China did not want to present a chubby face girl to the world
Long Duc Dong
BEIJING 2008
China abuzz over lip-syncing singer in Olympics opening ceremony
The face of the 'smiling angel' was that of 9-year-old Lin Miaoke, but the
voice that of 7-year-old Yang Peiyi. Sleight of hand also enhanced the
fireworks spectacle on TV.
By Mark Magnier
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 13, 2008
BEIJING — China's $100-million Olympics opening ceremony wowed its global
TV audience with a lavish spectacle and pizazz that tried to present a
perfect image of China to the world, right down to the perfect teeth of the
little girl who took center-stage and sang an ode to the motherland.
Except the voice was not hers. It was recorded and belonged to another
girl, with better pipes but crooked baby teeth and a chubby face.
Nor was all quite what it seemed with the dazzling fireworks sequence
watched by a billion or more television viewers. Worried about the
difficulty of cameras capturing 29 sequential explosions from Tiananmen
Square to the Olympic Village, the Chinese visual effects team re-created
all but one of the big bangs in an animation studio, and inserted the
55-second clip into the live TV coverage.
Perfection, it seems, must sometimes be faked.
The revelations of dubbed voices and phony pyrotechnics renditions at the
opening ceremony have lighted up the Chinese Internet, with many online
users condemning the apparent bait and switch at the government's big show.
"Fake singing for national honor? What kind of lessons are we giving such a
small child?" asked an anonymous posting on 163.com, a news portal. "Is
this national honor or national shame?"
The child in question was 9-year-old Lin Miaoke, who was seen belting out
"Ode to the Motherland" as the Chinese flag entered the National Stadium.
She became an instant celebrity and was quickly christened a "smiling
angel." The image of her in a pretty red dress appeared around the world.
But it wasn't Miaoke who was singing. Chen Qigang, the ceremony's music
director, told state broadcaster Beijing Radio that the voice heard around
the world belonged to 7-year-old Yang Peiyi.
Peiyi had the voice and was supposed to perform, but was yanked at the last
minute because her looks were deemed not suitable by a senior Communist
Party official, Chen said.
"It was for the national interest," Chen told Beijing Radio. "The child on
camera should be flawless in image, internal feelings and expression."
The other sleight of hand involved the massive fireworks display at the
culmination of the ceremony showing 29 pyrotechnic "footprints" a second
apart in recognition of the 29 Summer Games, as if the past Olympics were
walking toward the stadium.
All of the footprints were at least partially detonated that night. Those
on the scene saw them. But what TV viewers saw was an animated
three-dimensional studio re-creation, Gao Xiaolong, visual-effects team
leader at the Crystal Stone animation company, told the Beijing Times.
Only the last "footprint" closest to the National Stadium, known as the
Bird's Nest, was seen by viewers and locals in real time.
"Most viewers thought these were live shots, so our work achieved its
effect," Gao said.
His studio spent nearly a year crafting the clip. To make it as visually
seamless as possible, Crystal Stone consulted with the weather bureau to
re-create Beijing haze at night, and the shot included a slight shaking to
simulate shooting from a helicopter.
Olympic broadcaster NBC -- the network on which the live entertainment show
"Saturday Night Live" was infamously exposed for allowing singer Ashlee
Simpson to lip-sync a vocal performance in 2004 -- said it had been candid
with viewers that the fireworks they were watching were, in fact,
pre-produced in a studio.
"We said earlier that aspects of this opening ceremony are almost like
cinema in real time," announcer Bob Costas told his audience. "Well this is
quite literally cinematic."
The vast majority of Chinese, many of whom have no Internet access and live
in rural areas, were pleased and impressed by the result of the opening
extravaganza, produced by filmmaker Zhang Yimou, which they saw as a moment
of national glory.
"There are too many things to be taken care of; it's understandable that
errors will occur," said an anonymous posting on 163.com.
