In my experience, on those occasions when I've behaved like a complete
Neanderthal, the women I was with couldn't get enough of me. I had to
dodge their phone calls and one actually would sit in fr
ont of my house waiting for me to come home. The more I chased them
away, the more they clung to me.
When, however, I acted myself (nice guy), I never could get past the
second date.
I am considering a compromise ... to behave like a Cro Magnon.
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Look I am sick of this thread here is my stance, it's the women period.
If all women knew is that they have been treated like dogshit then they
act this way, they do not know what is it like to be treated respectfully.
Yeah I know the "challenge" or the game, but is it really a game when you
think the guy is all that but you wind up with a busted cheekbone or the
girls is a complete slut.
I am not mad nor have been burned, it's the women you deal with, my rule
is this, they will get treated RESPECTFULLY..not nice RESPECTFULLY if they
find that too diffifcult or would have much more fun bithcing about how
their man is this and that.. there is the door, don't let it hit your butt
on the way out. Look at the omens behaviour and actions, never mind thsi
"Iwanna be respected, treated right" I f the ACTIONS are like of utter
malice and disrespectful to you...RUN.
Thsi only applies if the women respect you in return, for me, I f they do
not show any respect to me, let them know, if it happens again..BUH BYE
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Carleton University
"It starts with the right attitude!!"
Email address: hjo...@chat.carleton.ca
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>I find it interesting the old argument that women only like jerks and
>not nice guys. Well, admit it or not, it is true.
[Snip, including massive .sig file]
OK, OK; you all win.
--Lauren, really and truly looking for another cheap provider this
time
_____________________________________________________
Lauren Crawford Holmes lho...@ix.netcom.com
>>
> I do think it is highly dependent on what sauce you dip them in.
>
> From what I have heard, jerks are better with hot mustard, barbeque, and
>sweet-and-sour, while nice guys are better with nacho cheese, teriyaki,
>and sour cream and onion.
>
> Just thought I'd see if anyone had any experience with how they are
>when marinated and/or breaded...
>
Last one I had was marinated- well, pickled to be more accurate. Not the
best experience one could hope for :(
However, Mr. Cheney, those breaded ones are mmm mmmmmm!! finger licking
good!!! ... at least I *hope* it was the finger I was licking ;)
--
It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
-walt disney
>I find it interesting the old argument that women only like jerks and
>not nice guys. Well, admit it or not, it is true.
>
I do think it is highly dependent on what sauce you dip them in.
From what I have heard, jerks are better with hot mustard, barbeque, and
sweet-and-sour, while nice guys are better with nacho cheese, teriyaki,
and sour cream and onion.
Just thought I'd see if anyone had any experience with how they are
when marinated and/or breaded...
----Warren (just trying to introduce a new dimension to an old thread...)
--
" I think adulthood is a tendency, not a fixed achievement!"
---Cynthia M. Van Ness
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Tangent - do you think they've been overhunting the Nice Guys and Jerks in
recent years? I mean, if they didn't thin the herds, the NG's would run rampant
and quickly overpopulate the region, causing a resource problem and damaging the
environment. The Jerks would do a pretty good job of self annihilation. But I
don't know who is right - the folks who argue that we must thin the herds, or
the anti-hunting contigent.
Last night was Jerk Beefy. It was spectacular.
- heck
< what, you thought I'd miss this thread? Hah! I say, hah! >
Angie, you're married to Warren? Then you and I are also married too!
(In fact, Warren, wasn't I the first soc.sniggler to propose to you?)
><just today, even - e-husband #10!>
Argh, I've kinda lost track, I hate to admit (I'm emarried to
some folks in other newsgroups, also).
--
Debbie Schwartz d...@halcyon.com (Seattle, WA)
"That's why I'm not married - I'm devoting my life to being a
psychiatric patient. It's like being a nun, but more expensive."
-- Shelley Long in "The Cracker Factory"
>In article <DKwBK...@freenet.buffalo.edu>, bk...@freenet.buffalo.edu
>(Suzanne M. G. Lewis) wrote:
>> In a previous article, aw...@freenet.buffalo.edu (Warren Cheney) says:
>>
[responding to The Eternal Question of nice guys vs. jerks:]
>>> I do think it is highly dependent on what sauce you dip them in.
>>>
>>> From what I have heard, jerks are better with hot mustard, barbeque,
>>>and sweet-and-sour, while nice guys are better with nacho cheese,
>>>teriyaki, and sour cream and onion.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd see if anyone had any experience with how they are
>>>when marinated and/or breaded...
>>
>> Last one I had was marinated- well, pickled to be more accurate. Not
>>the best experience one could hope for :(
>>However, Mr. Cheney, those breaded ones are mmm mmmmmm!! finger licking
>>good!!! ... at least I *hope* it was the finger I was licking ;)
>Tangent - do you think they've been overhunting the Nice Guys and Jerks
>in recent years? I mean, if they didn't thin the herds, the NG's would
>run rampant and quickly overpopulate the region, causing a resource
>problem and damaging the environment. The Jerks would do a pretty good
>job of self annihilation. But I don't know who is right - the folks who
>argue that we must thin the herds, or the anti-hunting contigent.
New York's Department of Environmental Conservation has been doing a
good job in managing the nice guy population around here after there
were complaints of increasing nice guy populations at local malls, bars,
and other expected habitats. In my opinion, the "bait-and-shoot"
program did not meet expectations. Leaving copies of "Chicken Soup for
the Soul" on empty park benches for nice guys to linger over were usually
picked up by nice girls, and few of the designated shooters had doe
permits. A better success rate was accomplished by leaving poisoned
Ranch Doritos around the self-help sections of WaldenBooks outlets.
The question of self-extinction of the jerk population is somewhat
questionable due to the problem of the definition of the two extremes.
Investigators of this question have found that there have been cases
in which self-proclaimed nice guys were in fact jerks, a contention
somewhat supported by random DNA testing. Such protective camouflage,
while also seen in other species, was not too apparent until recently.
