lawyer-guy maggot
Jim Ledford
>
> If this is true, then I don't feel sorry for her at all...I mean
> bulimia? How stupid do you have to be to be bulemic?
insecure female who wants to be with fornicator male.
it's a short lived stupid or we could say it's the stupid
that causes the short life.
now that I know about the law suit I can visualize
lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband how dumb-ass
doctor caused it all.
miguel
How did that post make God feel?
Jim Ledford
Eph 6:11
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against
the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13
miguel
>Eph 6:11
>Eph 6:13
Look, I'm trying to help you out here, and you're being stupid, the
same way you were stupid and evasive with Phoo.
How do you suppose it makes God and Jesus feel when you quote a bible
verse in what appears to be an attempt to justify your hatred?
miguel
kim
Why do you respond to posts that say "lawyer-guy maggot"?
Kim
Jim Ledford
my out spoken disdain for YOUR world is not hate for you as God's child.
I do understand where you, a worldly lawyer-guy, would confuse yourself.
Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me
before it hated you.
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his
own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen
you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be
fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without
a cause.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath
hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am
not of the world.
>
> miguel
miguel
Kim, I don't know what sad array of forces conspired to turn you into
the person you are, but I don't have any desire to engage in any kind
of pleasant or meaningful or polite conversation with anybody who,
like you, accused me of pedophilia. So in case that's what you're
trying to do, don't bother, okay?
miguel
miguel
I am not the one who is confused here. The verses you are now quoting
are discussing the "world's" hatred for believers. You are trying to
use the verses to justify your hatred, as a believer, for the world,
and in particular, for certain occupations of the world.
I'm not a theologian, obviously, but I would be immensely surprised if
you could find any decent, intelligent, christian theologian who would
attempt to use those verses, or any other bible verses in the new
testament for that matter, to justify hatred of all people of a
certain occupation, or race, or gender, or sexual preference, or . . .
you get the picture.
miguel
Jim Ledford
yea, showed up with your displayed difficulty you've been
having with the proper spelling of the His name. Mike, the
name is spelled Jesus. show some respect for Him and spell
His name correctly.
> but I would be immensely surprised if
> you could find any decent, intelligent, christian theologian who would
> attempt to use those verses, or any other bible verses in the new
> testament for that matter, to justify hatred of all people of a
> certain occupation, or race, or gender, or sexual preference, or . . .
> you get the picture.
Mike the verses from the book of John are there to show I
understand why you hate me. why you call me names and why
you'd be much happier if I'd shut up and go away.
there are two views for everything. spiritual and worldly.
the spiritual view will always serve God. the worldly view
will always serve man.
when lawyers represent worldly people who can't stand seeing
The Ten Commandments displayed on PUBLIC land lawyers are
serving the world when they work to remove the one and only
true LAW from view of the world.
when worldly men use my tax dollars to build and dedicate
a monument on public land to one of their worldly great and
powerful men say for example any of the past yankee governing
officials such as washington or whoever, I see this as placing
an idol on public land and dragging me along since they used
money they stole from me to do it. for years I kept silent
and gave tolerance to them and their need for idols.
when lawyers represent atheist who want prayer to
Lord God Almighty removed from the public schools
then lawyers are serving the ugly nasty world view.
Mike, I don't hate you, I dislike workers of satan
who do the evil of trying to remove The Word of
Lord God Almighty from public view.
>
> miguel
miguel
You're pretty angry for a Christian.
When your Savior Jesus was nailed to the cross, he prayed that God
would forgive all those who persecuted him. All these groups you
identify aren't persecuting you directly, yet you're filled with hate
for them. Is your religious practice and belief helping you become
more like Jesus, or less?
miguel
August Pamplona
> miguel wrote:
>
>
>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>
>>>miguel wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John Templeton wrote:
[snip]
> when lawyers represent worldly people who can't stand seeing
> The Ten Commandments displayed on PUBLIC land lawyers are
> serving the world when they work to remove the one and only
> true LAW from view of the world.
>
> when worldly men use my tax dollars to build and dedicate
> a monument on public land to one of their worldly great and
> powerful men say for example any of the past yankee governing
> officials such as washington or whoever, I see this as placing
> an idol on public land and dragging me along since they used
> money they stole from me to do it. for years I kept silent
> and gave tolerance to them and their need for idols.
It's funny that with all this talk of theft you would see
absolutely no problem with stealing money from _me_ to preach to _me_.
The mullahs are truly your soulmates, Jim Ledford.
>
> when lawyers represent atheist who want prayer to
> Lord God Almighty removed from the public schools
> then lawyers are serving the ugly nasty world view.
>
> Mike, I don't hate you, I dislike workers of satan
> who do the evil of trying to remove The Word of
> Lord God Almighty from public view.
No one is doing that despite your Biblically derived, bizarre
persecution fantasies.
>
>
>
>
>
>>miguel
August Pamplona
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> Jim Ledford wrote:
[....]
> > when worldly men use my tax dollars to build and dedicate
> > a monument on public land to one of their worldly great and
> > powerful men say for example any of the past yankee governing
> > officials such as washington or whoever, I see this as placing
> > an idol on public land and dragging me along since they used
> > money they stole from me to do it. for years I kept silent
> > and gave TOLERANCE to them and their need for idols.
>
> It's funny that with all this talk of theft you would see
> absolutely no problem with stealing money from _me_ to preach to _me_.
> The mullahs are truly your soulmates, Jim Ledford.
TOLERANCE for your idols has existed for a long time. only
since lawyer-guy maggots began running their big floppy lips
did you and your ink seem to lose your tolerance for what has
always been there. The Ten Commandments predates you and
lives on. you?
>
> August Pamplona
> --
>
> a.a. # 1811
it's always funny when one of you atheist shows up
outside of one of your atheist news groups to take
a shot at a Christian.
so what exactly were you doing outside of your atheist
news group? looking for something?
kim
You already did that when you speculated about my sex life when I was
underage, sunshine.
I don't need your input to laugh at you, but thanks anyways.
Kim, pfffft
Paul Duca
jim...@bellsouth.net wrote on 3/29/05 5:42 PM:
Being slow, fat and stupid, they make targets that are almost too
easy to get any pleasure from a hit.
Paul
August Pamplona
> August Pamplona wrote:
>
>
>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>
> [....]
>
>
>>>when worldly men use my tax dollars to build and dedicate
>>>a monument on public land to one of their worldly great and
>>>powerful men say for example any of the past yankee governing
>>>officials such as washington or whoever, I see this as placing
>>>an idol on public land and dragging me along since they used
>>>money they stole from me to do it. for years I kept silent
>>>and gave TOLERANCE to them and their need for idols.
>>
>> It's funny that with all this talk of theft you would see
>>absolutely no problem with stealing money from _me_ to preach to _me_.
>>The mullahs are truly your soulmates, Jim Ledford.
>
>
> TOLERANCE for your idols has existed for a long time. only
That nasty U.S. Constitution! Never worry, you guyses will fix
it right up, won't you?
> since lawyer-guy maggots began running their big floppy lips
> did you and your ink seem to lose your tolerance for what has
> always been there. The Ten Commandments predates you and
> lives on. you?
So are the Vedas. And your point is what, bigot?
>
>
>
>>August Pamplona
>>--
>>
>>a.a. # 1811
>
>
> it's always funny when one of you atheist shows up
> outside of one of your atheist news groups to take
Who let those fuckers out anyway. Shouldn't they be in death
camps anyway?
> a shot at a Christian.
>
> so what exactly were you doing outside of your atheist
> news group? looking for something?
Looky there! Nasty bigot troll added a crosspost to
alt.religion.christian.
miguel
>miguel wrote:
>>kim wrote:
>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>>>>John Templeton wrote:
>>>>>> If this is true, then I don't feel sorry for her at all...I mean
>>>>>> bulimia? How stupid do you have to be to be bulemic?
>>>>>insecure female who wants to be with fornicator male.
>>>>>it's a short lived stupid or we could say it's the stupid
>>>>>that causes the short life.
>>>>>now that I know about the law suit I can visualize
>>>>>lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband how dumb-ass
>>>>>doctor caused it all.
>>>>How did that post make God feel?
>>>Why do you respond to posts that say "lawyer-guy maggot"?
>>Kim, I don't know what sad array of forces conspired to turn you into
>>the person you are, but I don't have any desire to engage in any kind
>>of pleasant or meaningful or polite conversation with anybody who,
>>like you, accused me of pedophilia. So in case that's what you're
>>trying to do, don't bother, okay?
>You already did that when you speculated about my sex life when I was
>underage, sunshine.
Did what?
>I don't need your input to laugh at you, but thanks anyways.
>Kim, pfffft
Leanne wins.
miguel
Mike Given
Now *there's* a big surprise.
Mikey (..she'lll tire of you soon enough..)
miguel
I'll never take the over on Kim again.
>Mikey (..she'lll tire of you soon enough..)
If I ever get dumped for a sax player, it only means MORE STEROIDS.
miguel
Mike Given
>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>August Pamplona wrote:
>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>since lawyer-guy maggots began running their big floppy
>>lips did you and your ink seem to lose your tolerance for
>>what has always been there. The Ten Commandments predates
>>you and lives on. you?
>So are the Vedas. And your point is what, bigot?
Ledford should move right the fuck out of America and straight to
Israel. Or Egypt maybe. Go farm dirt in Sinai. America is for
Americans, not Commandment-preaching, Bible-thumping, ignorant
dickwads that'd rather live life according to standards from the Dark
Ages.
And the real shame of it all is that what he knows about the Bible
wouldn't fill a thimble.
>>it's always funny when one of you atheist shows up outside
>>of one of your atheist news groups to take
>Who let those fuckers out anyway. Shouldn't they be in death
>camps anyway?
Death camps? Naah. What Jim wants is a kind of "Matrix" fantasy;
billions of veggie humans with feeding tubes in them, generating heat
and force-fed Christian-edited holographic Bible propoganda.
>>a shot at a Christian.
>>so what exactly were you doing outside of your atheist
>>news group? looking for something?
>Looky there! Nasty bigot troll added a crosspost to
>alt.religion.christian.
Jim is far too much the chuckle-witted retard to comprehend what a
hypocrite he is, and that god sends hypocrites straight to hell.
Mikey (..waste of perfectly good ASCII.)
Mike Given
>Mike Given wrote:
>>miguel wrote:
>>>kim wrote:
>>>>Kim, pfffft
>>>Leanne wins.
>>Now *there's* a big surprise.
>I'll never take the over on Kim again.
When she led-off with "Why do you respond to posts that say
'lawyer-guy maggot'?" it was a pretty easy call.
If that's what you call an "over", your gambling skills are
a-gittin' weak, old man, and it's high-time I started taking your
money; feel free to bring your Psychic Friends to help you and I'll
take their money too.
>>(..she'lll tire of you soon enough..)
>If I ever get dumped
I'll be expecting that weddin' inviation in the mail any day now.
>for a sax player,
I didn't say nor did i even imply that; Doc C. is probably way too
smart to go anywhere with the likes of me anyways.
>it only means MORE STEROIDS.
Meant to ask what started *that* rumor; saw it in a few posts.
Jose Canseco is my heeero.
Mikey (..or would be, if he wasn't so damn G-A-Y.)
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miguel
>miguel wrote:
>>Mike Given wrote:
>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>kim wrote:
>[..kim is spoiling for an ill-advised flamewar..]
>>>>>Kim, pfffft
>>>>Leanne wins.
>>>Now *there's* a big surprise.
>>I'll never take the over on Kim again.
> When she led-off with "Why do you respond to posts that say
>'lawyer-guy maggot'?" it was a pretty easy call.
> If that's what you call an "over", your gambling skills are
>a-gittin' weak, old man, and it's high-time I started taking your
>money; feel free to bring your Psychic Friends to help you and I'll
>take their money too.
I honestly thought Kim might pause for a second at my post, and not
respond so unreflectively. I must have been possessed by demon hubris.
>>>(..she'lll tire of you soon enough..)
>>If I ever get dumped
>I'll be expecting that weddin' inviation in the mail any day now.
It's, um, a real small wedding.
>>for a sax player,
>I didn't say nor did i even imply that; Doc C. is probably way too
>smart to go anywhere with the likes of me anyways.
Did you figure that out when she said to Sharon B. "hello nilo, you
prancing wall victim." ? Since then we've neither seen nor heard from
Sharon. Good work, Leanne.
And to sharon: hello nilo, you prancing wall victim.
>>it only means MORE STEROIDS.
> Meant to ask what started *that* rumor; saw it in a few posts.
> Jose Canseco is my heeero.
Jeem's kids asked me at a jeemboink. Also, Belgay asked me. I shudder
to remember his look of pure longing. I still sleep with one eye open.
