3 material things related to kink
Tobie
I'm desribing my participation in a subculture, so I picked kink,
duh...
It wants me to tell about three unique *material* things related to
just this subculture.
I've got these two things so far:
Implements created and used solely for the use of impact play in
sadomasochism.
( http://www.wian-studios.com/ )
Human beings wearing collars signifying consensual ownership.
( http://www.brazenleather.co.uk/ )
And then got stuck...
I can't think of a third thing JUST for kinksters to use.
Help?
Tobie
SilverOz
I'm thinking bondage kit, created for kinky play. Furlined non-locking
cuffs say. They aren't like hospital restraints and they aren't something
your average noncon torturer would use.
SilverOz
user119
<OffTopOfHead>
I wonder, since the goth subculture wears/uses collars, would you
consider them unique to kink?
The other thing I can think of would be furniture, restraints
etc. Not sure if that would be considered for impact play.
</TopOfHeadBackOn> ;)
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Tobie
>I'm thinking bondage kit, created for kinky play. Furlined non-locking
>cuffs say. They aren't like hospital restraints and they aren't something
>your average noncon torturer would use.
Thanks, I'm snooping for that now, on the way though I found this,
which some folks might like to know about,
http://www.medicaltoys.com/dungeonbox.htm
I should have added 'rope' to my bondage kit google.
Tobie
Alcore
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Tobie wrote:
> Another Soc. assignment:
> I'm desribing my participation in a subculture, so I picked kink,
> duh...
>
> It wants me to tell about three unique *material* things related to
> just this subculture.
[snip]
For starters, I think your category "Impact Play Implements" is rather
broad... I can think of several sub-categories for this just off the top
of my head that each alone would be useful to your purpose:
Retasked household items used as sensation play toys.
Historical implements of torture and their evolved descendants (Whips,
crops, floggers, etc.)
etc...
The use of collars item alludes to several other possible categories, like
hankie codes (flagging), iconography (the Triskelion, the BDSM pride flag,
etc), and leather clothing.
One problem with your request, of course, is that BDSM (kink) is a *very*
broad path and there are no univeral elements.
> And then got stuck...
> I can't think of a third thing JUST for kinksters to use.
>
> Help?
How about "play" furniture? The most iconic of these is probably the St.
Andrews Cross. Excellent other examples include the spanking horse, and
various sorts of padded pillories/stocks.
Gene P.
fnordikins
>> It wants me to tell about three unique *material* things related to
>> just this subculture.
ME!
Heikki
> Another Soc. assignment:
> I'm desribing my participation in a subculture, so I picked kink,
> duh...
>
> Implements created and used solely for the use of impact play in
> sadomasochism.
> ( http://www.wian-studios.com/ )
>
> Human beings wearing collars signifying consensual ownership.
> ( http://www.brazenleather.co.uk/ )
>
> And then got stuck...
> I can't think of a third thing JUST for kinksters to use.
Comfortable leather restraints?
-H
Stephen Harris
> It wants me to tell about three unique *material* things related to
> just this subculture.
Clothes that lock on? eg heeled boots that padlock closed.
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OK
>
> Human beings wearing collars signifying consensual ownership.
> ( http://www.brazenleather.co.uk/ )
>
>
>
None of this are discreet enough to wear in church and not get noticed.
Masterwoof
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Latex wrestling singlets.
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How could we all miss the obvious. More monkeys must be coming to a scene near
you ...
Brian Downstairs
fetish or not. Then there is that awful thing, much maligned but why,
Pornography.
Brian
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Troia
Not sure if marks on the body qualify as "material", but who else goes
about pleased to be bruised or welted?
-- Troia
Troia
...
> Retasked household items used as sensation play toys.
Now I am *sure* that I prefer the term "pervertible".
"Retasked" sounds too business-like.
-- Troia
OK
How are you?
I was thinking this morning about fetish and I realize I don't really
understand it. I am thinking about kink and patterns of arousal and
excitement. I know you are talking about fetish clothing, but I am
thinking about mental and psychological fetishes. Have you given these
any thought?
Stephanie Moore-Fuller
> Tobie wrote:
>> Another Soc. assignment:
>> I'm desribing my participation in a subculture, so I picked kink,
>> duh...
>>
>> It wants me to tell about three unique *material* things related to
>> just this subculture.
>>
>> I've got these two things so far:
>> Implements created and used solely for the use of impact play in
>> sadomasochism.
>> ( http://www.wian-studios.com/ )
>>
>> Human beings wearing collars signifying consensual ownership.
>> ( http://www.brazenleather.co.uk/ )
>>
>> And then got stuck...
>> I can't think of a third thing JUST for kinksters to use.
>
> about pleased to be bruised or welted?
Martial artists!
stephanie
--
Stephanie Moore-Fuller smoo...@blackrose.org Mountain View, CA, USA
"Fat is what allows a man and a woman to be very, very close, and not
hurt each other."
