Why?
Penelope
Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
I'm serious here. I'm really distressed. I know there are plenty of
men who like and love cats, which is one reason I'm asking this
question here. There are many men who unashamedly enjoy the company of
cats who still read, if not post much, here. A trait I had not
realized I appreciated until I met its lack.
Occasionally I run across a woman who hates cats, but they never seem
to take the sadistic pleasure in posting their hate or posting
pictures of dead cats where they know cat lovers will see them.
Certainly this is nothing new, but it has come to a head for me on a
hot pepper group I post to a lot. There was, over the weekend, a video
posted to YouTube of two teens abusing a pet cat. When another member,
a cat owning man, posted his disgust about it, several others
immediately posted that it wasn't so bad, and besides they hated cats,
and it was the media making a big deal about it that was the problem.
So, I'm trying to get past the obvious cliches about small penises and
comprehend, if not understand, why so many men need to talk about
torturing and killing cats.
And, of course, abusing or torturing any animal in your care is
obscene, but so many average men seem to need to talk about torturing
and killing cats.
And, yes, I have been drinking. I can't get the image of that
beautiful iron gray cat wailing its distress while those teens
laughed.
Penelope
Orlando Enrique Fiol
>Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
>cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
Why do so many women adore cats and become incensed with anyone who isn't
particularly crazy about them?
>I'm serious here. I'm really distressed. I know there are plenty of
>men who like and love cats, which is one reason I'm asking this
>question here. There are many men who unashamedly enjoy the company of
>cats who still read, if not post much, here. A trait I had not
>realized I appreciated until I met its lack.
I have never killed anyone, yet some men do. Do you expect me to tell you why,
as if being a man automatically gave me murder insights?
>Occasionally I run across a woman who hates cats, but they never seem
>to take the sadistic pleasure in posting their hate or posting
>pictures of dead cats where they know cat lovers will see them.
Sadistic people post pictures of violence against blacks where blacks will see
them. Sadistic people will rant about violence against Muslims, Jews or
Mexicans where those people frequent in order to get a rise out of them.
>Certainly this is nothing new, but it has come to a head for me on a
>hot pepper group I post to a lot. There was, over the weekend, a video
>posted to YouTube of two teens abusing a pet cat. When another member,
>a cat owning man, posted his disgust about it, several others
>immediately posted that it wasn't so bad, and besides they hated cats,
>and it was the media making a big deal about it that was the problem.
I agree that cruelty to animals should not be glorified even in jest.
>So, I'm trying to get past the obvious cliches about small penises and
>comprehend, if not understand, why so many men need to talk about
>torturing and killing cats.
>And, of course, abusing or torturing any animal in your care is
>obscene, but so many average men seem to need to talk about torturing
>and killing cats.
It has nothing to do with penis size; it has to do with power and the need to
manifest cruelty in order to feel important or threatening in a world where
people so often feel dispensable.
>And, yes, I have been drinking. I can't get the image of that
>beautiful iron gray cat wailing its distress while those teens
>laughed.
That image would have haunted me as well. Don't worry, your outrage is not
invalidated in my book by drink. Seriously, I think people honestly believe
certain kinds of cruelty to be fun or harmless in the larger scheme of things.
Cats are living things worthy of as much respect as humans get. In fact,
they're worthy of even more compassion because they can't think on our level.
That said, I've had pet cats over the years and haven't liked them much. I'm
not big on cuddly animals or cat piss on closets and on my bed. I'm also not
very fond of cat claws scratching everything in sight or sound. However, I'd
never condone the torturing of even a single cat, whether in jest or in
earnest.
Orlando
Paul Wallich
> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
[rest snipped]
Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about and get off on the
torture of so many different kinds of helpless creatures, including
other humans? And especially in venues where they know people would be
upset? (Where "so many" isn't necessarily near a majority, but to my
mind any significantly nonzero number is a problem.)
My guess is that cats are, stereotypically speaking, pets for women.
Sure, there's the trope of the tomcat, but mostly cats are generically
female, and the stereotypical image of people who love cats is either
female or somehow effeminate. Real Men have dogs[1]. So spreading images
and stories of cat torture around is a more plausibly deniable form of
violent misogyny than spreading around images and stories of tortured
women.
