REAL "Stripper Gold" (got easy strip-club lays with this one)
Ray Gordon
the lays while you can!
Okay, I'm going to reveal my Ace in the hole, my trump card, my technique
for laying strippers you meet in their clubs. This technique is SO simple
that even an idiot (read: half of my critics) could use it to get laid. I
have to give some props to Mystery here because he inspired it with his
"neg" theory.
I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this tactic before,
and it's a very, VERY simple one. To pull it off, of course, you have to
have a POSITIVE ATTITUDE about it, the kind where you smile while you're
telling someone to fuck off.
As usual, I discovered the method by accident, on a day when I was in a mood
where I didn't feel like taking anyone's shit. I hauled ass over to a strip
club in a neighboring town (don't hit the clubs in your home city if you can
avoid it, for the same reasons the dancers don't work in their hoods).
I did not want to publish this for the longest time because once this cat is
out of the bag, the method will stop working, but what the fuck, I don't use
it anymore.
The basic approach of tipping "$1 a clip" and drinking is still in force.
This approach is based on a hardcore "neg" that isn't easy to pull off, and
which of course can backfire (but who gives a shit if it works a lot?).
Fortunately, when it does backfire you'll save money and can just try it on
another club.
As usual, this night I walked into the club, there were about 15 dancers in
the rotation, maybe six of them were fuckable, and of those, maybe two of
them were truly hot. Also as usual, the super-hotties were busy giving
dances and fleecing the suckers out of their money, while the desperate,
ugly strippers were making rounds (no shock there).
I'm thinking to myself "what a fucking crock" and that this was a bait and
switch. As this UG Stripper (maybe a 7, but a UG for a stripper) approaches
me, I think of the PERFECT neg for her, based on my being fed up with
wasting my money on the ugly dancers, and tell myself that when she
approaches, I would say in a very polite tone, the following:
"Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip one more time,
I'm going to walk straight out of here and I doubt the other dancers would
appreciate losing the money. Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
Now the staff won't help her because they want their cut of my money, and I
always make sure to tip the bartender well, while tipping the other dancers,
so in essence they are being singled out. I figured if I didn't tip the UG
I could save the dollar for a visit by a hottie.
Then I had a flash of inspiration and remembered two things Mystery
preaches:
1. Neg the HOTTIE
2. Ignore the TARGET.
When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the customary
dollar while praising her looks. She walked away beaming.
Then the hottie showed up after the next song.
I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for my coat and
said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather stay." She backed off
and left me alone.
At first.
She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I don't want a
tip." (props to myself for this because now she's a returning fox).
I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex." I make HEAVY eye contact and
have a facial expression that says "I'll rock your world if you let me and
don't give me any shit along the way."
I was right: she wanted sex. Who was I to deny a damsel in distress?
Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it. Go ahead,
folks, field test this. You'll see how powerful it is when you do it right.
I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but it's too edgy
for general consumption, and will get you thrown out of the club about 20
percent of the time (and laid the other 80 percent). Perhaps in a few
years...
--
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mWarrior
> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. Get
> the lays while you can!
>
What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get
addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way
to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of
alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
Ray Gordon
>> Get the lays while you can!
>>
>
> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get
> addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way
> to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of
> alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
Wrong.
Neg them, ignore them, and blockade them (if they persist then they cost
their fellow dancers money), and they can't get enough of you.
This is a field-tested tactic that has led to many "plucks" (when you stay
in touch with a stripper after work).
> Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
Why do you think I no longer use the method?
When I do go into strip clubs (extremely rare now), I just neg the crap out
of them (politely, of course).
KC Carter
I work with a guy who hooked up with a stripper just a few weeks ago.
No telling how many other guys she hooks up with, but fun for him, at
least.
KC
damaja
with cocaine or heroin or something similar. Have either one of those
and you're in. At least thats what my old friends used to tell me,
personally I've never been to a strip club before -- pay to play just
aint for me.
Ray Gordon
Do you pay your cover charges and other expenses at regular clubs with
monopoly money?
damaja
monopoly money?"
Yes.
--
The clit is not something to be toyed with!
Vince Runza
news:hakKd.185$B31.114@trndny04...
> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known.
Get
> the lays while you can!
WARNING: Anybody who takes GORK seriously will get laughed at as soon as
that's known. Run away as fast as you can.
Vince
--
8===Ğ
Ray Gordon
> Get
>> the lays while you can!
>
> WARNING: Anybody who takes GORK seriously will get laughed at as soon as
> that's known. Run away as fast as you can.
Any man who doesn't want a great method for laying strippers is free to take
Vince's alternative advice.
Go ahead, Vince, educate the public here on how to seduce strippers.
By the way, I did not knock off Mystery's work any more than Ross knocked
off Bandler's. I took some of his basic concepts and used them to lay
strippers, and gave him full props for the ideas, but I'm still the one who
evolved them to fit this specific situation.
Of course, knockoffs are a part of mail order. My family was in mail order
and expected the knockoffs to hit the market within six months of their
debut; that's par for the course. My e-book and general business model has
been "knocked off" by dozens of new gurus, and they'll be "knocked off" by
others in the future. Such is the nature of commerce in America; ideas
cannot be copyrighted, and everyone is going to put their individual spin on
them.
So, Vince, tell the people here how to lay strippers. My method is proven
successful and I endorse it 100 percent. The worst that'll happen is that a
guy wastes an hour and about $15-20 in a strip club. Compare that with the
$12.00 cocktails at the club Mystery was at that was referenced in the Elle
article, or the $20 cover charge most clubs charge, and it's not exactly
expensive.
Pnats Downe Unda Ware
speekin az a former dancerr, it iz a loade of crapp. it wuz a freakin
job justt like any udder. we were there to make a livin not to pick up
men. that shitt wuz juss ritten by someone with a velly actibe
fantasee imaginationn.
U go clockk in fer your shift, get dressed, do yer frickin job fer 8
hours, count yer tipz fer zee shift, get dressed, go home and libe and
pay yer billz juss like eveebodee else.
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Alex
wrote on 1/28/05 12:35 AM:
> <Gordon's work of masturbatory fantasy fiction snipped>
Take your meds.
Alex
wrote on 1/28/05 1:29 AM:
>>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known.
>>> Get the lays while you can!
>>>
>>
>> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get
>> addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way
>> to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of
>> alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Neg them, ignore them, and blockade them (if they persist then they cost
> their fellow dancers money), and they can't get enough of you.
>
> This is a field-tested tactic that has led to many "plucks" (when you stay
> in touch with a stripper after work).
Of course it has.
All because Gordon says so.
This is a time-tested way to get yourself thrown out of a strip-club for
abusive behavior towards the girls.
>
>
>> Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
>
> Why do you think I no longer use the method?
>
> When I do go into strip clubs (extremely rare now), I just neg the crap out
> of them (politely, of course).
Gordon is never polite to anyone.
He should stop presenting his thought-experiments as facts and trying to get
others to field-test his bullshit because he's too nuts to step outside his
mommy's apartment.
Alex
wrote on 1/28/05 2:22 AM:
>> Actually around here at least, the only way to a strippers heart is
>> with cocaine or heroin or something similar. Have either one of those
>> and you're in. At least thats what my old friends used to tell me,
>> personally I've never been to a strip club before -- pay to play just
>> aint for me.
>
> Do you pay your cover charges and other expenses at regular clubs with
> monopoly money?
>
Gordon does.
Since he's a failure at getting enough of the real stuff to afford anything
else.
Alex
on 1/28/05 6:54 AM:
> My method is proven
> successful and I endorse it 100 percent.
And Gordon's credibility so is so high that he doesn't need to provide any
proof or testimonials. It can be proven true by Gordon's simply saying so.
What a fucking lunatic.
Mike Given
>WARNING: This method will not work
At least that part is true.
[...]
>I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this
>tactic before,
Musta been some real bottom-shelf skank and/or serious psycho.
[..being fed up with wasting my money on the ugly dancers..]
>"Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip
>one more time, I'm going to walk straight out of here and I
>doubt the other dancers would appreciate losing the money.
>Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
Isn't that just special.
Can't help but wonder if you say that within earshot of a bouncer.
'Cuz if you do, and you're not a regular or a movie star, you'll be
politely asked to clip the attitude or leave.
>Now the staff won't help her
No, not "help" as such; I certainly wouldn't try to force you to
give up a WHOLE DOLLAR, but it's very likely you're also not staying.
>because they want their cut of my money,
Wrong.
A) In any even-halfway-decent "gentleman's club", the barstaff is
salaried and doesn't get tips from dancers. In fact, many places
prohibit it to prevent both favoritism and similar practices to the
one you're touting here.
B) Cheap motherfuckers like you take up space that a paying customer
could be using.
C) Any "cut" of the few measly dollars one customer doles-out in $1
tips definitely isn't worth the potential trouble.
>When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the
>customary dollar while praising her looks. She walked away
>beaming.
>Then the hottie showed up after the next song.
>I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for
>my coat and said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather
>stay." She backed off and left me alone.
>At first.
>She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I
>don't want a tip." (props to myself for this because now she's
>a returning fox).
And then your alarm clock went off and you woke up.
Dunno where you live, but even in ths shittier nudie bars out my
way, strippers (and especially the top-shelf girls) aren't coming back
to you; they have paying customers and regulars to take care of. You
*might* get a return visit on a slow night, but never is she not there
for the tip.
>I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex."
No denying that some strippers do indeed appreciate a sense of
humor.
>I make HEAVY eye contact and have a facial expression that says
>"I'll rock your world if you let me and don't give me any shit
>along the way."
I'd imagine most strippers are used to dealing with a little drool
from time-to-time as well.
>I was right: she wanted sex.
Just not from you is all.
>Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it.
Bait and switch, a "technique" as old-n-busted pressed vinyl music.
Once the girl you dissed gets backstage, you can bet that the weenie
nonsense you pulled at the bar will get around to the rest of the
dancers - then all of 'em will know you're trying to pull some
bullshit.
>Go ahead, folks, field test this.
Can't imagine it'd be worthwhile outside of some of the nastier
skank pits.
>I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but
>it's too edgy for general consumption, and will get you thrown
>out of the club about 20 percent of the time
I'd say something approaching 100%.
And if, by some unlucky (?) circumstance, you happen to be sitting
next to the stripper's boyfriend/husband, it might even get you
bitchslapped first.
Take it from someone who's worked in strip clubs and dated some few
strippers: This "technique" is far more of a dumbass blunder than
anything else. If you don't know how to talk to people (..and 'yes',
strippers are actually people, believe it or not..) no amount of
silly-ass headgames like that will work out.
Ya wanna know which guys the girls are usually attracted to?
The one's that (at least) look like they're actually having fun.
Even good-looking guys get passed by if they're being grouchy or
playing teenaged head-games like the bait'n'switch nonsense. Even
ugly-ass mugs such as yours truly can get girlies to sit down for
drinks after their shift is over, and even go out elsewhere afterwards
if the girl feels even mildly comfortable that ulterior motives are
not at the tippy-top of the agenda.
And guess what? The bonus is that having fun works even better when
you're at a club where girls aren't paid to get nekkid. Amazing!
This alleged "technique" thing will most likely mark you as a
desperate loser to both strippers and barstaff; if it has gotten you
laid as you claim it has (..and I, for one, find it highly unlikely)
then it's not so much the technique as plain-old dumb luck.
But like the old bromide says, even blind squirrels find an acorn
every now'n'then.
Mikey (..got any other snake-oil recipes you'd like debunked?)
K. A. Cannon
in alt.seduction.fast on Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:35:09 GMT:
>WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. Get
>the lays while you can!
<snip>
This *advice* is what people *pay* you for?
You've gotta be kidding.
You're an idiot.
--
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Skin...@hotmail.com
OK. I haven't seen anybody post anything abouty how strip clubs REALLY
work..... so maybe you all need a bit oif education.
STRIP CLUBS = FLEECE JOINTS.
That's it. Plain and simple.
One of my best friends was the head bartender at a strip club in
Myrtle Beach SC.... when I lived there in the Mid 80's. Granted,
that's in the Dark Ages to some of you out there.... and some of you
out there weren't even out of pampers yet.... but things don't change
in places like that. I used to go to this guy's and his girlfriends
house on Sundays for seafood roasts and cookouts! We partied together
away from the Club Environment. And, this went on for over a year. He
and actually talked about opening up a normal club in Myrtle Beach...
So when I say I know what I am talking about, I think I pretty well
know the skinny.
The ENTIRE objective of these places is to part you from your money.
Don't believe me?? Go to a place and don't tip..... see how long you
last. Some places will even ask you to leave if you aren't going to
"support the hard working girls"!!
Start off with.... The house takes the gate. That $10 cover you pay
goes STRAIGHT into the owner's pocket.
Next is the bar. Drinks are always inflated. Bartender usually makes
about 20% of the profit from the bar..... How he makes that profit
higher is HIS business. ALWAYS drink beer at a Strip Club! No watering
down! Oh, and the Bar usualy gets about 20% of the girl's tips.
Next comes the DJ. He gets 25%-35% of the girls take. Flat out. ANd
believe me..... He watches. Counts the table dances.... Counts the
Back Room visits..... If a girl is caught holding out... it doesn't go
well. At VERY least she is kicked out of the club.
The bouncer staff gets about 25% of the cash the bar and what the DJ
Makes.
Now, as for the "Ladies" that work these places.
About 40% of the strippers are Lesbians. About 60% of the Girls are
man haters for one reason or another. They get off on the thought of
screwing over a guy. They LOVE that they take his cash and he is so
stupid to think that he's actually gonna get lucky!!! It's a power
trip for a great many of the girls.
OK, Let's look at the remaining 40%.
About half of those are regular girls with some sort of personal
agenda. They want to get into acting or modeling.... or they are
saving for some sort of post stripping activity when the gravity makes
their "jiggly" parts less appealing.