However, this question is only germane to those in the processing
and packaging industries, where FDA regulations stringently prohibit
the sale of packaged jerk product with no more than 5 percent of
nice guy content, and vice versa. With the end of the Cold War, there
has been an influx of Eastern European jerk and nice guy product which
has been added as filler to the standard product mix. While this has
been beneficial to those who have a tendency towards Jerk Stroganoff,
the traditional dishes such as pate a nice gai, or jerk a l'orange
heavily favored in French cuisine have suffered by the lack of
stringent product standards.
Population trends to this point are currently favoring the development
of innovative stir-fry dishes. The all-too common moo goo gai nice and
jerk lo mein are being supplanted by the Szechuan, Hunan and Cantonese
dishes such as jerk with garlic sauce, Hunan nice guy, and curry jerk
with onions.
>Last night was Jerk Beefy. It was spectacular.
Recipe?
>- heck
> < what, you thought I'd miss this thread? Hah! I say, hah! >
Could lead to some great boink dishes.
----Warren (or to reduced trips to certain waffle restaurants...)
> The nice thing about e-marriages is that with the link that is
>forged, there is the feeling inside that somewhere out there, no matter
>what goes on with one's own life, there is someone who is in agreement with
>a part of one's life. The sheer power of the warm fuzzies created by this
>is more than enough to get you through anything.
Hadn't thought of it that way before, but you're right.
>
> There's someone in wny.freenet.social.singles.qa who was investigating
>Amtrak runs to the West Coast, and found round trips to Seattle were
>running around $800. I was surprised to feel my heart leaping at the
>thought. There's a *lot* of people who I'd *love* to meet as a result
>of being here...
$800? That seems pretty high to me. Is that via California, or
straight to Seattle? Seems like airfare would be cheaper - last
time I looked, you could pick up a Seattle/NY roundtrip for
around $400..
Wow, another Juha!
>Dwayne Conyers (dwa...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: I find it interesting the old argument that women only like jerks and
>: not nice guys. Well, admit it or not, it is true.
>
>
>Bitches prefer jerks.
>BTW you can't hide the jerk's look in your eyes. Be yourself and
>you'll get the bitch you deserve.
Make that another Juha, with an attitude!
><ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Angela C. Lukach)> spake thusly:
>>Warren Cheney (aw...@freenet.buffalo.edu) writes:
>>> I do think it is highly dependent on what sauce you dip them in.
>>> From what I have heard, jerks are better with hot mustard, barbeque, and
>>> sweet-and-sour, while nice guys are better with nacho cheese, teriyaki,
>>> and sour cream and onion.
>>> Just thought I'd see if anyone had any experience with how they are
>>> when marinated and/or breaded...
>>
>>i'm so glad i married this man! :)
>>
>>angie
>
>Angie, you're married to Warren? Then you and I are also married too!
>(In fact, Warren, wasn't I the first soc.sniggler to propose to you?)
*blush* I was about to admit that you were the first, but then
upon reflection, I did get the first "marry me?" from Sheba as per a
post on suicide back in March. Of course, *that* story would make a good
sitcom ("you mean you said what and she said WHAT??")
I remember asking several people as a result of your proposal
what it actually *meant*...just so I wouldn't screw it up again.
The nice thing about e-marriages is that with the link that is
forged, there is the feeling inside that somewhere out there, no matter
what goes on with one's own life, there is someone who is in agreement with
a part of one's life. The sheer power of the warm fuzzies created by this
is more than enough to get you through anything.
>><just today, even - e-husband #10!>
>
>Argh, I've kinda lost track, I hate to admit (I'm emarried to
>some folks in other newsgroups, also).
There's someone in wny.freenet.social.singles.qa who was investigating
Amtrak runs to the West Coast, and found round trips to Seattle were
running around $800. I was surprised to feel my heart leaping at the
thought. There's a *lot* of people who I'd *love* to meet as a result
of being here...
----Warren (now if I can find out if Amtrak offers side trips to Memphis
and Huntsville for starters...)
So, what are the odds? And have the women been betting heavily in
favor of one or the other? Where will the contest take place and how
will a winner be established? Most inportantly, do we have the names
of the Nice Guy and the Jerk who will battle it out for the love of
all woman kind?
> There's someone in wny.freenet.social.singles.qa who was investigating
>Amtrak runs to the West Coast, and found round trips to Seattle were
>running around $800.
That's utterly ludicrous. You could take a plane for not much more than
1/2 that. Unless you're really into seeing the scenery (to the extent that
you can see it from a train) and spending time in transit, it doesn't seem
to make much sense to take the train at those rates.
Michael
This has been a test of the Emergency Orc Response System. This was only a
test. Had this been a real emergency, you would have each been given
detailed trolling instructions by your local affiliates.
Oooo, want me to? <SMACK> Bad Piglet, no biscuit!
Piglet
> lho...@ix.netcom.com (Twitch) writes:
>> dwa...@ix.netcom.com(Dwayne Conyers ) wrote:
>>>I find it interesting the old argument that women only like jerks and
>>>not nice guys. Well, admit it or not, it is true.
>
>>[Snip, including massive .sig file]
>
>>OK, OK; you all win.
>
>Twitch, I can't belieeeeeeve you said that. You let a couple little dweebie
>guys come in here and declare the NiceGuy whine as The Truth[tm]! We're
>going to have to take back your breasts or something equally as significant of
>kicking you out of the female camp. Geeeeeze. Must be all that snow getting
>to you.
We've only got a few inches, unfortunately.
Hint: "You all" refers to Francois and others who've sent me
not-so-subtle hints to get the heck off of Netcom's Netcruiser so they
can killfile it. It doesn't refer to the clueless hoardes quoted
above.
I'm not going to touch the breasts line. But you can have my false
eyelashes if you want. Only wore 'em once (and if I ever do get a Web
page, I'll probably include that picture).
> >OK, OK; you all win.
