WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. Get the lays while you can!
Okay, I'm going to reveal my Ace in the hole, my trump card, my technique for laying strippers you meet in their clubs. This technique is SO simple that even an idiot (read: half of my critics) could use it to get laid. I have to give some props to Mystery here because he inspired it with his "neg" theory.
I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this tactic before, and it's a very, VERY simple one. To pull it off, of course, you have to have a POSITIVE ATTITUDE about it, the kind where you smile while you're telling someone to fuck off.
As usual, I discovered the method by accident, on a day when I was in a mood where I didn't feel like taking anyone's shit. I hauled ass over to a strip club in a neighboring town (don't hit the clubs in your home city if you can avoid it, for the same reasons the dancers don't work in their hoods).
I did not want to publish this for the longest time because once this cat is out of the bag, the method will stop working, but what the fuck, I don't use it anymore.
The basic approach of tipping "$1 a clip" and drinking is still in force. This approach is based on a hardcore "neg" that isn't easy to pull off, and which of course can backfire (but who gives a shit if it works a lot?). Fortunately, when it does backfire you'll save money and can just try it on another club.
As usual, this night I walked into the club, there were about 15 dancers in the rotation, maybe six of them were fuckable, and of those, maybe two of them were truly hot. Also as usual, the super-hotties were busy giving dances and fleecing the suckers out of their money, while the desperate, ugly strippers were making rounds (no shock there).
I'm thinking to myself "what a fucking crock" and that this was a bait and switch. As this UG Stripper (maybe a 7, but a UG for a stripper) approaches me, I think of the PERFECT neg for her, based on my being fed up with wasting my money on the ugly dancers, and tell myself that when she approaches, I would say in a very polite tone, the following:
"Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip one more time, I'm going to walk straight out of here and I doubt the other dancers would appreciate losing the money. Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
Now the staff won't help her because they want their cut of my money, and I always make sure to tip the bartender well, while tipping the other dancers, so in essence they are being singled out. I figured if I didn't tip the UG I could save the dollar for a visit by a hottie.
Then I had a flash of inspiration and remembered two things Mystery preaches:
1. Neg the HOTTIE
2. Ignore the TARGET.
When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the customary dollar while praising her looks. She walked away beaming.
Then the hottie showed up after the next song.
I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for my coat and said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather stay." She backed off and left me alone.
At first.
She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I don't want a tip." (props to myself for this because now she's a returning fox).
I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex." I make HEAVY eye contact and have a facial expression that says "I'll rock your world if you let me and don't give me any shit along the way."
I was right: she wanted sex. Who was I to deny a damsel in distress?
Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it. Go ahead, folks, field test this. You'll see how powerful it is when you do it right.
I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but it's too edgy for general consumption, and will get you thrown out of the club about 20 percent of the time (and laid the other 80 percent). Perhaps in a few years...
-- Ray Gordon, Author http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating affiliated books!
Ray Gordon wrote: > WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. Get > the lays while you can!
What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. >> Get the lays while you can!
> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get > addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way > to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of > alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
Wrong.
Neg them, ignore them, and blockade them (if they persist then they cost their fellow dancers money), and they can't get enough of you.
This is a field-tested tactic that has led to many "plucks" (when you stay in touch with a stripper after work).
> Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
Why do you think I no longer use the method?
When I do go into strip clubs (extremely rare now), I just neg the crap out of them (politely, of course).
-- Ray Gordon, Author http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating affiliated books!
mWarrior wrote: > Ray Gordon wrote: > > WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. Get > > the lays while you can!
> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get > addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way > to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of > alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
> Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
I work with a guy who hooked up with a stripper just a few weeks ago. No telling how many other guys she hooks up with, but fun for him, at least.
Actually around here at least, the only way to a strippers heart is with cocaine or heroin or something similar. Have either one of those and you're in. At least thats what my old friends used to tell me, personally I've never been to a strip club before -- pay to play just aint for me.
> Actually around here at least, the only way to a strippers heart is > with cocaine or heroin or something similar. Have either one of those > and you're in. At least thats what my old friends used to tell me, > personally I've never been to a strip club before -- pay to play just > aint for me.
Do you pay your cover charges and other expenses at regular clubs with monopoly money?
-- Ray Gordon, Author http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating affiliated books!
>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. > Get >> the lays while you can!
> WARNING: Anybody who takes GORK seriously will get laughed at as soon as > that's known. Run away as fast as you can.
Any man who doesn't want a great method for laying strippers is free to take Vince's alternative advice.
Go ahead, Vince, educate the public here on how to seduce strippers.
