I thought that exercise saves your life
NR
How is it that Jim Fixx dropped dead of a heart attack while jogging?!
I'm crushed.
NR
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If I catch you busting into a mass and vilifying a church, the last thing
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- --Steve Chaney to Mark Ira Kaufman
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Young Mr. Chaney, the man who has told me that he wants to murder me and
sodomize women in my family, has said, repeatedly, that advocates for
choice had vandalized churches.
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she probably has to have her picture taken by satellite because no normal
camera can fit all that whale blubber into one picture.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: <1992Oct28.0...@csus.edu>
Excessively fat women look ugly. It is impractical to try and have sex when
she's 100lbs overweight and the weight is all fat - but most women ain't
that big.
- --Steve Chaney
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You of course do know what a lot of Asian women prefer, right? Besides,
after fucking a cute asian chick, experience tells me it isn't all that
except that she looks good on your arm. In bed it ain't much at all. If the
lights go out, any guy whose hormones are more fixed on performance than
looks, is going to go to sleep right there and then.
- --Steve Chaney
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Clarice and Allisson were well beyond a BMI of 25 in their pictures where
they were called cows.
- --Steve Chaney
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If Dutton knocked on Steve's door and Steve shot him in the face, I would
really not care.
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Joseph Meehan
likely to die old.
--
Joseph E. Meehan
26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
"NR" <napalm...@steve-chaney-felches-young-boys903571412.org> wrote in
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Anybody
<sligoj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Got news for you. We will all die. However those who run are more
> likely to die old.
ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!!!
Just like EVERYTHING else, "too much" exercise is detrimental and can
kill you.
Plus, there's ZERO proof that's worth reading (so-called "experts"
change their minds more times than you chew food) to show that doing
exercise has any affect what-so-ever on making people live longer ...
or shorter for that matter.
Note:
By "exercise" I mean going to the gym, jogging, etc., NOT the normal
day-to-day walking, gardening, etc.
Joe
argue that exercising will make you significantly live longer or shorter.
However, they will argue that exercising can significantly improve your
quality of life. Exercise can also help keep a whole host chronic disease
at bay. For someone who is overweight, exercise may be the difference
between dying in wretching agony from failed kidneys or dying naturally from
congestive heart failure. Whether it elongates the life of someone who is
already in the whole remains to be seen.
I think that if you took two identical twins and made one exercise 4 times a
week for 30 min a day for their whole life, while the other was sedentary,
your exercising twin would live longer. That is assuming all other
covariates are held constant. My opinion is not based on any fact, but just
a little intuition.
jOe
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napalm...@steve-chaney-felches-young-boys903571412.org (NR) wrote:
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> How is it that Jim Fixx dropped dead of a heart attack while jogging?!
> I'm crushed.
*running*... not jogging. and running (or jogging) doesn't prevent
death, or heart attacks, but rather enhances the quality of our lives
while we are still around. and it's often true that the health and
fitness gained by running slow down the aging process and reduce risk
of disease.
Cam
--
Not every race can be a perfect experience,
but every race can be a learning experience.
Richard Smith
"NR" <napalm...@steve-chaney-felches-young-boys903571412.org> wrote in
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>
> How is it that Jim Fixx dropped dead of a heart attack while jogging?!
> I'm crushed.
>
>
> NR
It wasn't a heart attack brain dead troll.
Idiot.
Go play in the freeway.
R
Barbi
"NR" <napalm...@steve-chaney-felches-young-boys903571412.org> wrote in
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Sam
Smoker (he stopped once he began running)
Inactivity for several years.
It can be argued that he would have died much younger had he not started
running. In addition, read his book and check out the quality of his life.
I believed his father died at a very young age and that Fixx died many years
later than his father did.
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Sam
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> <sligoj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Got news for you. We will all die. However those who run are more
> > likely to die old.
>
> ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!!!
>
> Just like EVERYTHING else, "too much" exercise is detrimental and can
> kill you.
>
> Plus, there's ZERO proof that's worth reading (so-called "experts"
> change their minds more times than you chew food) to show that doing
> exercise has any affect what-so-ever on making people live longer ...
> or shorter for that matter.
You might want to check out Paffenberger's epidemiological
studies (mostly looking at white males). Also see the studies on British
bus drivers and ticket takers. Lastly check the data from Cooper's Clinic
that moving from the lowest quintile of fitness (as assessed by VO2max)
reduced ALL CAUSE MORTALITY.
>
> Note:
> By "exercise" I mean going to the gym, jogging, etc., NOT the normal
> day-to-day walking, gardening, etc.
Even some of those activities have positive benefits in weight
management (although I guess that since this is going to the fat acceptance
group that there is little interest in that). It is just that the dose is
small so it takes longer.
Sam
"Joe" <joebl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think most real experts in the field of aging and exercise. will
> argue that exercising will make you significantly live longer or shorter.
Cooper's Clinic, Paffenberger, Blair, etc have the data that
increasing fitness reduces all cause mortality.
Wayne S. Hill
> You might want to check out Paffenberger's
> epidemiological studies (mostly looking at white males).
> Also see the studies on British bus drivers and ticket
> takers. Lastly check the data from Cooper's Clinic that
> moving from the lowest quintile of fitness (as assessed by
> VO2max) reduced ALL CAUSE MORTALITY.
Lowest quintile of fitness? OK, so if you're in terrible
shape, your all-cause mortality is higher than if you're not.
Getting out of this lowest quintile is pretty easy. IIRC, you
can achieve this feat by climbing as few as 100 steps per day.
--
-Wayne
slotman1958
> I'm crushed.
>
Jim Fixx had an undiagnosed, congenital heart defect. He ignored the
chest pains he was having, went out for a run anyway, and died.
This sounds like the old "I know a guy who's 95 and smoked all his
life, etc." argument.
If you are too stupid and stubborn, nothing, not common sense,
documented scientific evidence, or what you can see with your own eyes
is going to convince you.
A Platoon Sergeant I had in the Army had a saying "Those who can, do.
Those who can't make excuses."
Slotman
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Lee Michaels
"slotman1958" <slotm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > How is it that Jim Fixx dropped dead of a heart attack while jogging?!
> > I'm crushed.
> >
>
> Jim Fixx had an undiagnosed, congenital heart defect. He ignored the
> chest pains he was having, went out for a run anyway, and died.
>
> This sounds like the old "I know a guy who's 95 and smoked all his
> life, etc." argument.
>
> If you are too stupid and stubborn, nothing, not common sense,
> documented scientific evidence, or what you can see with your own eyes
> is going to convince you.
>
> A Platoon Sergeant I had in the Army had a saying "Those who can, do.
> Those who can't make excuses."
>
Isn't there an academic verssion of that?
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
Banty
says...
>
>> How is it that Jim Fixx dropped dead of a heart attack while jogging?!
>> I'm crushed.
>>
>
>Jim Fixx had an undiagnosed, congenital heart defect. He ignored the
>chest pains he was having, went out for a run anyway, and died.
>
>This sounds like the old "I know a guy who's 95 and smoked all his
>life, etc." argument.
>
>If you are too stupid and stubborn, nothing, not common sense,
>documented scientific evidence, or what you can see with your own eyes
>is going to convince you.
That a single example from all the way back to 1984 is all they can point to is
pretty good witness to the fact that this is an atypical occurance.
Banty
Dokter
> I'm crushed.
>
>
> NR
So living kills, what else is new?
Joe
Good to hear that some researchers have found that.
Thanks,
JOe
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WasteNotWantNot
I think it's interesting that in his early days Dr. Kenneth Cooper was
a proponent of the 'no pain, no gain' theory of health. Now that he's
older and can't do much he finds that simple walking is the best
exercise. He found studies that proved both plans at the times. I also
saw a study that found people who thought they were eating a healthy
diet were healthier even though they were not on the generally
accepted healthy diet.
Wayne S. Hill
> That a single example from all the way back to 1984 is all
> they can point to is pretty good witness to the fact that
> this is an atypical occurance.
>
> Banty
Just out of curiosity, from what newsgroup did this fascinating
sentence construction originate?
--
-Wayne
Brian Jones
Brian Jones
"Wayne S. Hill" <hil...@asme.org> wrote in message
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Banty
I trust you both are literate enough to have understood it.
Banty
Steve_Chaney,_aka_Papa_Gunnykins_=AE
>This subject certainly has gotten a lot of attention here. I
>couldn't resist putting my two cents in, having written a book about
>fat women (The Invisible Woman: Confronting Weight Prejudice In
>America). The fact of the matter is that some men like fat women
>just like some women like short men, or bald men, or old men, or men
>with glasses, etc.
>
>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc. This is a
>stereotype which is no less destructive than one which suggests that
>short men as a class have a "Napoleon complex," are sexually
>inferior, less masculine than tall men, and so on.
>
>Economically speaking, weight loss is a $35 billion a year business,
>and the people who stand to gain (so to speak) from that business
>have promoted the stereotype of the fat woman as unlovable loser very
>successfully. They exploit the natural fear of loneliness felt by
>most human beings, and the need for attention and approval.
>
>On a social level, weight prejudice hits women much harder than it
>does men (although men often take their fair share of abuse on this
>subject), with the definition of "fat" encompassing more and more
>women all the time. One of the most unpleasant things I have
>consistently heard while promoting my book in bookstores and schools
>is from the thin woman who gains 5 or 10 pounds (and is still thin)
>and nevertheless gets no end of abuse and threats from her family,
>boyfriend and/or husband, who tell her she's fat and therefore ugly.
>
>When even thin women are being told that they'd better watch out or
>love and acceptance will be withdrawn, it's obvious there's much more
>to this whole subject than just weight alone. I always tell these
>women, whether they're fat or thin, that the message they're getting
>is that they are expected to look to others (family, boyfriend,
>husband) for information on whether or not they're "okay," and that
>it is a control issue, both on a personal and a political level. A
>woman who believes she is ugly and unlovable is much more likely to
>be grateful for any attention she receives, and much easier to
>control and dominate.
>
>Thus, the more compelling question is not "Why do fat women turn men
>off?" but rather "Why do people expend so much time, money and energy
>to reinforce the idea that fat women are all alike, all bad, and turn
>off all men?" Who benefits from making most women, even thin women,
>feel ugly and supposedly worthless, and who suffers for it?
> --W. Charisse Goodman
Fat women are sexually worthless to most men.
-- Steve
漱滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕內
Steve Chaney
gunh...@vegetus.pacbell.net
Remove "Vegetus." to get my real email address
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"Outside of this group, I don't remember hearing anyone in RL say that fat
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happened to her." - Brenda Lee Ehmka, Message-ID:
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vetting your rage toward thorugh all forms of harassment. Do you realize
that?" - Sunny, on Jade's life in a nutshell
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nimue
People can understand it, just like people can understand what their
toddlers are saying. However, a truly literate person would never write a
sentence like that. It's not a clear, well-constructed sentence. Try "Only
one example can be found, and this example is 17 years old! This clearly is
not a typical occurrence." Any other suggestions?
>
> Banty
--
nimue
"Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was
that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other
underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people."
Curtis Armstrong
"I don't understand why you don't want to see more of Spike. More
Spike makes everything better. Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike."
Clairel
"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder
Big Red Helmut
in <1AZMBFS237...@anonymous.poster>:
I see you qualified your statement with "most". I'll do a fattie if her
tits are bigger than her waist...otherwise...the dick just won't get hard
:)
BobMac
>>How is it that Jim Fixx dropped dead of a heart attack while jogging?!
>>I'm crushed.
>>
>>
>
> Jim Fixx had an undiagnosed, congenital heart defect. He ignored the
> chest pains he was having, went out for a run anyway, and died.
>
> This sounds like the old "I know a guy who's 95 and smoked all his
> life, etc." argument.
>
> If you are too stupid and stubborn, nothing, not common sense,
> documented scientific evidence, or what you can see with your own eyes
> is going to convince you.
>
> A Platoon Sergeant I had in the Army had a saying "Those who can, do.
> Those who can't make excuses."
>
> Slotman
>
Slot, you can also look at it this way:
Fixx was 2-1 on heart attacks. Before he died, his wife said that he twice came
back from runs and collapsed, turning moderately blue for half an hour. It
actually took three heart attacks to kill him, which is two more chances than
most of us get.
rm
Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins Ž
Ya can't outrun the Reaper.
-- Steve
漱滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕內
Steve Chaney
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"Too late he understood that when you mate with a black
widow spider, you're on the menu tonight."
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The Danimal
> Wendi Goodman (The_Invis...@msn.com) wrote:
> >This subject certainly has gotten a lot of attention here. I
> >couldn't resist putting my two cents in, having written a book about
> >fat women (The Invisible Woman: Confronting Weight Prejudice In
> >America). The fact of the matter is that some men like fat women
How does the number of such men compare to the number of fat women?
> >just like some women like short men,
Why have we never heard from such a woman? I have yet to hear
from a woman who finds short stature preferentially attractive
in a man, although there are some women who are willing to settle
for a short man if they cannot attract any taller men.
> >or bald men, or old men, or men
> >with glasses, etc.
There are probably more women who desire sex with women than
women who desire sex with men who are short, old, bald, and
wear glasses.
A lot of men who are short, old, bald, and wear glasses wouldn't
mind watching some of those women have sex with each other, though.
> >Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
> >persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
> >class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
You only have to "persuade" people to believe something they
do not already believe.
Nobody has to persuade people to think feces stink. We seem to
be genetically programmed to think that. Other animals aren't
bothered by the smell.
Some movies perpetuate the stereotype that farts
stink. But I doubt that's where I got the idea.
> >This is a
> >stereotype which is no less destructive than one which suggests that
> >short men as a class have a "Napoleon complex," are sexually
> >inferior, less masculine than tall men, and so on.
How many women are able to stop regarding short men as sexually
inferior? Sexual attraction is not something a woman decides to
have. It's an involuntary instinctive emotional reaction to the
appropriate sensory cues.
Most attempts to change a person's sexual orientation have failed.
Changing a person's sexual orientation seems to be about as difficult
as persuading a person to enjoy eating feces. If you don't find
feces appetizing right now, odds are you never will, no matter what
behavior modification techniques you try.