So when faranq made some post in which he said he was too filled with
rage to talk, and directed one and all to READ HIS BLOG, Belgay took
the seque and accused me of being filled with steroid rage.
>Mikey (..or would be, if he wasn't so damn G-A-Y.)
If only there were a separate steroid wing in the hall of fame.
Pete Turk
<jim...@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>yea, showed up with your displayed difficulty you've been
>having with the proper spelling of the His name. Mike, the
>name is spelled Jesus. show some respect for Him and spell
>His name correctly.
>
"lawyer-guy maggot" ?? "dumb-ass doctor" Jim??
These show up with your 'displayed difficulty'
you've been having with the proper spelling of
Their names. Jim, the names are spelt:
L a w y e r
and
D o c t o r
.
Show some respect for Them and spell Their names
correctly.
Oh and try to stop lying when you say you don't
hate Mike, Jim. It doesn't go well with the stone
you just now cast ...
'Sin recognized -- but that -- may
keep us humble,
But oh, it keeps us nasty.'
-- Stevie Smith 'Recognition not Enough'
(Selected Poems, 1964)
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA President and Moonshadow
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
miguel
>In article <4249379D...@bellsouth.net>, Jim Ledford
><jim...@bellsouth.net> writes
>>
>>yea, showed up with your displayed difficulty you've been
>>having with the proper spelling of the His name. Mike, the
>>name is spelled Jesus. show some respect for Him and spell
>>His name correctly.
>>
>
> "lawyer-guy maggot" ?? "dumb-ass doctor" Jim??
>
> These show up with your 'displayed difficulty'
> you've been having with the proper spelling of
> Their names. Jim, the names are spelt:
>
> L a w y e r
>
> and
>
> D o c t o r
>
> .
>
> Show some respect for Them and spell Their names
> correctly.
>
> Oh and try to stop lying when you say you don't
> hate Mike, Jim. It doesn't go well with the stone
> you just now cast ...
It won't do any good. The only person he'll listen to is another
self-righteous xtian.
miguel
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Kim, I will split those Jacks.
>
> Did what?
>
> >I don't need your input to laugh at you, but thanks anyways.
>
> >Kim, pfffft
>
> Leanne wins.
>
Indutiably
> miguel
Jim Ledford
> miguel writes:
> > Pete Turk wrote:
> >> Jim Ledford
> >>>
> >>>yea, showed up with your displayed difficulty you've been
> >>>having with the proper spelling of the His name. Mike, the
> >>>name is spelled Jesus. show some respect for Him and spell
> >>>His name correctly.
> >>>
> >>
> >> "lawyer-guy maggot" ?? "dumb-ass doctor" Jim??
> >>
> >> These show up with your 'displayed difficulty'
> >> you've been having with the proper spelling of
> >> Their names. Jim, the names are spelt:
> >>
> >> L a w y e r
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> D o c t o r
you spell yours the same as mine with the exception of
the big letter up front. Cap - proper noun. one use of many.
.
> >> Show some respect for Them and spell Their names
> >> correctly.
why?
> >>
> >> Oh and try to stop lying when you say you don't
> >> hate Mike, Jim. It doesn't go well with the stone
> >> you just now cast ...
what do you mean "just now cast"? thought I did not see you
slip in late? well pete, you're late. though you did pick
up on the "cast" part pretty good, for being late that's probably
not to bad a showing.
> >
> > It won't do any good. The only person he'll listen to is another
> > self-righteous xtian.
it's Jesus. that's to me and to you.
> >
> > miguel
>
> Too late. Johnnie C is absolutely, 100% NOT ALIVE
Chris Belway! I hope you are doing well
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
> > August Pamplona wrote:
> >>Jim Ledford wrote:
> >
[....]
> >
> > TOLERANCE for your idols has existed for a long time.
[....]
> >
> >>August Pamplona
> >>--
> >>
> >>a.a. # 1811
> >
> >
> > it's always funny when one of you atheist shows up
> > outside of one of your atheist news groups to take
>
> Who let those fuckers out anyway. Shouldn't they be in death
> camps anyway?
they already are and refuse to know it or see it.
God knows your name. God has the hairs on your head
numbered and knows which one is going to be the next
one to fall out. you'll not believe that.
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >miguel wrote:
> >> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >> >miguel wrote:
> >> >> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >> >> >miguel wrote:
> >> >> >> Jim Ledford wrote:
[....]
> >> >> >Eph 6:11
> >> >> >Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
> >> >> >but against principalities, against powers, against
> >> >> >the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> >> >> >spiritual wickedness in high places.
> >> >> >Eph 6:13
[....]
>
> >when lawyers represent atheist who want prayer to
> >Lord God Almighty removed from the public schools
> >then lawyers are serving the ugly nasty world view.
>
> >Mike, I don't hate you, I dislike workers of satan
> >who do the evil of trying to remove The Word of
> >Lord God Almighty from public view.
>
> When your Savior Jesus was nailed to the cross, he prayed that God
> would forgive all those who persecuted him. All these groups you
> identify aren't persecuting you directly, yet you're filled with hate
> for them. Is your religious practice and belief helping you become
> more like Jesus, or less?
a group of flesh lovers seeking to drag down with
them a person you love and you stand by without saying
a word... is that you mike?
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against
the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places.
God loves you now and always but you can't even spell
His name correctly yet you accuse me of hate.
mike, it's to sad to be funny and that's what I was
saying when I previously said mike you are not funny.
accept Jesus
on and by faith
receive love & peace as
you'll never know from a flesh lover.
> miguel
miguel
Jim, there's just one tiny little problem with your attempt to shift
the blame for your hate to me. I didn't start saying "jeebus" until
long after you were going on your hate-filled rants about lawyer-guy,
town-guy, yankee-guy, etc.
That's not the main problem though. You seem to think that being a
good christian requires you to be an angel of retribution, when it
requires precisely the opposite.
>Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
>but against principalities, against powers, against
>the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
>spiritual wickedness in high places.
Does that say how you are supposed to wrestle? No. You imply that it
means fighting as dirty as your enemies fight. That's another mistake
on your part.
>God loves you now and always but you can't even spell
>His name correctly yet you accuse me of hate.
Is this supposed to be some kind of persuasive argument?
>mike, it's to sad to be funny and that's what I was
>saying when I previously said mike you are not funny.
>accept Jesus
>on and by faith
>receive love & peace as
>you'll never know from a flesh lover.
You're spreading hatred in the name of god and jesus, Jim.
Paul Duca
jim...@bellsouth.net wrote on 3/31/05 6:20 AM:
God also knows how little money and material goods He will give us
in the next life...
Paul
kim
wrote:
Of course you will. Only asshats split their tens.
Kim
kim
>Mike Given wrote:
>>miguel wrote:
>>>Mike Given wrote:
>>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>>kim wrote:
>>[..kim is spoiling for an ill-advised flamewar..]
>>>>>>Kim, pfffft
>>>>>Leanne wins.
>>>>Now *there's* a big surprise.
>>>I'll never take the over on Kim again.
>
>> When she led-off with "Why do you respond to posts that say
>>'lawyer-guy maggot'?" it was a pretty easy call.
>> If that's what you call an "over", your gambling skills are
>>a-gittin' weak, old man, and it's high-time I started taking your
>>money; feel free to bring your Psychic Friends to help you and I'll
>>take their money too.
>
>I honestly thought Kim might pause for a second at my post, and not
>respond so unreflectively. I must have been possessed by demon hubris.
Because I paid no mind to you suggesting I would care about you
conversing politely with me means nothing.
Nice to see that I was spot on about you and Leanne though. Your half
assed evasion regarding age was par for the course with you. The only
women you seem to meet come off this news group. How many have given
you a pass? I wonder what that says about Leanne that she took you up
on it where many others have declined?
I doubt you will get dumped, though. She'll prolly fuck around on
your saggy, tired old ass. No amount of exercise will help out the
lack of a soul you have. Bring cash to the party.
Your welcome!
Kim
(snippero a pair of tired old men wanking over a young'n)
miguel
>Your welcome!
>Kim
Leanne, since today's your birthday, could I do some wanking over you
later?
Kim seems upset.
miguel
Mike Given
>kim wrote:
>>miguel wrote:
>>>Mike Given wrote:
>>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>>Mike Given wrote:
>>>>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>>>>kim wrote:
>>>>[..kim is spoiling for an ill-advised flamewar..]
>>>>>>>>Kim, pfffft
>>>>>>>Leanne wins.
>>>>>>Now *there's* a big surprise.
>>>>>I'll never take the over on Kim again.
>>>>When she led-off with "Why do you respond to posts that say
>>>>'lawyer-guy maggot'?" it was a pretty easy call.
>>>>If that's what you call an "over", your gambling skills are
>>>>a-gittin' weak, old man, and it's high-time I started taking
>>>>your money; feel free to bring your Psychic Friends to help
>>>>you and I'll take their money too.
>>>I honestly thought Kim might pause for a second at my post,
>>>and not respond so unreflectively. I must have been possessed
>>>by demon hubris.
>>Because I paid no mind to you suggesting I would care about you
>>conversing politely with me means nothing.
Sucker bet!
>>Nice to see that I was spot on about you and Leanne though.
Sucker bet!
>>Your half assed evasion regarding age was par for the course
>>with you.
Sucker bet!
>>The only women you seem to meet come off this news group.
Sucker bet!
>>How many have given you a pass?
I'll give odds on *that* one. Wanna play percent or just a straight
number?
>>I wonder what that says about Leanne that she took you up
>>on it where many others have declined?
Sucker bet!
>>I doubt you will get dumped, though. She'll prolly fuck around
>>on your saggy, tired old ass.
Miguel, here's your golden opportunity to post a picture of your
butt on teh Usenet. Tell Belgay not to look.
>>(snippero a pair of tired old men wanking over a young'n)
Kim, you're complete fucking idiocy astounds me.
Well, okay, it really doesn't, but you're good for a chuckle,
anyways. That you take my sarcastic insinuations at miguel at face
value is pretty funny; that you take my sarcastic insinuations at
Leanne at face value is incredibly stupid and at least a little bit
pompous. But I'm very used to you're being a pompous ass, so no skin
lost over *that* anyway.
>Leanne, since today's your birthday, could I do some wanking
>over you later?
So much for telling Belgay not to look.
>Kim seems upset.
If Kim is feeling left out, I could always do some wanking over
slapping my turgid knob on her chin.
Or at the very least, Kim could do some wanking about *anyone*
banging their turgid knob on her chin.
Mikey (..I'm all for freedom of choice and sexual equality here.)
Mrs. John Carrick
I would also split those tens-I'd want the whole table, playing to
make the grade 12 dealer go over 21. Otherwise I jst would not play.
My husband John and I used to go to the casino a lot-he died December
25, 1999. He was deadwood in the classroom, now he's just dead.
miguel
>miguel wrote:
>>kim wrote:
>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>Mike Given wrote:
>>>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>>>Mike Given wrote:
>>>>>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>>>>>kim wrote:
>>>>>[..kim is spoiling for an ill-advised flamewar..]
For Kim, that's always redundant.
>>>>>>>>>Kim, pfffft
>>>>>>>>Leanne wins.
>>>>>>>Now *there's* a big surprise.
>>>>>>I'll never take the over on Kim again.
>>>>>When she led-off with "Why do you respond to posts that say
>>>>>'lawyer-guy maggot'?" it was a pretty easy call.
>>>>>If that's what you call an "over", your gambling skills are
>>>>>a-gittin' weak, old man, and it's high-time I started taking
>>>>>your money; feel free to bring your Psychic Friends to help
>>>>>you and I'll take their money too.
>>>>I honestly thought Kim might pause for a second at my post,
>>>>and not respond so unreflectively. I must have been possessed
>>>>by demon hubris.
>>>Because I paid no mind to you suggesting I would care about you
>>>conversing politely with me means nothing.
>Sucker bet!
I'm guessing she intends some insult there, but when she can't even
speak english it's hard to get the gist of it.
>>>Nice to see that I was spot on about you and Leanne though.
>Sucker bet!
She's like Miss Cleo.
>>>Your half assed evasion regarding age was par for the course
>>>with you.
>Sucker bet!
I rarely feel compelled to divulge my innermost secrets to people who
appear indistinguishable from mushrooms.
>>>The only women you seem to meet come off this news group.
>Sucker bet!
Does anybody know how/where Kim met Chuckles, her slack-jawed husband?
At least he made an honest woman out of her.
*smirk*
>>>How many have given you a pass?
>I'll give odds on *that* one. Wanna play percent or just a straight
>number?
Just check the past issues of the alt.love.steve-chaney newsletter.
They had quite a mailing list going for some time. At one point Steve
was trying to get them all to participate in a DOS attack on
pat-acceptance.org, but some of the members of the
alt.love.steve-chaney cabal had the sense to realize steve's scheme
was illegal. It didn't stop steve from doing it, though.
