car. She got hit directly on the
license plate and was thrown about 30 yards.
I knew exaclty what had happened, when I heard the
sickening thud, and her screams.
I rushed to her, and saw the blood streaming from her
ears and nose. her mangled little body irreparable. I
knew she was going to die. She quit screaming when I
went to her side. I went to move her, and she started
screaming even louder.
I knew moving her was only causing her greater agony.
She was in enough, and the outcome was not going to be
any better.
I decided to not put her through any more, and I left
her screaming, went in the house, got the handgun, and
returned. I gave her a tearful hug and apology. And I
did the hardest thing I've ever done in my whole life.
I took her pain, and made it my own. She immediately
slumped and went limp, and was silent. Quick. Taking
her to the vet was the poorer alternative.
in later years, I released a dog from the pound. She
was dumped for biting. Knowing that most of the time,
a dog that bites is the child's fault, I brought her
home to see if she was salvageable in a childless home.
She at least deserved an evaluation. She seemed fine,
then the following day, with no provocation, she lunged
for my throat. This was an unprovoked attack, and I knew
there was probably something physically wrong with the
dog (perhaps a brain tumor?) and regardless, she was a
HUGE liability risk, and I could never place her.
So I took her to the vet for euthanasia.
The vet kept sticking her for 15 minutes, and it was the
ugliest screaming death I ever witnessed.... until I had
my old 18 year old companion diagnosed with systemic
organ failure. Her old body wore out. I took her to the vet.
Apparently poor circulation caused her not to use the
euthanasia shot properly. The vet kept giving her one
shot after another, and she dies a slow agonizing death,
screaming, and looking at me in betrayal and dismay.
I wanted to grab her from the vet, and take her home,
and shoot her. It would have been over faster.
Then I took Danny in for Euthanasia. The best dog I've
ever had. The vet stuck him, and he went down HARD,
screaming.
He screamed for about 10 minutes.
If a vet was going to get a dog right, this one he HAD
to, and he didn't. I was furious. I'm forever sorry I
took him to the vet, but the violence of shooting him
was just unnacceptable to me.
These are THREE different vets.
I've witnessed hundreds of vet euthanasias that went
uneventfully. But those THREE failures stick forever
in my mind. Two on dogs very near and dear to me.
If I could accept the violence and had the fortitude
to do the job myself, those dogs would have never
needlessly suffered. A bullet properly placed is quick
and final.
Perhaps the OP has had not so good experiences, and
just wants to be sure the job is done right. I don't
necessarily consider them a troll (however I strongly
suspect that they are, and if they have to ask what
caliber to use, they probably are not a good enough
shot that they should attempt this)
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Date: December 29, 2006 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors
in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijq...@4ax.com:
Paula <mmmtobler...@earthlink.ent> whittled the following
words:
> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.
For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
that trainers have used and some still use today.
There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's
"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.
Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.
In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.
TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.
--------------------
SEE??
From: ms...@bangnetcom.com (Mark Shaw)
Date: 27 Aug 2001 23:00:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
In article <3532-3B895199...@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Momi...@webtv.net (misty) wrote:
> I needed the info, it was offered free of charge
> and any questions can be asked of Jerry.
This is not true, unless you're willing to kiss his, uh, ring.
If you're not, he considers you his enemy -- no matter how you
really feel about him -- and will just abuse you.
Of course, his sheep have always ignored
this and will probably continue to do so.
--
Mark Shaw (and Maggie)anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not'
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin
punk thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
<the.longest.use...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:806f9ae6-b84c-4fae...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 27, 9:07 am, Mark Shaw <ms...@bangnetcom.com> wrote:
> In rec.pets.dogs.behavior imafilthyspam...@gmail.com wrote:
> > One way you can cut costs is to make sure, if they need medication or
> > even flea and tick preventatives, to use one of the pet med companies
> > on the internet. imafilthyspammer.com generally has much better prices
>
> Have you subhumans no shame at all?
>
> Gaah.
> Apparently not. Personally, I like to buy my meds from
> my Vet because they cut so much off my bill as is
You mean on accHOWENTA you bein in doggy RESCUE, nicky?
> that I don't mind them keeping ateast one easy revenue generator on there.