-- Garrison Keilor
David Weinshenker
various values of "we") define "kink" or "fetish", and what is the distinction
between that and simply "what do we find attractive/arousing/etc.?" - it's
been said that anything is kinky if you look at it right (the Beatles' first
hit was totally kinky: negotiating a hand-holding scene!), and as for "fetish",
if we define it as some particular aspect of the sexual experience on which
one's interest has come to be specifically focused (which is how I have often
seen te term used), then it could be said that a lot of "normal straight" people
are "fetishistic" in their desires. (Your "typical Red-Blooded-American het
boy [tm]" sure seems to have a bit of a hooter fetish, for example!)
I think my patterns of arousal and desire are organized on slightly different
lines... my turn-ons are things like affection, intimacy, and negotiation: it's
the connection that counts for me, more than the specific way of making it.
-dave w
Darkhawk (H. Nicoll)
> and as for "fetish",
> if we define it as some particular aspect of the sexual experience on
> which one's interest has come to be specifically focused (which is how I
> have often seen te term used), then it could be said that a lot of "normal
> straight" people are "fetishistic" in their desires. (Your "typical
> Red-Blooded-American het boy [tm]" sure seems to have a bit of a hooter
> fetish, for example!)
A while back I was reading a discussion in which a guy wanted to know
why his girlfriend wasn't interested in the lingerie stuff that he got
off on her wearing. He was very, "But don't women *like* sexy lingerie?
I thought women *liked* this stuff!"
I managed to communicate with him taking the line of logic, "You're
asking about a kink. Just because a kink is considered mainstream or
normal doesn't make it not a kink. And in a lot of cases, other
people's kinks are _awfully_ boring."
- Darkhawk, then had some conversations about 'but if it's
culturally expected, is it a kink?'
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They are three together, they are for each other
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V
> I'm not Brian, but I think the question is interesting: how do we (for
> various values of "we") define "kink" or "fetish", and what is the distinction
> between that and simply "what do we find attractive/arousing/etc.?" - it's
> been said that anything is kinky if you look at it right (the Beatles' first
> hit was totally kinky: negotiating a hand-holding scene!), and as for "fetish",
> if we define it as some particular aspect of the sexual experience on which
> one's interest has come to be specifically focused (which is how I have often
> seen te term used), then it could be said that a lot of "normal straight" people
> are "fetishistic" in their desires. (Your "typical Red-Blooded-American het
> boy [tm]" sure seems to have a bit of a hooter fetish, for example!)
>
> I think my patterns of arousal and desire are organized on slightly different
> lines... my turn-ons are things like affection, intimacy, and negotiation: it's
> the connection that counts for me, more than the specific way of making it.
>
> -dave w
>
>
posting on the Internet.
I have learned I am an alpha sub. I am not a switch.
I will say my turn ons are things like power, strength, and talent. I
have never had a dom to be emotionally intimate with so that is new
territory for me. What does tm mean?
My arousal and desire is very specific to the object of my desire, which
are few and far between, and I mean the desire of my heart and not of my
flesh. And the more I grow up, the more specified my desire gets. As I
have grown up I have learned the sole desire of my flesh, meaning
without the desire of my heart to go with it, has no value whatsoever.
That is why I remain single and have not dated and do not want to play,
munch or scene publicly.
V
>>>
>>>
alcibiades
> > Not sure if marks on the body qualify as "material", but who else goes
> > about pleased to be bruised or welted?
>
> Martial artists!
I think Troia's idea is wonderful; the body is surely material, and the
assignment doesn't seem to specify that it has to be non-integrated
with the body. What could be a better material artifact of a physical
(largely, anyway) subculture like BDSM than the marked-up body itself?
I also think Stephanie's "objection" (not that I'm implying any kind of
conflict here, mind you) is an interesting one. I used to fence sabre,
and for quite a while had a sort of permanent set of bruises on the arm
from whipover, as well as assorted bruises elsewhere, sabre being a
fierce kind of fencing (that kicks the crap out of all you nancy-boy
foil and epee fencers... ahem). I was perpetually delighted with these
bruises, and could never figure out whether that delight was
fencing-specific or because I'm kinked that way generally (which I am,
I looooove marks that stick).
It's a funny kind of gray area, isn't it, and I think it's maybe a good
parallel for all the discussions of (submission for kink) vs.
(submission in other areas). It's also interesting to think about
whether you can really find anything in kink that doesn't have some
kind of analogue somewhere else - I mean, you have to get your ideas
from somewhere, and part of the fun and power of WIITWD is transporting
those mundane things into another realm of significance (and delicious
painful provocation).
Thanks for a thought-provoking question, Tobie!
alcibiades
Ruth Lawrence
"Darkhawk (H. Nicoll)" <dark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> David Weinshenker <daz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> and as for "fetish",
>> if we define it as some particular aspect of the sexual experience on
>> which one's interest has come to be specifically focused (which is how I
>> have often seen te term used), then it could be said that a lot of
>> "normal
>> straight" people are "fetishistic" in their desires. (Your "typical
>> Red-Blooded-American het boy [tm]" sure seems to have a bit of a hooter
>> fetish, for example!)