Yeah, I know, "wlecome to the patriarchy, now start scrubbing the floor"
is a tired old explanation, but it's tired for a reason.
paul
[1] There's a fairly creepy O Henry story about a man who is
investigating an allegation that another man is beating his wife (who is
the sister of a friend of the first man or some such, iirc). There are
of course no signs of abuse when the investigator comes to visit, so he
kicks the husband's dog -- of course he has a dog -- and the husband,
outraged, threatens to kill him if he touches the dog again. That's when
the investigator knows that the wife-beating allegations are true,
because, according to O Henry at least -- any man that in love with a
dog needs some other defenseless creature to vent his frustrations on.
songbird
> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
...
> And, yes, I have been drinking. I can't get the image of that
> beautiful iron gray cat wailing its distress while those teens
> laughed.
teens, that pretty much explains it. i recall some time when
people i knew mentioned doing such things and laughing about
it. i shuddered and thought it was cruel. peer pressure, boredom,
drug use, stupidity, callousness, self-centered hedonism, sadism,
etc. well, how do you explain cultures which encourage this
sort of thing through violent movies, songs, and television?
as a kid, i went out and hunted frogs. after a few trips out
it turned into boredom and i stopped. now i look back in
horror. i like to think i grew up and learned something about
the web of life and trying to treat facinating creatures with
respect.
songbird
Penelope
>Penelope wrote:
>> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
>> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
>
>[rest snipped]
>
>
>Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about and get off on the
>torture of so many different kinds of helpless creatures, including
>other humans? And especially in venues where they know people would be
>upset? (Where "so many" isn't necessarily near a majority, but to my
>mind any significantly nonzero number is a problem.)
>
>My guess is that cats are, stereotypically speaking, pets for women.
>Sure, there's the trope of the tomcat, but mostly cats are generically
>female, and the stereotypical image of people who love cats is either
>female or somehow effeminate. Real Men have dogs[1]. So spreading images
>and stories of cat torture around is a more plausibly deniable form of
>violent misogyny than spreading around images and stories of tortured
>women.
>
>Yeah, I know, "wlecome to the patriarchy, now start scrubbing the floor"
>is a tired old explanation, but it's tired for a reason.
I guess..I guess I was hoping for a more complex and less obvious
explanation. Accepting that one means viewing people I genuinely liked
very differently.
Thank you, Paul.
Penelope
Hobart Floyt
news:MPG.2403e8d71...@news.motzarella.org...
> pperi...@att.net wrote:
>> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about
>> killing or torturing cats? Scratch that, why do
>> they get off on it?
>
> Why do so many women adore cats and become incensed
> with anyone who isn't particularly crazy about them?
It was noted by some researcher that kitten cries
are extremely similar to the cries of babies. Other
people have noted the similarity in the facial
proportions of cats and babies.
I would guess the similarities trigger some hardwired
"maternal instinct" and if someone takes pleasure in
torturing a cat, then that person is considered a
threat to a woman's babies (or future babies).
My former neighbors (apartment walls aren't that
thick) had the most horrific fights complete with
screaming, crying, threats, and destruction of
property. It was so bad, I wondered if I should
call the police. I did call the police the night
the guy got drunk and tried to break down MY door.
A few weeks later the guy torched his girlfriend's
cat. I think that ended their relationship because
other than a few brief visits to pick up stuff, I
didn't hear the guy again and she moved out soon after.
I really was physically nauseated by the whole thing.
I could rant about how the current culture has devalued
life, but it would be a waste of time because it would
cross into too many value systems of others. Anyway,
not all men dislike cats and not all women like cats.
Penelope
<pperi...@att.net> wrote:
>Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
>cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
So, I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and trying to
read some things. Paul, I think you got me pointed in the
right direction, but I think I'm going to have to diverge
from some of what you said.
The usual hand wavy, broad generalizations warnings should
apply, and all you outliers, yes, I know, you're special.
It seems to me that, in the parts of Western culture that I
have contact with, owning a cat or liking cats is seen as a
feminine trait. Men who like cats are seen as effeminate or
having effeminate traits. So, I'm thinking that men who need
to bash cats, who go on about dead cats and killing cats,
and who do so in a social setting are not simply insecure or
displacing aggression towards women. I think it's a sick
sort of male bonding, like spouting sports statistics. It's
an attempt to establish that they deserve a place in the
pecking order, if not what that place is.