You're a IMBECILE, ain't you, nicky <{}: ~ ( >
> Their procedural costs are always very fair, and
> if I have anything actually done during a visit
You mean IF you ain't CRIPPLED your dog to the
EXXXTENT the vet CAN'T HEELP IT, nicky, like
when you BROKE your new RESCUE DOG'S NECK
by jerkin an chokin IT to make IT pals with your other dog??
> they drop the appointment fee.
Naaah?
> Nick
HOWEDY the.longest.username.available a.k.a. nickey
you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin
punk thug coward active acute chronic life long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
<the.longest.use...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cc60f11d-1db5-4313...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 22, 11:11 am, sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:36:57 -0700 (PDT),
> "the.longest.username.availa...@gmail.com"
>
> <the.longest.username.availa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 22, 1:48 am, "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote:
> >> I don't have a lot of experience with dogs,
Well that AIN'T entirely TRUE, is it, fellHOWE dog lovers?:
From: "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:01:40 -0400
Subject: Re: i hate off-leash dogs.
I do miss the days of my childhood when we thought nothing
of walking our medium sized, very sweet and friendly dog
without a leash, although sometimes we did when we were
near a busy road. Yet I have a very vivid and terrible memory
of the time when my dog was viciously attacked by a larger
dog in the woods near our house.
The girl who owned the dog was beating it with a stick, and
I stabbed it in the neck. Both dogs survived, but after that, I
always carried a stout stick with me when walking our dog.
This was back in the 60s, when leash laws were very lax or
non-existent, and before everybody was lawsuit crazy, and
when the few drug dealers and thugs in the few bad areas of
town were deathly afraid of all big dogs.
Paul, Muttley and Lucky
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> >Then why try and give advice regarding dogs.
On accHOWENTA paulie *(like most dog abusin cowards here)
believes that ALL dogs are DIFFERENT and therefore NEED
varying amHOWENTS of PAIN FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION
to effectively BOND with their RESCUERS <{}: ~ ( >
> >Also, your dogs were not "rescue" dogs when you got them.
Well yeah, they was, nicky, you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-
long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE <{}: ~ ( >
> > They were strays.
They was RESCUED by animal CON-TROLL and
ADOPTED by paulie on accHOWENTA he was
PRESSURED into it by his dog abusin punk thug
coward mental case pal helen from HEEL <{}: ~ ( >
> > Lucky became a rescue when you surrendered
> > your right to her with a rescue group.
No such LUCK, nickey. paulie DUMPED "Lucky" at a
KILL SHELTER where IT got a PERMENANT NEW
FOREVER HOWES in less than WON WEEK despite
bein a SHY Pit Bull X with a history of FIGHTING with
paulie's OPPOSITE SEX "rescue" dog, Muttley <{}: ~ ( >
Some dog rescuer paulie is, eh, nickey??
> > Nothing you do with dogs is rescue, which is an important
> > distinction for people who actually work in rescue.
You mean people like yourself an racetrack silly who's RESCUE
organization MURDERS 67% of their so called RESCUE dog
FOR STATE FUNDS *(case history follHOWES below), nickey?
> > My second dog that I just lost recently was a stray,
No nickey, you din't "LOST" her. You KIDNAPPED IT
off the street and within two months of your cesar millan
"DOG WHEESPERER trainin" you BROKE HER
doGdameneD FREAKIN NECK for her, you sorry
s.o.b. <{}: ~ ( >
> > I then fostered her for a very short time through an
> > actual rescue group that I have worked with in the past.
Yeah. Seems these so called RESCUE groups HURT
INTIMIDATE MUTILATE an MURDER innocent
defenseless dumb critters when DOG LOVERS like
you an paulie can't HURT THEM ENOUGH to do the
trick.
> > When she and Yoda were getting along perfectly I
> > decided to adopt her myself. At that point she was an
> > adopted rescue dog who was found as a stray. Semantics
> > matter, good rescue groups have enough trouble overcoming
> > stereotypes and wrongly propagated beliefs resulting from
> > some bad apples out their without you contributing to the mess.
Yeah?
> Amen to all of the above.
INDEED?
> Nick, I don't want to cause you pain if you'd rather not discuss it,
> but do you and/or your vet have any idea what happened with Jezebel?
Yeah.