By the way, I did not knock off Mystery's work any more than Ross knocked off Bandler's. I took some of his basic concepts and used them to lay strippers, and gave him full props for the ideas, but I'm still the one who evolved them to fit this specific situation.
Of course, knockoffs are a part of mail order. My family was in mail order and expected the knockoffs to hit the market within six months of their debut; that's par for the course. My e-book and general business model has been "knocked off" by dozens of new gurus, and they'll be "knocked off" by others in the future. Such is the nature of commerce in America; ideas cannot be copyrighted, and everyone is going to put their individual spin on them.
So, Vince, tell the people here how to lay strippers. My method is proven successful and I endorse it 100 percent. The worst that'll happen is that a guy wastes an hour and about $15-20 in a strip club. Compare that with the $12.00 cocktails at the club Mystery was at that was referenced in the Elle article, or the $20 cover charge most clubs charge, and it's not exactly expensive.
-- Ray Gordon, Author http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating affiliated books!
mWarrior wrote: > Ray Gordon wrote: > > WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's > > known. Get the lays while you can!
> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They > get addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The > only way to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends > made up of alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
> Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
speekin az a former dancerr, it iz a loade of crapp. it wuz a freakin job justt like any udder. we were there to make a livin not to pick up men. that shitt wuz juss ritten by someone with a velly actibe fantasee imaginationn.
U go clockk in fer your shift, get dressed, do yer frickin job fer 8 hours, count yer tipz fer zee shift, get dressed, go home and libe and pay yer billz juss like eveebodee else.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- I never knew zee grocery could be so much fun! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------
>>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. >>> Get the lays while you can!
>> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get >> addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way >> to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of >> alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
> Wrong.
> Neg them, ignore them, and blockade them (if they persist then they cost > their fellow dancers money), and they can't get enough of you.
> This is a field-tested tactic that has led to many "plucks" (when you stay > in touch with a stripper after work).
Of course it has.
All because Gordon says so.
This is a time-tested way to get yourself thrown out of a strip-club for abusive behavior towards the girls.
>> Don't waste you time on Strippers. They are far too narcassistic.
> Why do you think I no longer use the method?
> When I do go into strip clubs (extremely rare now), I just neg the crap out > of them (politely, of course).
Gordon is never polite to anyone.
He should stop presenting his thought-experiments as facts and trying to get others to field-test his bullshit because he's too nuts to step outside his mommy's apartment.
in article 7LlKd.392$091.206@trndny02, Ray Gordon at r...@cybersheet.com wrote on 1/28/05 2:22 AM:
>> Actually around here at least, the only way to a strippers heart is >> with cocaine or heroin or something similar. Have either one of those >> and you're in. At least thats what my old friends used to tell me, >> personally I've never been to a strip club before -- pay to play just >> aint for me.
> Do you pay your cover charges and other expenses at regular clubs with > monopoly money?
Gordon does.
Since he's a failure at getting enough of the real stuff to afford anything else.
Ray Gordon wrote: >WARNING: This method will not work
At least that part is true.
[...]
>I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this >tactic before,
Musta been some real bottom-shelf skank and/or serious psycho.
[..being fed up with wasting my money on the ugly dancers..]
>"Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip >one more time, I'm going to walk straight out of here and I >doubt the other dancers would appreciate losing the money. >Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
Isn't that just special. Can't help but wonder if you say that within earshot of a bouncer. 'Cuz if you do, and you're not a regular or a movie star, you'll be politely asked to clip the attitude or leave.
>Now the staff won't help her
No, not "help" as such; I certainly wouldn't try to force you to give up a WHOLE DOLLAR, but it's very likely you're also not staying.
>because they want their cut of my money,
Wrong. A) In any even-halfway-decent "gentleman's club", the barstaff is salaried and doesn't get tips from dancers. In fact, many places prohibit it to prevent both favoritism and similar practices to the one you're touting here. B) Cheap motherfuckers like you take up space that a paying customer could be using. C) Any "cut" of the few measly dollars one customer doles-out in $1 tips definitely isn't worth the potential trouble.
>When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the >customary dollar while praising her looks. She walked away >beaming. >Then the hottie showed up after the next song. >I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for >my coat and said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather >stay." She backed off and left me alone. >At first. >She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I >don't want a tip." (props to myself for this because now she's >a returning fox).
And then your alarm clock went off and you woke up. Dunno where you live, but even in ths shittier nudie bars out my way, strippers (and especially the top-shelf girls) aren't coming back to you; they have paying customers and regulars to take care of. You *might* get a return visit on a slow night, but never is she not there for the tip.