>>>I wonder what that says about Leanne that she took you up
>>>on it where many others have declined?
>Sucker bet!
I wonder what it says about Rauni that Aaron Kulkis wouldn't fuck her.
Inference class is hard.
>>>I doubt you will get dumped, though. She'll prolly fuck around
>>>on your saggy, tired old ass.
>Miguel, here's your golden opportunity to post a picture of your
>butt on teh Usenet. Tell Belgay not to look.
Beg some more, sax boy.
>>>(snippero a pair of tired old men wanking over a young'n)
>Kim, you're complete fucking idiocy astounds me.
>Well, okay, it really doesn't, but you're good for a chuckle,
>anyways. That you take my sarcastic insinuations at miguel at face
>value is pretty funny; that you take my sarcastic insinuations at
>Leanne at face value is incredibly stupid and at least a little bit
>pompous. But I'm very used to you're being a pompous ass, so no skin
>lost over *that* anyway.
>>Leanne, since today's your birthday, could I do some wanking
>>over you later?
>So much for telling Belgay not to look.
>>Kim seems upset.
>If Kim is feeling left out, I could always do some wanking over
>slapping my turgid knob on her chin.
>Or at the very least, Kim could do some wanking about *anyone*
>banging their turgid knob on her chin.
You'd make a good wing man.
>Mikey (..I'm all for freedom of choice and sexual equality here.)
I'm for euthanasia.
miguel
catbr...@yahoo.com
Jim Ledford wrote:
> miguel wrote:
>
> > Jim Ledford wrote:
> > >John Templeton wrote:
> >
> > >> If this is true, then I don't feel sorry for her at all...I mean
> > >> bulimia? How stupid do you have to be to be bulemic?
> >
> > >insecure female who wants to be with fornicator male.
> > >it's a short lived stupid or we could say it's the stupid
> > >that causes the short life.
> >
> > >now that I know about the law suit I can visualize
> > >lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband how dumb-ass
> > >doctor caused it all.
> >
> > How did that post make God feel?
>
>
> Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
> but against principalities, against powers, against
> the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> spiritual wickedness in high places.
>
> Eph 6:13
All of which (those pesky demons and principalities) are all in your
head. Bulemia, like an on-line addiction to misogynistic posting or
religious zealotry, are caused by mental and emotional disorders. They
can all be treated and cured.
As for lawyers and doctors, most of them are highly ethical people.
Many of our Founders were lawyers and at least one, Dr. Benjamin Rush,
was a doctor. Try not to let your bigotry show too much.
Cat
kim
wrote:
Of course you would think so. You think drug dealers are cool.
> Well, okay, it really doesn't, but you're good for a chuckle,
>anyways. That you take my sarcastic insinuations at miguel at face
>value is pretty funny; that you take my sarcastic insinuations at
>Leanne at face value is incredibly stupid and at least a little bit
>pompous. But I'm very used to you're being a pompous ass, so no skin
>lost over *that* anyway.
Suuuuuuuure. Mike can't get anyone to look at him sideways in RL, but
is always good for hustling women on Usenet.
His little drunken tag team with her with Mr. Netiquette was funny.
Every time you clowns call me stupid and say crap like "I knew you'd
do that" only shows how totally out of it and clueless you are.
>>Leanne, since today's your birthday, could I do some wanking
>>over you later?
>
> So much for telling Belgay not to look.
>
>>Kim seems upset.
Of course you'd like to think so - the man who fucks around on Usenet
instead of having a life. It isn't like I do anything more than pop
in and insult you/laugh at you for a minute out of my bizzy day. You,
OTOH, have nothing else to do.
I'll spell it out for you: You aren't worth the effort it would take
to get upset. I'll go away now for another few weeks (life is a
calling!) and you sit here and wait for me. I know you will. You
have nothing else to do.
> If Kim is feeling left out, I could always do some wanking over
>slapping my turgid knob on her chin.
Have some more drugs, boy. I am surprised your drug dealing friends
allow you around. You are bad advertising.
> Or at the very least, Kim could do some wanking about *anyone*
>banging their turgid knob on her chin.
LOL! Then again, maybe they gave you bad drugs in the hopes you would
go away.
>Mikey (..I'm all for freedom of choice and sexual equality here.)
Gotta be something when you get nothing.
See ya in a few weeks!
Kim
kim
(Steve Chaney, still taunting the happy fun ball) wrote:
>In <p52k4116f3uag1aq8...@4ax.com>, kim
><kimonne...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:36:30 -0800, miguel <the...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>kim <kimonne...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:18:45 -0800, miguel <the...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>>>>>John Templeton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If this is true, then I don't feel sorry for her at all...I mean
>>>>>>> bulimia? How stupid do you have to be to be bulemic?
>>>>>
>>>>>>insecure female who wants to be with fornicator male.
>>>>>>it's a short lived stupid or we could say it's the stupid
>>>>>>that causes the short life.
>>>>>
>>>>>>now that I know about the law suit I can visualize
>>>>>>lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband how dumb-ass
>>>>>>doctor caused it all.
>>>>>
>>>>>How did that post make God feel?
>>>>
>>>>Why do you respond to posts that say "lawyer-guy maggot"?
>>>
>>>Kim, I don't know what sad array of forces conspired to turn you into
>>>the person you are, but I don't have any desire to engage in any kind
>>>of pleasant or meaningful or polite conversation with anybody who,
>>>like you, accused me of pedophilia. So in case that's what you're
>>>trying to do, don't bother, okay?
>>
>>You already did that when you speculated about my sex life when I was
>>underage, sunshine.
>
>What, midget man Cranston is whining and crying about being falsely
>accused? It isn't like he hasn't begged for nudie videos from women who
>habitually falsely accuse people or that he hasn't falsely accused people
>of stuff himself.
He's a fucking idiot. All he's got is Usenet.
Let him whine and cry. It keeps him busy.
>The moment midgetboy launches a defamation suit he's going to be buried
>under so many countersuits that he'll be a resovoir of oil by the time the
>courts get done sorting it out.
He won't. Most (if not all) of us have copies of his wit filed away
just in case he does do something really idiotic.
Besides, all one has to do is trot the "Tammy Chaney" incident out and
game over.
Hope you and yours are well....
Kim
miguel
>> Kim, your complete fucking idiocy astounds me.
> Of course you would think so. You think drug dealers are cool.
Well, she sure got ya there Mikey.
>>>Kim seems upset.
> Kim
Mikey, why can't a couple of normal guys like us ever just have a normal
friendly conversation on usenet without some retard butting in and
trying to make it all about her?
WELL?
miguel
miguel
>Steve Chaney wrote:
snip
>Hope you and yours are well....
Better to hope for something realistic.
Example: Hope you and yours are medicated....
HTH
miguel
miguel
> See ya in a few weeks!
Next time you're PMSing?
Kim, why do you only post when you're PMSing? Try to post when you're
not PMSing sometime, and maybe you won't seem quite so retarded and
emotionally volatile.
HTH PMS girl.
miguel
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
> > miguel wrote:
> >
> > > Jim Ledford wrote:
> > > >John Templeton wrote:
> > >
> > > >> If this is true, then I don't feel sorry for her at all...I mean
> > > >> bulimia? How stupid do you have to be to be bulemic?
> > >
> > > >insecure female who wants to be with fornicator male.
> > > >it's a short lived stupid or we could say it's the stupid
> > > >that causes the short life.
> > >
> > > >now that I know about the law suit I can visualize
> > > >lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband how dumb-ass
> > > >doctor caused it all.
> > >
> > > How did that post make God feel?
> >
> > Eph 6:11
> >
> > Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
> > but against principalities, against powers, against
> > the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> > spiritual wickedness in high places.
> >
> > Eph 6:13
>
> All of which (those pesky demons and principalities) are all in your
> head. Bulemia, like an on-line addiction to misogynistic posting or
> religious zealotry, are caused by mental and emotional disorders. They
> can all be treated and cured.
> As for lawyers and doctors, most of them are highly ethical people.
> Many of our Founders were lawyers and at least one, Dr. Benjamin Rush,
> was a doctor.
cat, the topic is once again fornication. the last time
the topic was fornication you weighted in heavy on the
side of fornication. I've let you be since then. do
you cat understand the voice in your head, the one you
listened to just before you decided to weight in again
on the side of fornication?
> Try not to let your bigotry show too much.
sad how in modern day Sodom and Gomorrah the non believers
will unknowingly lash out with their bigotry.
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >miguel wrote:
> >> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >> >miguel wrote:
> >> >> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >> >> >miguel wrote:
> >> >> >> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >> >> >> >miguel wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Jim Ledford wrote:
>
[....]
>
> >God loves you now and always but you can't even spell
> >His name correctly yet you accuse me of hate.
>
> Is this supposed to be some kind of persuasive argument?
>
> >mike, it's to sad to be funny and that's what I was
> >saying when I previously said mike you are not funny.
>
> >accept Jesus
> >on and by faith
> >receive love & peace as
> >you'll never know from a flesh lover.
>
> You're spreading hatred in the name of god and jesus, Jim.
NO. your perception is not mine.
mike, you are as you are and if you feel hate in the
Word then I can only suggest you look towards God for
your answers.
miguel
How many people have you saved on usenet now?
How many people have you alienated?
What is your goal?
Jim Ledford
self serving fornication?
or
?
Pete Turk
<jim...@bellsouth.net> writes
<Translation>
JIM LEAR: The fitchew nor the soiled horse goes to 't
With a more riotous appetite.
Down from the waist they are Centaurs,
Though women all above:
But to the girdle do the gods inherit,
Beneath is all the fiends':
There's hell, there's darkness, there is the
sulphurous pit,
Burning, scalding, stench, consumption; fie,
fie, fie, pah, pah! Give me an ounce of
civet, good apothecary, to sweeten my
imagination; there's money for thee.
GLOUCESTER:
O! let me kiss that hand!
JIM LEAR: Let me wipe it first; it smells of mortality.
</Translation>
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA President and Moonshadow
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
catbr...@yahoo.com
I thought it was lawyers? Are you obsessed with fornications?
> the last time
> the topic was fornication you weighted in heavy on the
> side of fornication.
That would be human freedom.
> I've let you be since then. do
> you cat understand the voice in your head, the one you
> listened to just before you decided to weight in again
> on the side of fornication?
Please don't try to manipulate this discussion.
> > Try not to let your bigotry show too much.
>
>
> sad how in modern day Sodom and Gomorrah the non believers
> will unknowingly lash out with their bigotry.
I do not care how you and your fellow travelors chose to live. I care
that you attempt to force your medieval values on the rest of us.
Cat
Jim Ledford
no. it was about a girl who had some problems with
her eating habits. what most women who have received
treatment did reveal is, bulimia relates to a
mental disorder concerning how the victim of bulimia
is seeing herself in her own reality of her physical
existence. it's the viewing of ones self first resulting
in an over awareness in matters relating to worldly desires
which are the default mode of operation for people who live
by only the laws of this world.
I decided the title should reflect how the entire ordeal
was made public by lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband
how dumb-ass doctor caused it all. using that specific
terminology would ensure mike would rise up and seek revenge.
see cat, mike is about revenge and I decided he needed to look
at his need to react as his track record shows.
> Are you obsessed with fornications?
no.
>
> > the last time
> > the topic was fornication you weighted in heavy on the
> > side of fornication.
>
> That would be human freedom.
choice is a gift from God.
choice is freedom. freewill is a choice.
>
> > I've let you be since then. do
> > you cat understand the voice in your head, the one you
> > listened to just before you decided to weight in again
> > on the side of fornication?
>
> Please don't try to manipulate this discussion.
you felt somehow manipulated?
>
> > > Try not to let your bigotry show too much.
> >
> >
> > sad how in modern day Sodom and Gomorrah the non believers
> > will unknowingly lash out with their bigotry.
>
> I do not care how you and your fellow travelors chose to live.
really?
> I care
> that you attempt to force your medieval values on the rest of us.
I got nothing to force on you and your kind cat.
I do have The Lord Jesus. I'd like to tell you cat, Jesus,
He can set you free in ways that are far beyond what we could
ever understand on our own power.
Jesus, He loves you cat, that's what I got to say to all and
you too cat.
as for forcing medieval values on you or anyone else, cat I can
only remind you I was content at leaving you be to your own. you
were not mentioned by name by me, yet you come after me.
have a nice day cat,
Jim
>
> Cat
JohnCarrick
wrote:
<Silliness mercifully snipped>
Notice: this hairlipped, one-armed, Tibetan lesbian is a poseure and
was never married to John Carrick. She is, in fact, a fugitive from
a S. Carolina chain-gang, whose habit it is to come in late to parties
with her hair on fire.
miguel
>>>>Eph 6:11
>>>>Eph 6:13
It's weird that Jim would think God created us as perfect images of
Himself and that somehow God screwed up by making us horny.