But other Internet postings complained about the show's expense, its
aesthetics, and organizers apparently misrepresenting some elements to the
public in their quest for perfection.
China's propaganda ministry moved in Tuesday, deleting many online
discussion entries and blocking access to video links showing Miaoke's
lip-syncing.
The Beijing organizers weren't the first to use lip-syncing for an Olympic
performance. The late Italian tenor Luciano Pavarotti, in great pain from
pancreatic cancer, did so at the Turin Winter Games in 2006, although the
voice that was heard was his own.
But China has suffered a string of recent scandals involving fake news
stories, bogus photos of a rare South China tiger and a sham TV report that
vendors filled dumplings with cardboard. Social experts bemoan the lack of
morality or trust among government agencies, companies and individuals.
Kang Xiaoguang, a social science researcher with the Chinese Academy of
Science, welcomed the online debate over the government's big show, saying
it was a sign the society is maturing. But he added that the singing and
fireworks misrepresentations are disconcerting.
"Society also needs basic trust and justice," he said.
There was also online grousing this week about the opening ceremony's
aesthetics. The three-hour extravaganza presented an idealized vision of
Chinese history and culture, with Confucius heavily represented and
Chairman Mao noticeably absent. But some found it pompous and lacking
heart.
"It was nationalist clothing over authoritarian underwear," said Sichuan
province-based writer and blogger Ran Yunfei.
Zhang, director of well-received feature films "Raise the Red Lantern" and
"House of Flying Daggers," said he was pleased with the outcome.
"This kind of three-dimensional performance is a first for the world," he
told a news conference. "If London also wants to do it this way, I estimate
they won't surpass us in a short time," he added, referring to the host
city of the 2012 Games.
Ai Weiwei, an avant-garde artist, said the ceremony focused primarily on
giving "face" to the government.
"They tried so hard and wasted so much money," he said, adding that the
oversized torch atop the Bird's Nest, which he helped design, resembled an
ice cream cone.
"The ceremony was stupid, a real wasted opportunity," he said.
clouddreamer
> http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-fg-lipsync13-2008aug13,0,5944370.story
>
> BEIJING 2008
> China abuzz over lip-syncing singer in Olympics opening ceremony
> The face of the 'smiling angel' was that of 9-year-old Lin Miaoke, but the
> voice that of 7-year-old Yang Peiyi. Sleight of hand also enhanced the
> fireworks spectacle on TV.
> By Mark Magnier
> Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
>
> August 13, 2008
>
> BEIJING — China's $100-million Olympics opening ceremony wowed its global
> TV audience with a lavish spectacle and pizazz that tried to present a
> perfect image of China to the world, right down to the perfect teeth of the
> little girl who took center-stage and sang an ode to the motherland.
Oh fer god's sake...guess what...you didn't see an ugly kid on Kid
Nation, did you?
All this whining is like the pot calling the kettle black.
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> Long Duc Dong wrote:
>
> > BEIJING 2008
> > China abuzz over lip-syncing singer in Olympics opening ceremony
> > The face of the 'smiling angel' was that of 9-year-old Lin Miaoke, but the
> > voice that of 7-year-old Yang Peiyi. Sleight of hand also enhanced the
> > fireworks spectacle on TV.
> > By Mark Magnier
> > Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
>
> > August 13, 2008
>
> > BEIJING — China's $100-million Olympics opening ceremony wowed its global
> > TV audience with a lavish spectacle and pizazz that tried to present a
> > perfect image of China to the world, right down to the perfect teeth of the
> > little girl who took center-stage and sang an ode to the motherland.
>
> Oh fer god's sake...guess what...you didn't see an ugly kid on Kid
> Nation, did you?
>
> All this whining is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Fake Nation presenting fake singer!
Obveeus
"clouddreamer" <Global_...@is.very.real> wrote:
> Oh fer god's sake...guess what...you didn't see an ugly kid on Kid Nation,
> did you?