>
> Twitch, I can't belieeeeeeve you said that. You let a couple little dweebie
> guys come in here and declare the NiceGuy whine as The Truth[tm]! We're
> going to have to take back your breasts or something equally as significant of
ooh! ooh! can i have them?
wendy c (gonna get christmas shopping done early this year)
great! this gets better every day!
angie
There's a Caribbean restaurant a little up my street; when they run out of
chickens they sometimes do a special on jerk jerk. It isn't bad. If I ever
decide to splurge on a decent Continental-cuisine place and try nice-guy
Nicoise, I'll post a comparison.
-Sheba
[Something or another]
Hey! Welcome back!
>ykw
How does one pronounce this?
> Michael Sullivan (m...@panix.com) writes:
> > Warren Cheney <aw...@freenet.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>There's someone in wny.freenet.social.singles.qa who was investigating
> >>Amtrak runs to the West Coast, and found round trips to Seattle were
> >>running around $800.
> >
> > That's utterly ludicrous. You could take a plane for not much more than
> > 1/2 that. Unless you're really into seeing the scenery (to the extent that
> > you can see it from a train) and spending time in transit, it doesn't seem
> > to make much sense to take the train at those rates.
>
> unless you're utterly *terrified* of flying! :)
Well.....Amtrak has this special thing they like to do, it's called "Derailment"
Thank you, but I'd rather drive.
>
> angie
> <who was silly enough to take the *bus* all the way to Texas!>
During some pretty nasty weather none-the-less.
>--Lauren, really and truly looking for another cheap provider this
>time
Doesn't this belong in the "Women looking for security" thread?
- Brian (at least she's not playing head games:)
I did try to warn you about that.
I cannot understand why women are so strongly attracted to men who will
treat them like crap. I'm a pretty nice guy, yet I see women going with
all the jerks around. Sure, most of them say they want a nice guy, who'll
treat them well. But they really go for the jerks. Why is this?
Oh yeah, it also really helps if you're buff. Buff jerks get the most
women of all.
Limit replies to email, as I don't read this group usually. All flames
will be ignored.
>In article <DKyBD...@freenet.buffalo.edu>,
>Warren Cheney <aw...@freenet.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>
>> There's someone in wny.freenet.social.singles.qa who was investigating
>>Amtrak runs to the West Coast, and found round trips to Seattle were
>>running around $800.
>
>That's utterly ludicrous. You could take a plane for not much more than
>1/2 that. Unless you're really into seeing the scenery (to the extent that
>you can see it from a train) and spending time in transit, it doesn't seem
>to make much sense to take the train at those rates.
>
Not to be mixing threads, but does anyone know if the intercontinental
moose is accepting passengers on zir next slingshot out? :)
----Warren (hell, I'll just save the funds for DenverBoink instead...)
> Twitch, I can't belieeeeeeve you said that. You let a couple little dweebie
> guys come in here and declare the NiceGuy whine as The Truth[tm]! We're
> going to have to take back your breasts or something equally as significant of
> kicking you out of the female camp.
yeah, like you need more breasts ;-D
ykw
>So, what are the odds? And have the women been betting heavily in
>favor of one or the other? Where will the contest take place and how
>will a winner be established? Most inportantly, do we have the names
>of the Nice Guy and the Jerk who will battle it out for the love of
>all woman kind?
I have a feeling the women aren't paying any attention. After all, it
sounds like some kind of professional sporting event or something.
(Hey, did y'all hear that Mark the Later gets a free bowl of soup if
someone from Dallas does something or other?)
--
Trish Roberts eng...@showme.missouri.edu [standard disclaimer applies]
"I'm no angel; I am no stranger to the dark.
Let me rock your cradle; let me start a fire with your spark." (G. Allman)
>i do adore trains and i would've *loved* to take the train to joyful and
>strider's wedding, but - it cost 3 times as much as the bus and twice as
>much as a plane ticket. and it would've been a longer trip than on the
>bus, because i would've had to stay overnight in chicago...
>
>does amtrak have first class? :)
Some of their trains do.
I took a sleeper train from Chicago to Philly when I moved there. I
*love* sleeping on a train and thought this would be a nice way to
make the transition to a new home. I wanted more time to prepare
myself for the next phase in my life than a two-hour flight would've
given me. I got a sleeper compartment, and it was lovely having my
own little room with bed, etc. A far cry from sleepers I took in
India, that's for sure.
For a quick trip, though, I'd probably fly.
unless you're utterly *terrified* of flying! :)
>Michael Sullivan (m...@panix.com) writes:
>> Warren Cheney <aw...@freenet.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>There's someone in wny.freenet.social.singles.qa who was investigating
>>>Amtrak runs to the West Coast, and found round trips to Seattle were
>>>running around $800.
>>
>> That's utterly ludicrous. You could take a plane for not much more than
>> 1/2 that. Unless you're really into seeing the scenery (to the extent that
>> you can see it from a train) and spending time in transit, it doesn't seem
>> to make much sense to take the train at those rates.
>
>unless you're utterly *terrified* of flying! :)
Or you adore trains. Even Amtrak.
>Argh, I've kinda lost track, I hate to admit (I'm emarried to
>some folks in other newsgroups, also).
One born every minute, I suppose...
- Tony Q.
---
Tony Quirke, Journeyman Semiotician at Arms, Wellington, New Zealand.
"And when women do not need to live through their husbands and children,
men will not fear the love and strength of women, nor need another's
weakness to prove their own masculinity."
- Betty Friedan, _The Feminine Mystique_
Oooooh, that does it. Even though I live an hour away from Trygve's
house, for the next DenverBoink, I'll fly somewhere and get Alex to
pick me up on his way in.
ROOOOOOADTRIP!!!!!!
--
Jill Lundquist ji...@qualcomm.com DoD #882
When hell freezes over, grab the ice skates.
> I took a sleeper train from Chicago to Philly when I moved there. [..]
> A far cry from sleepers I took in
> India, that's for sure.
Ok, time for one of the worst puns ever.
A friend of mine told me about his travels through India.
At one point he got on a train, and thought he had found
himself a nice sleeper cabin. However, the train conductor
told him he'd have to find another, because that part of
the train was for women only. My friend claims to have
responded: ``Do you mean to tell me that this berth
is actually a Miss-carriage?''