Here's HOWE COME nicky BROKE HIS DOG'S NECK:
nick wrote:
> > "I know were not "hurting" her when we hold
> > her down, as the force is not enough to do
> > any damage..."
> Wow - ONE comment.
You've already said enough, nicky.
> Do I do it any more?
You mean, beat your wife kids and dog, nicky?
> NO.
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
WHAT CHANGED, nicky?
> > Serviette?
> Touche?
Yeah. SCHTUPPED... BUT GOOD, to say the least, nicky.
> I dunno HOWE you do it, Jerry.
It's EZ, nicky. It's ALL in The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Archives on Google.com, nicky.
> You come on these boards to do
> nothing but troll and flame and
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT
HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES,
like yourself, nicky.
> give NOTHING back.
Let's take your temperature?
> People make mistakes -
NOT HERE. HERE they make ON-PUPORSES.
> did I Do the right thing initially with my pup? NO -
DUH-OH?
> why do you think I came to post on the boards!
You came here for the SAME SAME SAME
SAME REASON the rest of these LYING DOG
ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARDS and ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES come
here, nicky. You WANTED to LEARN HOWE to
HURT and INTIMIDATE your dog ENOUGH to
MAKE IT RESPECT your G-D like AUTHORITY.
> I don't so much as look at her crosseyed now,
On accHOWENTA SHE'S DEAD an BURIED <{}: ~ ( >
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Mustang Sally
-----------------------------------------------
We aren't really certain, at the time our two vets, my wife and I
never would have thought she was going to die. After looking back
though there is a neuro muscular disorder that would explain almost
everything that happened at the end as well as several of her "quirks"
that we didn't even realize were potentially from something underlying
as we didn't have her for very long. What the disorder didn't explain
could easily have been caused as a result of the symptoms of the
disorder. Nothing is conclusive though, and there is no way to know
for sure now. It was just a shock though because over the course of 4
days she went from an apparently healthy young dog to being in severe
pain and ultimately stopping breathing.
Nick
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Perhaps nickey should tell it to Dr. Phil, eh, racetrack silly?:
HOWEDY racetrack silly you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"sighthounds & siberians" <grey...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:2d192c9c-05b4-4e6e...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 1:34 pm, sh...@panix.com (Melinda Shore) wrote:
> In article
> <e70c2811-2019-4430-8163-23c5122f9...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Sparrow <Sparrow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm in my 30's. Since my Parents were also very
> >> attached to Cupid &loved her loads,
>
> > Huh. I'm interested in my dogs' loads,
> > but I can't say I love them.
Of curse not. That'd be HUMAN <{}: ~ ( >
> I guess the whole famn damily's nuts, including the
> Father and Brother and Attorneys and Uncle, etc.
You mean, speakin as Dr. Phil, racetrack silly?:
Here's racetrack silly who's "SHELTER" MURDERS
67% of their "RESCUE" dogs givin MENTAL HEELTH
ADVICE based on her own PERSONAL REAL LIFE
EXXXPERIENCES:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: Tues, May 24 2005 3:06 am
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700, TheAmazingPuppyWizard
@Mail.Com wrote:
> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700, dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> <major snippage>
>
> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,
>
> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of
> > their RESCUE dogs.
> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.
From:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b...
<<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality
might be helpful, too. I'm president of the board
of our local shelter. The new board has almost
succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin,
and very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention
to making improvements in our shelter, increasing
adoptions, etc. We are in the largest county in our
state, and it's also one of the poorest. We take in
around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-
thirds of them.>>
Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%. Actually, closer
to 67%. IS that really what "rescue" means, Sally?
Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs one "rescues"?
Geeez!
> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry
> to make up whatever shit he wants to 'support' his
> lunatic claims?
What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then?
The part about your "mental illness"? Why, you
call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.
Though I still can't help wondering how "sane"
someone who loves dogs can be when running
a shelter that puts down two thirds of the dogs
it "rescues".
> Mustang Sally (disgusted)
Lucy (likewise)
----------------------
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message news:
54nuetsqgkhp26qqv...@4ax.com...