> >Economically speaking, weight loss is a $35 billion a year business,
> >and the people who stand to gain (so to speak) from that business
> >have promoted the stereotype of the fat woman as unlovable loser very
> >successfully. They exploit the natural fear of loneliness felt by
> >most human beings, and the need for attention and approval.
Now this is peculiar, the suggestion that sexual preferences are
acquired from culture, but these other emotions are "natural."
If society is responsible for persuading most people to find
fat women and short men sexually repulsive, why isn't society
equally responsible for persuading most people to fear loneliness
and to need attention and approval?
If people need attention and approval why not try to eliminate
such infantile urges in yourself, instead of trying to browbeat others
into giving you attention and approval? Presumably a person would
have more control over his or her own emotions than over anybody
else's.
If a woman cannot overcome her own desire for attention and
approval, how can she expect a man to overcome his own desire
for slender women?
> >On a social level, weight prejudice hits women much harder than it
> >does men (although men often take their fair share of abuse on this
> >subject),
Only if you ignore, as you do, the emotional devastation a man
experiences when his formerly slender attractive woman balloons
into a repulsive eyesore.
When a woman chooses to yield to her gluttonous urges, she is not
the only person she hurts.
When a woman yields to gluttony, she gets to enjoy the eating.
The man in her life probably gets no pleasure from her
decision.
> >with the definition of "fat" encompassing more and more
> >women all the time.
The definition of "fat" has not changed as much as women have
changed. Women are objectively fatter, on average, than they
were 50 years ago, in most modern countries.
> >One of the most unpleasant things I have
> >consistently heard while promoting my book in bookstores and schools
> >is from the thin woman who gains 5 or 10 pounds (and is still thin)
She might still be thin, but on some women even a fairly small weight
gain can dramatically affect their appearance, particularly if the
weight shows up as cellulite, or the gain is nonuniform.
Something like 80% of women have some degree of cellulite, even
women who are not overweight, and for such women a gain of 10 pounds
of fat can make that cellulite visible from a much longer distance.
Maybe from hundreds of feet away when she walks around in shorts.
Check out the models who pose for publications catering to men. Most
of them aren't as thin as the models who pose for publications catering
to women, but they are virtually all remarkably free of cellulite.
It's pretty clear most men find women more attractive when women do
not have the dimpled pockmarked appearance of cellulite.
Most men are willing to overlook some cellulite (since most women
have it) but I doubt there are many men who specifically *prefer* it.
> >and nevertheless gets no end of abuse and threats from her family,
> >boyfriend and/or husband, who tell her she's fat and therefore ugly.
If a woman attracts a man in part by being at a certain weight,
then of course he might mind if she pulls the bait-and-switch.
It's like when a man attracts a woman by having money, and then
quits working and starts gambling his money away. The woman will
regard his behavior change as a threat to her interests. She will
resent the fact that he is abandoning his implicit commitment to
continue being the man she selected. If she had wanted a lazy
man who gambles, she could have found such a man easily.
Even if he only starts slipping a little at first, she will be
concerned about the future trend. If a man never gambled before,
and then he starts, who knows where it will end?
Few people gain just ten pounds of fat and then stop. It's more
likely they will keep getting fatter, once they start down that
slippery slope.
The more people complain about a small weight gain, the faster the
weight gain probably was. If a woman gains 10 pounds in a few months,
people will notice that a lot more than if she gains it over 20 years.
A rapid weight gain is more likely to indicate a dangerous trend.
> >When even thin women are being told that they'd better watch out or
> >love and acceptance will be withdrawn, it's obvious there's much more
> >to this whole subject than just weight alone. I always tell these
> >women, whether they're fat or thin, that the message they're getting
> >is that they are expected to look to others (family, boyfriend,
> >husband) for information on whether or not they're "okay," and that
> >it is a control issue, both on a personal and a political level.
Suppose you got on an elevator next to a person who began farting.
A lot. If you told the person to stop farting, would that be a
"control issue" on your part, or would it simply mean you think
another person's farts stink?
It's silly to dance all around the real issue here. If a woman wants
a man in her life, she needs to please him. If he tells her what he
finds pleasing, then it's up to her to decide where her priorities
are. Maybe she decides the cost of pleasing that particular man
outweighs the benefit.
A glance around shows lots of women enjoy scarfing doughnuts
more than they enjoy pleasing men. If that's what women want,
it's their choice, but it's important for people to understand
exactly what choice they are making. If a woman genuinely does
like doughnuts more than men, she should admit that to herself,
to the world, and allow other people to have their opinions about
what she is doing.
If she tries to live in denial about the unavoidable tradeoff
between doughnuts and men, then she's simply deluding herself.
To play any sort of game, you have to meet certain conditions.
To play a musical instrument, you have to have some ability,
and you have to practice a lot. Same with sports, jobs, anything
that is not an entitlement.
Relationships are not entitlements. They are the most Darwinian
aspect of modern existence.
> >A
> >woman who believes she is ugly and unlovable is much more likely to
> >be grateful for any attention she receives, and much easier to
> >control and dominate.
Would it be possible for me to use this strategy on a woman
who works as a professional cheerleader for a major sports team?
It's very unlikely any one person could convince a hot cheerleader
she is ugly and unloveable because she receives constant
reinforcement from the environment that she is highly desirable
to many men.
Most women are smart enough to figure out how much they are really
worth to men, even if they cannot bring themselves to consciously
admit the truth.
> >Thus, the more compelling question is not "Why do fat women turn men
> >off?"
Actually that is a highly compelling question.
In many animal species, males show no selectivity whatsoever:
they automatically mate with any receptive female. It's remarkable
that most human males would actually reject significant
fractions of human females if those females offered them sex.
This is so peculiar that it demands an explanation.
Choosiness among human males probably means that during our
evolutionary history, there was some severe reproductive cost
to indiscriminate mating by our male ancestors, and this cost
held up over many generations. Genes which coded for male
selectivity somehow gained a reproductive advantage and became
dominant among human males.
Even so, human males are still not as selective as human females.
In studies where people were randomly assigned partners for blind
dates, the men wanted a second date about twice as often as the
women did.
> >but rather "Why do people expend so much time, money and energy
> >to reinforce the idea that fat women are all alike, all bad, and turn
> >off all men?"
Who is doing that? Advertisers generally cannot afford to radically
change anybody's beliefs. That takes too long, and a competitor is
likely to benefit anyway, by the time someone makes up their mind to
buy a product they initially rejected.
Consider automobile ads. They basically appeal to people who already
want cars. The ads never address people who hate cars now and need
to have their minds changed. Instead the ads assume you want a car,
and they tell you why you want *THIS* car.
Advertisers try to sell specific products, namely their own. It
doesn't help Toyota to persuade someone to buy a Hummer.
Toyota would be happy if you thought Hummers were garbage. The
ads might attack competing implementations of a general concept
as well as they might push the concept.
A SlimFast commercial is not trying to sell people on the concept
of being slim. People already get that. Instead the ad is trying
to sell people on the concept of SlimFast.
An even more compelling question is why some people keep trying to
formulate false dichotomies.
Everybody knows there are *some* men who are capable of
functioning sexually even with extremely fat women. A few of those
men might choose fat women even if they could attract slender women,
although this is difficult to test because almost no men who have
sex with fat women are breaking slender women's hearts to do it.
[Any slender women reading this, care to chime in? How many of you
have lost a husband or a boyfriend to a much fatter woman?
How many of you feel threatened when you see a much fatter
woman showing lascivious intent toward your man? Maybe you would
worry about breaking a rib by laughing too hard.]
It seems most men who have a choice will chose slender women.
This means a slender woman has more choices in men than a fat
woman. The compelling question is, why do some women value
gluttony more than they value maximizing their choices in men?
> >Who benefits from making most women, even thin women,
> >feel ugly and supposedly worthless, and who suffers for it?
Good question. Who benefits from making dogs and cats more popular
as pets than squirrels and raccoons?
I would guess most people who want a dog or a cat aren't
even thinking about the squirrels and raccoons. If the squirrels
and raccoons were sufficiently egomaniacal, they might interpret
another person's indifference toward them as being somehow all
*about* them.
Most people expend no conscious effort whatsoever to convey their
indifference. A lot of people who snub us probably aren't even
aware of it.
> > --W. Charisse Goodman
>
> Fat women are sexually worthless to most men.
>
> -- Steve
> º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤º
> Steve Chaney
> gunh...@vegetus.pacbell.net
> Remove "Vegetus." to get my real email address
-- the Danimal
Carnivore269
> Wendi Goodman (The_Invis...@msn.com) wrote:
>
> Fat women are sexually worthless to most men.
>
> -- Steve
> Steve Chaney
Only to men like you with teeny weenies. ;-)
C.
MJL
>gunh...@vegetus.pacbell.net (Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins Ž) wrote in message news:<1AZMBFS237...@anonymous.poster>...
>> Wendi Goodman (The_Invis...@msn.com) wrote:
>> >This subject certainly has gotten a lot of attention here. I
>> >couldn't resist putting my two cents in, having written a book about
>> >fat women (The Invisible Woman: Confronting Weight Prejudice In
>> >America). The fact of the matter is that some men like fat women
>
>How does the number of such men compare to the number of fat women?
>
Good point. There ARE men who like obese women, there can be no
doubt. But, in a world where a woman can go out on any given night of
the week and get laid I think the exception to that rule is a fat
woman. Fat women are, in general, the least desirable women and often
have to go without sex, not by choice but simply because there are no
fatty-chasers in the vacinity. I believe this is the reason that fat
women are often among the most bitter of human beings on this earth.
However, I have noticed that black men seem to have a taste for fat
white women. So there is hope for them.
>> >Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
>> >persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
>> >class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
>
>You only have to "persuade" people to believe something they
>do not already believe.
>
So much is learned but there ARE certain things that human beings
learn much faster and more readily. It has been shown that children
are not born afraid of spiders but will pick up that fear much faster
than other fears if shown by an adult. So yes, men probably learn
that fat women are icky but it isn't exactly a tough sell.
>> >One of the most unpleasant things I have
>> >consistently heard while promoting my book in bookstores and schools
>> >is from the thin woman who gains 5 or 10 pounds (and is still thin)
>
>She might still be thin, but on some women even a fairly small weight
>gain can dramatically affect their appearance, particularly if the
>weight shows up as cellulite, or the gain is nonuniform.
>
>Something like 80% of women have some degree of cellulite, even
>women who are not overweight, and for such women a gain of 10 pounds
>of fat can make that cellulite visible from a much longer distance.
>Maybe from hundreds of feet away when she walks around in shorts.
>
>Check out the models who pose for publications catering to men. Most
>of them aren't as thin as the models who pose for publications catering
>to women, but they are virtually all remarkably free of cellulite.
>It's pretty clear most men find women more attractive when women do
>not have the dimpled pockmarked appearance of cellulite.
>
>Most men are willing to overlook some cellulite (since most women
>have it) but I doubt there are many men who specifically *prefer* it.
>
I find it repulsive but it is true than most women have it. Heck,
I've got a bit of it myself. Your point is well taken and you're
quite right that even a small weight gain can make cellulite much much
worse.
>> >and nevertheless gets no end of abuse and threats from her family,
>> >boyfriend and/or husband, who tell her she's fat and therefore ugly.
>
>If a woman attracts a man in part by being at a certain weight,
>then of course he might mind if she pulls the bait-and-switch.
>
>It's like when a man attracts a woman by having money, and then
>quits working and starts gambling his money away. The woman will
>regard his behavior change as a threat to her interests. She will
>resent the fact that he is abandoning his implicit commitment to
>continue being the man she selected. If she had wanted a lazy
>man who gambles, she could have found such a man easily.
>
>Even if he only starts slipping a little at first, she will be
>concerned about the future trend. If a man never gambled before,
>and then he starts, who knows where it will end?
>
>Few people gain just ten pounds of fat and then stop. It's more
>likely they will keep getting fatter, once they start down that
>slippery slope.
>
>The more people complain about a small weight gain, the faster the
>weight gain probably was. If a woman gains 10 pounds in a few months,
>people will notice that a lot more than if she gains it over 20 years.
>A rapid weight gain is more likely to indicate a dangerous trend.
>
My own personal experience is that if you complain fast and strong
that a woman WILL reverse course. If you try to be "fat-accepting"
you will have a cow on your hands in less than a year. And she will
say "but you said it was OK" and you'll say "I thought you'd see it
and get disgusted" and then you both have a problem.
>> >When even thin women are being told that they'd better watch out or
>> >love and acceptance will be withdrawn, it's obvious there's much more
>> >to this whole subject than just weight alone. I always tell these
>> >women, whether they're fat or thin, that the message they're getting
>> >is that they are expected to look to others (family, boyfriend,
>> >husband) for information on whether or not they're "okay," and that
>> >it is a control issue, both on a personal and a political level.
>
>Suppose you got on an elevator next to a person who began farting.
>A lot. If you told the person to stop farting, would that be a
>"control issue" on your part, or would it simply mean you think
>another person's farts stink?
>
>It's silly to dance all around the real issue here. If a woman wants
>a man in her life, she needs to please him. If he tells her what he
>finds pleasing, then it's up to her to decide where her priorities
>are. Maybe she decides the cost of pleasing that particular man
>outweighs the benefit.
>
Precisely. She can always walk if the man in her life wanting her to
remain sexy is too much of a burden for her. She won't, women know
that outside the relationship that the environment is a hell of a lot
more demanding. It is NOT wrong to want your woman to maintain the
physique she had when you met her nor is it wrong for her to expect
the same of you.
>A glance around shows lots of women enjoy scarfing doughnuts
>more than they enjoy pleasing men. If that's what women want,
>it's their choice, but it's important for people to understand
>exactly what choice they are making. If a woman genuinely does
>like doughnuts more than men, she should admit that to herself,
>to the world, and allow other people to have their opinions about
>what she is doing.
>
>If she tries to live in denial about the unavoidable tradeoff
>between doughnuts and men, then she's simply deluding herself.
>
>To play any sort of game, you have to meet certain conditions.
>To play a musical instrument, you have to have some ability,
>and you have to practice a lot. Same with sports, jobs, anything
>that is not an entitlement.
>
>Relationships are not entitlements. They are the most Darwinian
>aspect of modern existence.