>
> All this whining is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Side note: what message do you suppose nearly every parent is sending their
kid when they put braces on them? Seems to me the message is something
along the lines of 'you are ugly and we are trying to fix it', though I
suppose many parents lie and claim that it is a medical issue that has to be
corrected in order for the child to be able to chew their food.
clouddreamer
Unhuh...and that has NEVER happened in the US.
John A. Weeks III
clouddreamer <Global_...@is.very.real> wrote:
> >> All this whining is like the pot calling the kettle black.
> >
> > Fake Nation presenting fake singer!
>
>
>
> Unhuh...and that has NEVER happened in the US.
At least I see it as a positive development that people are
outraged about this incident. Discrimination against physical
traits is something that is deeply imbedded within most people.
-john-
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Ragnar
> http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-fg-lipsync13-2008aug13,0,59...
The last line of the article says it all.
"The ceremony was stupid, a real wasted opportunity,"
Well, at least the article has something in common with your reason
for posting it.
Ragnar
felonio...@aol.com
> Long Duc Dong wrote:
>
> > BEIJING 2008
> > China abuzz over lip-syncing singer in Olympics opening ceremony
> > The face of the 'smiling angel' was that of 9-year-old Lin Miaoke, but the
> > voice that of 7-year-old Yang Peiyi. Sleight of hand also enhanced the
> > fireworks spectacle on TV.
> > By Mark Magnier
> > Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
>
> > August 13, 2008
>
> > BEIJING — China's $100-million Olympics opening ceremony wowed its global
> > TV audience with a lavish spectacle and pizazz that tried to present a
> > perfect image of China to the world, right down to the perfect teeth of the
> > little girl who took center-stage and sang an ode to the motherland.
>
> Oh fer god's sake...guess what...you didn't see an ugly kid on Kid
> Nation, did you?
>
> All this whining is like the pot calling the kettle black.
The cunt's intense jealousy of the US rears her ugly-ass head again,
LOL :)
>
> ..
>
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"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Join the real world. How your teeth look has a major impact on how well you
get along in life.
Obveeus
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> BOTH LITTLE GIRLS SHOULD FEEL LUCKY NOT TO HAVE BEEN DROWNED AT
> BIRTH!
>
> After all, we're talking about China here ...
That is just silly. very, very few babies are actually killed at birth.
For the most part, China just kills its children with abortion, same as the
USA.
Obveeus
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True. It might even be the difference between getting to lip synch on TV
and having to sing offstage.
PaPaPeng
<mason...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:g7um5b$s9$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>
>Join the real world. How your teeth look has a major impact on how well you
>get along in life.
You remember Bernie Ebbers of WorldCom?
An acquaintance of mine met a former senior executive who once worked
briefly for Bernie. His company was bought over by WorldCom. In a
meet the new troops pep rally Bernie mingled among the staff of the
just bought over company. There was already foreboding that many of
the staff won't be around much longer once Bernie got his axe out.
Sr. Exec being one of the key execs would probably be spared.
Anyway the story is when Sr. Exec shook hands with Bernie he noticed
how bad his teeth and breath were. Now here is a multibillion dollar
man and he can't afford to spend a few bucks to get his teeth fixed?
The conclusion is that the first thing that will happen is there will
be little if any health benefits from the new boss. The message was
to get out fast before before the shit hit the fan. Smart move. Not
long after that WorldCom disintegrated and we already know Bernie
became the guest of a Government facility.
Unique
g7um5b$s9$1...@registered.motzarella.org,
> "clouddreamer" <Global_...@is.very.real> wrote:
>> Oh fer god's sake...guess what...you didn't see an ugly kid on Kid
>> Nation, did you?
>>
>> All this whining is like the pot calling the kettle black.
>
> Side note: what message do you suppose nearly every parent is
> sending their kid when they put braces on them? Seems to me the
> message is something along the lines of 'you are ugly and we are
> trying to fix it',
Nonsense. At worst, the message is that "your teeth are crooked and
we're going to have them straightened, so that your smile will look
nicer."