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
LIKE THIS?:
From: sighthounds etc. (greypigho...@ncweb.com)
Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
Date: 2003-10-08 09:12:56 PST
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:33:44 -0500, Gwen Watson
<g...@ig.utexas.edu>
wrote:
>culprit wrote:
>> "sighthounds etc." <greypigho...@ncweb.com> wrote in
>> message news:f8b8ov46ctu1ds18o...@4ax.com...
>> > ADD and OCD are mental illnesses?
>> oh, BTW...
http://www.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Inform_
Yourself/About_M ental_Illness/About_Mental_Illness.htm
>> -kelly
>Yep there it is NAMI. And yes ADHD or ADD or considered
> as a mental illness in which one can apply for many different
> things even in the work force in which they are suppose to
> accomodate you to help improve your condition.
> But I don't care to go there so I am one of those untreated
> ADHD people in the world. Whatever I am nearly 50 and have
> gotten along just fine. Or so I feel fulfilled.
I guess this is just one of those instances in which I feel
that the US is turning into a nation of victims. And please,
don't anybody jump all over me, because I am not talking about
anyone personally. Everything seems to be a compensatable (not
sure if that's actually a word) disability. If 3/4 of the people are
physically disabled or mentally ill, what's 'normal'?
Terrible parents, painful childhoods, physical illnesses,
psychological problems, etc. are all part of who a person is,
and therefore how s/he sees the world and interacts in it. But
life isn't about who you are and what you've got, it's what
you do with it.
For me anyway, the more I think of myself as
partially disabled, the more I am that way.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like Dr. Phil.
Mustang Sally
---------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HOWEDY racetrack silly,
"sighthounds & siberians" <x...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:t1r544hch8u1k96lm...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:14:16 -0700 (PDT), Running Wolf
> <pav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 30 Kvě, 13:15, Janet Boss <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
>>wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <2153d51a-e478-4076-88c0-0392b1164...@a32g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Running Wolf <pav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > BTW: what does it mean "put down"?
>
>>> euthanize.
>
>>> --
>>> Janet Bosswww.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>
>>A "little bit" rough punishment, isn't it?
>
> It's not punishment.
Of curse not. You do it for PLEASURE and you GET PAID for it.
> A dog that charges and attacks other dogs, unprovoked,
> and presumably unpredictably, is not safe.
That's ABSURD, racetrack silly. A dog that "ATTACKS
UNPROVOKED" *IS* *PREDICTABLE*, you pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE.
Perhaps you can't see the connection between jerkin chokin
shockin an surgically sexually mutilatin innocent defenseless
dumb critters and lockin them in boxes and ignoring their
cries and causin them to be AFRAID and ATTACK other
dogs an kats and DIE from cancers and collapsed tracheas
and have psychogenic seizures and cruciate ligament failure
and endocrine system DIS-EASES??
You're a lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE.
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63...@4ax.com...
Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
----------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Here's more from HOWER DOG LOVER pal racetrack silly:
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:27:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Dog defecates during walks
Clearly, my stating the facts is not enough for Lucy;
perhaps she needs some sort of tangible proof, or perhaps
she thinks Jerry knows what I do better than I do.
In either case, she's proven herself incapable of reason,
and therefore a waste of time.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:48:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Fencing
It's astounding. We used livestock electric fence at the bottom of
our fence some years back because of a certain digging husky with
wanderlust. This was fairly new electric fencing, the shock was mild,
said husky touched it any number of times, and I can guarandamntee
you it didn't do anything horrible to her body or her mind.
If I live to be 100, I will never understand the mentality of people
who have no knowledge of a subject but still feel free, apparently
compelled even, to opine on that subject.
When it's people in another country,
it's nothing short of mind-boggling.
Mustang Sally
From: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@ncweb.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:21:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Stop Barking Products
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:07:02 -0600, Katra <K...@centurytel.net>
wrote:
>"sighthounds etc." wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:50:59 -0600, Katra <K...@centurytel.net>
>> wrote:
> Sorry, I don't hang out here enough anymore to recognize
> the morons... :-) Except for Jerry.
They can be difficult to recognize when they pretend to be someone
else. It must be a pretty fun game, as both Jerry and Mikey devote a
lot of time to it, especially when one considers what busy people they
are.