>
I may disagree with that last part. But that would be a long post all
its own.
>> >A
>> >woman who believes she is ugly and unlovable is much more likely to
>> >be grateful for any attention she receives, and much easier to
>> >control and dominate.
>
>Would it be possible for me to use this strategy on a woman
>who works as a professional cheerleader for a major sports team?
>
>It's very unlikely any one person could convince a hot cheerleader
>she is ugly and unloveable because she receives constant
>reinforcement from the environment that she is highly desirable
>to many men.
>
However, i have known truly sexy women who thought they were horribly
ugly. But really you have to be a parent or a sibling to instill THAT
kind of damaged self-image. YOU could not do that to a hot
cheerleader unless her dad or mom or a couple of brothers and sisters
had beat you to it. Fat people who have very supportive and loving
parents will still know they look gross because of the "prevailing
wind" of society.
>Most women are smart enough to figure out how much they are really
>worth to men, even if they cannot bring themselves to consciously
>admit the truth.
>
True! Even the truly damaged are dimly aware of their SMV.
>> >Thus, the more compelling question is not "Why do fat women turn men
>> >off?"
>
>Actually that is a highly compelling question.
>
>In many animal species, males show no selectivity whatsoever:
>they automatically mate with any receptive female. It's remarkable
>that most human males would actually reject significant
>fractions of human females if those females offered them sex.
>This is so peculiar that it demands an explanation.
>
>Choosiness among human males probably means that during our
>evolutionary history, there was some severe reproductive cost
>to indiscriminate mating by our male ancestors, and this cost
>held up over many generations. Genes which coded for male
>selectivity somehow gained a reproductive advantage and became
>dominant among human males.
>
Well, as far as I know most of human history that we know of shows
that humans lived in small bands of about 100. In this situation it
seems fairly clear that the man will have SOME obligation to raise the
children he fathers. However, I suspect that fat women would have
looked irresistible to our "cave dwelling" ancestors. I don't know
that we can look to hard coded genetics to figure out why men find
fatties repulsive. As we all know there have been times in modern
history when the reubinesque women was the height of sexual
attractiveness. Today, that same woman would be considered a huge
sloppy mess. I dare say the evidence does point to a more societal
based explanation of this current repulsion to the image of the fat
woman.
>Everybody knows there are *some* men who are capable of
>functioning sexually even with extremely fat women. A few of those
>men might choose fat women even if they could attract slender women,
>although this is difficult to test because almost no men who have
>sex with fat women are breaking slender women's hearts to do it.
>
Heh, nice line.
>[Any slender women reading this, care to chime in? How many of you
>have lost a husband or a boyfriend to a much fatter woman?
>How many of you feel threatened when you see a much fatter
>woman showing lascivious intent toward your man? Maybe you would
>worry about breaking a rib by laughing too hard.]
>
>It seems most men who have a choice will chose slender women.
>This means a slender woman has more choices in men than a fat
>woman. The compelling question is, why do some women value
>gluttony more than they value maximizing their choices in men?
>
Women are not nearly as horny as men. Yes ladies, I know you THINK
you are but trust me, you aren't. I think for fat women they honestly
do like food more than maximizing their choice in men. Their attempts
to alter society to fit their lifestyle choices is not troubling to
me. In fact, I think everyone does that to one degree or another.
Just look at NAMBLA for an extreme example. Everyone wants their
particular lifestyle choices to be the norm, to be admired and
respected. Fat women are no different in that regard.
>> >Who benefits from making most women, even thin women,
>> >feel ugly and supposedly worthless, and who suffers for it?
>
>Good question. Who benefits from making dogs and cats more popular
>as pets than squirrels and raccoons?
>
>I would guess most people who want a dog or a cat aren't
>even thinking about the squirrels and raccoons. If the squirrels
>and raccoons were sufficiently egomaniacal, they might interpret
>another person's indifference toward them as being somehow all
>*about* them.
>
>Most people expend no conscious effort whatsoever to convey their
>indifference. A lot of people who snub us probably aren't even
>aware of it.
Men expend an extraordinary amount of time and effort trying to get
their winkie wacked. In the often single minded rush to get the most
sexy woman they can find in the shortest amount of time they are not
thinking at all about the ones that fall by the wayside. The ones who
fall by the wayside early on are not likely to be picked up by the
losers who are coming back and combing the road for the ones they
passed by initially.
If I could suggest something to fat women it would be this. Perhaps
the most favorable thing they could do as a group is make it more
acceptable for fat women to show express sexual interest. Up to an
including asking men out. I have noticed that woman in the USA have a
very very strong inhibition against overt sexual advances and/or
asking men out. Perhaps if fat women became a more proactive group
they would develop a competitive advantage in that regard over thinner
woman who are used to being chased by a dozen men at once.
A proactive approach for an intractable problem.
Lady Veteran
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On 27 Sep 2003 21:14:02 -0700, Carniv...@hotmail.com
(Carnivore269) wrote:
It is Steve's forger that has the teeny weenie..
That is why he is called Dicky Nonads.
LV
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Support bacteria - they're the only culture
some people have." -Stephen Wright
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Ridicule of fat people is never acceptable.
Those who insist on doing this are living
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Chris Taylor Jr
to have heatlhy advancing off spring. this means HEALTHY women and men for
each other.
Being fat is being BROKEN. Damaged, Defective (yes I am quite fat)
we are tainted merchandise. I do not go out on dates. why. pretty much the
only one who would be likely to date me are fat women and I have no interest
in fat women.
and skinny woman as a whole are not likely to be interested in a fat man.
so why force someone to have to say No ?
In fact I think it would be unfair to put a women in that position to begin
with.
I am damaged goods. I am working to fix myself.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
Lady Veteran
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<nos...@nerys.com> wrote:
>It is genetics. we are hard coded to seek out a mate who will be
>most likely to have heatlhy advancing off spring. this means HEALTHY
>women and men for each other.
>
>Being fat is being BROKEN. Damaged, Defective (yes I am quite fat)
That is poor self confidence speaking. You are no more broken than
any other human being. The idiots must be creaming their jeans by
now....(grrr!)
>
>we are tainted merchandise. I do not go out on dates. why. pretty
>much the only one who would be likely to date me are fat women and I
>have no interest in fat women.
We are not tainted. Everybody is entitled to exercise their
preferences in who they date. However put downs and ridicule is
neither necessary nor warranted. You make a lot of assumptions about
things that only make you miserable.
>
>and skinny woman as a whole are not likely to be interested in a fat
>man.
So find the one who is....big deal?
>
>so why force someone to have to say No ?
You don't have any control over their attitude but you can control
yours. If you do as you have always done-you will get what you have
always gotten.
So get busy!
>
>In fact I think it would be unfair to put a women in that position
>to begin with.
You must want to be celibate. If that is true then say so...
>
>I am damaged goods. I am working to fix myself.
You have a lot to learn kiddo....pleasing idiots is not the way to
go.
>
>Chris Taylor
>http://www.nerys.com/
>
LV
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- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
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Support bacteria - they're the only culture
some people have." -Stephen Wright
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Ridicule of fat people is never acceptable.
Those who insist on doing this are living
examples of that old Chinese proverb:
Keep mouth closed and be thought a fool:
Open mouth and remove all doubt.
In other words, they are idiots.
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la n.
"Chris Taylor Jr" <nos...@nerys.com> wrote in message
news:10648013...@newshost02.voicenet.com...
> It is genetics. we are hard coded to seek out a mate who will be most
likely
> to have heatlhy advancing off spring. this means HEALTHY women and men for
> each other.
>
> Being fat is being BROKEN. Damaged, Defective (yes I am quite fat)
>
> we are tainted merchandise. I do not go out on dates. why. pretty much the
> only one who would be likely to date me are fat women and I have no
interest
> in fat women.
>
> and skinny woman as a whole are not likely to be interested in a fat man.
>
> so why force someone to have to say No ?
>
> In fact I think it would be unfair to put a women in that position to
begin
> with.
>
> I am damaged goods. I am working to fix myself.
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/
>
Do you know what? I would like to see you change your
thinking. What you are saying about yourself is like a
negative affirmation. "I am damaged goods. I am working
to fix myself."
If you believe yourself to be "damaged goods", "defective",
you are at greater risk of (self) sabotaging any efforts to change.
You're going to have lots more success if you say something
like, "I'm a fantastic, wonderful human being, worthy of love,
and I'm going to get better every day."
This self-talk practiced daily, over time, will reconstruct the
hardwiring in your brain
Plus it will make the journey much more pleasant.
la n.
Chris Taylor Jr
the human frame of my dimensions is not "designed" to function carrying this
much mass.
My bones are not designed to handle it.
My heart and immune systems are not designed to have to continiously 24
hours a day work this hard.
I have "zero" self confidence issue. I am extremely maybe overly self
confident of myself. I also have no ego issues it does not control me and I
keep it in check.
but I do have a way of seeing something for what it is. being 365 pounds is
simply wrong in every way. on order for this much mass to be normal I would
have to be something like 8 or 9 feet tall.
and we saw what happens when you are that tall. you die young. the human
structure is simply not designed for it.
I am "well outside" of design specs you could say and this will dramatically
increase wear and tear and reduce health.
Knowing something and losing confidence and ego over something do NOT have
to be one and the same.
I personally think I look ugly. not ugly looks wise. I am not an "ugly"
person at least I do not think so. but I am ugly SIZE wise. I am massive.
you really have to SEE to understand.
I went out to LA to see one of my favorite singers. Yui Hsu. it was amazing.
now she is a very small person but she looked like absolutely TINY when I
stood next to her.
if you opened me up you could nearly fit two of her in their :-)
its just not normal. that is why I can not "accept" fatness. it is improper
and abnormal and unhealthy.
You hear me say these things and you mistakenly attach them to lack of
confidence or ego. this is not the case. I agree for most if probably would
be the case but not for me. call me the exception if you will. I am an
extraordinarily strong willed person.
I a very self confident and secure in who and what I am. their are no doubts
or issue with that.
many things bug me but I do not let them "control" me.
being fat bugs me in extreme. it hits me where it most hurts. life span. I
want to live forever and taking any years off that simply because I was lazy
and got fat is just not accetable.
I have just started to notice health impacts of being so heavy (feet hurting
after even a SHORT walk) it really brought it home that this is not only a
problem but one that needs to be fixed RIGHT NOW.
Hey. Never sad I was normal :-)
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
Chris Taylor Jr
saying I am damaged goods is in fact correct.
if a screw has threads that are stripped it is outside of its useful design
specs. it is damaged.
my body is simply that. an organic machine. it is currenty WELL Outside of
its intended design specifications and therfore damaged.
NOW what you say would be true if I had low self esteem or a weak ego etc..
and I let it "get me down" etc.. (I think you get the idea) then you would
be right.
but that is not the case.
I have a very strong ego and self esteme. and am very strong willed. I am
very secure in who and what I am. no "mental" issues here.
but I am also practical and sensible.
I know what I know. I see my condition for what it is.
I am broken. what makes me differ from what you "think" I am is that this
just FEEDS my will ego and esteem to repair the damage so that I am "within
useful specs" again. so that I am normal. Not Broken.
the first step to successfully solving a problem is to recognize that their
is indeed a problem.
I did this. I am fat. I am broken. Now I must FIX myself regardless of how
hard it is.
Simple as that. nothing else implied or hidden their.
Hope that clarifies things.
TO call myself anything but broken is pussy footing around the problem.
REDUCE the severity of the problem. and would only be counterproductive to
fixing the problem.
if I do not truly see myself as broken how can I see my self as needing to
be fixed ?
la n.
Admit you have a problem. Then work on it.
But look at the problem as being using food as a medicator
rather than your body being defective.
Also, don't feel that you are less worthy of love because
you are fat. That is a self-defeating attitude.
You are not more worthy of love when you are thin than
when you are fat. This will be a difficult concept for you
to grasp right now, but I believe it is/was your (low) self-
esteem issues that have kept you addicted to food. A
healthier self-esteem will be more productive in the short
and long run ...
la n.
"Chris Taylor Jr" <nos...@nerys.com> wrote in message
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Lady Veteran
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So if you feel that way, why haven't you addressed the problem before
now?
I think you like thinking of yourself that way and that you have no
intention of changing. It is a "this is how I get rid of idiots-I
agree with them and then they leave me alone."
You want to think of yourself as damaged goods, so be it. You are
not an exception. Most fat people think of themselves that way.
That is what has to change.
Be fat or skinny, whatever-but do it because that is what YOU
want-not some idiot with delusions of humanity.
LV
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when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
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Support bacteria - they're the only culture
some people have." -Stephen Wright
- -------------------------------------------
Ridicule of fat people is never acceptable.
Those who insist on doing this are living
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Keep mouth closed and be thought a fool:
Open mouth and remove all doubt.
In other words, they are idiots.
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wrote:
> You know what? Then more power to you.
>
>Admit you have a problem. Then work on it.
>
>But look at the problem as being using food as a medicator
>rather than your body being defective.
Or why you are using food as a medicator.
Kim
(snip)
Super Spark Ž
"Chris Taylor Jr" <nos...@nerys.com> wrote:
> It is genetics. we are hard coded to seek out a mate who will be most likely
> to have heatlhy advancing off spring. this means HEALTHY women and men for
> each other.
>
> Being fat is being BROKEN. Damaged, Defective (yes I am quite fat)
>
> we are tainted merchandise.
100% accurate.
>I do not go out on dates. why. pretty much the
> only one who would be likely to date me are fat women and I have no interest
> in fat women.
Do you find fat women sexually repulsive?
> and skinny woman as a whole are not likely to be interested in a fat man.
>
> so why force someone to have to say No ?
>
> In fact I think it would be unfair to put a women in that position to begin
> with.
>
> I am damaged goods. I am working to fix myself.
Good for you.
Super Spark Ž
"la n." <nilit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Cut the psuedo-psycho flowery self love crap. Accepting yourself "as you
are" does not manifest change.
Super Spark Ž
"la n." <nilit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You know what? Then more power to you.
>
> Admit you have a problem. Then work on it.
>
> But look at the problem as being using food as a medicator
> rather than your body being defective.
>
> Also, don't feel that you are less worthy of love because
> you are fat. That is a self-defeating attitude.