> though I suppose many parents lie and claim that
> it is a medical issue that has to be corrected in order for the child
> to be able to chew their food.
Sounds like you don't have any kids of your own. Parents don't lie about
it. Parents are told by the regular dentist that the kid needs to see an
orthodontist because of "teeth crowding" or "Anteroposterior
discrepancies (deviations between uppen and lower teeth that result in
bad "bite" alignment)."
Of course the Orthodontists love these referrals and maybe there are
even some kickbacks involved.
I was skeptical because it seems to me that in general Orthodontists see
every set of teeth as needing some improvement, since no smile (that
hasn't already been tampered with) is perfect. However I saw in my own
daughter when the adult teeth were coming in that there was significant
crowding that would likely result in future problems if it wasn't
corrected. So I spent the 5K and now my daughter has perfect teeth. She
never complained about wearing braces and is very happy with the
results.
Even if we accept your premise, that it is mostly done for cosmetic
reasons, and that most parents lie and say the reason is medical, then
kids are not getting any message that it needs to be done because they
are ugly.
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"Unique" <akjs...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote:
> I was skeptical because it seems to me that in general Orthodontists see
> every set of teeth as needing some improvement, since no smile (that
> hasn't already been tampered with) is perfect. However I saw in my own
> daughter when the adult teeth were coming in that there was significant
> crowding that would likely result in future problems if it wasn't
> corrected.
Crowding...future problems...as in 'she will look funny'. A few generations
ago people got by just fine with crooked teeth. they didn;t starve or have
any inate inability to chew/swallow. very few people *need* orthodontics.
It is done for cosmetic reasons.
> So I spent the 5K and now my daughter has perfect teeth. She never
> complained about wearing braces and is very happy with the results.
Good thing you 'fixed' her so that boys might find her attractive.
> Even if we accept your premise, that it is mostly done for cosmetic
> reasons, and that most parents lie and say the reason is medical, then
> kids are not getting any message that it needs to be done because they are
> ugly.
Ture, they 'know' they are ugly because they don't look like everyone on TV
and in magazines. You just reassured your daughter that the problem could
be 'fixed' while writing off the emotional baggage under the guise that the
teeth would be crowded otherwise. Actual use of the word 'ugly' goes unsaid
(hence the lie).
Unique
> "Unique" <akjs...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote:
>> I was skeptical because it seems to me that in general Orthodontists
>> see every set of teeth as needing some improvement, since no smile
>> (that hasn't already been tampered with) is perfect. However I saw
>> in my own daughter when the adult teeth were coming in that there
>> was significant crowding that would likely result in future problems
>> if it wasn't corrected.
>
> Crowding...future problems...as in 'she will look funny'.
A bit more serious than that but I guess you know better.
> A few
> generations ago people got by just fine with crooked teeth. they
> didn;t starve or have any inate inability to chew/swallow. very few
> people *need* orthodontics. It is done for cosmetic reasons.
A few generations ago dental hygene was still in the dark ages and
people suffered quite a bit because of it.
>
>> So I spent the 5K and now my daughter has perfect teeth. She never
>> complained about wearing braces and is very happy with the results.
>
> Good thing you 'fixed' her so that boys might find her attractive.
I already said my decision to go ahead with it had nothing to do with
that, but don't let that stop you from taking a cheap shot.
>
>> Even if we accept your premise, that it is mostly done for cosmetic
>> reasons, and that most parents lie and say the reason is medical,
>> then kids are not getting any message that it needs to be done
>> because they are ugly.
>
> Ture, they 'know' they are ugly because they don't look like everyone
> on TV and in magazines. You just reassured your daughter that the
> problem could be 'fixed' while writing off the emotional baggage
> under the guise that the teeth would be crowded otherwise. Actual
> use of the word 'ugly' goes unsaid (hence the lie).
Acutal use of the word "ugly" goes unsaid because it's totally absurd.