--
Victor Eijkhout
405 Hilgard Ave ......................... Compuserve strikes a pose: ``If the
Department of Mathematics, UCLA ........... Dutch government were to prohibit
Los Angeles CA 90024 ......................... electronic mailing service, we
phone: +1 310 825 2173 / 9036 ........................... will go to court.''
http://www.math.ucla.edu/~eijkhout/ [from a news item, trans. by me]
the tornadoes were left in my wake in Tennessee! they had one just
outside Houston the morning of the day i arrived... :)
angie
<goddesses wreck havoc wherever they go!>
>>* poking head up from Lurker Land *
>>
>>Roadtrip?? Did I hear someone say road trip??????
>
>Oooooh, that does it. Even though I live an hour away from Trygve's
>house, for the next DenverBoink, I'll fly somewhere and get Alex to
>pick me up on his way in.
>
>ROOOOOOADTRIP!!!!!!
Why wait that long?
If Alex starts in the next week or so, he can probably pick up
most of soc.singles and still make it to The Boink With No Name!
--ho...@locus.com (where it's 80 degrees this week)
[it's nonsense to spend lots on cross-country train rides when
airfare is cheaper...]
>unless you're utterly *terrified* of flying! :)
>
>angie
><who was silly enough to take the *bus* all the way to Texas!>
And left tornadoes in her wake all the way there, as I recall...
--
Mama, don't take my Kodachrome away! - PS
> Warren Cheney (aw...@freenet.buffalo.edu) writes:
> > In a previous article, m...@panix.com (Michael Sullivan) says:
> >>In article <DKyBD...@freenet.buffalo.edu>,
> >>Warren Cheney <aw...@freenet.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Amtrak runs to the West Coast, and found round trips to Seattle were
> >>>running around $800.
> >>
> >>That's utterly ludicrous. You could take a plane for not much more than
> >>1/2 that. Unless you're really into seeing the scenery (to the extent that
> >>you can see it from a train) and spending time in transit, it doesn't seem
> >>to make much sense to take the train at those rates.
> >
> > Not to be mixing threads, but does anyone know if the intercontinental
> > moose is accepting passengers on zir next slingshot out? :)
>
> warren, just ask alex 'the ultimate road warrior' to drive you! :)
>
* poking head up from Lurker Land *
>In article <4d1atm$r...@news1.ucsd.edu>, Lynn <ldo...@chem.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>(I am sick to death of this subject line)
>>So, what are the odds? And have the women been betting heavily in
>>favor of one or the other? Where will the contest take place and how
>>will a winner be established? Most inportantly, do we have the names
>>of the Nice Guy and the Jerk who will battle it out for the love of
>>all woman kind?
>I have a feeling the women aren't paying any attention. After all, it
>sounds like some kind of professional sporting event or something.
Naw, they're the ones who bet the Jerks from -11.5 to -13. (Just another
reason why It Ain't Fair.) As soon as it goes past -14 I'm gonna play
the dog. NiceGuys may finish last, but sometimes they cover.
>(Hey, did y'all hear that Mark the Later gets a free bowl of soup if
>someone from Dallas does something or other?)
First, it ain't free; $350 a pop, times two. And second, all Dallas has to
do is pretend it's playing the Redskins and I'm headed to Tempe. (OTOH, if
the Cowboys play like they did last time against GB--actually the last
*five* times--well, I'm getting used to this Wisconsin winter. . . )
Mark The Later
Yes. We Juhas rule the world (well, at least we rule Finland - there
are lots of us in here.)
>>Bitches prefer jerks.
>>BTW you can't hide the jerk's look in your eyes. Be yourself and
>>you'll get the bitch you deserve.
>
>Make that another Juha, with an attitude!
Indeed. Welcome Juha. May your days here be bright and glory. :-)
(And back to the shadows. I'm still 1800 articles behind)
--
Juha Taina ta...@cs.helsinki.fi http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~taina/
You left a few here in Kentucky, too, as I recall... (And
we're waiting for you to come take them back...)
>Well.....Amtrak has this special thing they like to do, it's called
>"Derailment"
I wonder what the stats would look like if you compared the
deaths/injuries per passenger mile for cars and trains? I have a
sneaking suspicion that the train would be a lot safer.
When I bought a car six months ago I was quite conscious of the fact
that I'd probably just significantly lowered my life expectancy.
--
Thomas Beagle
tho...@geac.co.nz
'Samatter, Jeem? Prozac holdover? It's not December anymore, 'k?
Elizabeth
Hey! I'm not into robbing the cradle *that* much!
o
Besides, aren't you and I emarried?
--
Debbie Schwartz d...@halcyon.com (Seattle, WA)
"That's why I'm not married - I'm devoting my life to being a
psychiatric patient. It's like being a nun, but more expensive."
-- Shelley Long in "The Cracker Factory"
How about New York -> San Diego -> Eugene, Oregon (to pick up
Ken Kesey's psychedelic bus) -> Seattle -> Denver?
Has a date for the next DenverBoink been set yet?
>Ok, time for one of the worst puns ever.
>
>A friend of mine told me about his travels through India.
>At one point he got on a train, and thought he had found
>himself a nice sleeper cabin. However, the train conductor
>told him he'd have to find another, because that part of
>the train was for women only. My friend claims to have
>responded: ``Do you mean to tell me that this berth
>is actually a Miss-carriage?''
Cute. But unlikely. These days, the trains are strictly and
completely co-ed; I shared one sleeper with a Sikh officer and his
next-in-command; shared another sleeper with about five Europeans of
both genders; shared another with an elderly Indian couple ...
>> Dwayne Conyers (dwa...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>> : I find it interesting the old argument that women only like jerks and
>> : not nice guys. Well, admit it or not, it is true.
as...@orion.alaska.edu wrote:
>I cannot understand why women are so strongly attracted to men who will
>treat them like crap. I'm a pretty nice guy, yet I see women going with
>all the jerks around. Sure, most of them say they want a nice guy, who'll
>treat them well. But they really go for the jerks. Why is this?
>Oh yeah, it also really helps if you're buff. Buff jerks get the most
>women of all.