>
> You are not more worthy of love when you are thin than
> when you are fat. This will be a difficult concept for you
> to grasp right now, but I believe it is/was your (low) self-
> esteem issues that have kept you addicted to food. A
> healthier self-esteem will be more productive in the short
> and long run ...
>
> la n.
Wow, you respond like you didn't even read his post. Neat trick.
Super Spark Ž
"Chris Taylor Jr" <nos...@nerys.com> wrote:
Your honesty is fantastic. Don't let the food addicts in here drag you
down to their sewery level of accepting obesity.
Super Spark (R)
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>
> >It is genetics. we are hard coded to seek out a mate who will be
> >most likely to have heatlhy advancing off spring. this means HEALTHY
> >women and men for each other.
> >
> >Being fat is being BROKEN. Damaged, Defective (yes I am quite fat)
>
> That is poor self confidence speaking. You are no more broken than
> any other human being. The idiots must be creaming their jeans by
> now....(grrr!)
Idiots? That would be you, eh, dumbass? A fat person admitting that
being obese is a defect isn't exactly fat-accepting, is it...?
> >we are tainted merchandise. I do not go out on dates. why. pretty
> >much the only one who would be likely to date me are fat women and I
> >have no interest in fat women.
>
> We are not tainted.
You are very very tainted, Lardy Vet. You're a repulsive human being,
inside and out. Plus, you've got the IQ of a bag of wet leather.
Check the headers!!!! LMAO.
>Everybody is entitled to exercise their
> preferences in who they date.
Does this mean you force people (other fat lesbians, farm animals,
retarded adults, blind people) to date you? How's that working out? When
was your last date?
>However put downs and ridicule is
> neither necessary nor warranted. You make a lot of assumptions about
> things that only make you miserable.
Do you take it as a personal affront that a fat man admits he won't date
fat women?
> >and skinny woman as a whole are not likely to be interested in a fat
> >man.
>
> So find the one who is....big deal?
> >
> >so why force someone to have to say No ?
>
> You don't have any control over their attitude but you can control
> yours. If you do as you have always done-you will get what you have
> always gotten.
>
> So get busy!
>
> >
> >In fact I think it would be unfair to put a women in that position
> >to begin with.
>
> You must want to be celibate. If that is true then say so...
> >
> >I am damaged goods. I am working to fix myself.
>
> You have a lot to learn kiddo....pleasing idiots is not the way to
> go.
He's not only non-fat accepting, he's taking the high road to better
health and going to find some hottie to fuck in the process. You'll be
left alone as one of 2-3 fat acceptors that remain here.
Accept your fate and deal with it, Lardy. You're a white trash loser,
and you'll never rise above your station.
Super Spark (R)
Lady Veteran <arm...@jeepweb.com> wrote:
You just cannot imagine some fat guy might actually want to lose weight
for no other reason than he wants to live longer, be healthier and look
better. It's confusing and scary for you, I imagine.
R.Coyote
http://animaltrial.com/animals/Tigerpictures/tigerontheprawlpicturesa.gif
but seriously
try this post on
sci.life-extension
sci.cryonics
Chris Taylor Jr
I am the only one that has to live with me so I am the only one that counts.
I do what I want for what I want regardless of what others want of me.
Other people's delusions are just that. Their delusions and therfore their
problem.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
David
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Martin Thompson
Big Red Helmut at Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> writes:
>>>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
>>>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
>>>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
Aren't (all) fat people necessarily unhealthy?
--
Martin Thompson b...@tucana.demon.co.uk (use "martin" not "bin")
London, UK Home Page: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk
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hundert LKWAS in einer Reihe geht, einige mit Kühen und einige mit
Enten on Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:27:15 +0100:
>14:22:07 Fri, 26 Sep 2003misc.fitness.weights
>Big Red Helmut at Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> writes:
>>>>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
>>>>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
>>>>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
>
>Aren't (all) fat people necessarily unhealthy?
>
hi marty.
**
flaking pup ice never greasy, ice snow
but i hace to go
knowing spiro agnew
its the best i can do
Big Red Helmut
<up6gnv0g8gt4tk3c3...@4ax.com>:
>Blick auf wie gut Martin Thompson <b...@tucana.demon.co.uk> goh, a
>hundert LKWAS in einer Reihe geht, einige mit Kühen und einige mit
>Enten on Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:27:15 +0100:
>
>>14:22:07 Fri, 26 Sep 2003misc.fitness.weights
>>Big Red Helmut at Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> writes:
>>>>>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
>>>>>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
>>>>>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
>>
>>Aren't (all) fat people necessarily unhealthy?
>>
>hi marty.
>
Why are all these FAT ACCEPTORS hanging about in my snuh froup?
Big people scare me!!!!
:(
Daedalus
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>(Carnivore269) wrote:
>
>>gunh...@vegetus.pacbell.net (Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®)
>>wrote in message news:<1AZMBFS237...@anonymous.poster>...
>>> Wendi Goodman (The_Invis...@msn.com) wrote:
>><snipped>
>>>
>>> Fat women are sexually worthless to most men.
>>>
>>> -- Steve
>>> º€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€º
>>> Steve Chaney
>>
>>Only to men like you with teeny weenies. ;-)
>>
>>C.
>
>
>It is Steve's forger that has the teeny weenie..
>
>
>That is why he is called Dicky Nonads.
Have you noticed nobody thinks your attempt at lowbrow nickname humor
is funny but you?
Jade
Daedalus
<fuc...@rightnow.now>, wrote:
>In article <i86fnvot4h8vipnnn...@4ax.com>,
> Lady Veteran <arm...@jeepweb.com> wrote:
>
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>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:21:40 -0400, "Chris Taylor Jr"
>> <nos...@nerys.com> wrote:
>>
>> >It is genetics. we are hard coded to seek out a mate who will be
>> >most likely to have heatlhy advancing off spring. this means HEALTHY
>> >women and men for each other.
>> >
>> >Being fat is being BROKEN. Damaged, Defective (yes I am quite fat)
>>
>> That is poor self confidence speaking. You are no more broken than
>> any other human being. The idiots must be creaming their jeans by
>> now....(grrr!)
>
>Idiots? That would be you, eh, dumbass? A fat person admitting that
>being obese is a defect isn't exactly fat-accepting, is it...?
>
It made her growl.
>
>
>
>> >we are tainted merchandise. I do not go out on dates. why. pretty
>> >much the only one who would be likely to date me are fat women and I
>> >have no interest in fat women.
>>
>> We are not tainted.
>
>You are very very tainted, Lardy Vet. You're a repulsive human being,
>inside and out. Plus, you've got the IQ of a bag of wet leather.
>
>Check the headers!!!! LMAO.
CHECK THE HEADERS!!!!!!!!!
Is the bizarre idea that everyone who is unhappy with their weight is
just trying to "please idiots" an official NAAFA position, or did Lady
Vegetable draft that theory all by herself?
Jade
Claire
>
> -- Steve
Kind of like fat men.
Claire
Chris Taylor Jr
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
A J Davenport
> 14:22:07 Fri, 26 Sep 2003misc.fitness.weights
> Big Red Helmut at Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> writes:
> >>>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
> >>>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
> >>>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
>
> Aren't (all) fat people necessarily unhealthy?
No, not even close.
AJ
Because, somebody has to be the Diva!
A J Davenport
> Big Red Helmut at Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> writes:
> >>>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
> >>>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
> >>>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
>
> Aren't (all) fat people necessarily unhealthy?
No, not even close.
Just like not all not fat people are healthy.
The Danimal
> On 26 Sep 2003 14:58:21 -0700, dmo...@mfm.com (The Danimal) wrote:
> >Relationships are not entitlements. They are the most Darwinian
> >aspect of modern existence.
>
> I may disagree with that last part. But that would be a long post all
> its own.
Another long post might mean the end of Usenet. But at the risk
of poking a stick in the beehive, when I say "relationships are
the most Darwinian aspect of modern existence" I refer to the
general softening of other kinds of Darwinian pressure on
human beings. Modern technology and social organization have
made it possible for humans to survive with defects that would
cause any wild animal to starve or be picked off by predators
in less than a week. In contrast, technology has not really
changed the game rules when it comes to competing for mates.
> >> >A
> >> >woman who believes she is ugly and unlovable is much more likely to
> >> >be grateful for any attention she receives, and much easier to
> >> >control and dominate.
> >
> >Would it be possible for me to use this strategy on a woman
> >who works as a professional cheerleader for a major sports team?
> >
> >It's very unlikely any one person could convince a hot cheerleader
> >she is ugly and unloveable because she receives constant
> >reinforcement from the environment that she is highly desirable
> >to many men.
>
> However, i have known truly sexy women who thought they were horribly
> ugly.
Really? How does woman behave when she thinks she is horribly
ugly?
Does she continue to display exceptional fashion sense?
Does she continue to select her clothing, hairstyle, and accessories
with great care?
Does she avoid being seen in night clubs popular with physically
attractive people?
Does she die of shock when a man compliments her appearance?
I have known truly sexy women who understood the value of
making the requisite self-deprecating remarks. What's a truly sexy
woman supposed to do? Just come right out and acknowledge how truly
sexy she is? The other women would hate her even more than they
already do.
A truly sexy woman has to walk a fine line between displaying her
physical beauty without being seen as calling attention to it too
overtly, lest she trigger too much resentment from the following
two groups:
1. Her competition
2. The insufficiently attractive men she frustrates by not finding
them attractive
> But really you have to be a parent or a sibling to instill THAT
> kind of damaged self-image.
Plus I think you need some help---the truly sexy target needs to
have defects in some other areas.
> YOU could not do that to a hot
> cheerleader unless her dad or mom or a couple of brothers and sisters
> had beat you to it.
Probably not.
> Fat people who have very supportive and loving
> parents will still know they look gross because of the "prevailing
> wind" of society.
Part of growing up involves learning how much tougher the
audience gets when we leave home.
> >Most women are smart enough to figure out how much they are really
> >worth to men, even if they cannot bring themselves to consciously
> >admit the truth.
>
> True! Even the truly damaged are dimly aware of their SMV.
I'd say a lot more than dimly. If truly damaged yet sexy women
really believed they were not sexy, they would not be so quick to
get naked.
They like to get naked because they understand perfectly well
what a reliable power trip that is for them, in contrast to
other areas of their lives (such as relationships with parents)
that don't work as well.
> >> >Thus, the more compelling question is not "Why do fat women turn men
> >> >off?"
> >
> >Actually that is a highly compelling question.
> >
> >In many animal species, males show no selectivity whatsoever:
> >they automatically mate with any receptive female. It's remarkable
> >that most human males would actually reject significant
> >fractions of human females if those females offered them sex.
> >This is so peculiar that it demands an explanation.
> >
> >Choosiness among human males probably means that during our
> >evolutionary history, there was some severe reproductive cost
> >to indiscriminate mating by our male ancestors, and this cost
> >held up over many generations. Genes which coded for male
> >selectivity somehow gained a reproductive advantage and became
> >dominant among human males.
>
> Well, as far as I know most of human history that we know of shows
> that humans lived in small bands of about 100. In this situation it
> seems fairly clear that the man will have SOME obligation to raise the
> children he fathers.
Probably, but in most of those small bands, people looked similar
enough that paternity was probably difficult to prove.
The obligation to provide for his children had to produce some
sort of penalty for indiscriminate sex severe enough to outweigh
the potential reproductive payoff.
And I'm not just talking about learned behavior here, but
instinctive behavior. Men understand they cannot act on every
sexual impulse they feel. The average man today probably has sex
with fewer than 1% of the women he feels urges to have sex with.
So keeping the urges somewhat in check is no big problem. The
question is why men, on top of that, have evolved the actual
absence of sexual desire for such large percentages of women.
I don't see how the pressure to provide for offspring could
create the selective pressure necessary to make men choosy,
especially when men are already able to repress most of their
sexual desires. How could there need to be another layer of
genetic protection?
> However, I suspect that fat women would have
> looked irresistible to our "cave dwelling" ancestors.
Do fat women look irresistible to the men in relatively undisturbed
primitive cultures today?
> I don't know
> that we can look to hard coded genetics to figure out why men find
> fatties repulsive.
Why not? The fatter people get, the less distinctly male or
female they appear. Men are genetically programmed to feel urges
to have sex with things that look like fertile women. If morbidly
obese people were extremely rare in the ancestral environment,
how would men have learned to recognize obese women as sex targets?
> As we all know there have been times in modern
> history when the reubinesque women was the height of sexual
> attractiveness.
No, "we" do not "all know" this. We know some individual artists
chose to paint women who were fat, and the artists generally
painted for a few wealthy patrons, not for a mass audience.
We don't know whether the artists intended to sexually arouse
men who viewed the paintings.
Artists paint lots of things: landscapes, flowers, tables with food
on them, every sort of people, boats, animals, abstract patterns,
you name it. Even today there are hardly any artists who specifically
try to create erotic art.
Not until the rise of modern mass media do we have "art" (of a sort)
that we can reliably judge to reflect mass sexual preferences.
> Today, that same woman would be considered a huge
> sloppy mess.
How many people saw the painting when it was fresh? How many
men who saw the painting of the huge sloppy fat woman got boners?
> I dare say the evidence does point to a more societal
> based explanation of this current repulsion to the image of the fat
> woman.
What evidence? The only usable evidence is that the earliest
publications reaching a mass audience featured engravings of
women who look pretty good by modern standards (e.g., the
Gibson Girl).
> >Everybody knows there are *some* men who are capable of
> >functioning sexually even with extremely fat women. A few of those
> >men might choose fat women even if they could attract slender women,
> >although this is difficult to test because almost no men who have
> >sex with fat women are breaking slender women's hearts to do it.
>
> Heh, nice line.
When people say there are some men who will have sex with fat women,
it's interesting to ask how many slender women are dying a thousand
deaths over not getting those men.
I don't think I have ever heard of a case where a slender woman got
her heart broken by losing her man to a fat woman. And I have asked
this question on Usenet before, suggesting that such an anecdote
does not exist within a very large anecdotal memory space.
> >[Any slender women reading this, care to chime in? How many of you
> >have lost a husband or a boyfriend to a much fatter woman?