> Bark collars are supposed to work pretty well and a good
> one runs less han $100.00. He ought to just try one and
> see if it works. He won't be out much. <shrugs>
There is some controversy about the humane-ness of citronella collars
because dogs' noses are so sensitive. I've tried citronella collars
on our kenneled adoption dogs, and they didn't appear to be able to
figure out the connection between their noise and the squirt.
>Or keep the dog inside.....
Now that's a pretty foolproof method of dealing
with problematic outdoor barking.
Mustang Sally
From: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@ncweb.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:18:01 -0500
Subject: Re: BTW, Who am I
I don't know that Sibes generally go home on their own; many don't,
or they wouldn't end up in shelters. I don't know if it's coincidence
that one of our permanent Sibes did this and one of our fosters did
too. But I think Siberians *can* find their way home, at least based
on my experience, where Greyhounds apparently usually can't. I don't
know why Greyhounds can't; I guess it doesn't occur to them to use
their noses to sniff their way back home.
Of course, Greyhounds often are several miles away from home by
the time they stop and consider what they're doing. In our case, it
took our Siberian to find our Greyhound. doG knows what would
have happened to Matty if not for Tasha, since he wouldn't come to
us.
Guess we would have had to try darting him.
Invisible fences should not be used (except as reinforcerment for
normal-height fences ) with northern breeds and sighthounds, period.
Sally Hennessey
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:12:56 -0500
Subject: Seiure land
OK, living in this house is an epileptic Greyhound that hasn't had a
seizure in 3 years, and epileptic IG that has a seizure (sometimes GM,
but inconsistent) every couple of months or so, a non-epileptic
Siberian that has a GM seizure every year or so, and a very badly bred
Miniature Dachshund that has atypical apparent seizure activity at
irregular intervals (but once on the same day the IG had one). So
half an hour ago, I hear strange cat howling noises from the kitchen,
and upon investigating, there's Dolce having a tonic seizure on the
kitchen table.
It must be the house.
Mustang Sally
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:27:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Bullmastiff bullies my Staffordshire Bull Terrier
That is just *exactly* what I was going to say. I had one aggressive
female (Dal) and a dominant female that would die before she'd back
down (Sibe). We tried just about everything, and had we kept them
both, I am convinced that one would have killed the other. These were
fights that caused injuries every time.
Mustang Sally
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:11:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Mojo,Luke and Taffy update
If we had known that the vet was going to treat it as MMM regardless
of the biopsy results, we'd never have put Tasha through that.
Specialists are great and all that, but I think he did a lot of tests
just because he could. That internist is gone from our vet's practice
now, and at first I was sorry, but now I'm not so sure. Yesterday I
took Abby the kitty in because I thought she might be hyperthyroid.
She isn't, but she probably has IBD. I asked the vet how they'd treat
it, and he said that if the specialist were there he'd scope her and
then they'd treat with prednisone. Since the specialist isn't there,
he's going to treat with prednisone because she has the symptoms
(she's also 15, and I wouldn't want to put her through endoscopy).
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:57:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Fear aggression
While most of my dogs are well-behaved when left alone unconfined,
my Whippets are not, and it is simply not possible to sufficiently
proof' my home from dogs that can jump baby gates and get onto tables
and counters when no one is home.
No, of course they don't do that when we're
home, but they sure do when we're gone.
They aren't really destructive, though my female that enjoys
chewing up plastic, but they're very food oriented, and their
definition of food differs from ours, so they're crated for
their own protection. I've found crate training to be very
useful when a dog is ill or injured and needs to be confined
for medical purposes; and this happens more often than you
might think.
I hate to spoil the image of cruel Americans locking up their
dogs in boxes all day, but, well, it's BS, so there you go.
To the OP: it's very difficult to say what's going on with
your dog without observing him. I've had several very fearful
dogs, one of which had some minor fear aggression when she felt
absolutely trapped, but this resolved on its own as she became
more confident.
If there are specific things which trigger Sunny's fear aggression,
you could work on desensitizing her to those things, but in general,
I think you need either a behaviorist or a very good trainer who
deals with aggression problems.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:43:17 -0500
Subject: Re: New dog, need reassurance
The owner is the critical thing though - - you set the rules,
you decide what's acceptable, your attitude conveys that to
your dogs.
We currently have two males that really don't get along.
To minimize stress for animals and humans, they are kept separate.