Jim, did God make a mistake?
Jim Ledford
>
[....]
>
> It's weird that Jim would think God created us as perfect images of
> Himself and that somehow God screwed up by making us horny.
are you blaming God for your life being as it is?
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into
an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted
beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between
themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped
and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed
forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
for even their women did change the natural use into that which
is against nature:
miguel
> [....]
Dear Doctor Bibleverse:
I know a guy on the usenet who recently claims to have become a
christian. He spouts bible verses all the time at people. But his
behavior hasn't changed at all from before he was a christian to now.
Do you have any bible verses you could recommend that I bleat at him
over and over and over?
Yours truly,
miguel
catbr...@yahoo.com
But how does her eating disorder relate to "fornication?" Our "worldly
desires" are natural and healthy. As for "the laws of this world",
there are no other laws. The Biblical "laws" in the Old Testament were
written by men. We can even date when and where some of those laws were
first written down.
> I decided the title should reflect how the entire ordeal
> was made public by lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband
> how dumb-ass doctor caused it all. using that specific
> terminology would ensure mike would rise up and seek revenge.
> see cat, mike is about revenge and I decided he needed to look
> at his need to react as his track record shows.
And so, in a very un-Christian-like fashion, your post was a
provocation of another of "God's children?" Remember, I was raised a
Lutheran. I am not a stranger to all this mumbo-jumbo.
> > Are you obsessed with fornications?
>
> no.
Are you sure? You seem to focus on it a lot.
> > > the last time
> > > the topic was fornication you weighted in heavy on the
> > > side of fornication.
> >
> > That would be human freedom.
>
> choice is a gift from God.
> choice is freedom. freewill is a choice.
The urge to breed is in-built in us. Our desires are connected to the
need to breed mechanism.
> > > I've let you be since then. do
> > > you cat understand the voice in your head, the one you
> > > listened to just before you decided to weight in again
> > > on the side of fornication?
> >
> > Please don't try to manipulate this discussion.
>
> you felt somehow manipulated?
Don't tell me that I do not consider when and what I will post. And
please do not pretend to know what that "little voice" in my head says
to me. I am not one of your sheepish and obedient Christian housewives
waiting to be told what to think by her male overloards.
> > > > Try not to let your bigotry show too much.
> > >
> > >
> > > sad how in modern day Sodom and Gomorrah the non believers
> > > will unknowingly lash out with their bigotry.
> >
> > I do not care how you and your fellow travelors chose to live.
>
> really?
Really. Why should I? You can sell your daughters into slavery or stone
them to death (as the Bible instructs) all you want. But you will not
make me submit to your brand of religious despotism.
> > I care
> > that you attempt to force your medieval values on the rest of us.
>
> I got nothing to force on you and your kind cat.
No? I saw that evil man, Randle Terry of Operation Rescue, screaming
and ranting on television over the Terry Shaivo thing. That was
hideous. George Bush and Tom DeLay are hideous hypocrites. You can't
tell me that Christian Fundamentalists are not trying to take over the
world!
> I do have The Lord Jesus.
No you don't! You have an image of him formulated from your selective
reading and the image implanted by poorly educated clerics. Jesus of
Nazareth is and will remain an elusive historical character.
> Jesus, He loves you cat, that's what I got to say to all and
> you too cat.
Well all I have to say is that I've seen Randle Terry, Pat Robertson,
Jerry Falwell and their ilk and if they represent Jesus, I want nothing
of it.
> as for forcing medieval values on you or anyone else, cat I can
> only remind you I was content at leaving you be to your own. you
> were not mentioned by name by me, yet you come after me.
Oh please - this is a public forum. All are free to speak here and
state their opinions. It just so happens that I have been very busy
with my own life and haven't had much time for posting.
> have a nice day cat,
> Jim
I had a very unpleasant night. First, I was alone, my boyfriend being
back in his place and I in mine. Secondly, I ate some spicey food that
didn't sit well with me and I drank too much wine.
I hope your morning is going better.
Cat
Mike Given
>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>cat wrote:
>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>>>cat wrote:
>>>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>>>>>miguel wrote:
>>>>>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>>>>>>>John Templeton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>How stupid do you have to be to be bulemic?
>>>>>>>>insecure female who wants to be with fornicator male.
>>>>>>>>it's a short lived stupid or we could say it's the
>>>>>>>>stupid that causes the short life.
>>>>>>>>now that I know about the law suit I can visualize
>>>>>>>>lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband how dumb-ass
>>>>>>>>doctor caused it all.
>>>>>>>How did that post make God feel?
I *do* so wish he'd go and find out in person.
Assuming, of course, he's actually headed in that direction, which
seems more unlikely all the time.
>>>>>>Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
>>>>>>but against principalities, against powers, against
>>>>>>the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
>>>>>>spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians, eh?
Let's have a peek at Ephesians 4:29-32, shall we?
"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that
which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto
the hearers."
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto
the day of redemption."
"Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil
speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:"
"And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one
another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."
Somebody here is a pretty piss-poor excuse for a christian - failing
the tests of Ephesians by using terms like "lawyer-maggot" and such
most miserably.
I fail that test myself, of course, but I'm not the Bible-thumping
hypocrite *some* people are around here.
>>>>>All of which (those pesky demons and principalities) are
>>>>>all in your head. Bulemia, like an on-line addiction to
>>>>>misogynistic posting or religious zealotry, are caused by
>>>>>mental and emotional disorders. They can all be treated
>>>>>and cured.
Slight correction: only some mental and emotional disorders can be
cured. The treatment for quite some several still eludes medical
science. As to Biblical treatments, bullemia wasn't much of a
problem; starvation and fasting are another matter. Now if ya wanna
play a little "fast and loose" with Biblical interpretation (..as Jim
often does..) we can turn to Matthew, chapter 5, which proclaims:
"And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from
thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should
perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell."
If it's okay to chop off your own hand for giving offense (..and who
of us that've ever masturbated should have both hands in tact, I ask
ya..) then purposely barfing because your body "offends" you would
pretty much fall right in step with staying out of hell, such as it
is.
>>>>>As for lawyers and doctors, most of them are highly ethical
>>>>>people. Many of our Founders were lawyers and at least one, Dr.
>>>>>Benjamin Rush, was a doctor.
>>>>cat, the topic is once again fornication.
>>> I thought it was lawyers?
I thought it was bulemia. Adult Attention Deficiency Disorder is a
terrible, terrible disease. Then again, so is plain-old retardeness,
but who's counting?
>>no. it was about a girl who had some problems with
>>her eating habits.
Whups - back to bulemia again.
>>what most women who have received treatment did reveal is,
>>bulimia relates to a mental disorder concerning how the
>>victim of bulimia is seeing herself in her own reality of
>>her physical existence.
See above reference to Matthew 5:30. It's not a mental disorder,
it's her religious right to cast off that which offends her.
Jesus H GoatHumper, Jim; if you're going to construct a religious
troll thread, at least get your Biblical ducks in row. Dumbass.
>>it's the viewing of ones self first resulting in an over
>>awareness in matters relating to worldly desires which are
>>the default mode of operation for people who live by only
>>the laws of this world.
I can point out several posts in which Jim Ledford blatently and
cruelly makes fun of fat people.
Jim Ledford is now, and has always been, an instrument of the Devil.
His blatent disregard for others, his overwhelming hypocrisy, and his
deliberate use of the Bible to lead others into selfish, sinful ways
all point to an evil, unrepentant villian.
>But how does her eating disorder relate to "fornication?"
Jim thinks that Terri's not wanting to be fat is a result of her
wishing to be more desirable along the lines of being fuckable. Jim
has a problem with insensitivty towards overweight people.
>Our "worldly desires" are natural and healthy.
Not all of them are. Some of mine certainly aren't.
>As for "the laws of this world", there are no other laws.
Oh, but there *are*. We barely got ourselves a foothold into laws
of physics as yet, and there's plenty of laws in that area where we
need lots of clarification.
>The Biblical "laws" in the Old Testament were written by men.
So too are those codifications of the New Testament.
>We can even date when and where some of those laws were
>first written down.
Some of them appear in religious documents other than the Bible.
>>I decided the title should reflect how the entire ordeal
>>was made public by lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband
>>how dumb-ass doctor caused it all. using that specific
>>terminology would ensure mike would rise up and seek revenge.
>>see cat, mike is about revenge and I decided he needed to look
>>at his need to react as his track record shows.
>And so, in a very un-Christian-like fashion, your post was a
>provocation of another of "God's children?"
Just wait'll he decides this thread needs to be crossposted to
alt.religion.christian again.
>Remember, I was raised a Lutheran.
I'm an ex-Roman Catholic.
>I am not a stranger to all this mumbo-jumbo.
I was an altar boy.
(..no, *really*, I was. No foolin'.)
>>>Are you obsessed with fornications?
>>no.
Liar. God sends liars straight to hell.
>Are you sure? You seem to focus on it a lot.
He still thinks his mom is a virgin.
>>>>the last time the topic was fornication you weighted in
>>>>heavy on the side of fornication.
My kinda gal.
>>>That would be human freedom.
>>choice is a gift from God.
>>choice is freedom. freewill is a choice.
>The urge to breed is in-built in us.
Yes, but there's a great stonking difference between instinct and
ethics; maintaining a balance between the two can be downright
difficult sometimes.
>Our desires are connected to the need to breed mechanism.
Well, *some* of them are, anyway. I like to think that at least
some desires have some more altruistic influences.
>>>>I've let you be since then. do
>>>>you cat understand the voice in your head, the one you
>>>>listened to just before you decided to weight in again
>>>>on the side of fornication?
>>>Please don't try to manipulate this discussion.
>>you felt somehow manipulated?
>Don't tell me that I do not consider when and what I will
>ost. And please do not pretend to know what that "little
>voice" in my head says to me. I am not one of your sheepish
>and obedient Christian housewives waiting to be told what
>to think by her male overloards.
The question is more about what you can be persuaded to think.
>>>>>Try not to let your bigotry show too much.
Sheeeeyah, *right*.
>>>I care that you attempt to force your medieval values
>>>on the rest of us.
>>I got nothing to force on you and your kind cat.
>No? I saw that evil man, Randle Terry of Operation Rescue,
>screaming and ranting on television over the Terry Shaivo
>thing. That was hideous. George Bush and Tom DeLay are
>hideous hypocrites. You can't tell me that Christian
>Fundamentalists are not trying to take over the world!
Geez, I mean, they've only been trying since the Dark Ages.
>>I do have The Lord Jesus.
>No you don't! You have an image of him formulated from
>your selective reading and the image implanted by poorly
>educated clerics.
Here's my image of Jesus:
http://www.gipco.org/buddy.jpg
>Jesus of Nazareth is and will remain an elusive historical
>character.
Dunno about *that*, though historical accounts more often refer to
him by his non-Latinized name.
>>Jesus, He loves you cat, that's what I got to say to all
>>and you too cat.
Does he love lawyer-maggot guys too?
>Well all I have to say is that I've seen Randle Terry, Pat
>Robertson, Jerry Falwell and their ilk and if they represent
>Jesus, I want nothing of it.
Those cultist, money-grubbing morons should be thrown from the
temple and beaten - just like old Rabbi Yeshua did.
>>as for forcing medieval values on you or anyone else,
>>cat I can only remind you I was content at leaving you
>>be to your own. you were not mentioned by name by me,
>>yet you come after me.
Cat, you big meanie-head, you.
[...]
>I had a very unpleasant night. First, I was alone, my
>boyfriend being back in his place and I in mine.
Not much danger of fornication there, eh?
>Secondly, I ate some spicey food that didn't sit well
>with me and I drank too much wine.
Then you should have barfed it back up!
>I hope your morning is going better.
Fortunately, it's almost "Miller-time" here, but I don't drink
Miller, so it's soon to be "The Yeungling-Cuervo Comedy Hour" for me.
Mikey (..okay, maybe *two* hours.)
Admiral Canader
Toller Cranston,
I cannot help you-what verse would you recommend for future Lamers out
on parole after 10 years who get pulled over by the cops for having an
unregistered vehicle and who are contemplating pulling a gun on the
cops? Lamer tried that, was shot in the temple, died, and was cuffed.
Lamer's dead.
ps joan griffinTHAL---> STUPID
Jim Ledford
miguel
>Mike you have a nice day and remember Lord Jesus loves you.
You're the last of the least and the least of the last?
What about those lawyer-guy maggots?
What about the fornicators?
Are you below them?
How about the town-guys?
How about the yankee-guys?
Are you really below all of those people you've been spewing your
hatred at?