> >How many of you feel threatened when you see a much fatter
> >woman showing lascivious intent toward your man? Maybe you would
> >worry about breaking a rib by laughing too hard.]
> >
> >It seems most men who have a choice will chose slender women.
> >This means a slender woman has more choices in men than a fat
> >woman. The compelling question is, why do some women value
> >gluttony more than they value maximizing their choices in men?
>
> Women are not nearly as horny as men. Yes ladies, I know you THINK
> you are but trust me, you aren't.
If women were, they would do what the small percentage of
men do when they discover they can have sex with hundreds
of partners.
> I think for fat women they honestly
> do like food more than maximizing their choice in men.
We should keep in mind that's tricky to weigh. I could say I
want a billion dollars more than I want to waste time posting
to Usenet, and yet here I am wasting time on Usenet and not
getting closer to my first billion just now.
At least I don't incur too much lasting damage by posting to
Usenet---so far anyway. Obviously I can never run for public
office; my Usenet articles have disqualified me many times over.
Many people tend to go for instant gratification instead of
delayed gratification, even when the delayed version will
turn out to be better. Probably everybody does this in at
least some areas of life.
> Their attempts
> to alter society to fit their lifestyle choices is not troubling to
> me. In fact, I think everyone does that to one degree or another.
> Just look at NAMBLA for an extreme example. Everyone wants their
> particular lifestyle choices to be the norm, to be admired and
> respected. Fat women are no different in that regard.
Is NAMBLA troubling to you?
> >> >Who benefits from making most women, even thin women,
> >> >feel ugly and supposedly worthless, and who suffers for it?
> >
> >Good question. Who benefits from making dogs and cats more popular
> >as pets than squirrels and raccoons?
> >
> >I would guess most people who want a dog or a cat aren't
> >even thinking about the squirrels and raccoons. If the squirrels
> >and raccoons were sufficiently egomaniacal, they might interpret
> >another person's indifference toward them as being somehow all
> >*about* them.
> >
> >Most people expend no conscious effort whatsoever to convey their
> >indifference. A lot of people who snub us probably aren't even
> >aware of it.
>
> Men expend an extraordinary amount of time and effort trying to get
> their winkie wacked.
Certainly when they are young.
> In the often single minded rush to get the most
> sexy woman they can find in the shortest amount of time they are not
> thinking at all about the ones that fall by the wayside. The ones who
> fall by the wayside early on are not likely to be picked up by the
> losers who are coming back and combing the road for the ones they
> passed by initially.
>
> If I could suggest something to fat women it would be this. Perhaps
> the most favorable thing they could do as a group is make it more
> acceptable for fat women to show express sexual interest. Up to an
> including asking men out. I have noticed that woman in the USA have a
> very very strong inhibition against overt sexual advances and/or
> asking men out. Perhaps if fat women became a more proactive group
> they would develop a competitive advantage in that regard over thinner
> woman who are used to being chased by a dozen men at once.
If fat chicks hit on you, how would you respond?
-- the Danimal
The Danimal
> Do you know what? I would like to see you change your
> thinking.
Why? All Chris needs to change are the eating habits and physical
activity habits that got him in his current predicament.
> What you are saying about yourself is like a
> negative affirmation.
It's like the truth. Unlike you, Chris seems able to handle
the truth. I'd say that gives Chris a fighting chance of changing
his truth.
> "I am damaged goods. I am working to fix myself."
Not everybody is freaked out by the possibility of being imperfect.
Some people can actually admit they are.
If something is wrong with my house, I don't pretend the problem
is not there. I either live with the problem, or I fix it.
> If you believe yourself to be "damaged goods", "defective",
> you are at greater risk of (self) sabotaging any efforts to change.
No, only if Chris listens to your attempts to poison the constructive
efforts he is making and get caught up in nil=0 style navel gazing.
> You're going to have lots more success if you say something
> like, "I'm a fantastic, wonderful human being, worthy of love,
> and I'm going to get better every day."
Nonsense. A person who believes he can be obese and still deserve
love will be happy to remain obese.
Only a person who feels he can actually IMPROVE himself by losing
weight will bother to resist those gluttonous urges.
Eating tasty food makes a person feel pretty good. The only way
to combat that good feeling is to train one's brain to associate
some real horror with it. Namely, the horror that sustained
gluttony actually does cause.
> This self-talk practiced daily, over time, will reconstruct the
> hardwiring in your brain
So will falling prey to the cult of self-esteem, in which lunatics
believe it is more important to always believe they are perfect
than to admit they can get better by making some simple choices.
> Plus it will make the journey much more pleasant.
Suppose burning your hand did not hurt. Would you remove your
hand from the hot stove burner as quickly? Maybe you might leave
your hand sitting there and marvel at the smoke. By the time
you intellectually figured out what was going on, it would be
too late to save your hand.
Chris is taking the first brave step vital to any sort of
deliberate self-improvement: he admits he has a problem.
Of course Chris has an advantage when it comes to being objective
about reality: unlike a woman who can sit back and wait for men
to pursue her, he has to pursue women if he wants a relationship.
So Chris has gotten lots and lots of undeniable, inescapable,
non-rationalizable objective feedback from his environment.
-- the Danimal
The Danimal
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> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:21:40 -0400, "Chris Taylor Jr"
> <nos...@nerys.com> wrote:
>
> >It is genetics. we are hard coded to seek out a mate who will be
> >most likely to have heatlhy advancing off spring. this means HEALTHY
> >women and men for each other.
> >
> >Being fat is being BROKEN. Damaged, Defective (yes I am quite fat)
>
> That is poor self confidence speaking. You are no more broken than
> any other human being.
A man does not live in the same delusional world which is possible
for women to live in, because a man has to go out and actively
discover what many women think about him before he can have a
relationship with one of them.
A woman has the advantage that she never has to hear from most
of the men who do not find her attractive. She only has to hear
from the percentage who find her attractive enough to hit on.
Thus it is possible for a woman to delude herself based on a
highly unrepresentative sample of men.
A very fat man is certainly more "broken" than much of his
competition when it comes to impressing the attractive women.
Attractive women will make sure to help the fat man learn his
place if he seems to be in any way learning-disabled.
> The idiots must be creaming their jeans by
> now....(grrr!)
If your self-esteem is so high why do you feel a need to call
other people "idiots"?
> >we are tainted merchandise. I do not go out on dates. why. pretty
> >much the only one who would be likely to date me are fat women and I
> >have no interest in fat women.
>
> We are not tainted. Everybody is entitled to exercise their
> preferences in who they date.
No way. What if my preference is to date Halle Berry? It's not going
to happen.
> However put downs and ridicule is neither necessary
> nor warranted.
But evidently putting down people is fun, otherwise you wouldn't
refer to other people repeatedly as "idiots" in every article.
Lady Veteran, you think a little ridicule on Usenet is
scary---you should try hitting on an attractive woman
sometime and observe her facial expressions toward you
as she rejects you.
Even if she struggles to be polite and hide her disgust,
you will see the truth flashing right across her pretty face.
The effect is far more devastating than you can begin to
imagine in your little make-believe world where you never
actually go out and sample the actual opinions of the world's
toughest audience.
The especially unnerving thing is to see how well-practiced
the pretty young woman is at handing out rejections. She can
tell a man is going to ask her out before he actually does,
because she has been hit on so many times. (I suppose you cannot
imagine this.)
It's like trying to play chess against someone who already knows
your next move.
> You make a lot of assumptions about
> things that only make you miserable.
Chris is not assuming anything about the opinions of the
vast majority of pretty women. He can easily see how they
react differently to him than they react to hot guys.
It's like when you cook various foods for someone. A person
will react quite differently to foods he likes than he reacts
to foods he finds disgusting. Even if he tries to hide his disgust,
he usually can't.
> >and skinny woman as a whole are not likely to be interested in a fat
> >man.
>
> So find the one who is....big deal?
If you think hitting on women is easy, try it.
Even men who are not overweight often find hitting on attractive
women to be nerve-wracking. Attractive women like to hang out
in groups where they project a palpable level of studied
indifference toward most men. I can barely imagine how horrible
it would be to hit on attractive women if I were obese.
How often do you see slender women with extremely fat men?
And of those men, how many were fat when they first got those
women?
> >so why force someone to have to say No ?
>
> You don't have any control over their attitude but you can control
> yours.
No, you can't. If you could control your attitude, you wouldn't
spend so many hours trying to combat free expression.
Lady Veteran, why don't you control your own hypersensitivity
to putdowns instead of constantly trying to tell other people to
stop putting you down? Your actions suggest you cannot control
your own attitude but you think you have a chance of controlling
the attitudes of others.
The facts are quite simple: other people exercise considerable
influence over how we feel. It's silly to deny this.
Even animals can yank our chains. Notice how you feel better when
a friendly dog comes up to you and acts happy to see you? Scientists
have found petting a dog or a cat lowers a person's blood pressure,
elevates their mood, and lowers stress.
The same thing happens when people are nice to us. When they are
not nice to us, it raises our stress.
A morbidly obese man is going to evoke subtle expressions of
disgust in other people, ESPECIALLY in the pretty young women
he would most like to impress. Unlike a woman who never hits on
any men, he will have solicited the opinions of enough women
to connect the dots.
> If you do as you have always done-you will get what you have
> always gotten.
Most slender women are immediately turned off by grotesquely fat
men long before those women learn anything about the fat men's
personalities.
What Chris has "always done" is eat too much. That's how he got
into his current predicament. If Chris can find a way to permanently
lower his daily food intake, his body will gradually lose weight
until it stabilizes on the weight his reduced food intake can
sustain.
It's like the way a car gradually slows down when you let off the
gas pedal a bit, and settles on some new lower speed.
> So get busy!
>
> >In fact I think it would be unfair to put a women in that position
> >to begin with.
Often when a woman wants a man to hit on her, she broadcasts some
fairly obvious signals, such as smiling at him and making eye
contact.
There's not much need to pressure women. Just look around the room
at various women and see which ones smile back. The women who look
they are trying to ignore you probably are.
> You must want to be celibate.
If Chris wanted to be celibate, he would keep eating.
> If that is true then say so...
Why do losers act so threatened when someone on their level
tries to better himself?
Are y'all afraid of getting shown up?
> >I am damaged goods. I am working to fix myself.
>
> You have a lot to learn kiddo....pleasing idiots is not the way to
> go.
Plenty of women who find obese men unattractive are not idiots.
Out of all the women I have dated, I can't think of any
who would have dated me if I were seriously obese. If I had been
obese, that would have eliminated all those women from my
realm of possibility. Given that my success rate with women is
already low to begin with, I probably would have given up
altogether if had yet another defect to work around.
There are some women who might have married me and remained
married to me even if I started getting fat, but that is different.
Chris is not already married to a woman so he has to overcome
that initial sales resistance.
-- the Danimal
RedGuru
>
> Do you know what? I would like to see you change your
> thinking. What you are saying about yourself is like a
> negative affirmation. "I am damaged goods. I am working
> to fix myself."
>
> If you believe yourself to be "damaged goods", "defective",
> you are at greater risk of (self) sabotaging any efforts to change.
>
Negative reinforcement works well. I was a smoker for 20 years. I quit
cold turkey one day, just because a radio talk show host said I was an
idiot. He was right, any smoker is an idiot. To smoke in the face of
the health risks is sheer lunacy. I haven't had a cigarette in 3 years
and am better for it. If some of those who are fat for the sake of thier
own gluttony realize what a burden they are to society and their
families, maybe they would step back from that last scoop of haagen daas.
Maybe they would enjoy watching their grandchildren graduate college,
without having to be brought to the ceremony by a backhoe. There is
nothing acceptable about being fat. No one should be allowed to have a
handicapped sticker because they enjoy a friggin snickers bar. The only
use for a fat person is as soylent green.
So in the words of the immortal Lyle:
Eat less, you fat fuck.
Exercise more, you fat fuck.
- RedGuru
NR
On 29 Sep 2003, aj...@ix.netcom.com (A J Davenport) wrote:
>Martin Thompson <b...@tucana.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<r3Ue+bAjz+d$Ew...@tucana.demon.co.uk>...
>> 14:22:07 Fri, 26 Sep 2003misc.fitness.weights
>> Big Red Helmut at Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> writes:
>> >>>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically,
to
>> >>>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
>> >>>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
>>
>> Aren't (all) fat people necessarily unhealthy?
>
>No, not even close.
>
>AJ
>Because, somebody has to be the Diva!
Hey AJ. I'm in NR's skin and god, it sucks being here.
Should I take a flying leap off a building before my soul returns home
from this wretched body?
NR
"Outside of this group, I don't remember hearing anyone in RL say
that fat people are worthless."
- Jade, admitting the truth
Message-ID: <CXSra.33577$A41.5...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
"Jade, your whole existence is spent trying to find people you can
justify vetting your rage toward thorugh all forms of harassment. Do
you realize that?"
- Sunny, on Jade's life in a nutshell
Message-ID: <ohm5hv4sjm7leknk7...@4ax.com>
"Hey Rauni. How's Vivian? DEAD?"
- Mike Cranston, gloating over the violent death of a woman's daughter
Message-ID: <vtkijv0l47la81t9s...@4ax.com>
"What's the difference between that and her taking a crack at my dead
mother?"
- Mike the statutory rapist Cranston, justifying why he's gloating
over the violent death of a woman's daughter,
Message-ID: <m8uijvkl7lrfoei3n...@4ax.com>
"As I said I hope your child is molested."
- pedophile Jim Dutton, advocating child molestation for a black
woman's preteen daughter
Message-ID: <8meire$tbv$1...@news.enteract.com>
"Does your daughter swallow?"
- pedophile Jim Dutton, making sexual passes at preteen girls
Message-ID: <8nrj7g$1894$1...@news.enteract.com>
"NIce try coward. What are you flying your daughter in for one
of those 500 man fucks?"
- pedophile Jim Dutton and his fantasies about preteen girls
Message-ID: <935b0v$kfk$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>
"Liar. You stated I wouldn't have the balls to talk about your
duaghter getting molested to your face. I said I would. Then you
play the victim. Just like chaney. Just like odious. YOu're freaks
with no integrity. I say i would tell your daughter what a sick
depraved pig you are and I'll tell her how you laughed when chaney
talked about her, strange men on the internet and vaseline."