You both seem to be judging the world of "women" by these particular women.
Don't you think there are any women who are different? If not, I'd recommend
celibacy!
Now, do you really want to date a woman who would go for a jerk? If so, your
self-esteem is in need of repair.
My rule is: Any woman who goes for a jerk is a jerkette.
Matt Beckwith
Jacksonville, Florida
www.geopages.com/Athens/2371
> <am...@cornell.edu (Alex Nemeth)> spake thusly:
> >
> >Lets make this one memoriable ;-) New York to Denver by way of
> >oh.........lets say San Diego?
>
> How about New York -> San Diego -> Eugene, Oregon (to pick up
> Ken Kesey's psychedelic bus) -> Seattle -> Denver?
>
This is better still !!!!!!
> In article <4d3dhg$j...@baloo.qualcomm.com>, ji...@qualcomm.com (Jill
> Lundquist) wrote:
>
> > In article <amn1-11019...@132.236.42.179>,
> > Alex Nemeth <am...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> > >* poking head up from Lurker Land *
> > >
> > >Roadtrip?? Did I hear someone say road trip??????
> >
> > Oooooh, that does it. Even though I live an hour away from Trygve's
> > house, for the next DenverBoink, I'll fly somewhere and get Alex to
> > pick me up on his way in.
> >
> KEWL....Now I have no excuses for not making it to Denver this year ;-)
>
You never told me you were coming to see me...dear God, give me time to
do my hair...
>
whoa. meet juha II. a fine counterpoint to juha I.
-piranha
"Western Kentucky" (He just spelled it backwards... Lysdexia,
don't ya know...)
> <aw...@freenet.buffalo.edu (Warren Cheney)> spake thusly:
> > *sigh* I was curious as to whether anyone from this neck of the woods
> >was contemplating a journey to DenverBoink...of course, Jill, now that
> >you've announced your plans, I guess it's now or never to try and reserve
> >a seat. (And, in contrast to ChocolateBoink, *this* is do-or-die.)
>
> Has a date for the next DenverBoink been set yet?
> --
Oh, Trygve, love? I think you can take this as a hint! Please?
>>>Argh, I've kinda lost track, I hate to admit (I'm emarried to
>>>some folks in other newsgroups, also).
>> One born every minute, I suppose...
>Hey! I'm not into robbing the cradle *that* much!
I'm not into it at all. I find babies seldom have enough ready cash to
make mugging them worthwile, although I know a fence who'll buy candy.
>Besides, aren't you and I emarried?
We are ?
Ooops...
>Duct tape is optional.
Au contraire. Necessary for repairing blown-radiator-hoses-du-jour.
MTE
--
Mark D. Garfinkel (e-mail: mg...@midway.uchicago.edu)
(c) 1996; all rights reserved. Permission granted for Usenet quotation
with attribution.
> In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.960112...@essex.UCHSC.edu>, Amy
> Millard <mill...@essex.UCHSC.edu> wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > KEWL....Now I have no excuses for not making it to Denver this year ;-)
> > >
> > You never told me you were coming to see me...dear God, give me time to
> > do my hair...
> > >
>
>
> Ahh don't worry about the hair, I much prefer the "natural" look ;-)
>
>
In my world, even that takes time. Natural curls, donchaknow.
> Or yet another ridiculous boink idea:
>
> Alex drives around the country, picking up people and other cars as
> he goes. Cars, motorcycles, and people drop in and out of the
> caravan as the Jack Kerouac Boink covers all of North America.
> Duct tape is optional. Boink breakfasts are held in cheesy "family
> restaurants." Showers (joint and several) are purchased at truck
> stops. Certain cars are designated "snoring cars" and all others
> are strictly "non-snoring." Peectures are capital crimes, since we
> all look so repulsive after a few weeks on the road. Mooning other
> cars is de rigueur.
>
Sign me up. Now to hide that camera in the leather jacket...
> Amy Millard (mill...@essex.UCHSC.edu) writes:
> > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Alex Nemeth wrote:
>
> >> KEWL....Now I have no excuses for not making it to Denver this year ;-)
> >>
> > You never told me you were coming to see me...dear God, give me time to
> > do my hair...
>
> i'll help you... *after* dinner...! ;)
>
Of course. Otherwise there would just be garlic sause in it when we were
done. *beeeg grin*
I can't either. I also can't understand why women who AREN'T attracted to
jerks are so invisible to you.
|I'm a pretty nice guy, yet I see women going with
|all the jerks around.
The heck you are, and the heck you do.
|Sure, most of them say they want a nice guy, who'll
|treat them well. But they really go for the jerks. Why is this?
Why don't you ask them?
|Oh yeah, it also really helps if you're buff. Buff jerks get the most
|women of all.
I don't even know what "buff" means.
Who cares if some guys get the most women? If you spend all your time
envying guys who get lots of babes, as opposed to men who just have one or
two really satisfying relationships, then no matter what you say, you are
a jerk.
Sue
-----
"East meets west: Sue "Cheezits" + Alan "Forest Nerd""
- carved on the wall in a pizza place in Flagstaff, AZ
>> KEWL....Now I have no excuses for not making it to Denver this year ;-)
>>
> You never told me you were coming to see me...dear God, give me time to
> do my hair...
i'll help you... *after* dinner...! ;)
angie
QoP
: >Duct tape is optional.
: Au contraire. Necessary for repairing blown-radiator-hoses-du-jour.
Not if you're driving a psychedelically painted VW microbus.
Mike (wonder who the deadheads will follow around now?)
--
Mike Lerch m...@pe.net mike...@igc.apc.org
Riverside, CA USA "sorry, a quote costs extra"
>I cannot understand why women are so strongly attracted to men who will
>treat them like crap. I'm a pretty nice guy, yet I see women going with
>all the jerks around. Sure, most of them say they want a nice guy, who'll
>treat them well. But they really go for the jerks. Why is this?
>Oh yeah, it also really helps if you're buff. Buff jerks get the most
>women of all.
There's an obvious explanation if you think about it.