Do you think that you can stake your claim to christian superiority
again by paraphrasing a bible verse that is inconsistent with pretty
much all of your behavior?
miguel
the Danimal
Religious zealotry can be treated and cured?
"You can argue with an opinion, but you must shoot a conviction."
-- T.E. Lawrence, A.K.A. Lawrence of Arabia
How about an addiction to supporting terrorism? Can that be
treated and cured?
> > > > > As for lawyers and doctors, most of them are highly ethical
people.
> > > > > Many of our Founders were lawyers and at least one, Dr.
Benjamin Rush,
> > > > > was a doctor.
We have government of the lawyers, by the lawyers, and for
the lawyers. Acting on behalf of the people, where the interests
of people do not conflict with the interests of lawyers.
It's normal for people like Jim to envy lawyers, what with
their sharp suits, silver tongues, rippling "miguels," fast
gaswasters, dazzling trophy babes, and unwavering belief
in the accuracy of gypsy fortunellers.
> > > > cat, the topic is once again fornication.
Did someone say "fornication"? I'm there!
> > > I thought it was lawyers?
Lawyers work tirelessly to keep the world safe for fornication.
As well as to make the payments on their sports cars that
enable them to fornicate.
> > no. it was about a girl who had some problems with
> > her eating habits. what most women who have received
> > treatment did reveal is, bulimia relates to a
> > mental disorder concerning how the victim of bulimia
> > is seeing herself in her own reality of her physical
> > existence. it's the viewing of ones self first resulting
> > in an over awareness in matters relating to worldly desires
> > which are the default mode of operation for people who live
> > by only the laws of this world.
>
> But how does her eating disorder relate to "fornication?"
Bulemia can happen when a woman with the eating disorder
of gluttony gets too fat to fit into the sports cars of successful
attorneys thereby disqualifying her as a promising candidate for
fornication, and she is also too dumb to realize she can eat
all she wants while staying built for sin if she rides a bicycle
twenty miles per Big Mac.
> Our "worldly desires" are natural and healthy.
What is healthy about feeling urges to support terrorism?
> As for "the laws of this world",
> there are no other laws. The Biblical "laws" in the Old Testament
were
> written by men. We can even date when and where some of those laws
were
> first written down.
More importantly, we can even date when and where various Christian
sects decided to stop obeying some of them.
The laws in the Bible have been under constant revision and
re-interpretation since they first appeared. God can't do much
about this because, apparently, God is dead.
For example, working on the sabbath used to be punishable by death,
just like men having sex with men was. Today you can find a full
range of compliance with the sabbath law among people who claim
to believe the Bible, from outright rejection to strict adherence
and everything in between. But even the strict believers stop short
of killing sabbath violators, as far as I know.
> > I decided the title should reflect how the entire ordeal
> > was made public by lawyer-guy maggot explaining to husband
> > how dumb-ass doctor caused it all. using that specific
> > terminology would ensure mike would rise up and seek revenge.
> > see cat, mike is about revenge and I decided he needed to look
> > at his need to react as his track record shows.
>
> And so, in a very un-Christian-like fashion, your post was a
> provocation of another of "God's children?" Remember, I was raised a
> Lutheran. I am not a stranger to all this mumbo-jumbo.
What caused you to lose your faith?
Whatever that was, could you isolate that factor and
inject it into Ledford's mind?
A person's beliefs result from some mental process. Most people
who argue their beliefs tend to just repeatedly assert what
they currently believe. This isn't very persuasive to other
people whose brains have undergone different processes leading
to different beliefs. From the standpoint of persuasion, the
final results are usually not as important as the process
that led to them. But most people forget about the processes
they have undergone and focus exclusively on where they are now.
(Try to remember exactly how you learned to speak English. It's
a lot easier just to speak English. That's why most people suck
at teaching and persuasion.)
It's sort of like talking about a town one is in without
ever telling someone who is far away how to get there.
> > > Are you obsessed with fornications?
> >
> > no.
Yes.
> Are you sure? You seem to focus on it a lot.
And who wouldn't.
> > > > the last time
> > > > the topic was fornication you weighted in heavy on the
> > > > side of fornication.
> > >
> > > That would be human freedom.
Freedom to fornicate!
> > choice is a gift from God.
> > choice is freedom. freewill is a choice.
Freedom is slavery.
Orwell was an author.
I will NewSpeak to you.
> The urge to breed is in-built in us. Our desires are connected to the
> need to breed mechanism.
More specifically: in each generation, the more successful
breeders' offspring account for a disproportionately large
share of the next generation.
Since variation is part of every species, some individuals
will be more inclined to breeding than others. The ones
who are less inclined are less likely to pass on their genes.
Therefore, over time, there will be sustained selection in
favor of genes that program their survival machines to breed.
> > > > I've let you be since then. do
> > > > you cat understand the voice in your head, the one you
> > > > listened to just before you decided to weight in again
> > > > on the side of fornication?
> > >
> > > Please don't try to manipulate this discussion.
> >
> > you felt somehow manipulated?
Humans are always manipulated by the memes and genes they
carry. It's only a question of how internally consistent
the various manipulations are.
A person who feels torn between two strong urges---for
example, the urge to be reasonable vs. the urge to believe
in fairy tales; or to choose another random example, the
urge to have easy convenient mobility vs. the urge to
avoid shoveling money to America's sworn enemies---
experiences less emotional tranquility than a person
whose urges are all logically consistent.
One danger sign for a belief system is the troubling question.
The easier and more obvious the troubling questions are, and
the more hysterically one reacts to them (or simply flees from
them), the more poorly one's belief system works.
It's not only very easy to pose troubling questions to someone
in the fundamentalist Christian camp, or in the gaswasting
terrorism support camp, it's nearly unavoidable.
Reality itself is a troubling question for fundamentalists
as well as for gaswasting terrorist supporters.
Most people react to troubling questions by feeling troubled.
They display classic signs of a stress reaction. This is
strikingly obvious during face-to-face conversations.
Accordingly, for the victim of a belief system so prone to
troubling, a necessary ongoing maintenance effort is to do
whatever it takes to suppress troubling questions. They must
congregate frequently with fellow victims and reinforce their
beliefs with various forms of ritual chanting, singing,
recreational driving, etc.
In contrast, a person with a logically consistent belief system
does not require continuous social reinforcement to sustain his
beliefs. All he needs is reality, which is continuously available
already. He doesn't get upset by troubling questions because
no one can pose any.
> Don't tell me that I do not consider when and what I will post. And
> please do not pretend to know what that "little voice" in my head
says
> to me. I am not one of your sheepish and obedient Christian
housewives
> waiting to be told what to think by her male overloards.
Jim seems to think you should exchange whatever is manipulating
you for whatever is manipulating Jim. Surely you wouldn't dream
of rejecting such an obviously compelling offer.
> > > > > Try not to let your bigotry show too much.
> > > >
> > > > sad how in modern day Sodom and Gomorrah the non believers
> > > > will unknowingly lash out with their bigotry.
> > >
> > > I do not care how you and your fellow travelors chose to live.
> >
> > really?
>
> Really. Why should I? You can sell your daughters into slavery or
stone
> them to death (as the Bible instructs) all you want.
Really?
What if Jim lived next door to you? Would you still refrain
from calling child services if you saw him selling his
daughters into slavery or stoning them to death?
I'm wondering if proximity matters here. It's easy not to
care what happens to people in, say, the Darfur region of
Sudan, when we don't know any of them personally and we
lack the means to influence them much anyway. But when you
see evildoers in your neighborhood, one feels more vulnerable
to being similarly victimized.
> But you will not
> make me submit to your brand of religious despotism.
Show us your boobs or the terrorists win!
> > > I care
> > > that you attempt to force your medieval values on the rest of us.
> >
> > I got nothing to force on you and your kind cat.
>
> No? I saw that evil man, Randle Terry of Operation Rescue, screaming
> and ranting on television over the Terry Shaivo thing. That was
> hideous. George Bush and Tom DeLay are hideous hypocrites. You can't
> tell me that Christian Fundamentalists are not trying to take over
the
> world!
They have the White House, Congress, and the oilfields of Iraq.
What's left to take over?
> > I do have The Lord Jesus.
>
> No you don't! You have an image of him formulated from your selective
> reading and the image implanted by poorly educated clerics. Jesus of
> Nazareth is and will remain an elusive historical character.
You cannot prove Jim Ledford does not have the Lord Jesus.
You also cannot prove I do not have a talking fish.
> > Jesus, He loves you cat, that's what I got to say to all and
> > you too cat.
>
> Well all I have to say is that I've seen Randle Terry, Pat Robertson,
> Jerry Falwell and their ilk and if they represent Jesus, I want
nothing
> of it.
The Bible commands slaves to submit to their masters, and
wives to submit to their husbands.
What's not to like?
> > as for forcing medieval values on you or anyone else, cat I can
> > only remind you I was content at leaving you be to your own. you
> > were not mentioned by name by me, yet you come after me.
Cat, please refrain from mentioning Jim Ledford by name,
or else he will force his medieval values on you.
In contrast, I will never force fornication on you unless
you ask nicely.
> Oh please - this is a public forum. All are free to speak here and
> state their opinions.
Some of us are even free to elaborate on why we have our
opinions.
> It just so happens that I have been very busy
> with my own life and haven't had much time for posting.
Now that you are posting again, does that mean you are
not very busy with your own life?
> > have a nice day cat,
> > Jim
>
> I had a very unpleasant night. First, I was alone, my boyfriend being
> back in his place and I in mine.
That's the perfect time for an artificial companion. Real
companions are great, but they aren't always there when
you need them.
Someone should tell said boyfriend he'd better head back
over to the catcrib and take care of business. Lest cat
gets clever and builds herself a boytoybot.
> Secondly, I ate some spicey food that
> didn't sit well with me and I drank too much wine.
Pepto-Bismol is great for dealing with the spicey food.
As for the wine, I recommend replacing it with a long bicycle
ride. People turn to drink because not riding bicycles
unnaturally deprives their brains of fun. As Nietzsche did
not exactly say, life without fun is a mistake. Then to make
matters worse, they find themselves wracked by cognitive
dissonance when they support terrorism with their SUVs.
No wonder they try to find solace in a bottle! That is not
a healthy way to live.
In contrast, I don't know anybody who complains about having
ridden a bicycle too far. Riding a bicycle is very different
than wine-drinking, because once you ride beyond a certain
point, your body does not want to continue, so it's unlikely
you will really over-do it. Wine, in contrast, creates its
own demand as you drink more of it, so it's tailor-made for
over-doing.
-- the Danimal
richa...@beer.com
No.
When John Carrick was alive, he was deadwood, crazy, but not funny.
That's why he was a horrible teacher.
Good immitation, sick-freak John Carrick wannabe.
John Carrick--->DEAD
JohnCarrick
>When John Carrick was alive, he was deadwood, crazy, but not funny.
>That's why he was a horrible teacher.
>
>Good immitation, sick-freak John Carrick wannabe.
This sort of sick post provides a measure of the problems that our
mental health professionals must deal with every day.
These people are genuine heroes.
Jim Ledford
>
[....]
> But his
> behavior hasn't changed at all from before he was a christian to now.
is it possible for humans to coexist without judging one another?
miguel
You're a fine one to be bringing that issue up now, Chuckles the
Slackjaw Retard Christian Guy. But your savior commanded it, didn't
he? Are you trying to say your savior commanded you christian guys to
do something that's not possible to do?
miguel
Admiral Canader
Given that the command for believers was not to judge one another,
it's implied that the answer is no.
I won't be judging Lamer-Lamer's DEAD.
the Danimal
> miguel wrote:
> >
> [....]
> >
> > It's weird that Jim would think God created us as perfect images of
> > Himself and that somehow God screwed up by making us horny.
>
> are you blaming God for your life being as it is?
If God made everything that is, then God obviously deserves
praise for all the good things and blame for all the bad things.
Surely God is willing to take responsibility for his choices.
If you want to argue that God really has not made any mistakes,
but everything from terrorist attacks to tsunamis to trash-tossing
yankee guys to lawyer guy maggots to fornicating catbriers to federal
court rulings to pull feeding tubes out of brain-dead vegetables
is all part of God's infinitely wise and perfect plan, then
my inability to see how any obviously bad thing is really a good
must also be God's doing and I blame him for that.
> Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
> Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into
> an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted
> beasts, and creeping things.
> Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
> the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between
> themselves:
> Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped
> and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed
> forever. Amen.
>
> Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
> for even their women did change the natural use into that which
> is against nature:
Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust
after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it
from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members
should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into
hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it
from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members
should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into
hell.
****
Jim, which Bible verses do you like better when it comes to
sex? Paul's anger at homosexuals and idolaters, or the clear
condemnation by Jesus of every man with a normal libido?
Jim, have you obeyed the clear command of Jesus to pluck out your
eye and cut off your hand?