- pedophile Jim Dutton offering to speak of his fantasies about child
molestation to the mother of that child, face to face
Message-ID: <935b0v$kfk$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>
"Another option would be to run. Presumably you can outrun the
wife and kids, and you can replace them."
- How Dan "Sex Bots" Mocsny would deal with a thug threatening his
family,
Message-ID: <cac1ad88.02111...@posting.google.com>
==============
Anyone who wishes to ask Mike about his violent threats, his racist
remarks, or his gloats about the violent deaths of young women, can
contact him here:
Cranston, Michael James
Address: 6529 21st Ave NW
City, ST Zip: Seattle, WA 98117-5745
Business Phone: (206) 783-2012
E-Mail: m...@oz.net
WSBA Attorney Registration Number: 16122
==============
==============
Anyone who wishes to ask Jim Dutton about his child molestation
remarks, can contact him here:
Jim Dutton
11S032 West St.
Naperville, IL 60565
==============
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MJL
>Lady Veteran <arm...@jeepweb.com> wrote in message news:<i86fnvot4h8vipnnn...@4ax.com>...
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>> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:21:40 -0400, "Chris Taylor Jr"
>> <nos...@nerys.com> wrote:
>>
>> >It is genetics. we are hard coded to seek out a mate who will be
>> >most likely to have heatlhy advancing off spring. this means HEALTHY
>> >women and men for each other.
>> >
>> >Being fat is being BROKEN. Damaged, Defective (yes I am quite fat)
>>
>> That is poor self confidence speaking. You are no more broken than
>> any other human being.
>
>A man does not live in the same delusional world which is possible
>for women to live in, because a man has to go out and actively
>discover what many women think about him before he can have a
>relationship with one of them.
>
>A woman has the advantage that she never has to hear from most
>of the men who do not find her attractive. She only has to hear
>from the percentage who find her attractive enough to hit on.
>Thus it is possible for a woman to delude herself based on a
>highly unrepresentative sample of men.
>
Quite insightful! It is exactly this phenomenon that has most women
thinking they are expert at oral sex and awesome lovers.
>A very fat man is certainly more "broken" than much of his
>competition when it comes to impressing the attractive women.
>Attractive women will make sure to help the fat man learn his
>place if he seems to be in any way learning-disabled.
>
LOL, too true! In modern society, however, a very fat man can also
get very wealthy and thus attract women that way.
Lardy Veteran
(NR) did not write:
>
<SNIP STEBI'S MONKEYSHIT!>
This forgery was brought to you by Stephen A. Chaney ( gunh...@pacbell.net
), a
noted net kook from the early 90's whose behavior has yet to
change in such a way that would render the usual label
applied to him -- "ragingly insane" -- inaccurate.
Mr. Chaney is mentioned twice in part 4 of the net legends
faq:
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/legends/legends4.html
Mr. Chaney also has his own faq, a copy of which can be
found at:
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/steve_FAQ.html
Recently, Mr. Chaney bragged about hiring a private
investigator to track down an ex girlfriend (from nine years
earlier) whom he claimed defamed him nine years ago. His
rationale for tracking her down was to be able to sue her in
case she ever defamed him again. Of course, this girlfriend
hadn't uttered a peep in Mr. Chaney's direction in the
preceding nine years. To see Mr. Chaney's explanation of
these events, see:
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant.html
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant2.html
Mr. Chaney's net-kook credentials were recently acknowledged
in alt.usnet.kooks, wherein Mr. Chaney was voted kook of the
month for July 2003.
Message ID: <bgrguq$p90$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>
Some of Mr. Chaney's other notable achievements include
initiating child molestation remarks in the newsgroup
soc.singles, running a self-acceptance/fat-acceptance
website (http://www.self-acceptance.to) while insulting the
size and weight of posters with whom he has disagreed,
posting over 10,000 forgeries of other posters to usenet,
and having a movie of his life story made and published on
the internet.
That movie can be viewed here:
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/pat.html
If you have any questions about this ragingly insane
netkook, post them to soc.singles, and someone will
certainly be glad to answer them for you.
LV
------------------------------------
"I sucked a crank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and boars stank..."
-Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Lesbians
-------------------------------------------------
The common excuse of those who take away my donuts
is that they desire their good but I know they just
want that creamy center. Which reminds me I have to
go suck on a boar.
- Luc de Clapiers de Vauvenargues 1715 - 1747
----------------------------------------------------
Women show their character in nothing more clearly
than by what they think drinkable. Boar semen being
a perfect example.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe 1749 - 1834
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and
won't approve of drinking creamy boar semen.
- Sir Winston Spencer Churchill
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Poor is the person who must live by begging priests for money.
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Remember that salad was built by amatuers and the
super size value meal by professionals - Unknown
========================================================
Janet Reno is in mourning. Her God, Rosie O'Donnell, quit her show and
has adopted a mannish haircut but still won't return her calls.
This means I have a chance to rut with that smelly fatty. I bet she stinks
like boar Praise Bog!
-----------------------------------------------------
NR is responsible for posting my likeness into lesbian websites.
I can't wait to suck some twat.
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Marty the owner of this group has made me horny then
turned down my offers to join in bristly boar orgies.
He will be brought up on charges any minute now. He
is being warned. At any moment he will be charged.
I am warning him. Right now. At this time. Because he
will be warned. This is a warning. A final warning.
I warn him. That was the last warning. Marty I warn you.
That is the only warning he will get. Marty you better
watch out. I am giving you this only final last warning.
I mean it this time. Better watch out. For the rest
of your life you will be looking over your shoulder
wondering if I am warning you for the last time...and
I shall be busy drowning my sorrows in boar semen.
-----------------------------------------------------
Robin King lives her fantasies involving sex with big fat stinky boars.
She can't have my sticky goodness of boar semen. It is all mine.
----------------------------------------------------
I will not even attempt to explain my love of lesbianism
and boar semen. My friends know that lesbian boar sex is
a beautiful thing and my enemies will never believe that
the love between a fat lesbian and a hot rutting boar is
the highest expression of feminism. I do not give a damn
about my enemies.
They can rot in Hell.
--------------------------------------------------
The real Lady Veteran just loves anonymous
remailers. If you read something that looks
like it is from Lady Veteran and the originator
isn't an anonymous remailer-it is a FORGERY by
certain diseases called heterosexuals.
The REAL Lady Veteran has nothing to hide about
her lesbianism and love of creamy boar sex, twat hams,
thick alien probes and monster boar cock dildos and is
not ashamed to stand up and be counted for her beliefs
as a lesbian, anal probe craving, boar loving and smelly woman.
Lardy Veteran
Chris Taylor Jr
Your telling me that being overweight IE outside the design specs for your
structure is NOT in anyway unhealthy ?
it does not increase wear on your structure and make your system work harder
(all of which is unhealthy when done unnecesarily)
If I hit you with a flame thrower what am I doing to you.
I am burning. get more specific ?
I am oxidizing you.
but does not our enviroment do that anyway. YES it does.
we are being burned alive every second we exists. but its a different
VERSION we are being OXIDIZED>
Oxidie = combine with oxygen
burn = combine with oxygen.
the difference ? one is slow and and the other is VERY fast. :-)
one is normal and therfore not "unhealthy" the other (same thing again) is
decidedly unhealthy.
so being overweight and stressing your structure and system beyond normal
stresses IS unhealthy by definition.
I do not pussy foot around things. I call them as I see them.
being fat is unhealthy by its very definition.
therfore I am damaged or BEING damaged. therfore it is my duty to remedy
this. how Get rid of the damned weight.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
"A J Davenport" <aj...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:5debf201.03092...@posting.google.com...
Chris Taylor Jr
they may be unhealthy for non fat related reasons.
it just means they are not fat. nothing else. you read to much into it.
it does not mirror. 2/4 is not the same as 4/2
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
"A J Davenport" <aj...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:5debf201.0309...@posting.google.com...
Chris Taylor Jr
as much as I hate saying it looks are important to me.
people say it is what is inside that counts. wahts inside is irrelevant
until you can SEE inside and that requires first contact and first contact
is usually based on looks :-)
Personally I would not want to date an obese women. it is not attractive to
me. I do not like it. in that case I will never get to know her "inside"
I am a very weird person but I am still a human being and based on
experience and the experiences of millions of others this is normal meaning
the women I am interested in (not obese) are not likely to be interested in
me (obese)
simple as that. at least till I fix the problem.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
> Out of all the women I have dated, I can't think of any
Chris Taylor Jr
you smoking DOES effect my health.
they are apples and oranges.
also again call me self centered if you will but I could care less what my
mass impact is on society mentally (IE seeing and being around me)
I only care what it means to me. and to me it means unhealthy.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
>
MJL
>> Their attempts
>> to alter society to fit their lifestyle choices is not troubling to
>> me. In fact, I think everyone does that to one degree or another.
>> Just look at NAMBLA for an extreme example. Everyone wants their
>> particular lifestyle choices to be the norm, to be admired and
>> respected. Fat women are no different in that regard.
>
>Is NAMBLA troubling to you?
>
Yes, and is an extreme example because their sought after changes
would be detrimental to minors.
>> Men expend an extraordinary amount of time and effort trying to get
>> their winkie wacked.
>
>Certainly when they are young.
>
At all ages--based on my observation.
>> If I could suggest something to fat women it would be this. Perhaps
>> the most favorable thing they could do as a group is make it more
>> acceptable for fat women to show express sexual interest. Up to an
>> including asking men out. I have noticed that woman in the USA have a
>> very very strong inhibition against overt sexual advances and/or
>> asking men out. Perhaps if fat women became a more proactive group
>> they would develop a competitive advantage in that regard over thinner
>> woman who are used to being chased by a dozen men at once.
>
>If fat chicks hit on you, how would you respond?
>
Tell her I'm gay. However, being more proavtive can only improve
their chances. I suppose if I were single enough and she was not
grossly obese she might have a chance.
|3iff //ullins
LKWAS in einer Reihe geht, einige mit Kühen und einige mit Enten on
>both threes before replying <remove> wrote in
><up6gnv0g8gt4tk3c3...@4ax.com>:
>
>>Blick auf wie gut Martin Thompson <b...@tucana.demon.co.uk> goh, a
>>hundert LKWAS in einer Reihe geht, einige mit Kühen und einige mit
>>Enten on Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:27:15 +0100:
>>
>>>14:22:07 Fri, 26 Sep 2003misc.fitness.weights
>>>Big Red Helmut at Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> writes:
>>>>>>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
>>>>>>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
>>>>>>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
>>>
>>>Aren't (all) fat people necessarily unhealthy?
>>>
>>hi marty.
>>
>Why are all these FAT ACCEPTORS hanging about in my snuh froup?
>Big people scare me!!!!
>:(
is marty fat?...
|3iff //ullins
in einer Reihe geht, einige mit Kühen und einige mit Enten on 29 Sep
2003 10:20:22 -0700:
>gunh...@vegetus.pacbell.net (Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®) wrote in >
>> Fat women are sexually worthless to most men.
>>
>> -- Steve
>
>Kind of like fat men.
>
spoken like a fat chick...
--
ain't no need in bein' greedy
if you wanna see me dial m'beeper number when you need me
and i'll be there in a jiffy
don't be picky just be happy with this quickie
Martin Thompson
|3iff //ullins at |3iff //ullins <biff.m...@3premeditatedfun.com>
writes:
>Blick auf wie gut Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> goh, a
>hundert LKWAS in einer Reihe geht, einige mit Kühen und einige mit
>Enten on Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:43:13 GMT:
>
>>both threes before replying <remove> wrote in
>><up6gnv0g8gt4tk3c3...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>Blick auf wie gut Martin Thompson <b...@tucana.demon.co.uk> goh, a
>>>hundert LKWAS in einer Reihe geht, einige mit Kühen und einige mit
>>>Enten on Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:27:15 +0100:
>>>
>>>>14:22:07 Fri, 26 Sep 2003misc.fitness.weights
>>>>Big Red Helmut at Big Red Helmut <sp...@themonkey.edu> writes:
>>>>>>>Unfortunately, it's expedient, both socially and economically, to
>>>>>>>persuade everyone, men and women alike, that fat women are, as a
>>>>>>>class, automatically ugly, inferior, unhealthy, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Aren't (all) fat people necessarily unhealthy?
>>>>
>>>hi marty.
>>>
>>Why are all these FAT ACCEPTORS hanging about in my snuh froup?
>>Big people scare me!!!!
>>>(
>is marty fat?...
>
(2.2lb) per month. 4kg to go to reach my target.
My question about fat people being necessarily unhealthy hasn't been
answered by the original poser of the comment that prompted that
question. For the record, my answer is that fat women are not
automatically ugly or inferior, but they are automatically unhealthy
compared with people of optimum weight and body fat percentage. I nearly
always find them unattractive too, but accept that that need not be the
case every time.
Just nearly every time.
As for 'inferior,' I don't like that term. I know some people can't see
'different' except in terms of 'superior' and 'inferior'. For mating
purposes, I see fat women as undesirable. Call that inferior if you
like, but the term 'inferior' has overtones of unworthiness that I don't
like. If those feelings motivate some people to lose weight, though,
maybe that is a good thing. If they don't, then those people might as
well lose the unworthy feelings and get on with their lives, as the fat
acceptors say. Self acceptance can help some people, no doubt. It may
even help some to lose weight. For others, dealing with the symptoms
directly can help instead.
For me, making myself more attractive was not enough motivation for me
to lose weight, much to my surprise over the years. It was sufficient
for me to be able to stop myself from gaining too much weight (I could
stop myself from going more than 28lb over my ideal weight) but I never
seemed to be able to bring it down. It was only when the poor health
consequences began to start popping up one by one that my motivation
(=fear) increased enough for me to be able to push that little bit
harder and get the weight off. It puzzles me that the fear of remaining
single didn't do it on its own, even though that is of course a major
preoccupation of mine, as a single male, age 44. I guess staying alive
in the first place is just that much more important to me.
aMAZon
Martin Thompson wrote:
> As for 'inferior,' I don't like that term. I know some people can't see
> 'different' except in terms of 'superior' and 'inferior'. For mating
> purposes, I see fat women as undesirable. Call that inferior if you
> like, but the term 'inferior' has overtones of unworthiness that I don't
> like. If those feelings motivate some people to lose weight, though,
> maybe that is a good thing. If they don't, then those people might as
> well lose the unworthy feelings and get on with their lives, as the fat
> acceptors say. Self acceptance can help some people, no doubt. It may
> even help some to lose weight. For others, dealing with the symptoms
> directly can help instead.