>I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex."
No denying that some strippers do indeed appreciate a sense of humor.
>I make HEAVY eye contact and have a facial expression that says >"I'll rock your world if you let me and don't give me any shit >along the way."
I'd imagine most strippers are used to dealing with a little drool from time-to-time as well.
>I was right: she wanted sex.
Just not from you is all.
>Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it.
Bait and switch, a "technique" as old-n-busted pressed vinyl music. Once the girl you dissed gets backstage, you can bet that the weenie nonsense you pulled at the bar will get around to the rest of the dancers - then all of 'em will know you're trying to pull some bullshit.
>Go ahead, folks, field test this.
Can't imagine it'd be worthwhile outside of some of the nastier skank pits.
>I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but >it's too edgy for general consumption, and will get you thrown >out of the club about 20 percent of the time
I'd say something approaching 100%. And if, by some unlucky (?) circumstance, you happen to be sitting next to the stripper's boyfriend/husband, it might even get you bitchslapped first. Take it from someone who's worked in strip clubs and dated some few strippers: This "technique" is far more of a dumbass blunder than anything else. If you don't know how to talk to people (..and 'yes', strippers are actually people, believe it or not..) no amount of silly-ass headgames like that will work out. Ya wanna know which guys the girls are usually attracted to? The one's that (at least) look like they're actually having fun. Even good-looking guys get passed by if they're being grouchy or playing teenaged head-games like the bait'n'switch nonsense. Even ugly-ass mugs such as yours truly can get girlies to sit down for drinks after their shift is over, and even go out elsewhere afterwards if the girl feels even mildly comfortable that ulterior motives are not at the tippy-top of the agenda. And guess what? The bonus is that having fun works even better when you're at a club where girls aren't paid to get nekkid. Amazing! This alleged "technique" thing will most likely mark you as a desperate loser to both strippers and barstaff; if it has gotten you laid as you claim it has (..and I, for one, find it highly unlikely) then it's not so much the technique as plain-old dumb luck. But like the old bromide says, even blind squirrels find an acorn every now'n'then.
Mikey (..got any other snake-oil recipes you'd like debunked?)
OK. I haven't seen anybody post anything abouty how strip clubs REALLY work..... so maybe you all need a bit oif education.
STRIP CLUBS = FLEECE JOINTS.
That's it. Plain and simple.
One of my best friends was the head bartender at a strip club in Myrtle Beach SC.... when I lived there in the Mid 80's. Granted, that's in the Dark Ages to some of you out there.... and some of you out there weren't even out of pampers yet.... but things don't change in places like that. I used to go to this guy's and his girlfriends house on Sundays for seafood roasts and cookouts! We partied together away from the Club Environment. And, this went on for over a year. He and actually talked about opening up a normal club in Myrtle Beach... So when I say I know what I am talking about, I think I pretty well know the skinny.
The ENTIRE objective of these places is to part you from your money. Don't believe me?? Go to a place and don't tip..... see how long you last. Some places will even ask you to leave if you aren't going to "support the hard working girls"!!
Start off with.... The house takes the gate. That $10 cover you pay goes STRAIGHT into the owner's pocket.
Next is the bar. Drinks are always inflated. Bartender usually makes about 20% of the profit from the bar..... How he makes that profit higher is HIS business. ALWAYS drink beer at a Strip Club! No watering down! Oh, and the Bar usualy gets about 20% of the girl's tips.
Next comes the DJ. He gets 25%-35% of the girls take. Flat out. ANd believe me..... He watches. Counts the table dances.... Counts the Back Room visits..... If a girl is caught holding out... it doesn't go well. At VERY least she is kicked out of the club.
The bouncer staff gets about 25% of the cash the bar and what the DJ Makes.
Now, as for the "Ladies" that work these places.
About 40% of the strippers are Lesbians. About 60% of the Girls are man haters for one reason or another. They get off on the thought of screwing over a guy. They LOVE that they take his cash and he is so stupid to think that he's actually gonna get lucky!!! It's a power trip for a great many of the girls.
OK, Let's look at the remaining 40%.
About half of those are regular girls with some sort of personal agenda. They want to get into acting or modeling.... or they are saving for some sort of post stripping activity when the gravity makes their "jiggly" parts less appealing.
What it boils down to is this guys..... Less than 3 in a hundred strippers ever get turned on by what they do. That number drops drastically the longer they stay in the business.