And it's changing, I think, in some settings. In the setting
that had me so distressed last night, the machismo is thick
and odiferous enough to scrape off and use as compost. Sadly
I don't think I stand much of a chance of making any of the
culprits realize that boasting about maiming or abusing any
animal, not just cats, is pathetic, not macho.
So, I guess now I have to decide whether or not I want to
continue participating in a social group that values that
kind of grunting machismo.
Penelope
Orlando Enrique Fiol
>It seems to me that, in the parts of Western culture that I
>have contact with, owning a cat or liking cats is seen as a
>feminine trait. Men who like cats are seen as effeminate or
>having effeminate traits. So, I'm thinking that men who need
>to bash cats, who go on about dead cats and killing cats,
>and who do so in a social setting are not simply insecure or
>displacing aggression towards women. I think it's a sick
>sort of male bonding, like spouting sports statistics. It's
>an attempt to establish that they deserve a place in the
>pecking order, if not what that place is.
You could be on to something, although that explanation doesn't justify
cruelty.
>And it's changing, I think, in some settings. In the setting
>that had me so distressed last night, the machismo is thick
>and odiferous enough to scrape off and use as compost.
Why do you have contact with that machista setting?
>Sadly I don't think I stand much of a chance of making any of the
>culprits realize that boasting about maiming or abusing any
>animal, not just cats, is pathetic, not macho.
Perhaps, a man could convince them of their folly.
>So, I guess now I have to decide whether or not I want to
>continue participating in a social group that values that
>kind of grunting machismo.
What does that social group mean to you?
Orlando
Allison Turner-
>
>On 16 Feb 2009 19:51:29 -0500, Penelope
><pperi...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
>>cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
FWIW, I don't think I know any men who talk about killing or
torturing cats. Twenty years ago, my ex's stepfather would
make dead cat jokes. But he spent more time making dead baby
jokes, and it was clearly a way for him to poke and needle
people until they exploded - he was that sort of person. Not,
I think, what you're dealing with.
[...]
>It seems to me that, in the parts of Western culture that I
>have contact with, owning a cat or liking cats is seen as a
>feminine trait. Men who like cats are seen as effeminate or
>having effeminate traits.
Yep. Though (and here the 'special' categorization I snipped
applies) I seem to know quite a number of men who like cats
and have them as pets, and no one in our group thinks they're
effeminate. But we're not exactly yer 'normal' population.
>So, I'm thinking that men who need
>to bash cats, who go on about dead cats and killing cats,
>and who do so in a social setting are not simply insecure or
>displacing aggression towards women. I think it's a sick
>sort of male bonding, like spouting sports statistics. It's
>an attempt to establish that they deserve a place in the
>pecking order, if not what that place is.
"_I'm_ tough/brave/macho enough to not be grossed out over a
discussion of maimed cats! I bet I can gross _you_ out, cuz
you're not as tough/brave/macho." - that sort of thing?
>[...] Sadly
>I don't think I stand much of a chance of making any of the
>culprits realize that boasting about maiming or abusing any
>animal, not just cats, is pathetic, not macho.
Not even a weenie wiener joke? It would be so appropriate,
and I'm betting you'd do it much better than I could. It
seems like it might be more effective that a calm rational
statement, too.
-Allison
--
..
Paul Wallich
[...]
> It seems to me that, in the parts of Western culture that I
> have contact with, owning a cat or liking cats is seen as a
> feminine trait. Men who like cats are seen as effeminate or
> having effeminate traits. So, I'm thinking that men who need
> to bash cats, who go on about dead cats and killing cats,
> and who do so in a social setting are not simply insecure or
> displacing aggression towards women. I think it's a sick
> sort of male bonding, like spouting sports statistics. It's
> an attempt to establish that they deserve a place in the
> pecking order, if not what that place is.
I think you're making a distinction without a difference. For many men,
male-bonding things like spouting sports statistics _are_ about
insecurity and displacing aggression towards women, because it's assumed
that women will be unable to participate in said spouting and thus
excluded. When a woman turns out to have the same sports-knowledge chops
they do, some men freak out entirely. (Yes, the experience of a female
friend who was forced out of a job working for major league baseball
strongly affected my thinking on this.)