No amount of training or alpha attitude is going to change
how they feel about each other, but they won't go after each
other if DH or I is/am present.
They will we're not around, though.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
From: greyhound <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:10:07 -0500
Subject: Re: your dog's breed
I don't know about yours, but all the Siberianswe've had maintain
some degree of aloofness. They're affectionate, sleep on the bed and
all that, but they're always independent. When a Sibe gets clingy,
it's a good indication that something's wrong. As ours age, though,
they become a bit less independent. A couple of weeks ago, Tasha,
who was on the bed, crawled over and curled up right next to me,
almost on top of me, and cuddled.
She was trembling a bit, and I thought she might be about to have
another seizure, but the moment passed. I imagined calling the vet:
"I need to bring Tasha in because she's cuddling."
How bittersweet that you and Duncan bonded more toward the end
of his life than in the years before. He always knew who he loved
and trusted, and when he felt himself failing, you're what he wanted.
Hope you're feeling better.
Mustang Sally
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:54:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Injured By Dogs????
There are some dogs that will never bite a human under any
circumstances, and some that will bite a human when in pain.
Tasha is apparently one of the latter - - she bit my hand
when I closed her paw in a baby gate - - and I don't think
any less of her because of it, nor do I consider it a
reflection on her training. The incident showed us that
that type of baby gate wasn't the best design for use
with dogs, and we got rid of it.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:01:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Dog fight, dog bite, aaaiiiieeeeee
Heh. Probably confuses the dogs, too. I'll have to keep that
in mind if I have to break up a fight again. Keeping calm is
always recommended, but usually harder than actually breaking
up the fight.
The fights we've had in the last few years are nothing compared
to the ones between the Sibe and Dal (one of the worst things about
their fights was that once you separated them, you had to hold onto
them and be *very*careful, because if they got half a chance, they'd
go after each other again.
The Dal always started it, but Tasha, as you might
guess, never backed down. Anyway, it's easier to
stay calm now because I know the dogs don't have
death as a goal, as they seemed to.
Staying calm also has a lot to do with the dogs'
behavior when you try to break up the fight.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:30:40 -0500
Subject: Re: my brother's dog
Assuming you could have found someone who knew what
they were doing. When the problems with Justy and
Tasha started, we contacted everyone we could think
of, including the Dal rescue people and trainers.
There weren't any behaviorists around, but someone,
I don't remember who, referred us to one in another
state who did phone consultations!
Of course, that was of limited value. In retrospect,
I still think that situation was unsalvageable. But
we sure learned a lot about multi-dog interactions,
dog aggression and managing less severe fighting
situations.
It was months before hearing a dog growl
didn't make my heartbeat race.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:32:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats
>> >but I'm inclined to believe that the "Wits' End Dog Training
>> >Manual" did have something to do with it, too. :-)
>> which exercises did you find most helpful?
> You know, what I found as most helpful were the magic
> words "Good boy, Clyde" and "Good girl, Bonnie". The
> dogs do ANYTHING if I just utter these words. I suspect
> that they are secretly reading Jerry's posts to rpdb. <g>
>> >for me, it was the best thing that I could wish for - no
>> >violence at all,
>> i've been playing at training my own dogs since i was 3-4
>> years old (probably longer, but my memory has its limits).
>> in any event, it was long before i'd ever heard of Mr. Howe.
>> somehow, without the benefit of Mr. Howe's "superior" methods,
>> i managed not to treat any of my dogs violently.
>> > very easy to apply, and best of all, always gives
>> > wonderful results.
>> that's untrue. one of his favorite methods (using a shake can
>> as positive punishment) does not work with either of my dogs.
>> one ignores it (he's not bothered by loud, sudden noises) and
>> the other loses all control of her bowels and bladder when
>> startled by sudden noises/movement. so, like most training
>> tools, the shake can may vary from benignly ineffective to
>> downright abusive, depending on the situation.
> This is nothing at all like what Jerry says. Really,
> shelly, why not READ the manual?
I've read the thing (I refuse to call it a manual), and I can tell
you, based on experience with high prey breeds, that "good boy"
and "good girl" are not particularly useful when redirecting high
prey drive.
Mustang Sally
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."
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WHO'S THE MENTAL CASE, People?