They are treated lich Shit. Many of them have "boyfriends" that act more like Pimps taking all of their cash. They work VERY long hours and the work is pretty tough. YOU go squeeze yourself into a tight pair of high heels and prance around exeuding HIGH ENERGY for 12 hours a day and see how chipper YOU are. See how fast YOU want to go hop into bed and spread your legs!
I guarentee you... you start asking the girls for favors.... or the bartender who is the easiest there... you will be handed a little business card with a phone number to call for the Whore du joir!!
Don't believe me? Go ahead. Actually try. Don't take my word for it! IF you get felt up in the back room...... It's just enough to keep you on the hook for another $50 Private dance! You actually think she is gonna get you off???? Come on man. THINK..... You get off, you leave. No more cash!!! You run out of cash? YOu think she will have mercy on you??? Not when some other guy is waiting at the door with more cash!
Now, I am not going to call anybody here any names. That is not my intent. I don't flame so don't take ths as a flame response.
This is quite simply the truth about strippers and what goes on in these places.
You stand less of a chance of getting "laid" in a strip club than you do at a Church Social!!!
Strip Clubs are good for a little eye candy.... and that's it PERIOD!
>>I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this >>tactic before,
> Musta been some real bottom-shelf skank and/or serious psycho.
As opposed to the virgins that the other gurus seduce same-day from nightclubs?
> [..being fed up with wasting my money on the ugly dancers..] >>"Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip >>one more time, I'm going to walk straight out of here and I >>doubt the other dancers would appreciate losing the money. >>Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
> Isn't that just special. > Can't help but wonder if you say that within earshot of a bouncer. > 'Cuz if you do, and you're not a regular or a movie star, you'll be > politely asked to clip the attitude or leave.
Wrong again: strip clubs don't kick out guys who have attitude, especially when they buy top-shelf drinks and tip the barmaid well. They know many of their customers go in there when they aren't at their best.
Asking me to leave would cost the other dancers money. You must have missed that part.
>>Now the staff won't help her
> No, not "help" as such; I certainly wouldn't try to force you to > give up a WHOLE DOLLAR, but it's very likely you're also not staying.
Wrong again. She also doesn't know if it's just $1.00 or a lot more she's giving up on.
When did you work in strip clubs? If you did, and it was more than 10 years ago, the environment has changed drastically; far fewer suckers than in years past.
>>because they want their cut of my money,
> Wrong. > A) In any even-halfway-decent "gentleman's club", the barstaff is > salaried and doesn't get tips from dancers.
They get tips from customers. Duh.
>In fact, many places > prohibit it to prevent both favoritism and similar practices to the > one you're touting here.
Many is not "all"
> B) Cheap motherfuckers like you take up space that a paying customer > could be using.
So men who don't pay up get harassed and called names? Clubs are pretty empty places these days, btw.
Actually being "cheap" at a strip club is about the ONLY way to reliably pluck a dancer. The guy uses money the way the stripper uses her body.
> C) Any "cut" of the few measly dollars one customer doles-out in $1 > tips definitely isn't worth the potential trouble.
You never know the size of the tip.
>>When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the >>customary dollar while praising her looks. She walked away >>beaming. >>Then the hottie showed up after the next song. >>I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for >>my coat and said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather >>stay." She backed off and left me alone. >>At first. >>She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I >>don't want a tip." (props to myself for this because now she's >>a returning fox).
> And then your alarm clock went off and you woke up.
You sound jealous.
> Dunno where you live, but even in ths shittier nudie bars out my > way, strippers (and especially the top-shelf girls) aren't coming back > to you; they have paying customers and regulars to take care of.
Next you'll tell me how women never date the jerk and always go for the nice guy. <snicker>
>You > *might* get a return visit on a slow night, but never is she not there > for the tip.
Maybe not from YOU, but you might not be as interesting as ME. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
>>I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex."
> No denying that some strippers do indeed appreciate a sense of > humor.
Yep.
>>I make HEAVY eye contact and have a facial expression that says >>"I'll rock your world if you let me and don't give me any shit >>along the way."
> I'd imagine most strippers are used to dealing with a little drool > from time-to-time as well.
It's not drooling in this frame.
>>I was right: she wanted sex.
> Just not from you is all.
Sounds like you wish that were the case. I'm not surprised.
>>Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it.
> Bait and switch, a "technique" as old-n-busted pressed vinyl music. > Once the girl you dissed gets backstage, you can bet that the weenie > nonsense you pulled at the bar will get around to the rest of the > dancers - then all of 'em will know you're trying to pull some > bullshit.
You only do it to the hottest dancer in the club. Every other dancer is treated normally. You must have missed that part.
Doesn't matter now anyway as I published the method so it's "known."