Clearly, you haven't a clue what kids that age "know" or don't know, or
how they respond to wearing braces. The problem (crooked teeth) can
easily be fixed without any emotional baggage -- as long as they don't
run into some bleeding heart who tells them that they've been
victimized.
Obviously the culture is obsessed with physical appearance, but for you
to claim that braces are bad because they teach children that anything
less that perfect means they are ugly is laughable.
Jeeze, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. This is
ridiculous even for USENET.
Mark Nobles
> A few generations ago dental hygene was still in the dark ages and
> people suffered quite a bit because of it.
Pharoah Rameses II, at the time the richest and probably the oldest man
in the world, died of a toothache.
Moe
>
>Join the real world. How your teeth look has a major impact on how well
>you get along in life.
This person has been unemployed for almost 10 weeks now.
http://fatreality.netfirms.com/blobbi.htm
Do you think that her teeth are working against her job search?
Obveeus
"Unique" <akjs...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote:
> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Crowding...future problems...as in 'she will look funny'.
> A bit more serious than that but I guess you know better.
That is what everyone says when they spend thousands of dollars to 'fix'
their child's ugliness.
>> A few
>> generations ago people got by just fine with crooked teeth. they
>> didn;t starve or have any inate inability to chew/swallow. very few
>> people *need* orthodontics. It is done for cosmetic reasons.
>
> A few generations ago dental hygene was still in the dark ages and people
> suffered quite a bit because of it.
People had problems mostly from lack of filling technology / tooth rot.
With today's floridated water, sealants for molars when they are first
coming in, and easy access to fillings/crowns/rootcanals/etc... to prevent
small problems from turning into big ones; death by tooth problem is nearly
a thing of the past (NYPD Blue detectives not withstanding). Your child was
very likely not in any medical danger or any real 'future medical risk'
without getting braces.
>>> Even if we accept your premise, that it is mostly done for cosmetic
>>> reasons, and that most parents lie and say the reason is medical,
>>> then kids are not getting any message that it needs to be done
>>> because they are ugly.
>>
>> Ture, they 'know' they are ugly because they don't look like everyone
>> on TV and in magazines. You just reassured your daughter that the
>> problem could be 'fixed' while writing off the emotional baggage
>> under the guise that the teeth would be crowded otherwise. Actual
>> use of the word 'ugly' goes unsaid (hence the lie).
>
> Acutal use of the word "ugly" goes unsaid because it's totally absurd.
Ah yes...we have to be dainty and say things like 'so the mean kids won't
pick on her'.
> Clearly, you haven't a clue what kids that age "know" or don't know, or
> how they respond to wearing braces. The problem (crooked teeth) can easily
> be fixed without any emotional baggage -- as long as they don't run into
> some bleeding heart who tells them that they've been victimized.
No one is telling them they have been victimized. It is one giant national
scam on society to make everyone believe that they need to spend thousands
of dollars and have 'perfect teeth'...and then the majority of the people
forking out the money and having the proceedures live in denial: claiming
they did it for medical reasons, claiming it wasn't about vanity. It is ok
to admit to vanity. It is ok to admit to spending time and money purely on
superficial acceptance within society.
> Obviously the culture is obsessed with physical appearance, but for you to
> claim that braces are bad because they teach children that anything less
> that perfect means they are ugly is laughable.
What I claimed was that parents spending thousands on braces was sending no
different a message than the Olympic ceremony director choosing one kid
over another based upon crooked teeth. People are 'outraged' about
something that should be a virtual non-issue since Americans are
judging/acting the same ways every day with their own children.
> Jeeze, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. This is ridiculous
> even for USENET.
Mountain out of a molehill...at least you admit that forking over money for
your kids braces is no different than if you forked over money for her
breast implants.
Lady Veteran
seen.