What it boils down to is this guys..... Less than 3 in a hundred
strippers ever get turned on by what they do. That number drops
drastically the longer they stay in the business.
They are treated lich Shit. Many of them have "boyfriends" that act
more like Pimps taking all of their cash. They work VERY long hours
and the work is pretty tough. YOU go squeeze yourself into a tight
pair of high heels and prance around exeuding HIGH ENERGY for 12 hours
a day and see how chipper YOU are. See how fast YOU want to go hop
into bed and spread your legs!
I guarentee you... you start asking the girls for favors.... or the
bartender who is the easiest there... you will be handed a little
business card with a phone number to call for the Whore du joir!!
Don't believe me? Go ahead. Actually try. Don't take my word for it!
IF you get felt up in the back room...... It's just enough to keep you
on the hook for another $50 Private dance! You actually think she is
gonna get you off???? Come on man. THINK..... You get off, you leave.
No more cash!!! You run out of cash? YOu think she will have mercy on
you??? Not when some other guy is waiting at the door with more cash!
Now, I am not going to call anybody here any names. That is not my
intent. I don't flame so don't take ths as a flame response.
This is quite simply the truth about strippers and what goes on in
these places.
You stand less of a chance of getting "laid" in a strip club than you
do at a Church Social!!!
Strip Clubs are good for a little eye candy.... and that's it PERIOD!
Ray Gordon
>>tactic before,
>
> Musta been some real bottom-shelf skank and/or serious psycho.
As opposed to the virgins that the other gurus seduce same-day from
nightclubs?
> [..being fed up with wasting my money on the ugly dancers..]
>>"Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip
>>one more time, I'm going to walk straight out of here and I
>>doubt the other dancers would appreciate losing the money.
>>Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
>
> Isn't that just special.
> Can't help but wonder if you say that within earshot of a bouncer.
> 'Cuz if you do, and you're not a regular or a movie star, you'll be
> politely asked to clip the attitude or leave.
Wrong again: strip clubs don't kick out guys who have attitude, especially
when they buy top-shelf drinks and tip the barmaid well. They know many of
their customers go in there when they aren't at their best.
Asking me to leave would cost the other dancers money. You must have missed
that part.
>>Now the staff won't help her
>
> No, not "help" as such; I certainly wouldn't try to force you to
> give up a WHOLE DOLLAR, but it's very likely you're also not staying.
Wrong again. She also doesn't know if it's just $1.00 or a lot more she's
giving up on.
When did you work in strip clubs? If you did, and it was more than 10 years
ago, the environment has changed drastically; far fewer suckers than in
years past.
>>because they want their cut of my money,
>
> Wrong.
> A) In any even-halfway-decent "gentleman's club", the barstaff is
> salaried and doesn't get tips from dancers.
They get tips from customers. Duh.
>In fact, many places
> prohibit it to prevent both favoritism and similar practices to the
> one you're touting here.
Many is not "all"
> B) Cheap motherfuckers like you take up space that a paying customer
> could be using.
So men who don't pay up get harassed and called names? Clubs are pretty
empty places these days, btw.
Actually being "cheap" at a strip club is about the ONLY way to reliably
pluck a dancer. The guy uses money the way the stripper uses her body.
> C) Any "cut" of the few measly dollars one customer doles-out in $1
> tips definitely isn't worth the potential trouble.
You never know the size of the tip.
>>When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the
>>customary dollar while praising her looks. She walked away
>>beaming.
>>Then the hottie showed up after the next song.
>>I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for
>>my coat and said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather
>>stay." She backed off and left me alone.
>>At first.
>>She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I
>>don't want a tip." (props to myself for this because now she's
>>a returning fox).
>
> And then your alarm clock went off and you woke up.
You sound jealous.
> Dunno where you live, but even in ths shittier nudie bars out my
> way, strippers (and especially the top-shelf girls) aren't coming back
> to you; they have paying customers and regulars to take care of.
Next you'll tell me how women never date the jerk and always go for the nice
guy. <snicker>
>You
> *might* get a return visit on a slow night, but never is she not there
> for the tip.
Maybe not from YOU, but you might not be as interesting as ME. If all you
have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
>>I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex."
>
> No denying that some strippers do indeed appreciate a sense of
> humor.
Yep.
>>I make HEAVY eye contact and have a facial expression that says
>>"I'll rock your world if you let me and don't give me any shit
>>along the way."
>
> I'd imagine most strippers are used to dealing with a little drool
> from time-to-time as well.
It's not drooling in this frame.
>>I was right: she wanted sex.
>
> Just not from you is all.
Sounds like you wish that were the case. I'm not surprised.
>>Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it.
>
> Bait and switch, a "technique" as old-n-busted pressed vinyl music.
> Once the girl you dissed gets backstage, you can bet that the weenie
> nonsense you pulled at the bar will get around to the rest of the
> dancers - then all of 'em will know you're trying to pull some
> bullshit.
You only do it to the hottest dancer in the club. Every other dancer is
treated normally. You must have missed that part.
Doesn't matter now anyway as I published the method so it's "known."
>>Go ahead, folks, field test this.
>
> Can't imagine it'd be worthwhile outside of some of the nastier
> skank pits.
Hotties wind up in skank pits. I agree that the very high-level clubs are a
different breed of cat.
>>I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but
>>it's too edgy for general consumption, and will get you thrown
>>out of the club about 20 percent of the time
>
> I'd say something approaching 100%.
From "Alice":
MEL: "When I want a woman, I just go up to her and say 'Baby, your place or
mine?'
ALICE: "I bet you get your face slapped 90 percent of the time!"
MEL: "I do."
ALICE: "Then why do you do it?"
MEL: "The other 10 percent!"
> And if, by some unlucky (?) circumstance, you happen to be sitting
> next to the stripper's boyfriend/husband, it might even get you
> bitchslapped first.
That would get the club sued for a fortune, and their boyfriends and
husbands are generally not allowed to visit the club.
> Take it from someone who's worked in strip clubs and dated some few
> strippers:
Yet who doesn't know that clubs don't allow boyfriends and husbands to visit
while their women are working.
>This "technique" is far more of a dumbass blunder than
> anything else.
Or a brilliancy beyond your comprehension.
>If you don't know how to talk to people (..and 'yes',
> strippers are actually people, believe it or not..) no amount of
> silly-ass headgames like that will work out.
Like I said, it's been published so I wouldn't use it again myself.
> Ya wanna know which guys the girls are usually attracted to?
> The one's that (at least) look like they're actually having fun.
They're attracted to the MONEY those guys might have.
> Even good-looking guys get passed by if they're being grouchy or
> playing teenaged head-games like the bait'n'switch nonsense.
In theory, I'd agree with you; in practice, I got laid using that technique.
Another "head game" I've used effectively in a strip club is to give the
dancer a "talk or tip" option, telling her she has a choice of either taking
a tip from me or talking to me.
You'd be surprised at how effective that one is.
>Even
> ugly-ass mugs such as yours truly can get girlies to sit down for
> drinks after their shift is over, and even go out elsewhere afterwards
> if the girl feels even mildly comfortable that ulterior motives are
> not at the tippy-top of the agenda.
Clubs fire dancers who do that. I'm surprised that someone who worked there
wouldn't know that?
> And guess what? The bonus is that having fun works even better when
> you're at a club where girls aren't paid to get nekkid.
A club with a $20 cover charge for men and none for women?
>Amazing!
> This alleged "technique" thing will most likely mark you as a
> desperate loser to both strippers and barstaff; if it has gotten you
> laid as you claim it has (..and I, for one, find it highly unlikely)
> then it's not so much the technique as plain-old dumb luck.
I'd rather be lucky than good. Oh, by the way, there's no mention of sex in
any of this. Just me telling a dancer that if she asks me for a tip one
more time I'm leaving and that will cost the other dancers (and the club)
money.
The reason I used to give for this the few times I was asked and actually
said something, I said that I prefer to choose who gets my money. If they
don't want my money, that's fine.
> But like the old bromide says, even blind squirrels find an acorn
> every now'n'then.
I must have a sixth sense then.
> Mikey (..got any other snake-oil recipes you'd like debunked?)
I'm surprised that you worked in clubs and thought that boyfriends and
husbands were allow to watch their women.
Ray Gordon
>
> OK. I haven't seen anybody post anything abouty how strip clubs REALLY
> work..... so maybe you all need a bit oif education.
>
> STRIP CLUBS = FLEECE JOINTS.
>
> That's it. Plain and simple.
Right. If a guy isn't parting with his money, then they have to WORK to get
it.
Women who don't put out get a lot of money from guys, yet you'd think guys
wouldn't go for that. Why do they? HOPE.
Ask Mystery what he thinks of this one. He's the "inventor" of neg theory
and ignoring the target. He also knows that a lot of what works is
counterintuitive, for if it weren't, every guy would be doing it.
> One of my best friends was the head bartender at a strip club in
> Myrtle Beach SC.... when I lived there in the Mid 80's.
You get your information from a GUY BARTENDER?
>Granted,
> that's in the Dark Ages to some of you out there....
This wouldn't have worked 20 years ago. See above.
Strip clubs are hurting BADLY these days. They are "running out of
suckers."
>and some of you
> out there weren't even out of pampers yet.... but things don't change
> in places like that.
They do when the money supply is contracting as more and more men figure out
that giving money gets them nowhere.
>I used to go to this guy's and his girlfriends
> house on Sundays for seafood roasts and cookouts! We partied together
> away from the Club Environment. And, this went on for over a year. He
> and actually talked about opening up a normal club in Myrtle Beach...
> So when I say I know what I am talking about, I think I pretty well
> know the skinny.
From a GUY's perspective. You're not a chick, and even chicks don't admit
what they go for, as any guy in this group would attest.
> The ENTIRE objective of these places is to part you from your money.
In theory.
> Don't believe me?? Go to a place and don't tip..... see how long you
> last.
My record is seven hours on $19.00, with another customer buying my drinks
at the instructions of one of the dancers.
Another time, I had a dancer who offered to pay the house fee for a
champagne room if I would hypnotize her in it.
>Some places will even ask you to leave if you aren't going to
> "support the hard working girls"!!
Let them. My money remains intact if they do that.
Oh, another thing: if you go when a club is EMPTY, you being there is a plus
because it makes the club look busier and gives other guys the impression
that you have competition.
Here's another tactic: tell a dancer to tell the next guy she visits that
you just tipped her $100 for nothing, and to tell him not to bother tipping
her...THAT TIME. He feels a sense of competition just as someone who is bid
up out the wazoo at an auction would.
Hmm...maybe I should flip sides and teach the girls how to better fleece the
guys! Thanks!!
> Start off with.... The house takes the gate. That $10 cover you pay
> goes STRAIGHT into the owner's pocket.
I haven't paid a cover charge at a strip club in three years.
My tactic? "Is it really worth letting a $5 cover to stop me from spending
what I have on me in this club tonight?" Works more often than not. No
club in its right mind is going to turn down money. Not my fault if other
guys don't know how to negotiate.
Cover charges are only for those who are stupid enough to pay them. Even if
I spend only $30 on a visit, that's $30 they otherwise wouldn't get. Why
would they let a $5 cover stand in the way of $30 in revenue? Makes no
sense.
> Next is the bar. Drinks are always inflated. Bartender usually makes
> about 20% of the profit from the bar..... How he makes that profit
> higher is HIS business. ALWAYS drink beer at a Strip Club! No watering
> down!
I can always tell a watered-down drink (I know how drunk I get off of a
drink and can tell from the taste), and they pour them right in front of me,
so unless they are tampering with the bottles, which they might be.
>Oh, and the Bar usualy gets about 20% of the girl's tips.
Not at the clubs I've gone to.
> Next comes the DJ. He gets 25%-35% of the girls take.
These days they get like a $15 fee per shift, tops.
>Flat out. ANd
> believe me..... He watches. Counts the table dances.... Counts the
> Back Room visits..... If a girl is caught holding out... it doesn't go
> well. At VERY least she is kicked out of the club.
Depends on the club. Not all clubs are structured that way.
> The bouncer staff gets about 25% of the cash the bar and what the DJ
> Makes.
At the clubs I go to the bouncers get a cut of the lapdances but not the bar
tips.
> Now, as for the "Ladies" that work these places.
>
> About 40% of the strippers are Lesbians. About 60% of the Girls are
> man haters for one reason or another. They get off on the thought of
> screwing over a guy.
And on the thought of a guy who can teach them how to do that better to
OTHER GUYS.
Duh.
>They LOVE that they take his cash and he is so
> stupid to think that he's actually gonna get lucky!!!
Until he closes up his wallet and they wonder how many other men are wising
up.
Like I said, the clubs are running out of suckers. It's a true crisis.
>It's a power
> trip for a great many of the girls.
Correct, and when they can't exert their "power" they get frustrated and try
harder.
Stupid, but that's how gameplayers are.
> OK, Let's look at the remaining 40%.
>
> About half of those are regular girls with some sort of personal
> agenda. They want to get into acting or modeling.... or they are
> saving for some sort of post stripping activity when the gravity makes
> their "jiggly" parts less appealing.
Some of them are "newbies" who don't belong there. I plucked out one who
had only danced for a very short time in her entire life.
> What it boils down to is this guys..... Less than 3 in a hundred
> strippers ever get turned on by what they do.
I can do very well with a 3 percent lay rate.
>That number drops
> drastically the longer they stay in the business.
You overlook so many factors that influence dancer behavior:
1. They have to be there; I do not. That is an incredible advantage.
2. They are still women, and still react to men.
3. They have to approach me, so the ice is automatically broken.
> They are treated lich Shit. Many of them have "boyfriends" that act
> more like Pimps taking all of their cash.
Gee, how'd they get so dumb?
>They work VERY long hours
> and the work is pretty tough.
Yeah, $400 for a six-hour shift is BRUTAL!