>>Go ahead, folks, field test this.
> Can't imagine it'd be worthwhile outside of some of the nastier > skank pits.
Hotties wind up in skank pits. I agree that the very high-level clubs are a different breed of cat.
>>I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but >>it's too edgy for general consumption, and will get you thrown >>out of the club about 20 percent of the time
> I'd say something approaching 100%.
From "Alice":
MEL: "When I want a woman, I just go up to her and say 'Baby, your place or mine?'
ALICE: "I bet you get your face slapped 90 percent of the time!"
MEL: "I do."
ALICE: "Then why do you do it?"
MEL: "The other 10 percent!"
> And if, by some unlucky (?) circumstance, you happen to be sitting > next to the stripper's boyfriend/husband, it might even get you > bitchslapped first.
That would get the club sued for a fortune, and their boyfriends and husbands are generally not allowed to visit the club.
> Take it from someone who's worked in strip clubs and dated some few > strippers:
Yet who doesn't know that clubs don't allow boyfriends and husbands to visit while their women are working.
>This "technique" is far more of a dumbass blunder than > anything else.
Or a brilliancy beyond your comprehension.
>If you don't know how to talk to people (..and 'yes', > strippers are actually people, believe it or not..) no amount of > silly-ass headgames like that will work out.
Like I said, it's been published so I wouldn't use it again myself.
> Ya wanna know which guys the girls are usually attracted to? > The one's that (at least) look like they're actually having fun.
They're attracted to the MONEY those guys might have.
> Even good-looking guys get passed by if they're being grouchy or > playing teenaged head-games like the bait'n'switch nonsense.
In theory, I'd agree with you; in practice, I got laid using that technique.
Another "head game" I've used effectively in a strip club is to give the dancer a "talk or tip" option, telling her she has a choice of either taking a tip from me or talking to me.
You'd be surprised at how effective that one is.
>Even > ugly-ass mugs such as yours truly can get girlies to sit down for > drinks after their shift is over, and even go out elsewhere afterwards > if the girl feels even mildly comfortable that ulterior motives are > not at the tippy-top of the agenda.
Clubs fire dancers who do that. I'm surprised that someone who worked there wouldn't know that?
> And guess what? The bonus is that having fun works even better when > you're at a club where girls aren't paid to get nekkid.
A club with a $20 cover charge for men and none for women?
>Amazing! > This alleged "technique" thing will most likely mark you as a > desperate loser to both strippers and barstaff; if it has gotten you > laid as you claim it has (..and I, for one, find it highly unlikely) > then it's not so much the technique as plain-old dumb luck.
I'd rather be lucky than good. Oh, by the way, there's no mention of sex in any of this. Just me telling a dancer that if she asks me for a tip one more time I'm leaving and that will cost the other dancers (and the club) money.
The reason I used to give for this the few times I was asked and actually said something, I said that I prefer to choose who gets my money. If they don't want my money, that's fine.
> But like the old bromide says, even blind squirrels find an acorn > every now'n'then.
I must have a sixth sense then.
> Mikey (..got any other snake-oil recipes you'd like debunked?)
I'm surprised that you worked in clubs and thought that boyfriends and husbands were allow to watch their women.
-- Ray Gordon, Author http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating affiliated books!
> OK. I haven't seen anybody post anything abouty how strip clubs REALLY > work..... so maybe you all need a bit oif education.
> STRIP CLUBS = FLEECE JOINTS.
> That's it. Plain and simple.
Right. If a guy isn't parting with his money, then they have to WORK to get it.
Women who don't put out get a lot of money from guys, yet you'd think guys wouldn't go for that. Why do they? HOPE.
Ask Mystery what he thinks of this one. He's the "inventor" of neg theory and ignoring the target. He also knows that a lot of what works is counterintuitive, for if it weren't, every guy would be doing it.
> One of my best friends was the head bartender at a strip club in > Myrtle Beach SC.... when I lived there in the Mid 80's.
You get your information from a GUY BARTENDER?
>Granted, > that's in the Dark Ages to some of you out there....
This wouldn't have worked 20 years ago. See above.
Strip clubs are hurting BADLY these days. They are "running out of suckers."
>and some of you > out there weren't even out of pampers yet.... but things don't change > in places like that.
They do when the money supply is contracting as more and more men figure out that giving money gets them nowhere.
>I used to go to this guy's and his girlfriends > house on Sundays for seafood roasts and cookouts! We partied together > away from the Club Environment. And, this went on for over a year. He > and actually talked about opening up a normal club in Myrtle Beach... > So when I say I know what I am talking about, I think I pretty well > know the skinny.