Or do you instead think that when the Bible says something you
find inconvenient, you are free to "interpret" it to mean
something else?
-- the Danimal
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >miguel wrote:
>
> >[....]
> >> But his
> >> behavior hasn't changed at all from before he was a christian to now.
>
> >is it possible for humans to coexist without judging one another?
>
> You're a fine one to be bringing that issue up now,
every one that exalteth himself shall be abased
I am the last of the least and the least of the last
> Chuckles the
> Slackjaw Retard Christian Guy. But your savior commanded it, didn't
> he? Are you trying to say your savior commanded you christian guys to
> do something that's not possible to do?
the double question of yours in response to a question
implies counselor you are not prepared to answer the
question placed first before you.
all power is from God
all glory is to God
>
> miguel
miguel
What possible difference could my answer make, Jim? Jesus commanded
it. Are you saying Jesus commanded his followers to do something they
can't possibly do?
When you yap about being the last of the least and the least of the
last, does that include gay homosexuals, lawyer guy maggots, yankee
guys, city guys and town guys? You've been harshly judging all these
people for months now. Do you really think that some glib platitude
makes all your judgments wash away?
miguel
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >miguel wrote:
> >> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >> >miguel wrote:
>
> >> >[....]
> >> >> But his
> >> >> behavior hasn't changed at all from before he was a christian to now.
>
> >> >is it possible for humans to coexist without judging one another?
>
> >> You're a fine one to be bringing that issue up now,
>
> > every one that exalteth himself shall be abased
>
> >I am the last of the least and the least of the last
>
> >> Chuckles the
> >> Slackjaw Retard Christian Guy. But your savior commanded it, didn't
> >> he? Are you trying to say your savior commanded you christian guys to
> >> do something that's not possible to do?
>
> >the double question of yours in response to a question
> >implies counselor you are not prepared to answer the
> >question placed first before you.
>
> What possible difference could my answer make, Jim?
what is it with you double speak lawyers that prohibits
you from answering a question?
answers are not questions and all questions have answers.
> miguel
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
> > miguel wrote:
> > >
[....]
>
> Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
> Thou shalt not commit adultery:
I've been listening to a guess speaker this week. each night
he has had some kind of attention grabbing remark. cracked
me up but good last night when he said: "when I first became
a Christian I was feeling pretty good about having two of the
Ten Commandments that I had not broken. then I started reading
The New Testament and guess what?" at this point most of us in
the congregation begin to LOL. speaker then says, "if you ain't
LOL then you ain't been reading The New Testament".
I felt kind of sad for those who did not understand since they
were looking around with a lost look on their faces. wanted to
explain and was really glad and happy when the preacher man went
on to do just that. [Mat 5:28] makes it really clear yet there
are those who do not understand.
Dan, since you are not stupid it'd be easy for you to recall my
saying "do NOT look to religion or man for your salvation". I
knew this because of the one on one personal relationship I have
with God the Father through Lord Jesus the Savior. last night
the preacher man went off big time on religion by explaining how
all religions are mostly comprised of man made half truths.
there's one religion in the news right now who has lost their
leader to death. that means he is dead and gone, but the hat
is to be passed to another fool. sad that so many people have
been duped by the half truths of man made religion.
then the preacher man went on to explain how Christianity is
not a religion. Christianity is a beautiful personal one on
one relationship with God. it's really just that simple.
when Jesus was crucified He experienced death because He had
the sin of all mankind on Him. then Lord Jesus was resurrected
from death. Lord Jesus defeated, conquered, beat death and has
risen from death that we may have life. the neat part, Jesus
did it all without a funky hat. no funky hat required and no
man wearing a funky hat required for you or anyone else to
receive life NOW from the cleansing blood of the ONE and only
Lord Jesus.
Dan, reject religion, accept Jesus, see the truth by the
light of Lord Jesus. don't let man made religion steal
your soul. right now satan the devil has one very powerful
tool for the purpose of causing souls to be separated from
The Lord God Almighty for eternity and it is called religion.
>
> Jim, which Bible verses do you like better when it comes to
> sex?
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Dan, you've noticed how the Bible says nothing about a woman
leaving her father and her mother to pursue an worry the heck
out of some man?
Dan, you have a nice day.
>
> -- the Danimal
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
religion".
there we agree, christianity, like all religion, is nothing but a crock of
shit and nothing but a crutch for people that can't deal with life on their
own.
"Jim Ledford" <jim...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Midjis
> "then the preacher man went on to explain how Christianity is not a
> religion".
>
> there we agree, christianity, like all religion, is nothing but a crock of
> shit and nothing but a crutch for people that can't deal with life on
> their own.
You contradict yourself. The 'preacher man' stated that Christianity is NOT
a religion. You state you agree. You then say, "christianity, like all
religion".
Midjis
I love the idea of a 'guess speaker'.
> The New Testament and guess what?" at this point most of us in
> the congregation begin to LOL.
Sit in a church or hall listening to some self-appointed paragon of
righteousness preaching a sermon, and it's only natural that sooner or later
you'll begin to loll.
> Dan, since you are not stupid it'd be easy for you to recall my
> saying "do NOT look to religion or man for your salvation".
Which would no doubt also include a charge not to look to Jim Ledford?
> Dan, reject religion, accept Jesus, see the truth by the
> light of Lord Jesus. don't let man made religion steal
> your soul. right now satan the devil has one very powerful
> tool for the purpose of causing souls to be separated from
> The Lord God Almighty for eternity and it is called religion.
[...]
> Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
> and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Dan - reject religion, and *look for yourself*. If you want to find God,
you'll find It all by yourself. If you don't, then don't bother looking.
One preacher is just the same as another, and however strongly a man might
deny that his beliefs about divinity constitute religion, they become as
much the moment he tries to teach them to you.
Brent Armstrong
That's pretty funny-next to parables, questions was Jesus' favourite
form of discourse-was John the Baptist a true prophet or not.
HAVE A NICE DAY
>
> > miguel
miguel
>>>>>[....]
See: Koan.
You've spent months now evading questions about your hypocrisy by
spouting irrelevant bible verses as """answers""" to those questions.
You hardly have standing at this point to object to non-responsiveness,
hypocrite-guy.
Jim Ledford
a paradox to be meditated upon that is used to train Zen Buddhist
monks to abandon ultimate dependence on reason and to force them
into gaining sudden intuitive enlightenment
you know Mike, China was a really nice place back before the
red army beat the white army and forced communism on the people.
see, back in the good old days when the Mongols of Mongolia were
riding in and messing up the peaceful life of the Chinese, the
Chinese were able to build a wall to keep the violent Mongols
out of China. China was lucky back then because they did not
have lawyers or an aclu to YELL NO FAIR you can't discriminate
against the Mongols by keeping them out with a wall.
>
> You've spent months now evading questions about your hypocrisy by
> spouting irrelevant bible verses as """answers""" to those questions.
> You hardly have standing at this point to object to non-responsiveness,
> hypocrite-guy.
B - basic
I - instruction
B - before
L - leaving
E - earth
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
> >
> > I've been listening to a guess speaker this week.
>
> I love the idea of a 'guess speaker'.
that was for Dan. he gets a kick out of flaming
me for spelling words wrong, but you can play too.
miguel
You're getting retardeder.
>> You've spent months now evading questions about your hypocrisy by
>> spouting irrelevant bible verses as """answers""" to those questions.
>> You hardly have standing at this point to object to non-responsiveness,
>> hypocrite-guy.
>B - bonehead
>I - idiot
>B - bleating
>L - lame
>E - excuses
Admiral Canader
> B - basic
> I - instruction
> B - before
> L - leaving
> E - earth
The BIBLE says that there will be a lot of persecution will proceed
after Jesus, and that those who follow him will be mocked and abused,
because of his teachings.
I always wondered why the evangelical church and its members, at
times, profanes the name and brings disrepute among themselves and
their message and GOD by holding to DUMBASS thoughts and ideas that
have nothing to do with the gospel.
The
B
I
B
L
E
acronym has got to go-you know this, because the Bible tells you so!
miguel
>The
>
>B
>I
>B
>L
>E
>
>acronym has got to go-you know this, because the Bible tells you so!
Don't expect Jim to understand this. His lack of understanding of the
message of the New Testament is perfectly consistent with the doctrine
of fundamentalists who cast judgment in exchange for dollars donated
on TV.
But, it's kind of silly to think that God and Jesus would set a trap
in the Bible for retards like Jim who aren't smart enough to
comprehend beyond what Pat Robertson tells them on the 700 Club.
Jim, eternal life in the New Testament lies beyond being a scriptural
retard hypocrite. HTH.
miguel
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote:
[....]
>
> > B - basic
> > I - instruction
> > B - before
> > L - leaving
> > E - earth
>
> The BIBLE says that there will be a lot of persecution will proceed
> after Jesus, and that those who follow him will be mocked and abused,
> because of his teachings.
look at China. Christians are rounded up and sent to six day
reeducation camp. after six days most have been set free from
this world by the first death. protected by the salvation
through the pure and prefect blood of Lord Jesus the saved
never experience the second death.
>
> I always wondered why the evangelical church and its members, at
> times, profanes the name and brings disrepute among themselves and
> their message and GOD by holding to DUMBASS thoughts and ideas that
> have nothing to do with the gospel.
there is only one real church and it is The Body of Christ.
to accept His gift of salvation is to also join ones self
to The Body of Christ.
the vast majority of church groups have moved away from the
true Word with their liberalization's of God's Word. in
other words if you want salvation from the second death you
need not look in the evangelical churches of modern day america.
give this a thought. real followers of Jesus DO NOT under
any circumstances go out and start killing people because
they feel threatened by the possibility of attack from those
people.
Judas, misunderstood and thought Lord Jesus had arrived to
deliver a sword of battle whereby the Hebrew people would be
liberated from roman occupation. Lord Jesus did not arrive
with a sword of war, Lord Jesus arrived with The Sword of Truth.
a truth that will set you free, open your eyes and provide
abundant life now.
>
> The
>
> B
> I
> B
> L
> E
>
> acronym has got to go-you know this, because the Bible tells you so!
for those who have received The Holy Spirit The Bible is clear
on matters of living this physical phase of life in such a way
as to honor The Lord God Almighty.
praise God
all glory to God.
Jim Ledford
> Jim Ledford wrote :
> > miguel wrote:
> > >
> > [....]
> > > But his
> > > behavior hasn't changed at all from before he was a christian to now.
> >
> > is it possible for humans to coexist without judging one another?
>
> Given that the command for believers was not to judge one another,
> it's implied that the answer is no.
>
> I won't be judging Lamer-Lamer's DEAD.
suppose you were to make the observation and
then the realization whereby your perception
revealed the truth to you that indeed the facts
state clearly so as to expose no other possible
conclusion could be made and thus leaving you to
agree with the evidence and declare Lamer-Lamer's
to be absolutely DEAD.
it's just a thought.
:)
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Pete Turk
<jim...@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>look at China. Christians are rounded up and sent to six day
>reeducation camp. after six days most have been set free from
>this world by the first death. protected by the salvation
>through the pure and prefect blood of Lord Jesus the saved
>never experience the second death.
Yes, Jim -- LOOK at China! ....
You'll find your news is decades out of date
... and now their Maoism is flouted in the same way as
mock-xtians everywhere flout their so-called faith --
e.g. "it's glorious to be rich", as Deng Xiaoping
once kept-on saying, and mock-xtians now echo.
But then, if you DID look, you'd see what does happen
in moslem Mongolia and buddhist Tibet and to all
those who, unlike you, are not slavishly compliant
to the current local ruling-ideology. For Tibetans
and Uigurs, each with their particular language,
script, belief and culture, it's no fun. Those who
realise that democracy's a good-thing remember
the events in Tian An Men Square.
(note to new readers: Jim had once claimed he'd [been?]
enlisted to fight in Vietnam, and hinted that he'd
left one or two bits of his body-parts there. Then
it was "Be a Good Patriot like ME!", nowadays it's
"Gimme that Ole'-Time Religion!")
>
>for those who have received The Holy Spirit The Bible is clear
>on matters of living this physical phase of life in such a way
>as to honor The Lord God Almighty.
>
>praise God
>all glory to God.
That's what you _say_, Jim.
But, in everything you write, what you _mean_ is:
"honor, praise and all glory to me, Jim Ledford, and
to hell with anyone who won't freely give it".
That's what's behind your belly-to-earth compliance,
Jim: your howl for constant attention.
'One of the most striking differences
between a cat and a lie is that a cat
has only nine lives.'
--Mark Twain
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA President and Moonshadow
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
Jim Ledford
on matters of living this physical phase of life in such a way
as to honor The Lord God Almighty.
praise God
all glory to God.
B - basic
Jim Ledford
all of us who accept the gift offered by The Lord Jesus.
that's a fact.