>YOU go squeeze yourself into a tight
> pair of high heels and prance around exeuding HIGH ENERGY for 12 hours
> a day and see how chipper YOU are.
Dancer shifts are six-hours, and most of it is spent sitting down.
>See how fast YOU want to go hop
> into bed and spread your legs!
I give good massages. Think they value that?
> I guarentee you... you start asking the girls for favors.... or the
> bartender who is the easiest there... you will be handed a little
> business card with a phone number to call for the Whore du joir!!
You don't ask for sex. Duh. You just behave in a way more likely to get
them to offer it. If they don't, no problem! They're the ones missing out.
The "I am the prize" mentality.
> Don't believe me? Go ahead. Actually try. Don't take my word for it!
> IF you get felt up in the back room...... It's just enough to keep you
> on the hook for another $50 Private dance!
And if I don't part with the next $50 what's the next tactic?
>You actually think she is
> gonna get you off???? Come on man. THINK..... You get off, you leave.
> No more cash!!! You run out of cash? YOu think she will have mercy on
> you??? Not when some other guy is waiting at the door with more cash!
This of course can be used as a preemptive tactic since you can tell her all
this BEFORE you give her a dime.
I have an even better tactic for that one which I won't share since I still
use it.
> Now, I am not going to call anybody here any names. That is not my
> intent. I don't flame so don't take ths as a flame response.
I don't. I expect disbelief. If the method were easily believed, every guy
in the world would be using it.
ASF was built on counterintuitive methods. Also, even if this fails 95
percent of the time, that 5 percent can be incredible.
When a woman wants $400 for a champagne court, and I tell her I could fly to
Costa Rica, pay for my hotel room, AND a whore for two nights for not much
more money than that, and say she's overpriced, she has to deal with the
same problem that computer programmers have to deal with when someone in
India is willing to do their job for $12.50 an hour.
I believe the first thing I asked you in this post was what era you were
talking about. I agree that most of this stuff would never have worked in
the 1980s. These, however, are the zeros.
> This is quite simply the truth about strippers and what goes on in
> these places.
Here's the ONLY truth I can tell you about strippers and seducing them: no
two clubs are the same, and no club is the same on any given day.
> You stand less of a chance of getting "laid" in a strip club than you
> do at a Church Social!!!
Now that is pure bullshit, as several of my friends have proven (one guy
only had $300 a week income from a trust fund and barely tipped them, yet he
brought two of them home).
> Strip Clubs are good for a little eye candy.... and that's it PERIOD!
And if you tell the dancers that you understand "the game" you become part
of their "secret society." Once they realize you can't be fleeced they
RESPECT you as a man. Duh.
Daniel
"Ray Gordon" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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>>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known.
>> Get
>>> the lays while you can!
>>
>> WARNING: Anybody who takes GORK seriously will get laughed at as soon as
>> that's known. Run away as fast as you can.
>
> Any man who doesn't want a great method for laying strippers is free to
> take Vince's alternative advice.
What the fuck do you know about having sex with strippers? What the fuck do
you know about having sex with ANY woman?
Daniel
>> Actually around here at least, the only way to a strippers heart is
>> with cocaine or heroin or something similar. Have either one of those
>> and you're in. At least thats what my old friends used to tell me,
>> personally I've never been to a strip club before -- pay to play just
>> aint for me.
>
> Do you pay your cover charges and other expenses at regular clubs with
> monopoly money?
He probably gets closer to strippers than you do, based on your posts.
Daniel
>>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known.
>>> Get the lays while you can!
>>>
>>
>> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get
>> addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way
>> to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of
>> alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Neg them, ignore them, and blockade them (if they persist then they cost
> their fellow dancers money), and they can't get enough of you.
Wrong. Ignore them and they will ignore you. Good luck, fuckstick.
Daniel
Please tell a "stripper" that line Ray Ray. When she tells you to get the
fuck out, don't come crying to us. BTW, what does your mommy have to say
about you attempting to pick up strippers?
Formhandle
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that what Mr. Parker wrote below is useless total crap bullshit.
He also sets his "advice" up for explanation of failure later when the people
who don't know Mr Parker's USENet history try to actually follow this "advice"
and come back asking why it didn't work for them, he can claim "It's too late,
it's now too well-known." or "You didn't do it right" or any number of other
excuses except the truth: His "advice" is horsehit.
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Skin...@hotmail.com
<formh...@fastseduction.com> wrote:
> From the opinion of someone who runs the largest and most-trafficked web site
>in the world related to pick-up and seduction, I can emphatically tell everyone
>that what Mr. Parker wrote below is useless total crap bullshit.
>
>He also sets his "advice" up for explanation of failure later when the people
>who don't know Mr Parker's USENet history try to actually follow this "advice"
>and come back asking why it didn't work for them, he can claim "It's too late,
>it's now too well-known." or "You didn't do it right" or any number of other
>excuses except the truth: His "advice" is horsehit.
But he sure talks a good story don't he?
I have known assholes like him all my life. Guys that THINKG they know
it all but in truth are pathetically impotent in whatever they
undertake.
Does the name Cliff Claven come to mind here to anybody else???
Skin...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known.
>> Get
>>> the lays while you can!
>>
>> WARNING: Anybody who takes GORK seriously will get laughed at as soon as
>> that's known. Run away as fast as you can.
>
>Any man who doesn't want a great method for laying strippers is free to take
>Vince's alternative advice.
>
>Go ahead, Vince, educate the public here on how to seduce strippers.
>
>By the way, I did not knock off Mystery's work any more than Ross knocked
>off Bandler's. I took some of his basic concepts and used them to lay
>strippers, and gave him full props for the ideas, but I'm still the one who
>evolved them to fit this specific situation.
>
You know. We used to have your sort in the NCO clubs in the Army....
YOur type was the guy who sat at the bar every night and told his war
stories to whatever young rookie might pass by. They were the only
ones that would listen to the line after line of bullshit cause they
were raw, new and didn't know any better.
I learned VERY quickly at a VERY Young age that those who talk the
biggest lines usually saw the very LEAST action!
>Of course, knockoffs are a part of mail order. My family was in mail order
>and expected the knockoffs to hit the market within six months of their
>debut; that's par for the course. My e-book and general business model has
>been "knocked off" by dozens of new gurus, and they'll be "knocked off" by
>others in the future. Such is the nature of commerce in America; ideas
>cannot be copyrighted, and everyone is going to put their individual spin on
>them.
>
>So, Vince, tell the people here how to lay strippers. My method is proven
The word is Proved. THere is no such word as Proven!
Skin...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> OK. I haven't seen anybody post anything abouty how strip clubs REALLY
>> work..... so maybe you all need a bit oif education.
>>
>> STRIP CLUBS = FLEECE JOINTS.
>>
>> That's it. Plain and simple.
>
>Right. If a guy isn't parting with his money, then they have to WORK to get
>it.
>
W R O N G ! ! !
You are totally disregarding the Law of the Path of Least Resistance.
Unless you are going to strip clubs that are deserted there are going
to be PLENTY of easy marks for these girls to tap!
You Idoit! The cover IS a MAJOR part of what the club makes. Thedy
also make off the bar but the gate is their Sweet Butter!
The more you talk the more youo prove you don't know what the hell you
are talking about!
>Cover charges are only for those who are stupid enough to pay them. Even if
>I spend only $30 on a visit, that's $30 they otherwise wouldn't get. Why
>would they let a $5 cover stand in the way of $30 in revenue? Makes no
>sense.
>
I don't know what kind of clubs you have where you live but here....
you don't pony up at the door.... you don't get in the door!! PERIOD!
>> Next is the bar. Drinks are always inflated. Bartender usually makes
>> about 20% of the profit from the bar..... How he makes that profit
>> higher is HIS business. ALWAYS drink beer at a Strip Club! No watering
>> down!
>
>I can always tell a watered-down drink (I know how drunk I get off of a
>drink and can tell from the taste), and they pour them right in front of me,
>so unless they are tampering with the bottles, which they might be.
>
The more I read from you the more I begin to realize that you are
quite a legend in your own mind!
I tended bar for a very long time. You can water down the bottles.....
you can short pour.... There are a hundred ways. However in SC they
use the Mini bottle..... at least for now. No weak drinks here!!!
>
>>Oh, and the Bar usualy gets about 20% of the girl's tips.
>
>Not at the clubs I've gone to.
>
How do you know? It's not really common knowledge! Unless you ask I
doubt the information would be voulenteered. If the clubs in your area
do it different then fine... but I am betting that in one fashion or
another tip money from the girls get's to the bar!
>
>> Next comes the DJ. He gets 25%-35% of the girls take.
>
>These days they get like a $15 fee per shift, tops.
>
Oh BULLSHIT! A good DJ is what makes the house rock. They aren't going
to work for that. That's not even Union Wage!
You really DO think you know EVERYTHING don't you!!!
>
>>Flat out. ANd
>> believe me..... He watches. Counts the table dances.... Counts the
>> Back Room visits..... If a girl is caught holding out... it doesn't go
>> well. At VERY least she is kicked out of the club.
>
>Depends on the club. Not all clubs are structured that way.
>
No, they are not. And I would be the first to ADMIT that perhaps the
clubs you go to are different.... but knowing human nature and the
nature of fleecing people as well as I do.... I am betting that I am a
LOT closer to the truth than you are!
>
>> The bouncer staff gets about 25% of the cash the bar and what the DJ
>> Makes.
>
>At the clubs I go to the bouncers get a cut of the lapdances but not the bar
>tips.
>
>
>> Now, as for the "Ladies" that work these places.
>>
>> About 40% of the strippers are Lesbians. About 60% of the Girls are
>> man haters for one reason or another. They get off on the thought of
>> screwing over a guy.
>
>And on the thought of a guy who can teach them how to do that better to
>OTHER GUYS.
>
>Duh.
>
Doh..... THese are MAN HATERS. THey won't spend a MINUTE with a man
that they don't HAVE to! Are you going to start telling us all here
that you regularly bed down LESBIANS???? Go ahead. Throw that stone
and see how far it flies!
>
>>They LOVE that they take his cash and he is so
>> stupid to think that he's actually gonna get lucky!!!
>
>Until he closes up his wallet and they wonder how many other men are wising
>up.
>
Here again you retreat back into your fantasy world. YOu need to get
out into the REAL world and realize that these people don;t think that
far ahead!
>Like I said, the clubs are running out of suckers. It's a true crisis.
>
>>It's a power
>> trip for a great many of the girls.
>
>Correct, and when they can't exert their "power" they get frustrated and try
>harder.
>
No. They don't. They move on to the next sucker! ANd there are plenty
to go around!
>Stupid, but that's how gameplayers are.
>
>
>> OK, Let's look at the remaining 40%.
>>
>> About half of those are regular girls with some sort of personal
>> agenda. They want to get into acting or modeling.... or they are
>> saving for some sort of post stripping activity when the gravity makes
>> their "jiggly" parts less appealing.
>
>Some of them are "newbies" who don't belong there. I plucked out one who
>had only danced for a very short time in her entire life.
>
Pray tell Cassanova...... Exactly how many strippers have you
"plucked"? I am really curious. Surely a man of your calibre keeps a
tally. So how many is it up to now???
This outta be good!
>> What it boils down to is this guys..... Less than 3 in a hundred
>> strippers ever get turned on by what they do.
>
>I can do very well with a 3 percent lay rate.
>
I didn't say they do something about it. In all the time I hung with
that crown only ONE girl got pregnant by a customer and only one other
girl ever dated a customer!
>>That number drops
>> drastically the longer they stay in the business.
>
>You overlook so many factors that influence dancer behavior:
>
>1. They have to be there; I do not. That is an incredible advantage.
>
>2. They are still women, and still react to men.
>
Especially a man like YOU!!! Right??
:sigh:
>3. They have to approach me, so the ice is automatically broken.
>
No. THey do NOT have to approach you. I have gone into clubs solo and
been ignored in favor of hitting the tables where there are two or
more guys to double up on the tipping!
>
>> They are treated lich Shit. Many of them have "boyfriends" that act
>> more like Pimps taking all of their cash.
>
>Gee, how'd they get so dumb?
>
Are you THAT dumb??
REALLY?
>>They work VERY long hours
>> and the work is pretty tough.
>
>Yeah, $400 for a six-hour shift is BRUTAL!
>
I wouldn't do it after seeing it up close and personal like I did.
Were I a pretty enough girl I would do most anything before I would do
that. And the shiftf I have seen are a darned site longer than 6
hours. Most of the girls I knew worked a MINIMUM of 8 hours a day, six
days a week. Most times it was more like 10 hours though!
AND.... they had to buy their own costumes!
>>YOU go squeeze yourself into a tight
>> pair of high heels and prance around exeuding HIGH ENERGY for 12 hours
>> a day and see how chipper YOU are.
>
>Dancer shifts are six-hours, and most of it is spent sitting down.
>
Oh Puleeezzzz...... If they are sitting they are not making and dance
tips. MOST clubs I have been in keep the girls UP and dancing!
GOD you are clueless!
>>See how fast YOU want to go hop
>> into bed and spread your legs!
>
>I give good massages. Think they value that?
>
YOu got an answer for everything don't you?
I got a 13 year old nephew that is exactly the same. Thinks he knows
it all. You remind me of him VERY much!
>
>> I guarentee you... you start asking the girls for favors.... or the
>> bartender who is the easiest there... you will be handed a little
>> business card with a phone number to call for the Whore du joir!!
>
>You don't ask for sex. Duh. You just behave in a way more likely to get
>them to offer it. If they don't, no problem! They're the ones missing out.
>
>The "I am the prize" mentality.
>
See.... That's the problem with you guys that think you are God's gift
to women.... YOu actually BELIEVE that line of crap. Good thing
SOMEBODY does cause the girls don't!