From a GUY's perspective. You're not a chick, and even chicks don't admit what they go for, as any guy in this group would attest.
> The ENTIRE objective of these places is to part you from your money.
In theory.
> Don't believe me?? Go to a place and don't tip..... see how long you > last.
My record is seven hours on $19.00, with another customer buying my drinks at the instructions of one of the dancers.
Another time, I had a dancer who offered to pay the house fee for a champagne room if I would hypnotize her in it.
>Some places will even ask you to leave if you aren't going to > "support the hard working girls"!!
Let them. My money remains intact if they do that.
Oh, another thing: if you go when a club is EMPTY, you being there is a plus because it makes the club look busier and gives other guys the impression that you have competition.
Here's another tactic: tell a dancer to tell the next guy she visits that you just tipped her $100 for nothing, and to tell him not to bother tipping her...THAT TIME. He feels a sense of competition just as someone who is bid up out the wazoo at an auction would.
Hmm...maybe I should flip sides and teach the girls how to better fleece the guys! Thanks!!
> Start off with.... The house takes the gate. That $10 cover you pay > goes STRAIGHT into the owner's pocket.
I haven't paid a cover charge at a strip club in three years.
My tactic? "Is it really worth letting a $5 cover to stop me from spending what I have on me in this club tonight?" Works more often than not. No club in its right mind is going to turn down money. Not my fault if other guys don't know how to negotiate.
Cover charges are only for those who are stupid enough to pay them. Even if I spend only $30 on a visit, that's $30 they otherwise wouldn't get. Why would they let a $5 cover stand in the way of $30 in revenue? Makes no sense.
> Next is the bar. Drinks are always inflated. Bartender usually makes > about 20% of the profit from the bar..... How he makes that profit > higher is HIS business. ALWAYS drink beer at a Strip Club! No watering > down!
I can always tell a watered-down drink (I know how drunk I get off of a drink and can tell from the taste), and they pour them right in front of me, so unless they are tampering with the bottles, which they might be.
>Oh, and the Bar usualy gets about 20% of the girl's tips.
Not at the clubs I've gone to.
> Next comes the DJ. He gets 25%-35% of the girls take.
These days they get like a $15 fee per shift, tops.
>Flat out. ANd > believe me..... He watches. Counts the table dances.... Counts the > Back Room visits..... If a girl is caught holding out... it doesn't go > well. At VERY least she is kicked out of the club.
Depends on the club. Not all clubs are structured that way.
> The bouncer staff gets about 25% of the cash the bar and what the DJ > Makes.
At the clubs I go to the bouncers get a cut of the lapdances but not the bar tips.
> Now, as for the "Ladies" that work these places.
> About 40% of the strippers are Lesbians. About 60% of the Girls are > man haters for one reason or another. They get off on the thought of > screwing over a guy.
And on the thought of a guy who can teach them how to do that better to OTHER GUYS.
Duh.
>They LOVE that they take his cash and he is so > stupid to think that he's actually gonna get lucky!!!
Until he closes up his wallet and they wonder how many other men are wising up.
Like I said, the clubs are running out of suckers. It's a true crisis.
>It's a power > trip for a great many of the girls.
Correct, and when they can't exert their "power" they get frustrated and try harder.
Stupid, but that's how gameplayers are.
> OK, Let's look at the remaining 40%.
> About half of those are regular girls with some sort of personal > agenda. They want to get into acting or modeling.... or they are > saving for some sort of post stripping activity when the gravity makes > their "jiggly" parts less appealing.
Some of them are "newbies" who don't belong there. I plucked out one who had only danced for a very short time in her entire life.
> What it boils down to is this guys..... Less than 3 in a hundred > strippers ever get turned on by what they do.
I can do very well with a 3 percent lay rate.
>That number drops > drastically the longer they stay in the business.
You overlook so many factors that influence dancer behavior:
1. They have to be there; I do not. That is an incredible advantage.
2. They are still women, and still react to men.
3. They have to approach me, so the ice is automatically broken.
> They are treated lich Shit. Many of them have "boyfriends" that act > more like Pimps taking all of their cash.
Gee, how'd they get so dumb?
>They work VERY long hours > and the work is pretty tough.
Yeah, $400 for a six-hour shift is BRUTAL!
>YOU go squeeze yourself into a tight > pair of high heels and prance around exeuding HIGH ENERGY for 12 hours > a day and see how chipper YOU are.
Dancer shifts are six-hours, and most of it is spent sitting down.
>See how fast YOU want to go hop > into bed and spread your legs!
I give good massages. Think they value that?