FACT: a gift is free. cost nothing to recieve a gift.
if there is a cost, then it is not a gift.
that's too is a fact.
kim
>kim wrote:
>
>> See ya in a few weeks!
>
>Next time you're PMSing?
No, next time I'm not so bizzy. Ended up being a lot more efficient
that I expected.
But thanks for asking about my health.
>Kim, why do you only post when you're PMSing? Try to post when you're
>not PMSing sometime, and maybe you won't seem quite so retarded and
>emotionally volatile.
Thanks for the excuse. What's yours? Idiocy?
Kim
Jim Ledford
for us to follow in order that we may have full enriched lives in the
here and now. many things of pure beauty have been created by God out
of His love for each of us. one of His gifts to both man and woman is
marriage. marriage is the unique institution where a man and a woman
enter into a union know as one flesh. [Gen 2:24]
later when Lord Jesus walked this earth in the flesh as a physical body in
human form, He again spoke of marriage so as to teach man God's intent of the
true meaning of one flesh. His teachings are in [Mat 19:4 - Mat 19:9] where
Jesus corrects the misunderstanding created by man when man received the law
of divorcement from Moses. [Mar 10:9] is a clear instruction for man to leave
be those which God Himself has joined together.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother,
and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ
and the church.
Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love
his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her
husband.
[Eph 5:33] contains a clear message concerning the ability to obtain
spiritual blessings and happiness in marriage. do you burn your own
flesh, do you lie to yourself, do you cheat on yourself? yes, no?
what you do unto her you do unto yourself and self destruction is one
sure way to blind ones self to the spiritual joys that God intended
marriage to contain.
choosing a life long mate so as to be able to work together moving
together and arriving together at the desired goal of the commitment
to one another can be way to easy if one can consider equality in the
correct way.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
hath light with darkness?
evenly yoked is an easy thing for a Farmer to understand because if a
Farmer makes the mistake of yoking two different animals, one strong
and one weak, the plow will not travel in a strait line. no matter
how much the stronger animal tries to make up for the weaker animal
the plow will not travel in a strait line.
two humans, one male and one female who both have received
The Holy Spirit would be considered evenly yoked. if they
were to become twain in marriage, their both knowing and
having their own one on one relationship with Lord Jesus
provides the insight of knowing self to be last and others
to be first. in marriage this knowing blends together in a
natural way so as to create the true love and concern for one
another.
God blesses those who know and live to serve Him. if you are
lost and living without God in your life then you do not want to
know of the physical joy created in the marriage of two who have
been given spiritual joy in the twain of marriage. for since the
lost have denied God and His love they too will deny the gift from
The Lord God Almighty of a level of spiritual joy going way way past
physical pleasure.
the only way to the Father is through His Son and through the gift
of salvation offered by the Blood of The Lord Jesus. people man
and woman can have life, abundant life in the here and now.
God The Father thank you,
Jim
Dolores
Christians stole my hotdog.
--
-=Lola
Fuck you and quit dogging me, asshole
Dolores
--
You have such a magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from
distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total
annihilation of future generations who, I think you'll agree, have it
coming.
--Nature Boy
Jim Ledford
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind,
to do those things which are not convenient;
the Danimal
> the Danimal wrote:
> > Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
> > Thou shalt not commit adultery:
>
> I've been listening to a guess speaker this week.
Your Freudian slip is telling. Of course every religion,
yours especially, is a collection of guesses not supported
by conclusive evidence.
> each night
> he has had some kind of attention grabbing remark. cracked
> me up but good last night when he said: "when I first became
> a Christian I was feeling pretty good about having two of the
> Ten Commandments that I had not broken. then I started reading
> The New Testament and guess what?" at this point most of us in
> the congregation begin to LOL. speaker then says, "if you ain't
> LOL then you ain't been reading The New Testament".
The congregation was certainly right to laugh at itself
for falling for the prescientific guilt trip Christianity
uses to keep them coming back to contribute money and plead
for forgiveness.
Men becoming sexually aroused by the sight of young women
exuding fertility cues is as normal and unavoidable as a
hungry person salivating at the smell of cooking food.
I don't feel guilty for having the same instincts that
caused my ancestors to create me. Rather, I feel disappointed
that most of the time when I look at a young woman and
feel lust in my heart for her, she is NOT feeling lust
in her heart for me. But unlike you, I am willing to
accept the unpleasant fact that I am not very interesting
to most of the women I find very interesting, instead of
cooking up some ridiculous headgame to divert my attention
from my inadequacies.
I wonder, would it be possible to guilt millions of people
into handing me 10% of their income because they have the
normal physiological response to food odors?
Say what you want about Jesus, but he was no dummy when it
came to manipulating people. Until he tried his manipulation
skills on Pontius Pilate.
> I felt kind of sad for those who did not understand since they
> were looking around with a lost look on their faces. wanted to
> explain and was really glad and happy when the preacher man went
> on to do just that. [Mat 5:28] makes it really clear yet there
> are those who do not understand.
People who don't understand what they are (and nobody had much
of a clue before the year 1859) tend to invent religions to
provide them with some sort of answer. Not an answer that works
for much, except to sustain religion itself.
> Dan, since you are not stupid it'd be easy for you to recall my
> saying "do NOT look to religion or man for your salvation". I
> knew this because of the one on one personal relationship I have
> with God the Father through Lord Jesus the Savior.
When I have a one-on-one personal relationship with a woman,
I mean she is not simultaneously having similar personal
relationships with millions of other men. I mean there
is something exclusive about our relationship---we exclude
other potential partners from the relationship.
Are you the only person relating to Jesus right now? If you
think you are not the only person relating to Jesus, then
your relationship with Jesus is not one-on-one. If Jesus
exists and is relating to millions, the relationship is
many-on-one.
Or, if you believe in three gods, the relationship is
many-on-three.
There is a way for your claim to be true: if you merely imagine
Jesus, then you are relating to your imagination. Since nobody
but you can directly access your own imagination yet, you most
certainly do have a one-on-one relationship with whatever you
imagine.
> last night
> the preacher man went off big time on religion by explaining how
> all religions are mostly comprised of man made half truths.
Do you trust the preacher man to give you fair and balanced
information about all the religions he competes with?
Would you trust Miguel to state your views exactly the way
you would state your views?
Even if Miguel represented your views in a way that was factually
correct, I wouldn't be surprised if Miguel chose his words in
such a way as to make an unflattering impression.
For preacher man to have any credibility when describing
other religions, he needs to invite representatives of other
religions to review his claims about them, and give them a
chance to present their case.
If you actually talk to people who believe other religions,
you might be surprised to hear how similar their methods of
argument are. Every religion I'm familiar with has to deal
with the problem of all those OTHER religions somehow, and most
seem to do it much the way you do: by trying to lump them all
together as some sort of deception.
But clearly this demonstrates how highly susceptible humans
are to these sorts of deceptions, because all those other religions
have their followers who are just as convinced and relentless as
yourself.
Clearly we know for a fact that your level of being relentlessly
convinced is readily possible even if the responsible religion is
completely fake. Therefore, if you had any functioning brain cells,
you would immediately begin examining your own beliefs top to bottom,
objectively and carefully, to determine exactly how you could rule
out the very real possibility that your own religion is just as fake
as all the others. Because you know a religion does not need to be
correct to inspire fanatical faith. Correctness obviously has nothing
to do with it.
I'm about 99.999999999999999% sure you have never done anything
of the sort. You probably have never taken a serious look at anybody
else's religion, which of course would have to start not by listening
exclusively to your own vested-interest preachers telling you about
religions they themselves do not believe in, but by inviting followers
of those religions to state their views directly.
Could any government claim to give fair trials if it allowed only
one side to speak?
> there's one religion in the news right now who has lost their
> leader to death. that means he is dead and gone, but the hat
> is to be passed to another fool.
It's unlikely a fool could talk the other Cardinals into
handing him all the power, given that every one of those Cardinals
also wants to be elected the next Pope.
Imagine the Survivor TV show works the other way: a million
dollar prize is up for grabs, but to win it, you must convince
all the other competitors to vote that you should win the prize,
instead of them! Instead of voting people off the island one
at a time, they all just vote on the winner straight off.
Could the dumbest guy on the show find a way to win that election?
> sad that so many people have
> been duped by the half truths of man made religion.
Religion is a mixed bag like everything else. Sometimes religion
hurts people (such as when two neighboring religions go to war
against each other, or when religions impede the progress of
science), and sometimes it helps people feel better
by allowing them to imagine their meaningless lives mean something.
We live in an uncomfortable period of history in which science
is steadily undermining every religion, at least in the minds
of people who are smart enough to comprehend some science, but
science is tearing down the existing structures faster than it
is replacing them with anything else that feels as good.
For example, human evolution has given us brains that would like
to live for thousands of years, at least, along with bodies that
are programmed to fall apart in mere decades. Religions provide
great comfort by convincing people their minds will outlive their
bodies. And science is stripping away that comfort faster than
it is figuring out how to stop our bodies from falling apart in
mere decades, or giving our minds some way to be happy with
our short lives.
> then the preacher man went on to explain how Christianity is
> not a religion.
To do that, he would have to refrain from lying, because lying
is the staple of every religion.
Claiming to know something, when you cannot prove it, is
a lie. It is a lie to claim you know more than you actually
know. For example, if I claim to know how many planets orbit
Alpha Centauri, I would be lying, because there is no way I
could know that. If I were honest, I would say I really do
not know how many planets orbit that star, but I might have
some irrational belief that exactly seven planets do (or
fifteen, or some other number I pulled out of my butt). I am
free to believe whatever I want about Alpha Centauri, but to
be honest, I should admit my guess is no better than yours.
If I said a spaceship full of Alpha Centaurians paid me a
personal visit and told me all about their home star, but
nobody else saw that spaceship besides me, and the aliens
didn't leave me any physical alien artifacts I could use to
impress the skeptics, then I would have a hard time persuading
any rational person to take my story seriously. I might even
wonder if I had simply dreamed or hallucinated the whole thing,
because after all people do have vivid dreams or hallucinations
from time to time.
In your case, you did not actually witness the resurrection
of Jesus Christ, or anyone else. Instead all you have are
stories you heard from people who hear them from other people
who heard them from other people, in a long chain extending
back through history, and with no objective evidence whatsoever
for checking supernatural aspects of the stories.
Did Elisha really call bears out of the woods to kill the boys
who mocked him? Did Jonah really survive three days in the
belly of the fish? Did Balaam's ass really speak? Did the LORD
really slay Onan for spilling his seed on the ground?
There is not one shred of independent evidence for any of
those events, and yet you choose to believe them anyway, while
simultaneously doubting the equally far-fetched tall tales
of all the other thousands of religions you decided to reject
without giving them a fair hearing.
It makes a lot more sense to recognize the similar characteristics
of all religions, and require something more compelling than
hearsay and mob suggestion before concluding any one of those
religions really does rise above the crowd.
> Christianity is a beautiful personal one on
> one relationship with God.
How is it "beautiful" to relate to someone who calls you a sinner
in need of forgiveness because your brain works the way he built
it to work?
> it's really just that simple.
Actually it's a lot simpler once you understand what you are.
Once you understand your own sociobiology, what emerges is
a logically consistent picture. You don't need to constantly
lie, evade, or make excuses to sweep all the contradictions
under the rug.
Every religion has to explain away its contradictions somehow.
"Now we see through a glass darkly" or "It's a mystery, and
someday all shall be revealed" etc.
Wouldn't you much rather believe in something that makes
perfect sense RIGHT NOW? Not something that might make
sense after you die, and nobody can explain how that will
work?
When the Wehrmacht invaded the Soviet Union in June, 1941,
Hitler assured his troops they did not need to worry about
the infamous Russian winter because they would all be staying
in Russian hotels by then (because they would conquer everything
so quickly). Thus they did not need to worry about marching
into Russia wearing just their summer uniforms.
As it turns out, God flipped a coin and decided to favor the
overtly atheist Stalin over the nominally Christian Hitler,
by hitting Russia with the coldest winter in 50 years, just
as the German offensive was starting to bog down out on the
steppes. So Hitler's "Don't worry about it" message to his
troops did not pan out.
The take-home lesson is we should automatically prefer the
solution that works right now over the solution that someone
promises might work someday.
How can a loving God fail to warn millions of people about
the approaching tsunami? Anyone who believes in a loving God
must constantly grapple with such questions every time the
latest avoidable disaster claims thousands of fresh victims.
That is, if the believer in the loving God is smart enough
to realize the inconsistencies in his/her beliefs.
> when Jesus was crucified He experienced death because He had
> the sin of all mankind on Him.
What does that mean? Is "sin" something tangible, like matter
or energy, that can be transferred from one place to another?