PaPaPeng
I do distinctly remember a science report on pictures and statues of
Egyptian pharoahs where there was never one smiling that showed an
open mouth or teeth. The reason was all the royals had rotten and
mostly missing teeth, a finding confirmed in mummies and X-rays of
mummies. Honey was a luxury food freely available to royalty but only
rarely to the common people. The finding was these royals must have
had agonizing dental problems in middle to old age. Unsaid was the
liklihood that they must have had terrible dispositions too.
Mason Barge
>
> "Unique" <akjs...@akjsfdsa.biz> wrote:
>> I was skeptical because it seems to me that in general Orthodontists see
>> every set of teeth as needing some improvement, since no smile (that
>> hasn't already been tampered with) is perfect. However I saw in my own
>> daughter when the adult teeth were coming in that there was significant
>> crowding that would likely result in future problems if it wasn't
>> corrected.
>
> Crowding...future problems...as in 'she will look funny'. A few
> generations ago people got by just fine with crooked teeth. they didn;t
> starve or have any inate inability to chew/swallow.
Actually, that goes in the "we don't know" category. They certainly had
difficulties chewing at a young age, because almost everyone lost their
teeth at a young age.
You know why people never smile in old portraits? It's because their teeth
were either awful looking or not there.
Orthodontists do say that braces result in less tooth decay. But as VV
pointed out, there's not an unbiased expert to testify.
PaPaPeng
There are a lot of beautiful Japanese women whose perfection is spoilt
by bad teeth, as in uneven teeth caused by crowding not corrected.
Thus they often cover their mouths with their hands when they laugh.
My observation is not meant as a slur against the Japanese. I don't
have the answer as to why as in are Japanese dentists too pricey or do
their parents value girls less to want to spend money on them.
~consul
>> didn;t starve or have any inate inability to chew/swallow. very few
>> people *need* orthodontics. It is done for cosmetic reasons.
> A few generations ago dental hygene was still in the dark ages and
> people suffered quite a bit because of it.
Oooh ooooh oh, I finally have a forum and a lead in to say this: "It didn't hurt the British Empire." :)
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> and thus Unique inscribed ...
>> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote in message:
>>> A few generations ago people got by just fine with crooked teeth. they
>>> didn;t starve or have any inate inability to chew/swallow. very few
>>> people *need* orthodontics. It is done for cosmetic reasons.
>> A few generations ago dental hygene was still in the dark ages and
>> people suffered quite a bit because of it.
>
> Oooh ooooh oh, I finally have a forum and a lead in to say this: "It
> didn't hurt the British Empire." :)
>
Except if King George had had better teeth, the UK would now have 50 rich
colonies in the new world.
Steeler fans suck
> Dizums have no right to an opinion on anything and should be heard nor
> seen.
>
> LV
skanky whore
jenius
> On Aug 13, 6:45 am, clouddreamer <Global_warm...@is.very.real> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Long Duc Dong wrote:
> > >http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-fg-lipsync13-2008aug13,0,59...
>
> > > BEIJING 2008
> > > China abuzz over lip-syncing singer in Olympics opening ceremony
> > > The face of the 'smiling angel' was that of 9-year-old Lin Miaoke, but the
> > > voice that of 7-year-old Yang Peiyi. Sleight of hand also enhanced the
> > > fireworks spectacle on TV.
> > > By Mark Magnier
> > > Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
>
> > > August 13, 2008
>
> > > BEIJING — China's $100-million Olympics opening ceremony wowed its global
> > > TV audience with a lavish spectacle and pizazz that tried to present a
> > > perfect image of China to the world, right down to the perfect teeth of the
> > > little girl who took center-stage and sang an ode to the motherland.
>
> > Nation, did you?
>
> > All this whining is like the pot calling the kettle black.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
the real point of all this is how the Chinese cheated their way to
gold medal. willing to do absolutely anything to get there. underage
girls in gymnastics, beaning our baseball players (diliberately) with
wild pitches, rigging boxing decisions, etc,,,,you get the picture.
they don't care, about one little girls feelings, they must
always,"save face". jenius