> I guarentee you... you start asking the girls for favors.... or the > bartender who is the easiest there... you will be handed a little > business card with a phone number to call for the Whore du joir!!
You don't ask for sex. Duh. You just behave in a way more likely to get them to offer it. If they don't, no problem! They're the ones missing out.
The "I am the prize" mentality.
> Don't believe me? Go ahead. Actually try. Don't take my word for it! > IF you get felt up in the back room...... It's just enough to keep you > on the hook for another $50 Private dance!
And if I don't part with the next $50 what's the next tactic?
>You actually think she is > gonna get you off???? Come on man. THINK..... You get off, you leave. > No more cash!!! You run out of cash? YOu think she will have mercy on > you??? Not when some other guy is waiting at the door with more cash!
This of course can be used as a preemptive tactic since you can tell her all this BEFORE you give her a dime.
I have an even better tactic for that one which I won't share since I still use it.
> Now, I am not going to call anybody here any names. That is not my > intent. I don't flame so don't take ths as a flame response.
I don't. I expect disbelief. If the method were easily believed, every guy in the world would be using it.
ASF was built on counterintuitive methods. Also, even if this fails 95 percent of the time, that 5 percent can be incredible.
When a woman wants $400 for a champagne court, and I tell her I could fly to Costa Rica, pay for my hotel room, AND a whore for two nights for not much more money than that, and say she's overpriced, she has to deal with the same problem that computer programmers have to deal with when someone in India is willing to do their job for $12.50 an hour.
I believe the first thing I asked you in this post was what era you were talking about. I agree that most of this stuff would never have worked in the 1980s. These, however, are the zeros.
> This is quite simply the truth about strippers and what goes on in > these places.
Here's the ONLY truth I can tell you about strippers and seducing them: no two clubs are the same, and no club is the same on any given day.
> You stand less of a chance of getting "laid" in a strip club than you > do at a Church Social!!!
Now that is pure bullshit, as several of my friends have proven (one guy only had $300 a week income from a trust fund and barely tipped them, yet he brought two of them home).
> Strip Clubs are good for a little eye candy.... and that's it PERIOD!
And if you tell the dancers that you understand "the game" you become part of their "secret society." Once they realize you can't be fleeced they RESPECT you as a man. Duh.
-- Ray Gordon, Author http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating affiliated books!
>> Actually around here at least, the only way to a strippers heart is >> with cocaine or heroin or something similar. Have either one of those >> and you're in. At least thats what my old friends used to tell me, >> personally I've never been to a strip club before -- pay to play just >> aint for me.
> Do you pay your cover charges and other expenses at regular clubs with > monopoly money?
He probably gets closer to strippers than you do, based on your posts.
>>> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. >>> Get the lays while you can!
>> What a crock. Stripper have men gawck over them day after day. They get >> addicted to the attention and expect it even off the stage. The only way >> to score with those chicks is to go with a group of friends made up of >> alpha types of which you are the most dominate.
> Wrong.
> Neg them, ignore them, and blockade them (if they persist then they cost > their fellow dancers money), and they can't get enough of you.
Wrong. Ignore them and they will ignore you. Good luck, fuckstick.
> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. > Get the lays while you can!
> Okay, I'm going to reveal my Ace in the hole, my trump card, my technique > for laying strippers you meet in their clubs. This technique is SO simple > that even an idiot (read: half of my critics) could use it to get laid. I > have to give some props to Mystery here because he inspired it with his > "neg" theory.
> I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this tactic before, > and it's a very, VERY simple one. To pull it off, of course, you have to > have a POSITIVE ATTITUDE about it, the kind where you smile while you're > telling someone to fuck off.
> As usual, I discovered the method by accident, on a day when I was in a > mood where I didn't feel like taking anyone's shit. I hauled ass over to > a strip club in a neighboring town (don't hit the clubs in your home city > if you can avoid it, for the same reasons the dancers don't work in their > hoods).
> I did not want to publish this for the longest time because once this cat > is out of the bag, the method will stop working, but what the fuck, I > don't use it anymore.
> The basic approach of tipping "$1 a clip" and drinking is still in force. > This approach is based on a hardcore "neg" that isn't easy to pull off, > and which of course can backfire (but who gives a shit if it works a > lot?). Fortunately, when it does backfire you'll save money and can just > try it on another club.
> As usual, this night I walked into the club, there were about 15 dancers > in the rotation, maybe six of them were fuckable, and of those, maybe two > of them were truly hot. Also as usual, the super-hotties were busy giving > dances and fleecing the suckers out of their money, while the desperate, > ugly strippers were making rounds (no shock there).