Or is "sin" some arbitrary accounting device, like the way
bankers move "wealth" around by debiting one account and
crediting another?
Also, what exactly is "death" and how does a God experience it?
If you are intellectually honest enough to attempt a coherent
answer to these questions, you will quickly reveal more of
the gibbering illogic of your belief system. As soon as you
attempt to define these various words you sling around, you
will quickly run into the problem that you have nothing to base
your definitions on, except more words, in a circular definition.
In contrast, bankers who move wealth around with their
accounting tricks at least have to base their abstractions on
something tangible: value as expressed by markets of human
consumers and producers. Gold is worth more than used cat litter
because lots of people think it is, and act accordingly.
If "sin" is something real which even God himself (or at least
one of the three Gods) is powerless to simply write off without
"paying" for it properly, then who forgives God's sins?
Oh yes, God does sin. For example, suppose you discovered
your neighbor is a pedophile who molests children in the
neighborhood regularly, unbeknownst to their parents. If
you failed to report the pedophile to the police, would
your failure to report be a sin? You would, through inaction,
allow the pedophile to continue harming children. If that
isn't a sin, I don't know what is. You would be almost as
guilty as the pedophile himself.
And yet this is what an all-knowing, all-powerful God routinely
does. God knows where all the criminals are. All he has to do
is pick up the phone and call the cops. Even if we somehow let
God off the hook for creating criminals in the first place,
surely it wouldn't be asking too much for God to make a simple
phone call. God would not have to work any miracles to stop the
criminals; the cops can handle that job if they can simply
identify the criminals.
If you want to argue that God makes all the rules so it's
silly to hold him accountable for breaking his own rules,
then you can equally argue that there was absolutely no reason
for Jesus to "die" to "pay" for anyone's sins. God could just
as easily have erased the debt he invented in the first
place. The person who cooks up the rules is not bound by them.
So that whole crucifixion thing was just a big waste of time,
and only impressive to someone too stupid to recognize the
non-necessity of it.
Kind of like the Super Bowl. There is no need to send these
large helmeted chaps crashing into each other. It's just a
made-up game existing solely to amuse.
> then Lord Jesus was resurrected from death.
And yet the Lord Jesus chose to stage this presumably important
event in an extremely obscure location of space and time. The
result is that we have NO direct eyewitness accounts of this
resurrection. Instead we have some scattered, contradictory
writings in the gospels (exactly how many times did the cock
crow, and when? And how many angels appeared at the tomb? etc.)
which we cannot even prove were written by eyewitnesses, and
if they were it was probably decades after the fact, by which
time the writers had a vested interest in maintaining a
religion, and by then could have talked themselves into believing
any sort of nonsense as is typical for any religion.
The fact that they could even get their stories straight is
telling as well. That proves the recollections were
already diverging by the time the stories got into writing.
The earliest objective criticisms of Christianity did not
appear for at least another hundred years after that, to
the extent that any records of such criticisms survive today.
So the initial claims probably weren't subjected to even the
most rudimentary cross-checking to rule out other possibilities.
At the time of the Crucifixion, there wasn't even a religion
of "Christianity" per se with a distinct set of claims for
anyone to take seriously and challenge.
Neither did any technology exist at the time for recording
events objectively (cameras, scientific instruments). There
were no coroners, no reporters, no bureaus of vital statistics;
and medical knowledge was extremely primitive and often
wrong.
Thus the only evidence that exists today of this supposed
resurrection are some plainly contradictory writings of
uncertain origin. There is no sign that there had been
anything approaching an objective review of the evidence
at the time.
If someone claimed a similar resurrection event today, what
sort of evidence would we demand before we would buy those
claims?
At least when President Bush claimed Saddam had weapons of
mass destruction, there was plenty of evidence that Saddam
had possessed and used such weapons in the past. The Kurds
and Iranians could testify to that.
> Lord Jesus defeated, conquered, beat death and has
> risen from death that we may have life. the neat part, Jesus
> did it all without a funky hat. no funky hat required and no
> man wearing a funky hat required for you or anyone else to
> receive life NOW from the cleansing blood of the ONE and only
> Lord Jesus.
Define "life."
> Dan, reject religion,
I have. I reject the idea that it is ever smart to let my
beliefs get ahead of facts.
> accept Jesus,
What does that mean?
> see the truth by the light of Lord Jesus.
What does that mean? A non-circular answer, please.
> don't let man made religion steal your soul.
OK. I'll do my best.
> right now satan the devil has one very powerful
> tool for the purpose of causing souls to be separated from
> The Lord God Almighty for eternity and it is called religion.
Religion is when you believe things you cannot prove.
For example: believing there are talking fish, or believing
Jesus rose from the dead. You cannot prove there are talking
fish, and you cannot prove Jesus rose from the dead; so if
you believe either of those things, you are doing religion.
> > Jim, which Bible verses do you like better when it comes to
> > sex?
>
> Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
> and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Did you like that verse when Mr. Schiavo decided what do
do with his flesh?
> Dan, you've noticed how the Bible says nothing about a woman
> leaving her father and her mother to pursue an worry the heck
> out of some man?
Last I checked, the book of Esther is still in my Bible.
Have you read it? It's a nice story about a young woman
who was apparently very sexy and knew exactly how to
"work it." She shook her moneymakers for the Kind of Persia
and got him to halt a plot against the Jews, and even permit
the Jews to commit genocide against the people who plotted
genocide them.
> Dan, you have a nice day.
I would rather have a truthful day.
The truth is only occasionally nice, as you could discover
by facing it.
-- the Danimal
Jim Ledford
Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger
of eterna damnation:
"blaspheme is living your entire life in complete denial
of God's gift of his son Jesus. It is living your entire
life believing that the Bible is a myth and a fairy tale,
and rejecting the fact that Jesus died on the cross for our
sins so we may be forgiven. That is the only unforgivable sin."
I love God,
Jim
Jim Ledford
exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the
kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things
will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and
worship me.
did you ever stop to wonder how it was satan the devil could
offer Lord Jesus kingdoms of the world? why or how could that
be? how did satan end up with kingdoms of the world to offer
anyone?
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O
Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut
down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
well, it was like this. when lucifer made the not so bright
mistake of trying to place himself above Lord God Almighty
lucifer and his followers were cast out of heaven and down
to this earth. lucifer roams this earth in search of souls
to steal. earth is the kingdom of stan the devil.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest
thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From
going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up
and down in it.
satan the devil is here among us right now. satan is digging
at our thoughts in order to distract us from the one and only
Almighty living God. satan wants to put off, delay, slow down
the coming of his demise. satan can not stop or change his destiny
with the lake of fire, however satan can slow the process known as
The Completion of The Body of Christ. only Lord God Almighty Himself
knows the time the place and the event itself. no one else knows, not
even satan the devil.
will you choose light over dark, good over evil, life over death? the
choice is yours, hers, his and mine. we each have this choice that will
determine exactly where we spend our eternity.
today let Lord Jesus into your heart. let His unending love for you
heal you and redeem you. Lord Jesus has already paid in full the price
for the sin we each carry with us, an unnecessary baggage of guilt we
need not carry. trust in Lord Jesus and be set free to live life NOW.
love and peace to all,
Jim
Jim Ledford
to enter into your life. you've surrendered to Him, allowing Him to
MAKE you like Him and now your life is so much better than anything
you could have ever imagined. you never expected anything like what
has happened. no worries, no more guilt, no more pride filled failures
and no more doubt.
you're sitting back enjoying the wonderful life The Lord Jesus has brought
to you and you begin to want other people to experience the same wonderful
peace and joy of knowing the one and only truth. so, you begin to witness
by telling others of the LOVE for them The Lord Jesus has already given
freely of His own accord by His own doing. and then you run head first
into the unexpected situation of being placed where you must judge another
person as to their worth. see, it's like this, 9.5 out of 10 will reject
you for bringing to them the Word of our Lord God Almighty, as they do not
want to hear what they perceive as intrusive and over controlling to the
point of interfering with their worldly good times while in the flesh, so
they turn and rend you by lacerating the joy of love.
The Lord Jesus Himself gave these instructions and they are to be kept for
I'm here to testify to you who is reading this, if you continue to speak of
the Joys of life given by The Lord Jesus to those who by their own choice
not to receive the free gift then you will have your heart lacerated by their
own disbelief. The Lord Jesus never intended for you His follower to suffer
this rebuke and therefore He has given these Words.
Mat 7:6 Give1325 not3361 that which is holy40 unto the3588
dogs,2965 neither3366 cast906 ye your5216 pearls3135 before1715
swine,5519 lest3379 they trample2662 them846 under1722 their848
feet,4228 and2532 turn again4762 and rend4486 you.5209
Mar 6:11 And2532 whosoever3745, 302 shall not3361 receive1209
you,5209 nor3366 hear191 you,5216 when ye depart1607 thence,1564
shake off1621 the3588 dust5522 under5270 your5216 feet4228 for1519
a testimony3142 against them.846 Verily281 I say3004 unto you,5213
It shall be2071 more tolerable414 for Sodom4670 and2228 Gomorrah1116
in1722 the day2250 of judgment,2920 than2228 for that1565 city.4172
never give up trying to share the joy of the one and only true love with others,
however learn and know when to move on leaving the lost to be lost. Lord God
Almighty already knows the members of The Elect and He alone is in control of
that, not me, not you, ONLY He.
love and peace,
Jim
Jim Ledford
words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall
the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father
with the holy angels.
michael...@yahoo.com
had many people "preach" at me. Sometimes I enjoyed the lively
discussions (of course I was much younger then :), other times it was
only an irritant that tended to stop me from even listening to the very
message they were attempting to communicate to me. I guess I'm saying
that I would not take the silence for being ashamed.
My faith is a personal relationship with God. It is not one I feel the
need to defend. As for your thread here, I'm glad you feel the joy
that you are experiencing. Do not pollute that joy with anger because
others are not caught up in it.
Your message is a true one. Yes, the devil is rampant in this world we
live it. One only needs to pick up a newspaper, watch a newscast, or
even walk down a busy city street to see the truth of this. Kim and I
watched one of my favorite movies "Bless the Child". In that movie,
there's a line spoken by an FBI agent that was an ex-seminary student.
When asked why he left the seminary, he stated, "I found another way of
fighting him." Simply put, yet a statement that I can truly attest to.
There are many ways of fighting the evil that is around us. Don't take
lack of response here as being a shunning of this fact.
Hugs my friend,
--
Michael
Snowrose
<michael...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113920684.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Ya know my friend, I, for one, am not ashamed of you. In my life, I've
> had many people "preach" at me. Sometimes I enjoyed the lively
> discussions (of course I was much younger then :), other times it was
> only an irritant that tended to stop me from even listening to the very
> message they were attempting to communicate to me. I guess I'm saying
> that I would not take the silence for being ashamed.
>
> My faith is a personal relationship with God. It is not one I feel the
> need to defend. As for your thread here, I'm glad you feel the joy
> that you are experiencing. Do not pollute that joy with anger because
> others are not caught up in it.
>
> lack of response here as being a shunning of this fact.
Excellent post, Michael. I couldn't agree more.
Hugs,
Teri
Jim Ledford
> Ya know my friend, I, for one, am not ashamed of you. In my life, I've
> had many people "preach" at me. Sometimes I enjoyed the lively
> discussions (of course I was much younger then :), other times it was
> only an irritant that tended to stop me from even listening to the very
> message they were attempting to communicate to me. I guess I'm saying
> that I would not take the silence for being ashamed.
>
> My faith is a personal relationship with God.
Michael, my Brother, my Friend, that one sentence shows me
how you got it before I did. I love you MAN! I love you MAN!
recently my eyes have been opened to the fact ALL religions are
man made and filled with half truths as well as false teachings.
being made Christian by The Lord Jesus Christ is a personal
one on one relationship with The Lord God Almighty. it is
not a religion, it is LIFE, the good life. a life so filled
with joy and love that I wish I'd been made this way long ago.
my attempts at spreading The Word of our Lord are in hope that
others will realize and let Him in.
peace and love 2 all,
Jim
ps: hugs my friend
> It is not one I feel the
> need to defend. As for your thread here, I'm glad you feel the joy
> that you are experiencing. Do not pollute that joy with anger because
> others are not caught up in it.
>
> Your message is a true one. Yes, the devil is rampant in this world we
> live it. One only needs to pick up a newspaper, watch a newscast, or
> even walk down a busy city street to see the truth of this. Kim and I
> watched one of my favorite movies "Bless the Child". In that movie,
> there's a line spoken by an FBI agent that was an ex-seminary student.
> When asked why he left the seminary, he stated, "I found another way of
> fighting him." Simply put, yet a statement that I can truly attest to.
>
> There are many ways of fighting the evil that is around us. Don't take
> lack of response here as being a shunning of this fact.
>