I've heard it said that if shame worked to reduce weight, there wouldn't
be a fat person in the world.
--
aMAZon
zeszutko at nycap.rr.com
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."
Big Red Helmut
I lieks teh BIG TITZ!
>Just nearly every time.
>
How are you on skin-fold cheese?
>As for 'inferior,' I don't like that term. I know some people can't see
>'different' except in terms of 'superior' and 'inferior'. For mating
>purposes, I see fat women as undesirable. Call that inferior if you
>like, but the term 'inferior' has overtones of unworthiness that I don't
>like. If those feelings motivate some people to lose weight, though,
>maybe that is a good thing. If they don't, then those people might as
>well lose the unworthy feelings and get on with their lives, as the fat
>acceptors say. Self acceptance can help some people, no doubt. It may
>even help some to lose weight. For others, dealing with the symptoms
>directly can help instead.
>
You should sell yourself as a weight loss aid: just put them to sleep
with your droneing on & on so they never make it to the refrigerator :)
>For me, making myself more attractive was not enough motivation for me
>to lose weight, much to my surprise over the years. It was sufficient
>for me to be able to stop myself from gaining too much weight (I could
>stop myself from going more than 28lb over my ideal weight) but I never
>seemed to be able to bring it down. It was only when the poor health
>consequences began to start popping up one by one that my motivation
>(=fear) increased enough for me to be able to push that little bit
>harder and get the weight off. It puzzles me that the fear of remaining
>single didn't do it on its own, even though that is of course a major
>preoccupation of mine, as a single male, age 44. I guess staying alive
>in the first place is just that much more important to me.
I 'd guess yuor still sniggle because you BORE THEM INTO A DEEP AND
PROFOUND STUPOR.
FYI
HTH
HAND
Big Red Helmut
<10648954...@newshost02.voicenet.com>:
>Your kidding right ?
>
No he's dead serious. Do you often mistake the intent of others?
>Your telling me that being overweight IE outside the design specs for
your
>structure is NOT in anyway unhealthy ?
>
How about body builders. Wouldnt that fall "outside of the design specs"?
>it does not increase wear on your structure and make your system work
harder
>(all of which is unhealthy when done unnecesarily)
>
What about long distance runners? They make their systems work harder.
>If I hit you with a flame thrower what am I doing to you.
>
Being abuseive?
>I am burning. get more specific ?
>
Better jump in the lake then.
>I am oxidizing you.
>
Are you oxygen or a peroxide compound?
>but does not our enviroment do that anyway. YES it does.
>
Oh...I see...that old argument. Stop breathing then since "oxygen is
toxic to cellular tissue".
LOL!
>we are being burned alive every second we exists. but its a different
>VERSION we are being OXIDIZED>
>
>Oxidie = combine with oxygen
>
Stupify= read your psuedo-scientific drivel :)
>burn = combine with oxygen.
>
>the difference ? one is slow and and the other is VERY fast. :-)
>
>one is normal and therfore not "unhealthy" the other (same thing again)
is
>decidedly unhealthy.
>
Your point? Stay away from oxidants? Ok, dont breath vaporised hydrogen
peroxide.
>so being overweight and stressing your structure and system beyond
normal
>stresses IS unhealthy by definition.
>
You might have had an intelligent argument if you'd made *this* your main
point: stresses on the musculo-skeletal system due to excess load.
Sure, people who arn't overweight but do manual labor have more incidence
of interstitial tissue damage especialy the knees from carrying excessive
loads.
Duh.
>I do not pussy foot around things. I call them as I see them.
>
Thank you Captain Obvious.
>being fat is unhealthy by its very definition.
>
No, its just being fat.
>therfore I am damaged or BEING damaged. therfore it is my duty to remedy
>this. how Get rid of the damned weight.
>
Try cutting off your head :)
A J Davenport
> Incorrect. non fat people are not unhealthy for "fat" reasons.
>
> they may be unhealthy for non fat related reasons.
Just as fat people may be unhealthy for non fat related reasons.
> it just means they are not fat. nothing else. you read to much into it.
I was pointing out that the original poster read unhealthy into fat.
> it does not mirror. 2/4 is not the same as 4/2
That was exactly my point.
Fat does not equal unhealthy
Not fat does not equal healthy.
The Danimal
> ehh call me selfish but me being fat does not affect YOUR health.
Everybody is selfish, so nobody can claim to be otherwise, but
your being fat *might* affect someone else's health.
People who have sensory experiences they don't like tend to react
to them with emotions of stress. They experience "a negative hedonic
tone"---i.e., they don't feel as good.
In contrast, people who have sensory experiences they do like
tend to react with emotions of well-being, and their stress
levels decline.
Over time, an environment filled with emotional stressors increases
the probability that a person will develop some stress-related
disease. People also sometimes react to stress in self-destructive
ways, such as by turning to substance abuse, or Usenet addiction.
Consider how different a person might feel in the following two
situations:
1. Enjoying an all-expenses-paid vacation to his or her favorite
location, waited on hand and foot by a retinue of adoring servants
who are stunningly attractive and of the appropriate gender, free
from any sort of want or care, and with everything going smoothly.
2. Sitting in a traffic jam for hours on a hot day, in an automobile
with a broken air conditioner, making it necessary to open the windows
and listen to a cacophany from the surrounding cars, each of which
carries several surly gangbangers having no musical taste and 5000
Watts to prove it.
Or just imagine walking through a neighborhood full of dilapidated
buildings, with broken windows everywhere, paint peeling off,
gutters hanging off the eaves, trash piled in the streets, filthy
homeless bums and urchins huddling miserably around small trash
fires in rusty steel drums, and mangy-looking dogs scurrying around
looking for something to eat. Most people would feel emotional
distress just from seeing such a slum, let alone having to spend
any time there. Contrast that to walking through a neighborhood full
of spotlessly-maintained buildings and yards, with everything up
to showcase quality. Who wouldn't prefer to be in the "nice"
neighborhood?
Now if someone in the "nice" neighborhood started piling up trash
in his front yard and letting his house run down, the neighbors
would probably confront him at some point, lest his irresponsibility
begin to drive down property values and attract the undesirable
element.
> you smoking DOES effect my health.
Offending people can affect their health. But mostly it affects
their sense of emotional well-being (their "hedonic tone").
The aesthetic injury inflicted by one obese person is likely to be
just incremental, but millions of obese people working together can
stress some people enough to drive them to flaming obese people on
Usenet.
> they are apples and oranges.
Those are both fruits, so that's a good analogy. Smoking is both
aesthetically offensive and physically injurious to others, whereas
obesity is more of an aesthetic offense only (except to the
occasional health care worker who throws her back out trying to
move an obese patient).
But I would not dismiss the importance of aesthetics. Living in an
environment filled with eyesores tends to put people into a state
of malaise. Over time, that may affect their health. Even if their
health is fine, an ugly environment is unpleasant.
> also again call me self centered if you will but I could care less what my
> mass impact is on society mentally (IE seeing and being around me)
I wouldn't call that "self-centered" in the long run. That's
only self-centered on very short time scales.
If you offend people habitually, they tend to retaliate in ways
that make your life worse. Humans are social animals; all of us
depend on other humans in many ways. Our dependencies are so
great that our ability to get along well with others strongly
influences how well our lives go.
> I only care what it means to me. and to me it means unhealthy.
This claim contradicts your earlier claim that all the women
you find attractive happen to be slender, and you never see
any slender women who prefer obese men. (And note: women do
not necessarily prefer the "healthiest" men; if they did,
rock stars would not get laid. Indeed, a man can add about
five years to his life by getting castrated as a boy, so it's
pretty clear women care about some things more than your health.)
If you have a normal male sexual appetite, then you care deeply
what your obesity means to physically attractive women, because
those women have an enormous influence over your emotional state.
One might say they practically OWN a man's emotional state.
Even if being rejected by all the women you find physically
attractive has no measurable impact on your health, it will
certainly have a devastating impact on your "hedonic tone,"
i.e., your sense of well-being. You would need world class
"state control" to be able to block out the negative feelings
that normally accompany total rejection.
Getting rejected by all the women you find physically attractive
feels bad. So bad it has earned the label of "meta-death."
If you don't care about that, what do you care about?
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/
>
>
> > Negative reinforcement works well.
Often it does. That is why humans evolved the instinct to apply it.
Usually when a parent scolds a child, or a child's peers ridicule him,
the child adjusts his behavior in ways likely to win the approval of
the relevant audience.
Occasionally, however, a person gives up in the face of negative
reinforcement and behaves in ways that draw more of it.
> > I was a smoker for 20 years. I quit
> > cold turkey one day, just because a radio talk show host said I was an
> > idiot. He was right, any smoker is an idiot.
If I report this to the next smoker I see, will that smoker quit
smoking?
> > To smoke in the face of
> > the health risks is sheer lunacy. I haven't had a cigarette in 3 years
> > and am better for it. If some of those who are fat for the sake of thier
> > own gluttony realize what a burden they are to society and their
> > families, maybe they would step back from that last scoop of haagen daas.
> > Maybe they would enjoy watching their grandchildren graduate college,
> > without having to be brought to the ceremony by a backhoe. There is
> > nothing acceptable about being fat. No one should be allowed to have a
> > handicapped sticker because they enjoy a friggin snickers bar. The only
> > use for a fat person is as soylent green.
How about as a flotation device?
> > So in the words of the immortal Lyle:
> >
> > Eat less, you fat fuck.
> > Exercise more, you fat fuck.
> >
> > - RedGuru
-- the Danimal
The Danimal
> Agreed
>
> as much as I hate saying it looks are important to me.
I don't hate saying looks are important to me. I hate saying
looks are equally important to my competition. And my competition
is pretty good.
> people say it is what is inside that counts.
If that were true, Hollywood would be losing money with its
current formula.
There's an enormous amount of research proving most people are
bullshitting when they claim looks are unimportant to them.
What's inside doesn't count as much as our ability to lie about
what counts.
> wahts inside is irrelevant
> until you can SEE inside and that requires first contact and first contact
> is usually based on looks :-)
If looks did not matter, everybody would be bisexual.
However, I am a heterosexual man, so I won't be sexually attracted
to another man regardless of how great his personality is.
I usually find men easier to get along with, but I'd rather get
with women even though their personalities aren't as good, because
I find (some) women physically attractive and men just don't do
anything for me there.
> Personally I would not want to date an obese women. it is not attractive to
> me. I do not like it. in that case I will never get to know her "inside"
You probably get to know lots of people as people without ever feeling
any sexual attraction for them.
The personalities of people you feel no sexual attraction toward
probably cover the same range of personalities you might find in
people you do feel sexual attraction toward. Obviously, you aren't
feeling sexually attracted because of someone's personality. Instead,
sexual attraction hinges almost entirely on physical factors, with
personality contributing very little. All you need is a physically
attractive person with a personality you can tolerate.
Granted, a physically attractive woman can amplify her attractiveness
through her behavior, but if she has no physical attractiveness to
amplify, such behavior will not be attractive.
Imagine Camryn Mannheim performing a lapdance. The effect will not
be the same as if Halle Berry performs the same moves.
> I am a very weird person but I am still a human being and based on
> experience and the experiences of millions of others this is normal meaning
> the women I am interested in (not obese) are not likely to be interested in
> me (obese)
>
> simple as that. at least till I fix the problem.
The key is to train yourself to perceive hunger differently.
Instead of viewing hunger as a "problem" requiring an immediate
"solution" (e.g., more doughnuts), see it as an indicator of progress
toward your goal. Think of hunger as the rope that can pull you out
of the abyss. Associate hunger with getting better.
Welcome a larger measure of hunger into your daily life than you
have probably experienced while you were accumulating your present
mass. If you can stay a little bit hungry all the time, you can win.
You might notice that sometimes your cravings for food will peak
later in the day, but if you can go to sleep without fully satisfying
your hunger, when you wake up in the morning you won't feel quite as
hungry as you felt the night before. If that happens, then you can
convince yourself the hunger you feel in the late evening is
not "real." So when that hunger hits, you can resist it by looking
forward to the morning when you won't feel it as strongly.
If you haven't already, keep a diary of how much you ate and how
strong your urges to eat were throughout each day. You need to be
consciously aware of when your body wants to feed, so you can know
to be on guard for those times. Writing it all down forces you to
consciously confront what you are doing. Eating without awareness
is very bad---you cannot trust your body to tell you how much food
it really needs.
Lots of people are terrified of ever feeling hungry, but a little
hunger is not really so bad.
-- the Danimal
Chris Taylor Jr
specifications.
if they do something that DOES exceed design specs then YES it is unhealthy.
no trap here. if its outside specs its unhealthy. period.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
"Big Red Helmut" <sp...@themonkey.edu> wrote in message
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Chris Taylor Jr
fat.
your kidding right ?
that is like saying if you have cancer you can possible not be unhealthy for
cancer reasons.
if you have CANCER then you have CANCER and all that goes with it.
if you are FAT then you are FAT and all that goes with it.
you distorted my math comparison. you are still trying to mirror it but now
the wrong way you have it wrong.
fat equals unhealthy (for fat reasons) period.
not fat does ot equal healthy but it DOES equal NOT unhealthy for fat
reasons.
If you are fat YOU WILL have the health ramifications of being fat.
not being fat ONLY means you will not have the heath ramifications of being
fat sourced from being fat.
Our bodies are not games of chance. they are mahines. if an engine is not
lubricated their is no such thing as an engine that can go unlubricated
without damage when it was not designed to do so. period.
their is no mabye possibly could be might be if I pray hard enough.
if you are fat as I am you are unhealthy for far reasons. to fix it you must
get "not fat" this will not protect you from other unhealthy things but it
will protect you from FAT caused unhealthy things.
simple as that. we are organic machines.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
"A J Davenport" <aj...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Chris Taylor Jr
I am a believer in my mind being under MY control. I tell it what I WANT not
the other way around.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
"The Danimal" <dmo...@mfm.com> wrote in message
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Daedalus
AJ is part of the fat acceptance movement. She has been brainwashed by
the NAAFA assertion that the medical world is prejudiced against fat.