> I'm thinking to myself "what a fucking crock" and that this was a bait and > switch. As this UG Stripper (maybe a 7, but a UG for a stripper) > approaches me, I think of the PERFECT neg for her, based on my being fed > up with wasting my money on the ugly dancers, and tell myself that when > she approaches, I would say in a very polite tone, the following:
> "Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip one more > time, I'm going to walk straight out of here and I doubt the other dancers > would appreciate losing the money. Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
Please tell a "stripper" that line Ray Ray. When she tells you to get the fuck out, don't come crying to us. BTW, what does your mommy have to say about you attempting to pick up strippers?
From the opinion of someone who runs the largest and most-trafficked web site in the world related to pick-up and seduction, I can emphatically tell everyone that what Mr. Parker wrote below is useless total crap bullshit.
He also sets his "advice" up for explanation of failure later when the people who don't know Mr Parker's USENet history try to actually follow this "advice" and come back asking why it didn't work for them, he can claim "It's too late, it's now too well-known." or "You didn't do it right" or any number of other excuses except the truth: His "advice" is horsehit.
> WARNING: This method will not work for much longer now that it's known. Get > the lays while you can!
> Okay, I'm going to reveal my Ace in the hole, my trump card, my technique > for laying strippers you meet in their clubs. This technique is SO simple > that even an idiot (read: half of my critics) could use it to get laid. I > have to give some props to Mystery here because he inspired it with his > "neg" theory.
> I have gotten actual lays with actual strippers using this tactic before, > and it's a very, VERY simple one. To pull it off, of course, you have to > have a POSITIVE ATTITUDE about it, the kind where you smile while you're > telling someone to fuck off.
> As usual, I discovered the method by accident, on a day when I was in a mood > where I didn't feel like taking anyone's shit. I hauled ass over to a strip > club in a neighboring town (don't hit the clubs in your home city if you can > avoid it, for the same reasons the dancers don't work in their hoods).
> I did not want to publish this for the longest time because once this cat is > out of the bag, the method will stop working, but what the fuck, I don't use > it anymore.
> The basic approach of tipping "$1 a clip" and drinking is still in force. > This approach is based on a hardcore "neg" that isn't easy to pull off, and > which of course can backfire (but who gives a shit if it works a lot?). > Fortunately, when it does backfire you'll save money and can just try it on > another club.
> As usual, this night I walked into the club, there were about 15 dancers in > the rotation, maybe six of them were fuckable, and of those, maybe two of > them were truly hot. Also as usual, the super-hotties were busy giving > dances and fleecing the suckers out of their money, while the desperate, > ugly strippers were making rounds (no shock there).
> I'm thinking to myself "what a fucking crock" and that this was a bait and > switch. As this UG Stripper (maybe a 7, but a UG for a stripper) approaches > me, I think of the PERFECT neg for her, based on my being fed up with > wasting my money on the ugly dancers, and tell myself that when she > approaches, I would say in a very polite tone, the following:
> "Please don't take offense, but if you approach me for a tip one more time, > I'm going to walk straight out of here and I doubt the other dancers would > appreciate losing the money. Could you please just LEAVE ME ALONE?"
> Now the staff won't help her because they want their cut of my money, and I > always make sure to tip the bartender well, while tipping the other dancers, > so in essence they are being singled out. I figured if I didn't tip the UG > I could save the dollar for a visit by a hottie.
> Then I had a flash of inspiration and remembered two things Mystery > preaches:
> 1. Neg the HOTTIE
> 2. Ignore the TARGET.
> When the UG came, I was EXTRA nice to her, and tipped her the customary > dollar while praising her looks. She walked away beaming.
> Then the hottie showed up after the next song.
> I used the line on her. She began to protest, but I reached for my coat and > said "if you want me to leave, I will, but I'd rather stay." She backed off > and left me alone.
> At first.
> She comes back and the first words out of her mouth were "I don't want a > tip." (props to myself for this because now she's a returning fox).
> I say to her: "Let me guess, you want sex." I make HEAVY eye contact and > have a facial expression that says "I'll rock your world if you let me and > don't give me any shit along the way."
> I was right: she wanted sex. Who was I to deny a damsel in distress?
> Classic hot-cold, push-pull, or whatever you want to call it. Go ahead, > folks, field test this. You'll see how powerful it is when you do it right.
> I have a new line I use on them that's an even worse neg, but it's too edgy > for general consumption, and will get you thrown out of the club about 20 > percent of the time (and laid the other 80 percent). Perhaps in a few > years...