You think they shed One tear over your walking away? Well, I guess YOU
do....
>
>> Don't believe me? Go ahead. Actually try. Don't take my word for it!
>> IF you get felt up in the back room...... It's just enough to keep you
>> on the hook for another $50 Private dance!
>
>And if I don't part with the next $50 what's the next tactic?
>
There won't be one. They will walk past you for the next guy!
>>You actually think she is
>> gonna get you off???? Come on man. THINK..... You get off, you leave.
>> No more cash!!! You run out of cash? YOu think she will have mercy on
>> you??? Not when some other guy is waiting at the door with more cash!
>
>This of course can be used as a preemptive tactic since you can tell her all
>this BEFORE you give her a dime.
>
>I have an even better tactic for that one which I won't share since I still
>use it.
>
Sure you do Cassanova. Sure you do.
>
>> Now, I am not going to call anybody here any names. That is not my
>> intent. I don't flame so don't take ths as a flame response.
>
>I don't. I expect disbelief. If the method were easily believed, every guy
>in the world would be using it.
>
>ASF was built on counterintuitive methods. Also, even if this fails 95
>percent of the time, that 5 percent can be incredible.
>
>When a woman wants $400 for a champagne court, and I tell her I could fly to
>Costa Rica, pay for my hotel room, AND a whore for two nights for not much
>more money than that, and say she's overpriced, she has to deal with the
>same problem that computer programmers have to deal with when someone in
>India is willing to do their job for $12.50 an hour.
>
>I believe the first thing I asked you in this post was what era you were
>talking about. I agree that most of this stuff would never have worked in
>the 1980s. These, however, are the zeros.
>
The industry hasn't changed that much. In fact, I have seen it get
even more selective.
>
>> This is quite simply the truth about strippers and what goes on in
>> these places.
>
>Here's the ONLY truth I can tell you about strippers and seducing them: no
>two clubs are the same, and no club is the same on any given day.
>
>
>> You stand less of a chance of getting "laid" in a strip club than you
>> do at a Church Social!!!
>
>Now that is pure bullshit, as several of my friends have proven (one guy
>only had $300 a week income from a trust fund and barely tipped them, yet he
>brought two of them home).
>
>
>> Strip Clubs are good for a little eye candy.... and that's it PERIOD!
>
>And if you tell the dancers that you understand "the game" you become part
>of their "secret society." Once they realize you can't be fleeced they
>RESPECT you as a man. Duh.
Oh sure they do. Do they give you a secred decoder ring and a special
agent badge too?
God, I started out thinking you were just blowing smoke.... then I
thought you were just a bullshit king... then I figgured you were just
pathetic and trying to bolster your own ego....
Now I am just enjoying this line of crap as entertainment! Do you
write for a living by chance?
Dolores
> I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex." I make HEAVY eye contact and
> have a facial expression that says "I'll rock your world if you let me and
> don't give me any shit along the way."
>
> I was right: she wanted sex. Who was I to deny a damsel in distress?
You are so completely making this up. TOTALLY transparent.
--
-=Lola
Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole
August Pamplona
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:54:34 GMT, "Ray Gordon" <r...@cybersheet.com>
> wrote:
>
[snip]
>>So, Vince, tell the people here how to lay strippers. My method is proven
>
> The word is Proved. THere is no such word as Proven!
[snip]
August Pamplona
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> Ray Gordon wrote:
>
>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's
>> known. Get the lays while you can!
>>
>
> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get
> addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way
> to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of
> alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
>
> Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
>
That's not true. My ex-gf was a stripper when I was dating her (she had
been a legal transcriptionist and got bored with it) and I met a lot of
strippers, most of them had kinda putzy guys for bfs or else kind of
equally putzy gfs (me), and only a few of them were at all stuck-up.
Dolores
> So, Vince, tell the people here how to lay strippers. My method is proven
> successful and I endorse it 100 percent. The worst that'll happen is that a
> guy wastes an hour and about $15-20 in a strip club. Compare that with the
> $12.00 cocktails at the club Mystery was at that was referenced in the Elle
> article, or the $20 cover charge most clubs charge, and it's not exactly
> expensive.
>
"Proven" by whom? Your own personal testimonial?
Skin...@hotmail.com
<cosm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Skin...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:54:34 GMT, "Ray Gordon" <r...@cybersheet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>[snip]
>
>>>So, Vince, tell the people here how to lay strippers. My method is proven
>>
>> The word is Proved. THere is no such word as Proven!
>
> http://onelook.com/?w=proven
>
>[snip]
And I quote from :
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=proven
"usage The past participle proven, originally the past participle of
preve, a Middle English variant of prove that survived in Scotland,
has gradually worked its way into standard English over the past three
and a half centuries. It seems to have first become established in
legal use and to have come only slowly into literary use. Tennyson was
one of its earliest frequent users, probably for metrical reasons. It
was disapproved by 19th century grammarians, one of whom included it
in a list of "words that are not words." Surveys made some 40 or 50
years ago indicated that proved was about four times as frequent as
proven. But our evidence from the last 20 or 25 years shows this no
longer to be the case. As a past participle proven is now about as
frequent as proved in all contexts. As an attributive adjective
<proved or proven gas reserves> proven is much more common than
proved. "
Matter of Opinion I'd say.
Just cause "Ain't" is used..... doesn't make it proper. :)
Vince Runza
> >> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's
known.
> > Get
> >> the lays while you can!
> >
as
> > that's known. Run away as fast as you can.
>
> Any man who doesn't want a great method for laying strippers is free to
take
> Vince's alternative advice.
>
> Go ahead, Vince, educate the public here on how to seduce strippers.
Assuming you want drug addicted, abused-as-children sex partners, here's
the scoop: Find out where they go after work (a diner or coffee shop), go
there, use tons of neg hits (as Mystery defined them) and plenty of
push-pull. No cover, no minimum, plenty pussy.
Questions?
Vince
--
8===Ğ
Dolores
> As opposed to the virgins that the other gurus seduce same-day from
> nightclubs?
"gurus" LOL!
> Doesn't matter now anyway as I published the method so it's "known."
This is THE BEST... now that you've "published" it on a tiny obscure
Usenet NG known only to about forty people, it won't work anymore.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Great out.
> Hotties wind up in skank pits. I agree that the very high-level clubs are a
> different breed of cat.
??? How would a hot dancer end up in a skank pit? 'Cause she's on meth
and the other clubs won't book her anymore?
>> And if, by some unlucky (?) circumstance, you happen to be sitting
>>next to the stripper's boyfriend/husband, it might even get you
>>bitchslapped first.
>
>
> That would get the club sued for a fortune, and their boyfriends and
> husbands are generally not allowed to visit the club.
This pretty thoroughly proves that you don't actually go to strip clubs.
Dancer's husbands and boyfriends are allowed in.
>>Even
>>ugly-ass mugs such as yours truly can get girlies to sit down for
>>drinks after their shift is over, and even go out elsewhere afterwards
>>if the girl feels even mildly comfortable that ulterior motives are
>>not at the tippy-top of the agenda.
>
>
> Clubs fire dancers who do that. I'm surprised that someone who worked there
> wouldn't know that?
??? Once again, you made this up and it shows how unfamiliar you are
with strip clubs.
Dolores
> The ENTIRE objective of these places is to part you from your money.
> Don't believe me?? Go to a place and don't tip..... see how long you
> last. Some places will even ask you to leave if you aren't going to
> "support the hard working girls"!!
Ummm... duh?
The dancers live off tips; they're usually hired as independent
contractors which absolves the clubs from paying them a wage, they make
NOTHING except from tips. They're there to make a living. If dancers
don't make tips, they won't dance there, and the club loses money. The
clubs known for having the best tips get the best dancers. And yes, as
you say, strip clubs are good for looking, and nothing more; they are
exactly what they seem to be. Although dancers have been known to find
their bf/gf at the club, it's not common and that's definitely not what
the clubs are for.
Dolores
> Strip clubs are hurting BADLY these days. They are "running out of
> suckers."
Crack... monkey.... crack....monkey....
kate
>man haters for one reason or another. They get off on the thought of
>screwing over a guy. They LOVE that they take his cash and he is so
>stupid to think that he's actually gonna get lucky!!! It's a power
>trip for a great many of the girls.
Could you support that allegation by a reference to some reliable
documentation, please? I do not deny that I met a few lesbians in that
occupation, but most of those were, in fact bi-sexuals. As for 60% "man
haters", I take that to be merely your opinion.
But you are very correct in one particular; one is extremely unlikely
to "get lucky" in a strip club.The odds are greatly stacked against it.
K
kate
here's
>the scoop: Find out where they go after work (a diner or coffee
shop), go
>there, use tons of neg hits (as Mystery defined them) and plenty of
>push-pull. No cover, no minimum, plenty pussy.
>Questions?
>Vince
I almost always went back to my apartment, soaked in the tub, went to
bed alone, except when I lived with a boyfriend for a year, and read
myself to sleep for the next day's classes.
--
>8===Ð
Cute!
K
Dolores
From dictionary.com:
"Usage Note: Prove has two past participles: proved and proven. Proved
is the older form. Proven is a variant. The Middle English spellings of
prove included preven, a form that died out in England but survived in
Scotland, and the past participle proven, a form that probably rose by
analogy with verbs like weave, woven and cleave, cloven. Proven was
originally used in Scottish legal contexts, such as The jury ruled that
the charges were not proven. In the 20th century, proven has made
inroads into the territory once dominated by proved, so that now the two
forms compete on equal footing as participles. However, when used as an
adjective before a noun, proven is now the more common word: a proven
talent."
JJT
>Ummm... duh?
Double Duh.
I was helping a club set up their website, and was shocked, SHOCKED
to hear a dancer use the carney word: "kayfabe". I almost broke it.
Those who don't know, it's a old carney word to alert everybody that
a "sucker" (in carney days) or later, someone who was not in on the
pitch was around. Pro Wrestling took it us in the 40s/50s (and today)
to mean that a fan or outsider was around. So all the story lines had
to be played. Breaking 'kayfabe' ment queering the pitch.
Anyway, the ladies here just said 'kayfabe' whenever a customer was
around, They turned it on and off like a switch, b4 & after $$ ran out.
Parker's joke of an idea just plays into this pitch, and there are far
FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR 2 many rubes with $$$ that will get a shit load of
attention LONG B4 a non tipping, prawn refusing, herpes infested loser
of a child molester (aka: Gordon Roy "..if it were legal, I'd.." Parker)
even gets his 1st drink thrown in his face (I have the clip, it's a hoot).
..never mind anyone who BELIVES his none sense.
JJT
"gol-e, Fuz,..U gonna go there! ?"
Fuz 'da Bun: I'm gonna spill me some beans ! : "
Well they're ASF shilling..
Big Bad RICO villains
And we scam everyone, ya know
(that sounds like us ? )
We sing about seduction
And we sing about gurlz
as we put on a little show
(yeah, ca-ching! Kiss me, hun..)
We have all kind-a girls
who sell us all kind-a thrills
But the thrill we've never known
Is the thrill of that true fame
When you get your real name
On the docket with Gordon Roy
Gordon Roy
"..fucking court.." gonna call out my name..
Parker-boy !
"..fucking judge.." gonna make him explain..
ROY !
Nothing ever gonna be the same..
On the docket with Gordon Roy
He got a sorry widdle mommie named Baseball Bat Penny..
who pays all his ways and means..hahahaha
He got his own collection of dollies
Re-Writing his "ray-world" dreams...
Now it's all designed to be so blind:..,
But gotta see it's pretty lame..
Unlike the thrill of the true fame
When you get your real name
On the docket with Gordon Roy
Gordon Roy
He's gonna throw all his Meds away....
Parker-boy !
Gonna stay online night and day..
ROY !
And he'll have to fully explain ..
On the docket with Gordon Roy
mASF: hey, i know all about his failures..!!!
<Solo>
JJT: "..hey, I'm John Doe #17 !!!"
Spoken: Counter sue his ass, Google !!!..
He dreams of underaged gymnasts"..sexual performers.."
and that gets him thru da day.."..if it were legal."
He's got a made up a hooker named, um, 'hellen'..
Earning money to get him laid... ha ha ha ha ha
He gets all the jobs $10k n mommie provide.,
Still he cries cause he's all alone..
Yet we keep gettin' richer,
..still he can't get our signature
On the docket with Gordon Roy
Gordon Roy
He'll make all the "cunts" and "whores" pay...
Parker-boy !
"..if it were legal.." children, he would slay !..
Gordon ROY !
I just wonder what the Judge will say....
On the docket with Gordon Roy
Talking:
I don't know why we ain't in no courtroom, baby!
He's an "..inexcusable failure.." at it, ya know..!
I ain't kiddin' you man, we'd make a great defendant.
I mean, I can see it right now--we be up front,
Oh, we be laughing so hard......beautiful!
Skin...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>>>I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this
>>>tactic before,
>>
>> Musta been some real bottom-shelf skank and/or serious psycho.
>
>
>As opposed to the virgins that the other gurus seduce same-day from
>nightclubs?
>
>
>> [..being fed up with wasting my money on the ugly dancers..]
>>>"Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip
>>>one more time, I'm going to walk straight out of here and I
>>>doubt the other dancers would appreciate losing the money.
>>>Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
>>
>> Isn't that just special.
>> Can't help but wonder if you say that within earshot of a bouncer.
>> 'Cuz if you do, and you're not a regular or a movie star, you'll be
>> politely asked to clip the attitude or leave.
>
>Wrong again: strip clubs don't kick out guys who have attitude, especially
>when they buy top-shelf drinks and tip the barmaid well. They know many of
>their customers go in there when they aren't at their best.
>
>Asking me to leave would cost the other dancers money. You must have missed
>that part.
>
Please tell me what fantasy world you just stepped out of??