Let us suppose that the incipient quality of Jerkness[tm] and the "Je ne
sais quoi" which causes women to flock to men in droves are completely
independent genetically.
Guys who have JNSQ (acronym plug) will tend to have women interested in
them no matter how they behave. This reduces their incentive to behave in
a reasonable fashion. Whatever their inherent JerknessQuotient
(henceforth referred to as JQ), it will not be mitigated by the desire to
be attractive. They will appear to be bigger Jerks than guys with an
equivalent JQ but no JNSQ
Works for women too -- haven't we all heard the lament about how "The
prettiest ones always seem to be bitches."?
It's certainly not universal, and it seems that I've thankfully been
blessed with selection criteria which flags an appearance of overall
bitchiness as frightfully unattractive -- to the extent that I find many
women normally considered "guy magnets" utterly repulsive.
Michael
: > Or yet another ridiculous boink idea:
: >
: > Alex drives around the country, picking up people and other cars as
: > he goes. Cars, motorcycles, and people drop in and out of the
: > caravan as the Jack Kerouac Boink covers all of North America.
: > Duct tape is optional. Boink breakfasts are held in cheesy "family
: > restaurants." Showers (joint and several) are purchased at truck
: > stops. Certain cars are designated "snoring cars" and all others
: > are strictly "non-snoring." Peectures are capital crimes, since we
: > all look so repulsive after a few weeks on the road. Mooning other
: > cars is de rigueur.
: >
: Actually not quite as ridiculous as it may seem :-)
Sounds more fun than ridiculous.
: Alex - who happens to have 6 months of sick time and 3 weeks vacation time
: to use up sometime soon.
debbi - who just used all her sick days for recovering from surgery. At
least Michael and Phillip will not have such a difficult time figuring
out what foods I can eat next time they cook for all of us.
--
debbi dam...@nic.smsu.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
disclaimers apply. you are the rock we smash our lives against.
That's right! And the "nice guys" who claim that "women only want jerks"
are basically saying "I only want to date the jerkettes." Which means that
they, too, are jerks, only without the babes.
Sue (not a jerkette)
-----
Is she really going out with him?
Is she really going to take him home tonight? - Joe Jackson
*sniff*
>--ho...@locus.com (where it's 80 degrees this week)
Oh, hush.
Ogre, it's warming up here, though. S'posed to hit 50
tomorrow, I think...
"My rule is: Any woman who goes for a jerk is a jerkette."
As a woman, I agree with these statements. I personally would never
put up with someone who treated me badly and to be quite honest, I
do not know any women who would.
I read the posts in this newsgroup on a regular basis, and I always
wonder where these men are meeting these women? Are they purposely
going after the trashiest, most insensitive bimbos they can find
because their own self-esteem is really low? It seems to me that
women who date jerks obviously do not feel they deserve better. I
think the same can be said for men who only go after the jerkettes.
The bottom line is most men are jerks and most women are jerkettes. If
you are neither, your chances of finding someo
ne who is a high quality person is low because of all the jerks and
jerkettes out there. I think everyone goes through their share of
"bad apples" before they find their soulmate. The important thing
is to keep looking and never give up hope the person exists.
Sign me,
Still looking and not giving up
What's ridiculous? Most sane idea I've heard for a long time.
Be sure to swing by and get me. I'll take non-snoring, mooning.
Will there be any "non" cheesy restaurants for those of us
who don't get along well with dairy products? Amy, I want
copies of the peectures.
Adolf Hitler is rumored to have had it...
--
'dreas... If you want something bad enough, you will get it.
VictoriaTaxi15 When you get it, you may wonder why you wanted it.
On January 2, 1968, I was in a train derailment in Chicago. I was
uninjured. I still ride trains.
(My father tops me. He was in two train collisions, both during the
1930s.)
}Thank you, but I'd rather drive.
On October 6, 1973, I was in a two-car collision at an intersection in
College Park, Maryland. My injuries included fractures of the skull, right
humerus, and left clavicle and cuts to the left side of the face that left
scars. I still drive.
--
-- Herb Huston
-- hus...@access.digex.net
>I have a great DaBoink group shot, which (if there are no objections - speak
>now or your Supreme Court appointment will never be safe) I will make
>available to interested parties for a mere postage-and-printing dollar. It
>shows everybody that was there except me, plus half each of two sculptures,
>and some paintings that aren't worth mentioning. SWILL and HURL are making
>fuzzy wuzzy snugglies _right in front of God and everybody_ too - ew! I'm
>so glad the camera was the disposable kind, it would have messed up my good
>SLR.
Any chance that could show up on a Web page?
|In article <4d6a8b$e...@baloo.qualcomm.com> ji...@qualcomm.com (Jill
Lundquist)
|writes:
|
|>Or yet another ridiculous boink idea:
|
|>Alex drives around the country, picking up people and other cars as
|>he goes.
|
|Rediculous? I was just thinking how I'd like to get in on it!!!
|I'll take the duct tape car, non-snoring with lots of mooning.
Best idea I've seen! Can I bring my bike? And my parakeet? Is there any
room in the snoring car?
And could you drop me off in Santa Barbara?
Sue (I'll even bring crackers)
-----
Call it morning driving to the sound of
In and out the valley - Yes
> > I would like to point out a missing acronym here, the PJQ (PotentialJerkness
> > Quotient). Many NGs (Nice Guys) turn out to be carriers of this genetic
> > disorder. But, there may be no way to know until it is too late.
>
> Adolf Hitler is rumored to have had it...
strange that this unusual thread should be here the very same month that
playboy addresses the issue of jerks v. niceguys in the playboy advisor.
to wit:
q: [...] Why do women prefer jerks who treat them badly? Even worse,
who do you think they complain to about Jerk Man? You guessed it. Help!
a: [...] So when does a nice guy's luck turn? The moment he stops being
a schmuck. If you're hot for a woman and she doesn't respond except to bend
your ear, find a smarter woman. [...] There's probably a nice girl in the
wings of your life waiting for you to stop whining about all the women who
think you're a nice guy.