She believes fat is normal and healthy.
You can bury her in a mountain of medical evidence and she will not
believe it. You can explain to her basic laws of science and she will
refute them. You can make a cocise analogy to apply all of these
things to the real world and she will distort it (as she is doing to
you already).
Trust me. She has no good advice to impart and arguing with her is a
waste of your time.
Jade
Claire
> Blick auf wie gut clair...@yahoo.com (Claire) goh, a hundert LKWAS
> in einer Reihe geht, einige mit Kühen und einige mit Enten on 29 Sep
> 2003 10:20:22 -0700:
>
> >gunh...@vegetus.pacbell.net (Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®) wrote in >
> >> Fat women are sexually worthless to most men.
> >>
> >> -- Steve
> >
> >Kind of like fat men.
> >
> spoken like a fat chick...
Spoken like a chick who is 5'7" & 128 lbs & runs in 10K races asshole!
But nice try chubster.
The post wasn't about FAT anyway - it was just another attack on WOMEN
by an impotant man.
Let's face it, fat IS unattractive. It usually means that someone is
too lazy to work out, too inactive to stay in shape, and has low
self-esteem.
Claire
rick++
As recently as the 1960s (until Twiggy) the hot actresses were
"plesantly plump" in the bust and hips: Monroe, Grable, West, etc.
NR
On 30 Sep 2003 11:57:51 -0700, clair...@yahoo.com (Claire) wrote:
>> >> -- Steve
>> >
>> >Kind of like fat men.
>> >
>> spoken like a fat chick...
>
>Spoken like a chick who is 5'7" & 128 lbs & runs in 10K races asshole!
>But nice try chubster.
>The post wasn't about FAT anyway - it was just another attack on WOMEN
>by an impotant man.
The real Steve Chaney didn't write that post.. it was a forgery.
NR
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Amir
Depends on who you talk to. Not all men are turned off by overweight women.
Daedalus
Can you distinguish between "pleasantly plump" and erupting out of
one's clothing?
The women you mentioned would never have been considered "fat" or
"obese" by anyone's standards then or now.
By the same token - Obese women never were considered attractive in
western culture except for the small minority whom we call fat
fetishists.
Fat was always fat.
Jade
Dr Chaos
>
> Depends on who you talk to. Not all men are turned off by overweight women.
funny there isn't a single millionaire pro athlete in this category.
A J Davenport
> but they are also without question unhealthy for fat reasons if they are
> fat.
Fat in and of itself is neither healthy or unhealthy.
> your kidding right ?
No I'm quite serious.
> that is like saying if you have cancer you can possible not be unhealthy for
> cancer reasons.
What is like saying that?
>
> if you have CANCER then you have CANCER and all that goes with it.
You mean like body size change, possible mortality etc?
> if you are FAT then you are FAT and all that goes with it.
What exactly do you mean by this?
> you distorted my math comparison. you are still trying to mirror it but now
> the wrong way you have it wrong.
Your circular logic doesn't disprove anything I have said.
> fat equals unhealthy (for fat reasons) period.
False assumption.
> not fat does ot equal healthy but it DOES equal NOT unhealthy for fat
> reasons.
Just as fat does not eqaul unhealty. There arefat healthy people not
fat healthy people and there are not fat unhealthy people. Being not
fat does not automaticly confer health just as fat does not
automatically confer bad health.
> If you are fat YOU WILL have the health ramifications of being fat.
Such as?
> not being fat ONLY means you will not have the heath ramifications of being
> fat sourced from being fat.
Tell that to the normal sized diabetics.
> Our bodies are not games of chance. they are mahines. if an engine is not
> lubricated their is no such thing as an engine that can go unlubricated
> without damage when it was not designed to do so. period.
And fat is to this arguement how?
> their is no mabye possibly could be might be if I pray hard enough.
> if you are fat as I am you are unhealthy for far reasons. to fix it you must
> get "not fat" this will not protect you from other unhealthy things but it
> will protect you from FAT caused unhealthy things.
There is no data that supports that formerly fat people are any more
healthy than fat people or even not fat people for that matter. There
is data that supports that staying a higher than normal weight is far
healtier than gaining and losing weight repeatedly.
> simple as that. we are organic machines.
Yes we are all machines, and some machines work more efficiently than
others.
The real simple truth is, NOBODY, fat or not gets out alive.
AJ
Because, somebody has to be the Diva.
A J Davenport
Yes I am, proudly so.
>She has been brainwashed by the NAAFA assertion that the medical
world is >prejudiced against fat.
Like you haven't been brainwashed by the popular media to belive that
fat is bad?
> She believes fat is normal and healthy.
Where have I ever said fat is healthy. Jade you do yourself a
disservice when you deliberately mistate the beliefs of others.
> You can bury her in a mountain of medical evidence and she will not
> believe it. You can explain to her basic laws of science and she will
> refute them. You can make a cocise analogy to apply all of these
> things to the real world and she will distort it (as she is doing to
> you already).
So my personal experience that it is possible to be fat and and
healthy is a distortion?
> Trust me. She has no good advice to impart
IYO. We've had this discussion, you are not going to change your mind
because you have too much invested in your views.
I am not going to change my mind because I know it is possible to be
both healthy and fat.
>and arguing with her is a
> waste of your time.
But then it is his time to waste.
Dr Chaos
> "Chris Taylor Jr" <nos...@nerys.com> wrote in message news:<10649448...@newshost02.voicenet.com>...
>> but they are also without question unhealthy for fat reasons if they are
>> fat.
>
> Fat in and of itself is neither healthy or unhealthy.
>
>> your kidding right ?
>
> No I'm quite serious.
>
>> that is like saying if you have cancer you can possible not be unhealthy for
>> cancer reasons.
>
> What is like saying that?
"Fat in and of itself is neither healthy or unhealthy."
is like saying
"cancer in and of itself is neither healthy or unhealthy"
e.g. "cancer cells don't kill you, it's the (tumor induced)
squashing on the breathing nerves which kills you."
>> if you have CANCER then you have CANCER and all that goes with it.
>
> You mean like body size change, possible mortality etc?
>
>> if you are FAT then you are FAT and all that goes with it.
>
> What exactly do you mean by this?
many biochemical and physical changes, few of which are good.
> Just as fat does not eqaul unhealty. There arefat healthy people not
> fat healthy people and there are not fat unhealthy people. Being not
> fat does not automaticly confer health just as fat does not
> automatically confer bad health.
many tumors are asymptomatic for a long time.
NR
On 30 Sep 2003, aj...@ix.netcom.com (davenpork) as per usual, told a big fat
lie in the name of fat acceptance:
>
>There is no data that supports that formerly fat people are any more
>healthy than fat people or even not fat people for that matter.
WRONG! Note the date of this study.
Ann Intern Med. 2003 Mar 4;138(5):383-9.
Intentional weight loss and death in overweight and obese U.S. adults 35
years of age and older.
Gregg EW, Gerzoff RB, Thompson TJ, Williamson DF.
Division of Diabetes Translation, National Center for Chronic Disease
Prevention and Health Promotion, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, 4770 Buford Highway NE, Mailstop K-10, Atlanta, Georgia 30341,
USA. ed...@cdc.gov
BACKGROUND: Although weight loss improves risk factors for cardiovascular
and metabolic disease, it is unclear whether intentional weight loss
reduces mortality rates. OBJECTIVE: To examine the relationships among
intention to lose weight, weight loss, and all-cause mortality. DESIGN:
Prospective cohort study using a probability sample of the U.S. population.
SETTING: Interviewer-administered survey. PARTICIPANTS: 6391 overweight and
obese persons (body mass index > or = 25 kg/m2) who were at least 35 years
of age. MEASUREMENTS: Intention to lose weight and weight change during the
past year were assessed by self-report in 1989. Vital status was followed
for 9 years. Hazard rate ratios (HRRs) were adjusted for age, sex,
ethnicity, education, smoking, health status, health care utilization, and
initial body mass index. RESULTS: Compared with persons not trying to lose
weight and reporting no weight change, those reporting intentional weight
loss had a 24% lower mortality rate (HRR, 0.76 [95% CI, 0.60 to 0.97]) and
those with unintentional weight loss had a 31% higher mortality rate (HRR,
1.31 [CI, 1.01 to 1.70]). However, mortality rates were lower in persons
who reported trying to lose weight than those in not trying to lose weight,
independent of actual weight change. Compared with persons not trying to
lose weight and reporting no weight change, persons trying to lose weight
had the following HRRs: no weight change, 0.80 (CI, 0.65 to 0.99); gained
weight, 0.94 (CI, 0.65 to 1.37); and lost weight, 0.76 (CI, 0.60 to 0.97).
CONCLUSIONS: Attempted weight loss is associated with lower all-cause
mortality, independent of weight change. Self-reported intentional weight
loss is associated with lower mortality rates, and weight loss is
associated with higher mortality rates only if it is unintentional.
**********
When will the suicide cult cease in their lies?
NR
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant.html
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant2.html
If I catch you busting into a mass and vilifying a church, the last thing
you'll hear in your entire life, will be the ratatatatat of an automatic.
- --Steve Chaney to Mark Ira Kaufman
Message-ID: <1992May19.2...@csus.edu>
Young Mr. Chaney, the man who has told me that he wants to murder me and
sodomize women in my family, has said, repeatedly, that advocates for
choice had vandalized churches.
- --Mark Ira Kaufman
Message-ID: <1992Jun6.1...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
she probably has to have her picture taken by satellite because no normal
camera can fit all that whale blubber into one picture.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: <1992Oct28.0...@csus.edu>
Excessively fat women look ugly. It is impractical to try and have sex when
she's 100lbs overweight and the weight is all fat - but most women ain't
that big.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: <3814f6ca$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>
You of course do know what a lot of Asian women prefer, right? Besides,
after fucking a cute asian chick, experience tells me it isn't all that
except that she looks good on your arm. In bed it ain't much at all. If the
lights go out, any guy whose hormones are more fixed on performance than
looks, is going to go to sleep right there and then.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: <3a569378...@207.217.77.23>
Clarice and Allisson were well beyond a BMI of 25 in their pictures where
they were called cows.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: <3e005dd...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>
If Dutton knocked on Steve's door and Steve shot him in the face, I would
really not care.
- --Crash Street Kidd about Steve Chaney
Message-ID: <bjqq7...@drn.newsguy.com>
Stephen A Chaney is NR's whipping boy.
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Bill Ryland
>
> Spoken like a chick who is 5'7" & 128 lbs & runs in 10K races asshole!
> But nice try chubster.
> The post wasn't about FAT anyway - it was just another attack on WOMEN
> by an impotant man.
>
> Let's face it, fat IS unattractive. It usually means that someone is
> too lazy to work out, too inactive to stay in shape, and has low
> self-esteem.
>
> Claire
"lazy," "inactive," and "self-esteem" are issues of mental health.
They're just a little sick, in a way that you are not. Just like YOU
are sick in ways that THEY are not. Each human is designed to be
faulty. And some of us have the fault of being judgemental ... THAT
is an issue of "self-esteem."
~ bILL
|3iff //ullins
hunnert truxx inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on Tue, 30 Sep 2003
14:14:48 +0100:
>the original poser
>
love it. can i use it?...
--
certainly. you can get aids from a mosquito
(if you have unprotected anal sex with one!)
|3iff //ullins
truxx inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:10:22
GMT:
i leik em tart n' tiny.
>>Just nearly every time.
>>
>How are you on skin-fold cheese?
>
i like those little buttnuggets people taht use charmin get.
yes.
--
"I was top posting when he was still on his mother's teat."
-Gerald
|3iff //ullins
truxx inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:22:57
-0400:
>being fat is being inferior.
>
as is top-psoting!!!1
--
fruit flies when you're having fun.
|3iff //ullins
sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on 30 Sep 2003 12:50:02 -0700:
just the ones who can get skinny chicks, eh?...
|3iff //ullins
truxx inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on Tue, 30 Sep 2003 04:07:47
GMT:
><SNIP STEBI'S MONKEYSHIT!>
>
dearest lady veternarian, can u answer my cat question yet?
..
the naked music collection:
http://www.astralwerks.com/naked/
a site worth hearing.
|3iff //ullins
inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on 30 Sep 2003 11:57:51 -0700:
>by an impotant man.
>
okay, i'll ask...
is that supposed to be "important" or "impotent"? for such a "fit"
slit, your spelling sure is lousy.
--
The post you have just read is real, but it could have been avoided.
Inbreeding is every-one's problem. Contact your local Mormon church to
be sure you aren't marrying a close relative.
|3iff //ullins
napalm...@steve-chaney-felches-young-boys708601.org (NR) goh, a
hunnert truxx inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on 30 Sep 2003
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>On 30 Sep 2003 11:57:51 -0700, clair...@yahoo.com (Claire) wrote:
>
>>> >> -- Steve
>>> >
>>> >Kind of like fat men.
>>> >
>>> spoken like a fat chick...
>>
>>Spoken like a chick who is 5'7" & 128 lbs & runs in 10K races asshole!
>>But nice try chubster.
>>The post wasn't about FAT anyway - it was just another attack on WOMEN
>>by an impotant man.
>
>The real Steve Chaney didn't write that post.. it was a forgery.
>
huh?.. what was a forgery again?...
Chris Taylor Jr
definition. being fat is by definition unhealthy so it is not possible to be
both fat and healthy.
My nature is that I like to argue but I will stop if the majority would
prefer that I did not. its not my forum after all I am a newbie.
as for your asking if you thinking you can be healthy and fat is a
distortion.
YES I wish I could type 100point text YES
since it by DEFINITION means you are UNHEALTHY then yes it can only be a
distortion.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
> >She has been brainwashed by the NAAFA assertion that the medical
> world is >prejudiced against fat.
>
> Like you haven't been brainwashed by the popular media to belive that
> fat is bad?
>
> > She believes fat is normal and healthy.
>
> Where have I ever said fat is healthy. Jade you do yourself a
> disservice when you deliberately mistate the beliefs of others.
>
>