>
> A while back I was reading a discussion in which a guy wanted to know
> why his girlfriend wasn't interested in the lingerie stuff that he got
> off on her wearing. He was very, "But don't women *like* sexy lingerie?
> I thought women *liked* this stuff!"
Uh-oh...
> I managed to communicate with him taking the line of logic, "You're
> asking about a kink. Just because a kink is considered mainstream or
> normal doesn't make it not a kink. And in a lot of cases, other
> people's kinks are _awfully_ boring."
:::nods:::
Generalisations and assumptions, oh my!
Ruth, who has become cranky about same applied to her (for a moment or two)
Tobie
Overcoming Fish-in-Water Syndrome
QUESTION 1: What is the cultural group you belong to and will be
describing?
BDSM
QUESTION 2: What are 3 unique material elements of this culture?
Implements created and used solely for the use of impact play in
sadomasochism.
( http://www.wian-studios.com/ )
Human beings wearing collars signifying consensual ownership.
( http://www.brazenleather.co.uk/ )
Rope bondage kits for a little kinky love play
( http://www.love-shop.biz/bdsm/bdsm-kit/beginner-silk.html )
QUESTION 3: Beside language, what are 3 unique nonmaterial elements
of this culture?
Websites dedicated to education about BDSM
(http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/generalbdsm.htm )
Play parties dedicated to BDSM
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_party_(BDSM )
Munches
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munch_%28BDSM%29 )
Local Munches:
( http://www.vancouvermunch.com/ )
( http://www.portlandleather.org/site/?page_id=11 )
QUESTION 4: What language, unique terminology or slang, and gestures
must members of this culture learn?
The kinky subculture has many words that it uses that are outside the
mainstream 'norms'.
http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/raventerms.htm shows many if
not most of them and the definitions are pretty good. Most of the
words are common words with added meaning.
QUESTION 5: Is this a subculture, counterculture, or part of the
dominant U.S. culture? CAUTION: Please look up the definition of these
terms in your text before you respond.
It's a subculture.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subculture )
QUESTION 6: Overall, how do others in society treat members of your
cultural group?
Kinky folks are usually well treated by society as long as they never
get past casual or the word 'kink', I think that's because most people
consider themselves a little kinky. Take it just a little further
though and it can get scary. Most kinky people are deeply closeted,
being kinky can be used as a weapon to have your children taken away,
lose your job, and be ostracized by friends and family. It's as
isolating in many ways as being gay was 20 years ago.
The leather community in the North West is compiled of straights,
gays, lesbians, bi folks and poly families. We've got doctors,
lawyers, plumbers, schoolteachers, housewives and Christians.
We are a * very * diversified group.
I'm a member of Blackout Leather Productions
http://www.blackoutleather.org/disclaimer.htm
We host productions to raise money for different charities.
I'm proud to be an active member of the local kink community and I
have deeply enjoyed making friends here and sharing great times and
mutual efforts for bettering the community and the larger social
community at large by helping with charity events.
Tobie
Tobie
<use...@hot-N-COLDmail.com> wrote:
><OffTopOfHead>
>I wonder, since the goth subculture wears/uses collars, would you
>consider them unique to kink?
Only the locking ones I think.
Tobie
Tobie
Pope) wrote:
>Written invitation to play party.
That is unique to kink, thanks!
Tobie
Tobie
>For starters, I think your category "Impact Play Implements" is rather
>broad... I can think of several sub-categories for this just off the top
>of my head that each alone would be useful to your purpose:
I din't want to give the vanilla teacher more information than she
wanted, so I kept it all pretty broad.
>
>The use of collars item alludes to several other possible categories, like
>hankie codes (flagging), iconography (the Triskelion, the BDSM pride flag,
>etc), and leather clothing.
We're generally the ones who wear locked on collars that we don't have
the keys to though.
>
>One problem with your request, of course, is that BDSM (kink) is a *very*
>broad path and there are no univeral elements.
I think there are.
A spanking bench is going to be a spanking bench whether aM/s couple
is using or a top and bottom.
A locked collar in BDSM has always been used on owned people as far as
I know, unless they're being used on others now too?
>How about "play" furniture? The most iconic of these is probably the St.
>Andrews Cross. Excellent other examples include the spanking horse, and
>various sorts of padded pillories/stocks.
Excellent, thank you.
Tobie
Tobie
wrote:
>ME!
But then I'd have to explain *here* to her, and I'm not sure she
was/is ready for that!
Tobie
Tobie
<troia....@gmail.removethis.com> wrote:
>Not sure if marks on the body qualify as "material", but who else goes
>about pleased to be bruised or welted?
Football players, hockey players, wrestlers, rodeo riders and stunt
doubles.
LOTS of folks brag about their earned 'patches'
Tobie
Tobie
wrote:
>Thanks for a thought-provoking question, Tobie!
You're quite welcome!
Tobie
David Weinshenker
Well, she _asked_ for you to describe your "participation in
a subculture", didn't she? You'd at least expect her to take
it like a sociologist when that's what she gets!
-dave w
Markem
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maintaining and loading weapons, upon proof that a rock can fly.
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