Man, if you get out of line, if you harass the girls.... I don't care
if you just dropped a grand in ONE DOLLAR BILLS.... your ass will get
bounced just as fast as any other jerk.
Your main problem is you are WAAAYYY too full of yourself!
You harber a vastly overinflated sense of self worth!
Skin...@hotmail.com
Thank you M'am for supporting my statements. This idoit is living in
some drug induced fantasy world!
Skin...@hotmail.com
YEah. Do you and this other guy share a room in the same ward?
Dolores
Say it with me now; Ray Gordon is a crack.... monkey.... crack.... monkey...
Ray Gordon
> site in the world
Sounds pretty damn commercial to me.
>related to pick-up and seduction, I can emphatically tell everyone that
>what Mr. Parker wrote below is useless total crap bullshit.
<snicker>
> He also sets his "advice" up for explanation of failure later when the
> people who don't know Mr Parker's USENet history
Sounds like someone else needs a history lesson here.
>try to actually follow this "advice" and come back asking why it didn't
>work for them, he can claim "It's too late, it's now too well-known." or
>"You didn't do it right" or any number of other excuses except the truth:
Now now, that's what the other gurus do.
>His "advice" is horsehit.
And of course that this man takes sponsorship money from my competitors has
NOTHING to do with his point of view <wink>.
--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html
Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating
affiliated books!
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
The Seduction Library. Four free books to get you started on your quest to
get laid.
Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.
Ray Gordon
He's so successful, but has to take potshots at his competition. Right.
The Richard Dawson of Rogers Park
<weasel...@sinmonkey.com> scribbled:
>Ray Gordon wrote:
>
>> I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex." I make HEAVY eye contact and
>> have a facial expression that says "I'll rock your world if you let me and
>> don't give me any shit along the way."
>>
>> I was right: she wanted sex. Who was I to deny a damsel in distress?
>
>You are so completely making this up. TOTALLY transparent.
Wow, Gay Rordon is making that dumbass with the codeine/acetaminophen
cocktail look smarter every minute.
The Richard Dawson of Rogers Park
He's one of at least three fictional characters who have never eaten
in my kitchen.
Ray Gordon
Where oh WHERE is TFM 2.0?
--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html
Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating
affiliated books!
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
The Seduction Library. Four free books to get you started on your quest to
get laid.
Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.
"Formhandle" <formh...@fastseduction.com> wrote in message
news:9dydndmWaur...@giganews.com...
> From the opinion of someone who runs the largest and most-trafficked web
> site in the world related to pick-up and seduction, I can emphatically
> tell everyone that what Mr. Parker wrote below is useless total crap
> bullshit.
>
> He also sets his "advice" up for explanation of failure later when the
> people who don't know Mr Parker's USENet history try to actually follow
> this "advice" and come back asking why it didn't work for them, he can
> claim "It's too late, it's now too well-known." or "You didn't do it
> right" or any number of other excuses except the truth: His "advice" is
> horsehit.
>
> --
> Form <formh...@fastseduction.com>
>
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> Class is now in session...
>
> Say goodbye to trolls, newsloons, and spam.
> Gain (FREE) access to the moderated ASF newsgroups at:
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>
>
>
> Ray Gordon (Gordon Roy Parker) wrote:
>
>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known.
>> Get the lays while you can!
>>
>> Okay, I'm going to reveal my Ace in the hole, my trump card, my technique
>> for laying strippers you meet in their clubs. This technique is SO
>> simple that even an idiot (read: half of my critics) could use it to get
>> laid. I have to give some props to Mystery here because he inspired it
>> with his "neg" theory.
>>
>> I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this tactic before,
>> and it's a very, VERY simple one. To pull it off, of course, you have to
>> have a POSITIVE ATTITUDE about it, the kind where you smile while you're
>> telling someone to fuck off.
>>
>> As usual, I discovered the method by accident, on a day when I was in a
>> mood where I didn't feel like taking anyone's shit. I hauled ass over to
>> a strip club in a neighboring town (don't hit the clubs in your home city
>> if you can avoid it, for the same reasons the dancers don't work in their
>> hoods).
>>
>> I did not want to publish this for the longest time because once this cat
>> is out of the bag, the method will stop working, but what the fuck, I
>> don't use it anymore.
>>
>> The basic approach of tipping "$1 a clip" and drinking is still in force.
>> This approach is based on a hardcore "neg" that isn't easy to pull off,
>> and which of course can backfire (but who gives a shit if it works a
>> lot?). Fortunately, when it does backfire you'll save money and can just
>> try it on another club.
>>
>> As usual, this night I walked into the club, there were about 15 dancers
>> in the rotation, maybe six of them were fuckable, and of those, maybe two
>> of them were truly hot. Also as usual, the super-hotties were busy
>> giving dances and fleecing the suckers out of their money, while the
>> desperate, ugly strippers were making rounds (no shock there).
>>
>> I'm thinking to myself "what a fucking crock" and that this was a bait
>> and switch. As this UG Stripper (maybe a 7, but a UG for a stripper)
>> approaches me, I think of the PERFECT neg for her, based on my being fed
>> up with wasting my money on the ugly dancers, and tell myself that when
>> she approaches, I would say in a very polite tone, the following:
>>
>> "Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip one more
>> time, I'm going to walk straight out of here and I doubt the other
>> dancers would appreciate losing the money. Could you please just LEAVE
>> ME ALONE?"
>>
>> Now the staff won't help her because they want their cut of my money, and
>> I always make sure to tip the bartender well, while tipping the other
>> dancers, so in essence they are being singled out. I figured if I didn't
>> tip the UG I could save the dollar for a visit by a hottie.
>>
>> Then I had a flash of inspiration and remembered two things Mystery
>> preaches:
>>
>> 1. Neg the HOTTIE
>>
>> 2. Ignore the TARGET.
>>
>> When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the customary
>> dollar while praising her looks. She walked away beaming.
>>
>> Then the hottie showed up after the next song.
>>
>> I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for my coat
>> and said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather stay." She
>> backed off and left me alone.
>>
>> At first.
>>
>> She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I don't want a
>> tip." (props to myself for this because now she's a returning fox).
>>
>> I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex." I make HEAVY eye contact and
>> have a facial expression that says "I'll rock your world if you let me
>> and don't give me any shit along the way."
>>
>> I was right: she wanted sex. Who was I to deny a damsel in distress?
>>
>> Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it. Go ahead,
>> folks, field test this. You'll see how powerful it is when you do it
>> right.
>>
>> I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but it's too
>> edgy for general consumption, and will get you thrown out of the club
>> about 20 percent of the time (and laid the other 80 percent). Perhaps in
>> a few years...
JJT
>> >They just don't make gurus like they used to.
EVERYBODY SING !!!!!
"..OHHHHHHHHHHHHH <me me me me me..U U U U U...>
A-nod-har Sat-urd-ay nite and he ain't got no-boddieeee
..he got no money and he can't get laid..
So he haunts the Net till his, um, 'hellen' goes limp-wrist..
..It sure sucks to be ray...
(CONGA LINE !!!!!)
A-nod-har Sat-urd-ay nite and he ain't got no-boddieeee
..he gots no money while he can't get laid..
....he haunts the Net till his dollies goes nite-nite..
..It sure sucks to be ray...
(NOW, a SOLO from Fuz da BUN ! )
..it's always Saturday nite and he can't scam no ladies:
..he got no money and 'hellen' just can't get paid..
..REALITY is so much fun, come join us and party....
..oppps..I forgot.., the loser's's name is ray..
(NOW JUST THE WOMEN)
A-nod-har Sat-urd-ay nite and he ain't got no-boddieeee
..even if with tons of money we just laugh his way
HEY, his dolly(s) get more HOT action then he does....
..It sure sucks to be ray... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(now the men..)
HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA
..IT SURE SUCKS TO BE RAY....
<in closing, for those of U on drugs....>
A-nod-har Sat-urd-ay nite and he ain't got no-boddieeee
..he got no money and he can't get laid..
So he haunts the Net till his, um, 'hellen' goes nite-nite..
..It sure sucks to be ray...
G U R you..?
<I'm not at ALL happy with the Flash-Card section !!!!!>
Skin...@hotmail.com
<weasel...@sinmonkey.com> wrote:
I don't even think he's THAT smart. Now I am thinking he's some pimple
faced little 16 year old snot nose punk that is living out some vivid
fantasy.
He CAN'T have ever spent ANY time in a strip club.......
And I want to be there when he goes into his first too......
I wanna measure hohw far he bounces out the front door when he tries
some of this crap!!!
kate
>That's not true. My ex-gf was a stripper when I was dating her (she
had
>been a legal transcriptionist and got bored with it) and I met a lot
of
>strippers, most of them had kinda putzy guys for bfs or else kind of
>equally putzy gfs (me), and only a few of them were at all stuck-up.
>=Lola
The mistake is to constantly attempt to make blanket statements that
are true in every case. It almost screams "stupidity." There ARE
narcissistic dancers, just as there are narcissistic posters who
pretend to be experts on everything under the sun!
And there was a dancer who was a single mother, and there was a lesbian
who hated men, and there were two college students, myself included,
and there was a housewife, and there was a drug addict, and there were
stupid girls who had no other way of making that much money, and there
was a slut looking for a rich husband, and there was a beautiful but
very sad nymphomaniac, and the list goes on. There are no simple
answers or explanations for something as complex as human motivations.
K
audrey in velvet
1107107138.3...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "kate"
<kcour...@yahoo.com> wrote:
i think what you say makes a lot of sense...but i bet they all had something
in common though...
im not sure how accurate it is but when i studied *feminism* in college...it
was taught that most strippers or sex workers were sexually molested as
children...i wondered if that was actually true
Dolores
He wouldn't dare. He'd be sitting there stiff as a board and standing at
attention, too scared shitless to remember that he's supposed to tip the
nice ladies.
l ll l
(in message <lupnv0ltjt10sf0km...@4ax.com>):
(aka: Gordon Roy "..if it were legal, I'd.." Parker)
> even gets his 1st drink thrown in his face (I have the clip, it's a hoot).
So, when are you gonna post the clip??!!
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JJT
>(in message <lupnv0ltjt10sf0km...@4ax.com>):
> (aka: Gordon Roy "..if it were legal, I'd.." Parker)
>> even gets his 1st drink thrown in his face (I have the clip, it's a hoot).
>
>So, when are you gonna post the clip??!!
If and when grp-ie grows the balls to sue, as the owner
of the footage has also been threatened by grp-ie via
lawsuit 2, so till that happens, it remains private.
JJT
You're nobody till Ray Gordon fears you..
You're nobody till grp-ie spews you a threat..
Afraid in 'ray-world', in Mommie's abode, all alone, getting old..
while his threats are all "..inexcusable failures.."
...by a Judge, we are told...
'ray-ality' still is quite insane
You'll never understand it
As long all his threats are impotent bluffs !
You're nobody till Ray Gordon fears you..
And Gordon Roy Parker fears everyone......
Skin...@hotmail.com
Sadly true.
Those with the biggest story usually have the least expereince!
Vince Runza
>Vince
-I almost always went back to my apartment, soaked in the tub, went to
-bed alone, except when I lived with a boyfriend for a year, and read-
-myself to sleep for the next day's classes.
Clearly, you are not the type that the sad majority of gals who strip are
burdened with.
>8===Ğ
-Cute!
-K
I think that's a very sensible attitude for you to have. No, really!
Vince
--
8===Ğ
Vince Runza
> >Vince
>
> YEah. Do you and this other guy share a room in the same ward?
Nah, we only share the same State of the Union.
Vince
--
8===Ğ
kate
I was never molested as a child. Which specific feminist authors made
this allegation? Could you be more specific and name some sources?
K
kate
strip are
>burdened with.
I will not confirm any statement about an abstract "majority". I don't
know anything about that alleged "majority".
> think that's a very sensible attitude for you to have. No, really!
>Vince
Are you referring to my skepticism of blanket statements, or my cold
financial assessment of the costs and benefits, which?
K
Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>> im not sure how accurate it is but when i studied *feminism* in
> college...it
>> was taught that most strippers or sex workers were sexually molested
> as
>> children...i wondered if that was actually true
>
> I was never molested as a child. Which specific feminist authors made
> this allegation? Could you be more specific and name some sources?
>
No.
--
"Good. Bad. I'm the one with the gun."
Ash.
Ray Gordon
was a slut looking for a rich husband,>>
ooops! Just one post ago she was talking about how they don't fuck
customers.
kate
Do you have a reading problem? Seriously? I said I never slept with a
customer at the club. I never said that it never happened. Did you miss
an important grade in school in which the meanings of "I", "me", "we"
and "they" were explained? (I notice that you habitually refer to
yourself and your opinions in the plural, as if you spoke for others.
Do you know how odd that is?)
It is generally recognized that trying to talk with you is futile. You
only substantiate this belief by misconstruing the import of what
others write. I believe you do it on purpose.
K
l ll l
(in message <1107270102....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
(I notice that you habitually refer to
> yourself and your opinions in the plural, as if you spoke for others.
> Do you know how odd that is?)
It sounds like a dellusional type thing, like he's the queen referring to
herself in 3rd person..."we are not amused."
Paul Robinson
2. I find your comments usually have no actual relevance to the real
world. This just proves it.
3. I find the probability that insulting a woman badly is going to get
you laid is so near zero as to be all but nonexistent. I think the
typical "neg hit" that some people talk about is a form of teasing, not
an out-and-out put down, which is what you propose to do.
4. Almost everything you say is a lie, so I have no reason to believe
anything you say absent proof.
5. Since I have asked you before if you had gotten any women and you
have consistently refused to answer, this means your entire claim is bogus.
Ray Gordon wrote:
> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known.
I don't think it ever worked in the first place.
> Get the lays while you can!
Yeah, right, like that's going to happen.