** from the feb 1996 issue, p. 31
odd. that advice sounds so snigular.
wendy c (we buy it for the articles. *snicker*)
styling aid. better than mousse. *not* the chocolate variety. or diamond.
angie
Hey, my sister tops your father. She was in two train collisions on
the same trip. (She also still takes the train.)
Piglet
>>> Duct tape is optional. Boink breakfasts are held in cheesy "family
>>> restaurants." Showers (joint and several) are purchased at truck
>>> stops. Certain cars are designated "snoring cars" and all others
>>> are strictly "non-snoring."
This is all IME totally ANSI standard boink practice already.
>>>Peectures are capital crimes, since we
>>> all look so repulsive after a few weeks on the road. Mooning other
>>> cars is de rigueur.
I haven't seen this yet, but you tactful people were probably concerned for
my virginal eyes, and cleverly did it while I was looking the other way.
I have a great DaBoink group shot, which (if there are no objections - speak
now or your Supreme Court appointment will never be safe) I will make
available to interested parties for a mere postage-and-printing dollar. It
shows everybody that was there except me, plus half each of two sculptures,
and some paintings that aren't worth mentioning. SWILL and HURL are making
fuzzy wuzzy snugglies _right in front of God and everybody_ too - ew! I'm
so glad the camera was the disposable kind, it would have messed up my good
SLR.
-Sheba
wendy c (where is charlie, anyway?)
> Hey! I'm not into robbing the cradle *that* much!
> o
> Besides, aren't you and I emarried?
Go 2 years younger and a steak well done.
Or on a cheap date, a BIGMOUTH BURGER.
C., Vancouver awaits
"I had far rather walk, as I do, in daily terror of eternity, than feel
that this was a children's game in which all the contestants would get
equally worthless prizes in the end."
-T.S.Eliot
*snip niceguy analysis*
>Adolf Hitler is rumored to have had it...
And the thread refuses to die. Nice try...
ju...@many.people.think.the.NAZIS.were.Jerks
>Let us suppose that the incipient quality of Jerkness[tm] and the "Je ne
>sais quoi" which causes women to flock to men in droves are completely
>independent genetically.
>Guys who have JNSQ (acronym plug) will tend to have women interested in
>them no matter how they behave. This reduces their incentive to behave in
>a reasonable fashion. Whatever their inherent JerknessQuotient
>(henceforth referred to as JQ), it will not be mitigated by the desire to
>be attractive. They will appear to be bigger Jerks than guys with an
>equivalent JQ but no JNSQ
>Works for women too -- haven't we all heard the lament about how "The
>prettiest ones always seem to be bitches."?
>It's certainly not universal, and it seems that I've thankfully been
>blessed with selection criteria which flags an appearance of overall
>bitchiness as frightfully unattractive -- to the extent that I find many
>women normally considered "guy magnets" utterly repulsive.
I like your analysis.
This is the reason the best people are people who have something about
themselves which inhibits their self-esteem just a little bit, or who have had
some pretty heavy duty suffering in their past (from which they emerged
triumphant with a healthy self-esteem but a deep compassion and tolerance for
others, and did not become cynical or jaded).
I have noticed that really really attractive women do tend to be a bit haughty.
That is a damned shame, I must say.
Matt Beckwith
Jacksonville, Florida
www.geopages.com/Athens/2371
>The bottom line is most men are jerks and most women are jerkettes. If
>you are neither, your chances of finding someo
>ne who is a high quality person is low because of all the jerks and
>jerkettes out there. I think everyone goes through their share of
>"bad apples" before they find their soulmate. The important thing
>is to keep looking and never give up hope the person exists.
I agree. I would add that it's important to keep an eye out for red flags
(little hints that there's an incompability, hints that we tend to ignore out of
hopefulness). Also, don't date anyone who isn't marriage potential (if marriage
is your ultimate goal, that is).
There's rumors in the industry that they will start following the band
"Phish"
- heck
< wondering if piranha has something to do with that.... >
> >On 12 Jan 1996, Jill Lundquist wrote:
> >> Or yet another ridiculous boink idea:
> >>
> >> Alex drives around the country, picking up people and other cars as
> >> he goes.
> What's ridiculous? Most sane idea I've heard for a long time.
> Be sure to swing by and get me. I'll take non-snoring, mooning.
> Will there be any "non" cheesy restaurants for those of us
> who don't get along well with dairy products? Amy, I want
> copies of the peectures.
i'm in. i'd like to make it my personal quest to find the nation's
best BLT. snoring is no problem (if i'm tired enough, i'll sleep) but
i want to be sure to get a loud music and singing car.
wendy c (oh, yeah -- shotgun!)
> >angie
> ><who was silly enough to take the *bus* all the way to Texas!>
> And left tornadoes in her wake all the way there, as I recall...
now that's good usenet.
^sunbird^
> > You never told me you were coming to see me...dear God, give me time to
> > do my hair...
> i'll help you... *after* dinner...! ;)
sorry, i have an appointment...
*sunbird*
> >Alex drives around the country, picking up people and other cars as
> >he goes. Cars, motorcycles, and people drop in and out of the
> >caravan as the Jack Kerouac Boink covers all of North America.
> >Duct tape is optional. Boink breakfasts are held in cheesy "family
> >restaurants." Showers (joint and several) are purchased at truck ^^^^^
i cannot possibly imagine having even one joint in the shower. howdoya
keep it lit?
> >stops.
*sunbird*
cheezits, dear!? crackers are as welcome in a boink car as they are in bed
- rolling over on messy crumbs - blech! lime jello, diet coke and croissants
[soft and flaky] are the best road trip foods! :)
angie
[RoadtripBoink]
>> Sue (I'll even bring crackers)
>
>cheezits, dear!? crackers are as welcome in a boink car as they are in bed
>- rolling over on messy crumbs - blech! lime jello, diet coke and croissants
>[soft and flaky] are the best road trip foods! :)
And chocolate. Can't forget that...
Ogre, gonna have to buy a box of bourbon truffles from the
store up the street for the next boink...