> Okay, I'm going to reveal my Ace in the hole, my trump card, my technique
> for laying strippers you meet in their clubs. This technique is SO simple
> that even an idiot (read: half of my critics) could use it to get laid. I
> have to give some props to Mystery here because he inspired it with his
> "neg" theory.
>
> I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this tactic before,
> and it's a very, VERY simple one. To pull it off, of course, you have to
> have a POSITIVE ATTITUDE about it, the kind where you smile while you're
> telling someone to fuck off.
Telling someone to fuck off is a practice that you have long experience
in performing. **
> The basic approach of tipping "$1 a clip" and drinking is still in force.
> This approach is based on a hardcore "neg" that isn't easy to pull off, and
> which of course can backfire (but who gives a shit if it works a lot?).
> Fortunately, when it does backfire you'll save money and can just try it on
> another club.
>
> As usual, this night I walked into the club, there were about 15 dancers in
> the rotation, maybe six of them were fuckable, and of those, maybe two of
> them were truly hot. Also as usual, the super-hotties were busy giving
> dances and fleecing the suckers out of their money, while the desperate,
> ugly strippers were making rounds (no shock there).
>
> I'm thinking to myself "what a fucking crock" and that this was a bait and
> switch. As this UG Stripper (maybe a 7, but a UG for a stripper) approaches
> me, I think of the PERFECT neg for her, based on my being fed up with
> wasting my money on the ugly dancers, and tell myself that when she
> approaches, I would say in a very polite tone, the following:
>
> "Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip one more time,
> I'm going to walk straight out of here and I doubt the other dancers would
> appreciate losing the money. Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
You're a worse cheapskate than I am, I doubt seriously that you would
even have any money to be offering strippers. This also presumes that
strippers are interested in their customers. The evidence from those
involved in this that has been reported here makes this extremely
unlikely. I'll consider the comments of a woman who has been a stripper
to be of higher validity over yours.
> Now the staff won't help her because they want their cut of my money, and I
> always make sure to tip the bartender well, while tipping the other dancers,
> so in essence they are being singled out. I figured if I didn't tip the UG
> I could save the dollar for a visit by a hottie.
As I said, you're a cheap fuck. Or rather, since you never get laid,
delete the last word of the previous sentence.
> Then I had a flash of inspiration and remembered two things Mystery
> preaches:
>
> 1. Neg the HOTTIE
> 2. Ignore the TARGET.
>
> When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the customary
> dollar while praising her looks. She walked away beaming.
Yeah, like they're really that despirate for money.
> Then the hottie showed up after the next song.
>
> I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for my coat and
> said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather stay." She backed off
> and left me alone.
>
> At first.
>
> She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I don't want a
> tip." (props to myself for this because now she's a returning fox).
>
> I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex." I make HEAVY eye contact and
> have a facial expression that says "I'll rock your world if you let me and
> don't give me any shit along the way."
>
> I was right: she wanted sex. Who was I to deny a damsel in distress?
>
> Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it. Go ahead,
> folks, field test this. You'll see how powerful it is when you do it right.
>
> I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but it's too edgy
> for general consumption, and will get you thrown out of the club about 20
> percent of the time (and laid the other 80 percent). Perhaps in a few
> years...
I find your comments to be unlikely at a minimum and more likely
impossible. Strippers see the customers as marks and generally do not
like them.
** "[Y]ou can again go fuck yourself. I am too polite to get into
detail about what I think is wrong with someone like you."
- Ray Gordon, March 16, 2003
http://groups.google.com/groups?&selm=20030316063856...@mb-bj.aol.com
http://tinyurl.com/nhof
Vince Runza
Cute!
K
> think that's a very sensible attitude for you to have. No, really!
>Vince
Are you referring to my skepticism of blanket statements, or my cold
financial assessment of the costs and benefits, which?
Neither - your comment regarding my ASCII figurine~!
Vince
--
8===Ð
Ray Gordon
>> customers.
>
> Do you have a reading problem? Seriously? I said I never slept with a
> customer at the club. I never said that it never happened. Did you miss
> an important grade in school in which the meanings of "I", "me", "we"
> and "they" were explained? (I notice that you habitually refer to
> yourself and your opinions in the plural, as if you spoke for others.
> Do you know how odd that is?)
A few grades after your education stopped (let's say junior high), they
taught us about RELEVANCE. Actually, if I recall correctly, you did say
that it was b/s that a customer would get laid, and you injected other
dancers into the equation....when it suited that argument.
Even if you had fucked customers, you wouldn't admit it, so what's the point
of denying it?
> It is generally recognized that trying to talk with you is futile.
Recognized by women who realize I'm immune to their propaganda, perhaps.
>You
> only substantiate this belief by misconstruing the import of what
> others write. I believe you do it on purpose.
Awww, I hit a nerve....
kate
It's rather...Homeric!
;)
K
kate
fuck
>>> customers.
>> Do you have a reading problem? Seriously? I said I never slept
with a
>> customer at the club. I never said that it never happened. Did you
miss
>> an important grade in school in which the meanings of "I", "me",
"we"
>> and "they" were explained? (I notice that you habitually refer to
>> yourself and your opinions in the plural, as if you spoke for
others.
>> Do you know how odd that is?)
>A few grades after your education stopped (let's say junior high),
they
>taught us about RELEVANCE. Actually, if I recall correctly, you did
say
>that it was b/s that a customer would get laid, and you injected
other
>dancers into the equation....when it suited that argument.
What is the "relevance" in assuming that you are part of a body of
opinion when in fact you speak only for yourself?
I think, generally, that it is BS to promote the idea that a client
will get lucky with one of the dancers. And I think your methods are
definately doomed to failure.
>Even if you had fucked customers, you wouldn't admit it, so what's
the point
>of denying it?
That isn't even a credible response on your part.
>> It is generally recognized that trying to talk with you is futile.
>Recognized by women who realize I'm immune to their propaganda,
perhaps.
Actually, it appears that women don't even bother to respond to you any
more and that your detractors are almost exclusively male.
>>You
>> only substantiate this belief by misconstruing the import of what
>> others write. I believe you do it on purpose.
>Awww, I hit a nerve....
You flatter yourself Ray. You haven't enough credibility to hit any of
my nerves.
K
JJT
>Recognized by women who realize I'm immune to their propaganda, perhaps.
------ Gordon Roy Parker threatening children, the sick and elderly --------
>>Subject: Re: May Lissa's Mom DIE PAINFULLY ANDROT IN HELL****
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:13:02 -0600
>>From: ray...@hotmail.com
>>Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
>>Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> ****Disclaimer: I was discriminated against on the basis of
>>gender today and told point-blank that this was the reason. Having been
>>taunted by the WHOREDENS and by Lissa over this, I consider it only fair
>>to return similar sentiments. When I get a full apology from Lissa, and
>>from Dave, and his website and RayFAQ go down, I will CONSIDER changing
>>my attitude.
>> Ray, first of all STOP CURSING, KIDS READ THIS TOO!! Dave, lol!
>>HA HAHA! dang! oh shit! maaaaaan...! lol! hmmmaaaa! Ray's gonna sue you!
>>looool!!!! [laughing] shit.... hire me as your lawyer. he he ha ha ha...
>>loooll
>> <----Stop Cursing? FUCK YOU. FUCK GYMNAST WHORES TOO. They
>>know DAMN well what goes on and what harmed me and they LAUGH at it.
>>May they all do a GOMEZ on vault and have the ambulance do a GRIVICH on
>>the way to the hospital if they are going to laugh at my career road
>>blocks, sexual road blocks that they CLAIM to disapprove of...except
>>when they need a job, so then it's okay to show a little ass, as long as
>>the boss doesn't try to touch that ass. FUCK THEM. They're moral
>>GARBAGE! They know it too; that's why they can't stand hearing it; if
>>it weren't true they wouldn't care. They're good for ONE THING and ONE
>>THING only, and they know that too. If they want me to be nice to them,
>>let them undo a few years of damage and apologize for THEIR attitudes.
>>They bring this shit on themselves with their arrogance. Spoiled BRATS.
>> You think my suing Dave and Dominique is a joke? Keep laughing.
>>Please. I'd love it if you did. You want to be Dave's lawyer? Go right
>>ahead. You punks think this is playtime; you're in for an awfully rude
>>shock. I gave fair warning. Dave(and Dominique through Dave) said "Go
>>for it." I will. I'll go for every last ounce of gold that resides in
>>both their scumbag pockets.
>> See, I was being a NICE GUY about this before. I decided not to
>>be NICE anymore. I get really FUCKING PISSED OFFwhen people mock my
>>pain, enough to where I start focusing my energy on THEIR pain. Lissa's
>>pain. The pain of watching her mother die the same death my secretarial
>>career died. Yes, that death. I know what it's like to watch something
>>you love die. Watching my father die right in front of my eyes at age
>>12 wasn't as painful as watching women get sexually harassed by their
>>bosses, but that was nothing compared to the pain of seeing women mock
>>the issue, like it were okay, like they couldn't have the courage to do
>>the right thing.
>> Lissa, watch your mom fade away and think of mycareer, and then
>>think of the fact that I can revive my career. Noone will be able to
>>revive your mom. No one. She's DYING, and she's DYING slowly. Does she
>>even remember your name anymore? I don't think so.....you think Dave's
>>such a nice guy? I don't. Hedoes that page for you, Missy, Dominique,
>>and all those wonderful girls who worship him. You think he's going to
>>get away with it? He's not. If you want to see God's punishment for your
>>treatment of me, watch it in your mom.
>> My last spell went to Jaycie's knees. She still competing?
>>Nope. The next one goes to Lissa's mom. Note her condition today and
>>see how she progresses from here. Don't mess with a psychic. After
>>this one is done I'll start REALLY wishing for some Gomez action on the
>>vault, and I'll start naming names and focusing ALL of my psychic energy
>>on it.
Johannes Seppi
>>> ooops! Just one post ago she was talking about how they don't fuck
>>> customers.
>>
>> Do you have a reading problem? Seriously? I said I never slept with a
>> customer at the club. I never said that it never happened. Did you miss
>> an important grade in school in which the meanings of "I", "me", "we"
>> and "they" were explained? (I notice that you habitually refer to
>> yourself and your opinions in the plural, as if you spoke for others.
>> Do you know how odd that is?)
>
> A few grades after your education stopped (let's say junior high), they
> taught us about RELEVANCE. Actually, if I recall correctly, you did say
> that it was b/s that a customer would get laid, and you injected other
> dancers into the equation....when it suited that argument.
>
Is that how you read her post? Maybe the classes you took were about
creative reading?
And what about referring to yourself in the plural? You really do that a
lot, don't you know?
> Even if you had fucked customers, you wouldn't admit it, so what's the
> point of denying it?
>
She would have no reason to deny it. Does anyone her know her personally?
Calling statements which don't suit your agenda lies semms to be another
one of your habits.
>
>> It is generally recognized that trying to talk with you is futile.
>
> Recognized by women who realize I'm immune to their propaganda, perhaps.
>
A try at a witty comeback or do you honestly think that? People don't
exactly rush in to support your opinions.
>>You
>> only substantiate this belief by misconstruing the import of what
>> others write. I believe you do it on purpose.
>
> Awww, I hit a nerve....
Sorry you hit a nerve, hopefully it won't take long to heal...
Johannes
Trianna
"method" in action.
(For those who haven't been following: Mr. Parker's methods, as he
describes them here, would never lead to an actual sexual encounter.
They appear to consist entirely of his fantasies of insulting people,
then preening himself on how he "showed them".
If you think that this would, in practice, be indistinguishable from
the random rantings and insults of deranged homeless people, I agree.
NB: The person using the pseudonym "Ray Gordon" should not be confused
with Ray Gordon, the noted British author of erotica, nor with Ray
Gordon, the New York photographer with a high-profile clientele. My
guess is that the real-life Ray Gordons actually get some every now and
then.
To find out more about the **actual** public figures who are
**actually** named Ray Gordon, check their websites:
http://www.raygordonbooks.co.uk (Not safe for work!)
http://www.raygordon.com )
Ray Gordon
That's a convicted heroin trafficker you are smiling at. Then again, you're
an ex-stripper, or so you say.
Ray Gordon
they
>taught us about RELEVANCE. Actually, if I recall correctly, you did
say
>that it was b/s that a customer would get laid, and you injected
other
>dancers into the equation....when it suited that argument.
>What is the "relevance" in assuming that you are part >of a body of opinion
>when in fact you speak only for >yourself?
Tell that to the rest of "the group" that uses that argument.
>I think, generally, that it is BS to promote the idea >that a client will
>get lucky with one of the dancers. >And I think your methods are definately
>doomed to >failure.
Wow, you can't even spell "definately."
You wouldn't know what would fail unless you also know what works. What, in
your opinion, works at getting a stripper you meet at her club into bed?
Since we know it happens, the only question is how.
>>Even if you had fucked customers, you wouldn't admit it, so what's
the point
>>of denying it?
>That isn't even a credible response on your part.
Sure it is. It's saying that you're trying to have a discussion in a place
where virtually every guy believes you'd lie through your teeth if it suited
you. Do you even read what these guys post? I did notice you seemed to
take a liking to the convicted heroin trafficker of the group; not
surprising.
>> It is generally recognized that trying to talk with you is futile.
>Recognized by women who realize I'm immune to >their propaganda, perhaps.
>Actually, it appears that women don't even bother >to respond to you any
>more and that your >detractors are almost exclusively male.
My detractors are mostly business competitors or do you even understand that
motivation? My students are busy getting laid and since this part of their
life is SOLVED, they don't need to hang around any "community."
>>You
>> only substantiate this belief by misconstruing the import of what
>> others write. I believe you do it on purpose.
>Awww, I hit a nerve....
>You flatter yourself Ray. You haven't enough > credibility to hit any of my
>nerves.
I have credibility with the men who use my ideas to get laid, and that's a
good number of men. As the men here already know, women never give good
advice to men. You haven't given a single idea to a man on how to score at
a strip club yet you were a stripper! Either you are too stupid to figure
out how the guys did it (and therefore an easy mark for the right method),
or you know full well how it's done and want to deny it to protect your
"sisters."
In the final analysis, whichever advice gets the guy laid is what he is
going to trust. You are competing with advice that actually works, and all
that means is that your advice must work as well. Feel free to share some
anytime.
--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html
Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating
affiliated books!
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
The Seduction Library. Four free books to get you started on your quest to
get laid.
Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.
Skin...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>>A few grades after your education stopped (let's say junior high),
>they
>>taught us about RELEVANCE. Actually, if I recall correctly, you did
>say
>>that it was b/s that a customer would get laid, and you injected
>other
>>dancers into the equation....when it suited that argument.
>
>>What is the "relevance" in assuming that you are part >of a body of opinion
>>when in fact you speak only for >yourself?
>
>Tell that to the rest of "the group" that uses that argument.
>
>
>>I think, generally, that it is BS to promote the idea >that a client will
>>get lucky with one of the dancers. >And I think your methods are definately
>>doomed to >failure.
>
>Wow, you can't even spell "definately."
>
>You wouldn't know what would fail unless you also know what works. What, in
>your opinion, works at getting a stripper you meet at her club into bed?
>Since we know it happens, the only question is how.
>
I am going to disagree with you again Mr Gordon. I have, as I have
stated before, spent a good deal of time in clubs and around people in
that business. I think I can tell you what doesn't work. Specifically,
your arrogance doesn't work for much of anything pal. That is going to
shine through first and foremost!
You are condescending, contrite and totally our of touch with reality.
You are insulting in that you think people are going to fall for your
contentions just because "TOU" say sop.
>
>>>Even if you had fucked customers, you wouldn't admit it, so what's
>the point
>>>of denying it?
>
>>That isn't even a credible response on your part.
>
>Sure it is. It's saying that you're trying to have a discussion in a place
>where virtually every guy believes you'd lie through your teeth if it suited
>you. Do you even read what these guys post? I did notice you seemed to
>take a liking to the convicted heroin trafficker of the group; not
>surprising.
>
>
>>> It is generally recognized that trying to talk with you is futile.
>>Recognized by women who realize I'm immune to >their propaganda, perhaps.
>
>>Actually, it appears that women don't even bother >to respond to you any
>>more and that your >detractors are almost exclusively male.
>
>My detractors are mostly business competitors or do you even understand that
>motivation? My students are busy getting laid and since this part of their
>life is SOLVED, they don't need to hang around any "community."
>
Excuse me. I am not compeating with you for anything. And just WHAT
business are you talking about here?
By the way. As a non-compeatator of yours... you have totally
overlooked anything I have said..... so tell me this. Why would *I* be
a detractor oif yours then? Could it be that I know the truth and see
the out and out fantasy in your statements?
Maybe you don't want to respond to me because you see that I really DO
know the truth and that is something you just cannot face isn't it?
>
>>>You
>>> only substantiate this belief by misconstruing the import of what
>>> others write. I believe you do it on purpose.
>
>>Awww, I hit a nerve....
>
>>You flatter yourself Ray. You haven't enough > credibility to hit any of my
>>nerves.
>
>I have credibility with the men who use my ideas to get laid, and that's a
>good number of men. As the men here already know, women never give good
>advice to men. You haven't given a single idea to a man on how to score at
>a strip club yet you were a stripper! Either you are too stupid to figure
>out how the guys did it (and therefore an easy mark for the right method),
>or you know full well how it's done and want to deny it to protect your
>"sisters."
>
>In the final analysis, whichever advice gets the guy laid is what he is
>going to trust. You are competing with advice that actually works, and all
>that means is that your advice must work as well. Feel free to share some
>anytime.
OK. Give us a list. You can make it as long as you want but I will
settle for three. just THREE men who will back up your methods!
Come on now..... you can find three guys that have used your methods
to get lucky can't you??
Can I get a show of hands here?????
aardvark9084
"Ray Gordon" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:aEmMd.70902$Yh2.25...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Kate:
>
> That's a convicted heroin trafficker you are smiling at. Then again,
you're
> an ex-stripper, or so you say.
and everyone here respects him about a billion times more than they do you,
ray, you sniveling fathead. it must eat you alive knowing that.
hehehehehe...
before i forget...there's a telegram for you. it says...
"shut up, stupid."
aardvark
JJT
kate
Ray Gordon wrote:
> Kate:
>
> That's a convicted heroin trafficker you are smiling at. Then again,
you're
> an ex-stripper, or so you say.
It was a job, like many another. You write about supposedly seducing
strippers, then you turn around and disparage the profession? How
inconsistent of you. Why would you desire to sleep with someone you
consider corrupt and inferior? I wouldn't do that.
As for Vince's past; is he a heroine trafficker now?
K
Johannes Seppi
>>A few grades after your education stopped (let's say junior high),
> they
>>taught us about RELEVANCE. Actually, if I recall correctly, you did
> say
>>that it was b/s that a customer would get laid, and you injected
> other
>>dancers into the equation....when it suited that argument.
>
>>What is the "relevance" in assuming that you are part >of a body of
>>opinion when in fact you speak only for >yourself?
>
> Tell that to the rest of "the group" that uses that argument.
>
Who is the rest of the group? You are the only one who is referring to
himself as WE all the time.
>
>>I think, generally, that it is BS to promote the idea >that a client will
>>get lucky with one of the dancers. >And I think your methods are
>>definately doomed to >failure.
>
> Wow, you can't even spell "definately."
>
Wow, you spell it exactly like her, is that an extra dose of witticism?
> You wouldn't know what would fail unless you also know what works. What,
> in your opinion, works at getting a stripper you meet at her club into
> bed? Since we know it happens, the only question is how.
>
>
>>>Even if you had fucked customers, you wouldn't admit it, so what's
> the point
>>>of denying it?
>
>>That isn't even a credible response on your part.
>
> Sure it is. It's saying that you're trying to have a discussion in a
> place where virtually every guy believes you'd lie through your teeth if
> it suited
> you. Do you even read what these guys post? I did notice you seemed to
> take a liking to the convicted heroin trafficker of the group; not
> surprising.
>
Well, there is no reason she should not tell the truth. But I doubt your
veracity, "virtually every guy", you can't believe that
>
>>> It is generally recognized that trying to talk with you is futile.
>>Recognized by women who realize I'm immune to >their propaganda, perhaps.
>
>>Actually, it appears that women don't even bother >to respond to you any
>>more and that your >detractors are almost exclusively male.
>
> My detractors are mostly business competitors or do you even understand
> that
> motivation? My students are busy getting laid and since this part of
> their life is SOLVED, they don't need to hang around any "community."
>
And if nobody is looking, the moon is made of Cheddar cheese, red one at
that.
>
>>>You
>>> only substantiate this belief by misconstruing the import of what
>>> others write. I believe you do it on purpose.
>
>>Awww, I hit a nerve....
>
>>You flatter yourself Ray. You haven't enough > credibility to hit any of
>>my nerves.
>
> I have credibility with the men who use my ideas to get laid, and that's a
> good number of men.
That's hilarious... really, it is.
[...]
Johannes
mWarrior
>
>
> The mistake is to constantly attempt to make blanket statements that
> are true in every case. It almost screams "stupidity." There ARE
> narcissistic dancers, just as there are narcissistic posters who
> pretend to be experts on everything under the sun!
The OP was making a generalized statement about strippers and their
apparent susceptiblity to his seduction 'formula'. I was just responding
in kind. Naturally there are examples that disprove any generalized
claim. They generally don't prove useful in these discussions, though.
I will, however, admit to pretending to be an expert on everything. If I
really was an expert on the things I talk about, I wouldn't be wasting
that advice on the likes of usenet. I would be getting paid for it.
Bernd Jendrissek
Hash: SHA1
In article <1107485875.9...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> kate
<kcour...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>As for Vince's past; is he a heroine trafficker now?
All of Ted Bundy's victims could have asked at the time he approached
them with his fake cast or crutches: "Is he killing or raping anyone
*now*?"
That's right, the past doesn't matter AT ALL. You're EVIL and
JUDGEMENTAL if you let the past influence your opinion of someone.
In fact, we should all be taking "Ray Gordon" seriously, because he made
those oh-so-terrible 9/11 and hope-you-die posts IN THE PAST.
- --
"years from now, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and quickly
change the subject" - lee
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> In article <1107485875.9...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> kate
> <kcour...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> As for Vince's past; is he a heroine trafficker now?
>
> All of Ted Bundy's victims could have asked at the time he approached
> them with his fake cast or crutches: "Is he killing or raping anyone
> *now*?"
That's a very poor analogy.
Ted Bundy was involved in on-going criminal activity. That's the idea behind
SERIAL killer.
Vince, as he has already explained, made a bad choice, got caught and did
his time.
>
> That's right, the past doesn't matter AT ALL. You're EVIL and
> JUDGEMENTAL if you let the past influence your opinion of someone.
That seems to be black-and-white thinking.
The past matters but not always to the extent you'd like it to.
Are you incapable of making INDIVIDUAL judgments about INDIVIDUAL
situations?
>
> In fact, we should all be taking "Ray Gordon" seriously, because he made
> those oh-so-terrible 9/11 and hope-you-die posts IN THE PAST.
>
The only one taking Gordon seriously is Gordon.
Did you and he have the same logic teacher?
Ray Gordon
>>
>>You wouldn't know what would fail unless you also know what works. What,
>>in
>>your opinion, works at getting a stripper you meet at her club into bed?
>>Since we know it happens, the only question is how.
>>
>
> I am going to disagree with you again Mr Gordon. I have, as I have
> stated before, spent a good deal of time in clubs and around people in
> that business. I think I can tell you what doesn't work.
Which would mean that you can tell everyone what you believe *does* work.
We know that *something* works, so someone as knowledgeable as you should be
able to tell us what that is.
>Specifically,
> your arrogance doesn't work for much of anything pal. That is going to
> shine through first and foremost!
Now you sound like a female.
> You are condescending, contrite and totally our of touch with reality.
> You are insulting in that you think people are going to fall for your
> contentions just because "TOU" say sop.
I give people stuff they can use themselves. They don't have to take my
word for it.
> By the way. As a non-compeatator of yours...
>you have totally
> overlooked anything I have said..... so tell me this. Why would *I* be
> a detractor oif yours then? Could it be that I know the truth and see
> the out and out fantasy in your statements?
What truth is it you know? You say you know strip clubs well, we all know
that guys lay strippers they meet in their clubs, so all that's left is for
you to explain how that process works.
> Maybe you don't want to respond to me because you see that I really DO
> know the truth and that is something you just cannot face isn't it?
What truth is that? You haven't shed a single light bulb on what you think
works at a strip club for a customer.
>>In the final analysis, whichever advice gets the guy laid is what he is
>>going to trust. You are competing with advice that actually works, and
>>all
>>that means is that your advice must work as well. Feel free to share some
>>anytime.
>
> OK. Give us a list. You can make it as long as you want but I will
> settle for three. just THREE men who will back up your methods!
Read for content: I was asking "Kate" what "her" methods were that would
work for guys going to strip clubs.
Same offer to you: you say you know the scene so well, you should have no
difficulty explaining what works.
> Come on now..... you can find three guys that have used your methods
> to get lucky can't you??
I can find three competitors who have stolen my methods directly, almost
verbatim, which is actually a higher level of proof.
> Can I get a show of hands here?????
One more time: you know the strip club scene so well, that you should be
able to explain to the men here what works in a strip club or what would
work for them.
You haven't offered a single bit of advice. Begin anytime.
Ray Gordon
>
> That's a convicted heroin trafficker you are smiling at. Then again,
you're
> an ex-stripper, or so you say.
>>It was a job, like many another. You write about supposedly seducing
strippers, then you turn around and disparage the profession? How
inconsistent of you. Why would you desire to sleep with someone you
consider corrupt and inferior?>>
What does a sexual judgment have to do with a moral one again?
>>I wouldn't do that.
As for Vince's past; is he a heroine trafficker now?>>
You're no heroine, so no, I'd say he's not.
So in other words, if a guy is useful to you in a flamewar you'll overlook
the fact that he's a convicted heroin trafficker. Since his parole isn't up
for a few more years (he supposedly got a lighter sentence for
"cooperating"), that's hardly his "past."
I forgot: strip clubs used to give awards to snitches.
Johannes Seppi
[...]
Skinner said:
>> Come on now..... you can find three guys that have used your methods
>> to get lucky can't you??
>
> I can find three competitors who have stolen my methods directly, almost
> verbatim, which is actually a higher level of proof.
>
time name those three competitors?
You know, it is about that "credibility" word.
Johannes
kate
Ray Gordon wrote:
> >A few grades after your education stopped (let's say junior high),
> they
> >taught us about RELEVANCE. Actually, if I recall correctly, you
did
> say
> >that it was b/s that a customer would get laid, and you injected
> other
> >dancers into the equation....when it suited that argument.
>
> >What is the "relevance" in assuming that you are part >of a body of
opinion
> >when in fact you speak only for >yourself?
>
> Tell that to the rest of "the group" that uses that argument.
The rest of what group? This group? What do you want me to tell all
these guys who seem to have nothing but contempt for your ideas?
> >I think, generally, that it is BS to promote the idea >that a client
will
> >get lucky with one of the dancers. >And I think your methods are
definately
> >doomed to >failure.
>
> Wow, you can't even spell "definately."
How desperate can you be to resort to spelling flames?
> You wouldn't know what would fail unless you also know what works.
What, in
> your opinion, works at getting a stripper you meet at her club into
bed?
> Since we know it happens, the only question is how.
Don't you imagine that would depend upon the individual dancer? You're
the one pretending to be a "guru" of seduction - but it seems all your
methods are doomed to failure to me.