>I cannot understand why women are so strongly attracted to men who will
>treat them like crap. I'm a pretty nice guy, yet I see women going with
>all the jerks around. Sure, most of them say they want a nice guy, who'll
>treat them well. But they really go for the jerks. Why is this?
Are you sure that they are all jerks. Can you define what it is that
these jerks do that makes them jerks?
Here is what's going on. Women prefer confident men who can project
their self esteem. They are also turned off by men who are mushy--that
is, men who fawn over them. Men are sexual suspects...if a man seems
overly eager--a woman might well suspect that he's more interested in
sex than sincere in his attraction to her. If a man makes a big deal
over being around her, he might scare her off.
BTW...get out of Alaska! As I understand it, there is a deplorable
male to female ratio in Alaska!
[on playboy]
> wendy c (we buy it for the articles. *snicker*)
but of course. we're not supposed to post binaries here.
sunbird
>John Fereira (fer...@isis.com) writes:
>> In article <4dgjnc$o...@mordred.gatech.edu> gt6...@prism.gatech.edu (Eric Schmenk) writes:
>>>
>>>No. Before serving dinner! I thought a chef of your caliber would
>>>understand the importance of presentation. Take a picture for
>>>posterity, please.
>>
>> I don't think Angie wants any pictures of her posterior or any other
>> portion of her anatomy taken.
*Sigh!* Knowing this group, I was afraid someone would post this. (I
was even more afraid of a gun pun, but maybe people realized that
Angie wouldn't want to have her diameter discussed publicly.)
>darling! if i'm dressed and inhabiting Cindy Crawford's body, i don't
>mind. :)
Oh, then all you will need to do is put some clothes on.
>>>Do you need any help marinading Amy?
>>
>> If she's using a turkey baster, I doubt it.
>turkey baster? mais non! a soft brush would work best on amy... ;)
Hell, I was just going to use my fingers! I wouldn't mind getting
messy for the sake of the entire group.
Er...@need.to.work.the.marinade.in.donchano
The early bird gets the worm ... gt6...@prism.gatech.edu
I think I'll wait for the cheeseburger!
If you say that neither you nor any women you know would go for a jerk...
>I read the posts in this newsgroup on a regular basis, and I always
>wonder where these men are meeting these women?
And you wonder where they're meeting them...
<....>
>The bottom line is most men are jerks and most women are jerkettes. If
>you are neither, your chances of finding someone who is a high quality
>person is low because of all the jerks and jerkettes out there.
How does this statement follow those? Personally, I don't think that most
are, depending on where you're *looking*.
> I think everyone goes through their share of
>"bad apples" before they find their soulmate. The important thing
>is to keep looking and never give up hope the person exists.
>
This can, unfortunately, be true but not necessarily. How you *look* for
someone can affect this. If that's your only goal, you can be focusing on
some things and not the person as a whole.
>Sign me,
>
>Still looking and not giving up
Crys
"My perfect day would have some time to laugh, to think and to cry."
- J. Valvano
: cheezits, dear!? crackers are as welcome in a boink car as they are in bed
: - rolling over on messy crumbs - blech!
When I was in high school a common saying was, "I wouldn't kick her out
of bed for eating crackers." I guess it all depends on what else the
cracker-eater has to offer ;-)
Mike
--
Mike Lerch m...@pe.net mike...@igc.apc.org
Riverside, CA USA "sorry, a quote costs extra"
>Amy Millard (mill...@essex.UCHSC.edu) writes:
>> You never told me you were coming to see me...dear God, give me time to
>> do my hair...
>i'll help you... *after* dinner...! ;)
No. Before serving dinner! I thought a chef of your caliber would
understand the importance of presentation. Take a picture for
posterity, please.
Do you need any help marinading Amy?
Er...@a.noble.sacrifice.amy.rilly
ugh! no thanks! Study Subject #1 never let the bird into the bedroom!
:)
> Sue (how about whipped cream, then?)
an absolute *necessity*! ;)
angie
> <Amy Millard <mill...@essex.UCHSC.edu>> spake thusly:
> >On 12 Jan 1996, Jill Lundquist wrote:
> >> Or yet another ridiculous boink idea:
> >>
> >> Alex drives around the country, picking up people and other cars as
> >> he goes. Cars, motorcycles, and people drop in and out of the
> >> caravan as the Jack Kerouac Boink covers all of North America. [snip]
> >>
> >Sign me up. Now to hide that camera in the leather jacket...
>
> What's ridiculous? Most sane idea I've heard for a long time.
> Be sure to swing by and get me. I'll take non-snoring, mooning.
> Will there be any "non" cheesy restaurants for those of us
> who don't get along well with dairy products? Amy, I want
> copies of the peectures.
OOH! OOH! Can I go, too?? PLEEZE???? Caravaning around the continent
with a bunch of snigglers sounds like my idea of a GREAT vacation! :-)
--Lynnette
"No you never get any fun out of the things you haven't done..."
(Ogden Nash)
(Oh, and, BTW, all appropriate disclaimers apply to what I just said.)
*sigh* Sure, right after I get consent from all of the following:
Mike Sullivan
Al DeVere
Phillip
Lynnette
Jill
Owen the lurker
Mark Leitner
Lorre
Mark Garfinkel
Orc
Julie
Francois
Charlotte
Debbi
piranha
Dean Esmay
If I were you, Twitch, and I really wanted to see this picture, I'd send me
a dollar. Or at least not hold my breath.
-Sheba
BTDT. Still have bird seed deep in the car seats from the wedding eight
months ago.
= Sue (how about whipped cream, then?)
And strawberries? Yummy!
Joyful! (Someone be sure to pick me up!)
/ "I can show you the world, shining, shimmering, splendid." \
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>wendy c (where is charlie, anyway?)
Last I heard, alive and mostly well and moving to Connecticut.
--Diamond
Even Saran Wrap cannot resist the power of Disney chemicals! (Okay, so
the scissors helped too.)
= > = Sue (how about whipped cream, then?)
= > And strawberries? Yummy!
= both.
Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm. May I have some more?
= > (Someone be sure to pick me up!)
= i wouldn't take the trip without you...
Aw, what a sweetie! *hug*
Joyful!