> >>Even if you had fucked customers, you wouldn't admit it, so
what's
> the point
> >>of denying it?
>
> >That isn't even a credible response on your part.
>
> Sure it is. It's saying that you're trying to have a discussion in a
place
> where virtually every guy believes you'd lie through your teeth if it
suited
> you. Do you even read what these guys post? I did notice you seemed
to
> take a liking to the convicted heroin trafficker of the group; not
> surprising.
No one has called me a liar but you. And you've called me a liar
because I, like everyone else here, disagrees with you. As for Mr.
Runza, I don't know him from Adam.
> >> It is generally recognized that trying to talk with you is
futile.
> >Recognized by women who realize I'm immune to >their propaganda,
perhaps.
>
> >Actually, it appears that women don't even bother >to respond to you
any
> >more and that your >detractors are almost exclusively male.
>
> My detractors are mostly business competitors or do you even
understand that
> motivation?
So you allege. But I see no indication that you actually own a viable
business of any sort.
> My students are busy getting laid and since this part of their
> life is SOLVED, they don't need to hang around any "community."
So you allege.
> >>You
> >> only substantiate this belief by misconstruing the import of
what
> >> others write. I believe you do it on purpose.
>
> >Awww, I hit a nerve....
>
> >You flatter yourself Ray. You haven't enough > credibility to hit
any of my
> >nerves.
>
> I have credibility with the men who use my ideas to get laid, and
that's a
> good number of men.
I've seen no evidence of that.
> As the men here already know, women never give good
> advice to men.
Speaking for others again?
>You haven't given a single idea to a man on how to score at
> a strip club yet you were a stripper!
I don't pretend to be a seduction guru. It is my observation however,
as another poster pointed out, that it would be easier to "score" at a
church social. Strip clubs are about fantasy not reality.
> Either you are too stupid to figure
> out how the guys did it (and therefore an easy mark for the right
method),
> or you know full well how it's done and want to deny it to protect
your
> "sisters."
My sister wasn't a stripper. I have no interest in protecting anyone
else. The very few women that I knew who dated clients were looking for
rich guys to marry. One apparently found a rich guy and they got
married. But I didn't know her too well and my information is second
hand.
I'll tell you what is "stupid" Mr.Gordon, pretending that you have some
kind of method that is going to work well in seducing women in strip
clubs, women who have heard every line in the book and are on their
guard. In the better clubs, you can't even get that close to the girls.
Club owners are often so worried about losing their licenses that they
often strongly discourage dating clients.
> In the final analysis, whichever advice gets the guy laid is what he
is
> going to trust. You are competing with advice that actually works,
and all
> that means is that your advice must work as well. Feel free to share
some
> anytime.
>
> --
> Ray Gordon
As someone pointed out earlier, the best place to meet a dancer and
have a chance at making a connection and hooking up is in the places
that the dancers frequent after work, not in the club. A lot of the
girls I used to work with went to a little C&W honky tonk after work
and I went occasionally too. I usually went directly to my apartment
after work, except on weekends. My favorite hangout was a French-style
cafe/coffee shop. People I met there thought, at first glance, that I
was just another college student.
Kate
kate
><kcourte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>As for Vince's past; is he a heroine trafficker now?
>All of Ted Bundy's victims could have asked at the time he >approached
>them with his fake cast or crutches: "Is he killing or raping anyone
>*now*?"
Isn't that rather an exaggerated comparison?
>That's right, the past doesn't matter AT ALL. You're EVIL and
>JUDGEMENTAL if you let the past influence your opinion of someone.
No, actually the past is important. (Including someone's past posting
history.) My casual online agreement with Mr.Runza doesn't indicate
anything more than it is.
>In fact, we should all be taking "Ray Gordon" seriously, because he
>made
>those oh-so-terrible 9/11 and hope-you-die posts IN THE PAST.
I will have to research those sometime. But I don't care to bother with
it now. His past opinions and statements about dancers, however,
indicate that he has little actual experience with the things he is
advising men to do.
Kate
usen...@hotmail.com
dignity.
e.c.g.
I hate this fucking thread.
:::::
Dick Cheney, President Bush and his father are flying on Air Force One.
Dick looks at Dubya, chuckles and says, "You know, I could throw a
$100.00 bill out the window right now and make one person very happy."
Dubya shrugs his shoulders and says, "Well, I could throw ten $10.00
bills out the window and make 10 people very happy." George Bush Senior
says, "Of course then, I could throw one-hundred $1.00 bills out the
window and make a hundred people very happy."
The pilot rolls her eyes, looks at all of them and says, "I could throw
all of you out the window and make the whole country happy."
e.c.g.
Riiiiight. Even if I was a coked out whore I wouldnt click a link titled
'urine-pimp'.
JJT
>>- Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon) on 9/11 :
>>"There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Not
>>a one."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"This attack happened in my HOMETOWN, a hometown I do not
>>live in or work in because of illegal behavior. I hope those
>>who swiped my ability to live there enjoy the message they got from GOD
>>today.........."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"In that building existed little more than a bunch of companies
>>which hire "office whores" and the like. I have no sympathy for
>>employment discriminators, and if someone had to die in this attack, I
>>couldn't think of a better group of people for the terrorists to pick."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
JJT
Skin...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>>>Wow, you can't even spell "definately."
>>>
>>>You wouldn't know what would fail unless you also know what works. What,
>>>in
>>>your opinion, works at getting a stripper you meet at her club into bed?
>>>Since we know it happens, the only question is how.
>>>
>>
>> I am going to disagree with you again Mr Gordon. I have, as I have
>> stated before, spent a good deal of time in clubs and around people in
>> that business. I think I can tell you what doesn't work.
>
>Which would mean that you can tell everyone what you believe *does* work.
>We know that *something* works, so someone as knowledgeable as you should be
>able to tell us what that is.
>
Difference is my friend.... *I* didn't stand up all smug and
condescending and scting like an expert and spout off a bunch of
pretentious bull. *I* am not the one that has to prove himself here.
So far I have not seen ONE person back up your claims. So bring on
your witnesses and your testimonials. Let's see what you got!
>>Specifically,
>> your arrogance doesn't work for much of anything pal. That is going to
>> shine through first and foremost!
>
>Now you sound like a female.
>
>
>> You are condescending, contrite and totally our of touch with reality.
>> You are insulting in that you think people are going to fall for your
>> contentions just because "TOU" say sop.
>
>I give people stuff they can use themselves. They don't have to take my
>word for it.
>
>
>> By the way. As a non-compeatator of yours...
>>you have totally
>> overlooked anything I have said..... so tell me this. Why would *I* be
>> a detractor oif yours then? Could it be that I know the truth and see
>> the out and out fantasy in your statements?
>
>What truth is it you know? You say you know strip clubs well, we all know
>that guys lay strippers they meet in their clubs, so all that's left is for
>you to explain how that process works.
>
No we do not. We have YOUR word for it. Please poardon me if that
doesn't carry a lot of weight around here.
>
>> Maybe you don't want to respond to me because you see that I really DO
>> know the truth and that is something you just cannot face isn't it?
>
>What truth is that? You haven't shed a single light bulb on what you think
>works at a strip club for a customer.
>
I told you. In a strip club the only thing that works is you shell out
your cash and go home frustrated!
>
>>>In the final analysis, whichever advice gets the guy laid is what he is
>>>going to trust. You are competing with advice that actually works, and
>>>all
>>>that means is that your advice must work as well. Feel free to share some
>>>anytime.
>>
>> OK. Give us a list. You can make it as long as you want but I will
>> settle for three. just THREE men who will back up your methods!
>
>Read for content: I was asking "Kate" what "her" methods were that would
>work for guys going to strip clubs.
>
>Same offer to you: you say you know the scene so well, you should have no
>difficulty explaining what works.
>
You are a broken record aren't you?
What works is NOT going into a strip club looking to get laid!
>
>> Come on now..... you can find three guys that have used your methods
>> to get lucky can't you??
>
>I can find three competitors who have stolen my methods directly, almost
>verbatim, which is actually a higher level of proof.
>
Competitors? What the hell are you talking about Competitors? You
sound like you are running some sort of business here??
>
>> Can I get a show of hands here?????
>
>One more time: you know the strip club scene so well, that you should be
>able to explain to the men here what works in a strip club or what would
>work for them.
>
>You haven't offered a single bit of advice. Begin anytime.
Yes. I offered the same bit of advise at every step.... Sometimes you
have to read between the lines to pick it up though.....
so here it is guys......
you wanna get laid? you REALLY wanna get laid.......
then DON'T GO TO A STRIP CLUB LOOKING OT GET LAID.
You'll come home disapointed.
And I'll put *MY* next paycheck against YOUR next paycheck on that one
My Ray Gordon!
Skin...@hotmail.com
>
>I hate this fucking thread.
>
>:::::
>
It is getting a bit tedious isn't it?
Ray Gordon
>
>>
>>I hate this fucking thread.
>>
>>:::::
>>
>
> It is getting a bit tedious isn't it?
Tedious being someone asking you to put all that knowledge you claim to have
about strip clubs into some practical advice for the man who goes there?
Ray Gordon
>>>>
>>>>You wouldn't know what would fail unless you also know what works.
>>>>What,
>>>>in
>>>>your opinion, works at getting a stripper you meet at her club into bed?
>>>>Since we know it happens, the only question is how.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am going to disagree with you again Mr Gordon. I have, as I have
>>> stated before, spent a good deal of time in clubs and around people in
>>> that business. I think I can tell you what doesn't work.
>>
>>Which would mean that you can tell everyone what you believe *does* work.
>>We know that *something* works, so someone as knowledgeable as you should
>>be
>>able to tell us what that is.
>>
>
> Difference is my friend.... *I* didn't stand up all smug and
> condescending and scting like an expert and spout off a bunch of
> pretentious bull.
>*I* am not the one that has to prove himself here.
*YOU* are the one who stood up here and claimed to know what works or does
not work in strip clubs. I called you on your b/s and you of course
couldn't provide a single piece of advice.
Perhaps you don't know as much as you claim.
> So far I have not seen ONE person back up your claims. So bring on
> your witnesses and your testimonials. Let's see what you got!
Gee, I wonder if anyone reading this might think that it's easy to sway
people with "social proof." Good thing they wouldn't manufacture that type
of support to fool someone as easily fooled as you.
Back to the topic: since you know so much about strip clubs, why not tell
the men here what works in them?
>>> By the way. As a non-compeatator of yours...
>>>you have totally
>>> overlooked anything I have said..... so tell me this. Why would *I* be
>>> a detractor oif yours then? Could it be that I know the truth and see
>>> the out and out fantasy in your statements?
>>
>>What truth is it you know? You say you know strip clubs well, we all know
>>that guys lay strippers they meet in their clubs, so all that's left is
>>for
>>you to explain how that process works.
>>
>
> No we do not. We have YOUR word for it. Please poardon me if that
> doesn't carry a lot of weight around here.
Are you calling every major seduction guru a liar now? Once you say it
doesn't happen, you lose credibility with those who make it happen.
>>> Maybe you don't want to respond to me because you see that I really DO
>>> know the truth and that is something you just cannot face isn't it?
>>
>>What truth is that? You haven't shed a single light bulb on what you
>>think
>>works at a strip club for a customer.
>>
>
> I told you. In a strip club the only thing that works is you shell out
> your cash and go home frustrated!
So you believe you are more credible on this than say MYSTERY, who just had
an article done about him in ELLE, and who has claimed I think it was eight
lays of strippers he met in clubs, without his having to spend a lot of
money on them?
Now you're just saying that you don't believe it's possible, and in doing
so, you are arguing against not only me but many other men who have shown
that it is.
>>>>In the final analysis, whichever advice gets the guy laid is what he is
>>>>going to trust. You are competing with advice that actually works, and
>>>>all
>>>>that means is that your advice must work as well. Feel free to share
>>>>some
>>>>anytime.
>>>
>>> OK. Give us a list. You can make it as long as you want but I will
>>> settle for three. just THREE men who will back up your methods!
>>
>>Read for content: I was asking "Kate" what "her" methods were that would
>>work for guys going to strip clubs.
>>
>>Same offer to you: you say you know the scene so well, you should have no
>>difficulty explaining what works.
>>
>
> You are a broken record aren't you?
>
> What works is NOT going into a strip club looking to get laid!
Why don't you have this debate with Mystery and see who wins? You're into
social proof? He's the most socially proofed guru on the net and he says
strippers are easy to game in their clubs.
>>> Come on now..... you can find three guys that have used your methods
>>> to get lucky can't you??
>>
>>I can find three competitors who have stolen my methods directly, almost
>>verbatim, which is actually a higher level of proof.
>>
>
> Competitors? What the hell are you talking about Competitors? You
> sound like you are running some sort of business here??
Gee, are you trying to give the public the impression you have no clue of
any business interests of those in this group?
>>> Can I get a show of hands here?????
>>
>>One more time: you know the strip club scene so well, that you should be
>>able to explain to the men here what works in a strip club or what would
>>work for them.
>>
>>You haven't offered a single bit of advice. Begin anytime.
>
> Yes. I offered the same bit of advise at every step.... Sometimes you
> have to read between the lines to pick it up though.....
>
> so here it is guys......
>
> you wanna get laid? you REALLY wanna get laid.......
>
> then DON'T GO TO A STRIP CLUB LOOKING OT GET LAID.
>
> You'll come home disapointed.
Truth comes out: he has no advice and just doesn't believe anything will
work for anyone because it didn't work for HIM.
Yet those men who DO pick up the strippers from the clubs would disagree.
> And I'll put *MY* next paycheck against YOUR next paycheck on that one
> My Ray Gordon!
Since you're attacking all men who believe strippers can be gamed, why not
go challenge Mystery? He'd laugh in your face if you told him it wasn't
possible.