> And it's changing, I think, in some settings. In the setting
> that had me so distressed last night, the machismo is thick
> and odiferous enough to scrape off and use as compost. Sadly
> I don't think I stand much of a chance of making any of the
> culprits realize that boasting about maiming or abusing any
> animal, not just cats, is pathetic, not macho.
What you need is some guy whose macho credentials are beyond question --
maybe a multiply married skydiving navy seal grizzly wrestler who
subsists entirely on raw meat cured with scotch bonnets -- to come in
and say "Pick on something your own size, you wimps." (Then they'd start
rumors he was gay.)
paul
Steve Daniels
compelled Penelope <pperi...@att.net>, to say:
> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
I don't know any men who talk about or get off on killing or
torturing cats, or anything else for that matter. Note, I'm not
saying that they do not exist.
Maybe you need better friends.
--
Real men don't text.
Penelope
wrote:
>on 17 Feb 2009 10:12:52 -0500, Penelope stated:
<...>
>
>[...]
>>It seems to me that, in the parts of Western culture that I
>>have contact with, owning a cat or liking cats is seen as a
>>feminine trait. Men who like cats are seen as effeminate or
>>having effeminate traits.
>
>Yep. Though (and here the 'special' categorization I snipped
>applies) I seem to know quite a number of men who like cats
>and have them as pets, and no one in our group thinks they're
>effeminate. But we're not exactly yer 'normal' population.
Well, but that was why I posted this here. Even here in the waning
days, the average sniggler would think it pretty childish to even
consider verbally trashing an animal for status points. And would very
quickly be trashed themselves if they did.
I also suspect, living where I do, that I have more face time with
rednecks and other spouters of great ignorance then most of the rest
of you.
>>So, I'm thinking that men who need
>>to bash cats, who go on about dead cats and killing cats,
>>and who do so in a social setting are not simply insecure or
>>displacing aggression towards women. I think it's a sick
>>sort of male bonding, like spouting sports statistics. It's
>>an attempt to establish that they deserve a place in the
>>pecking order, if not what that place is.
>
>"_I'm_ tough/brave/macho enough to not be grossed out over a
>discussion of maimed cats! I bet I can gross _you_ out, cuz
>you're not as tough/brave/macho." - that sort of thing?
No, more along the lines of "you hate cats, you must have a set of
big dangly balls, just like me. You like cats, you must be a sissy
and a gay, not like us manly men over here."
>>[...] Sadly
>>I don't think I stand much of a chance of making any of the
>>culprits realize that boasting about maiming or abusing any
>>animal, not just cats, is pathetic, not macho.
>
>Not even a weenie wiener joke? It would be so appropriate,
>and I'm betting you'd do it much better than I could. It
>seems like it might be more effective that a calm rational
>statement, too.
Oh, I've excoriated them over their obviously desperate need for penis
extenders, and I've been witty and clever their glaring lack of manly
plumbing and made everyone laugh about it, too. I even get a fair
number of private messages from others telling me how glad they are
that I'm speaking up, but you already know what *that's* worth.
It's a moderated forum, so I'm limited in how far I can go. All the
moderators are male, of course, and all but one think "boys will be
boys". I'm working on another one. He has a Weimaraner that he adores,
so I told him everytime he sees a post that says "I hate cats" or
"dead cat" or "skin a cat" or someone posts a picture of a dead cat,
substitute "Weimaraner".
We'll see where I get.
Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn" <eli...@everybodycansing.com>
Penelope
<sdan...@gorge.net> wrote:
Not all the men on this group bash cats and other small
animals. And I do enjoy the pepper geeking I can get there,
plus that fact that I make those very men who need to bash
cats uncomfortable just by being myself. They're not
accustomed to uppity women at all.
But, yeah, I have given serious consideration to
deactivating my account and going elseweb. I'm not quite
ready to give up, though.
Penelope
--
You have proven yourself to be the most malicious,
classless person that I've encountered in years.
- "pointed" <poppy...@yahoo.com>
Vill...@webtv.net
bashing women <snork> and further avoiding the horked up furball of
bicycle riding fishes...... I submit for your consideration a somewhat
expanded context for "Why".
Bear with me. :)
When I go fishing, I catch fish. When I get one on the line there is a
whole body rush. It's my lizzard brain kicking me into high gear. It's
just chemistry and it feels damn good.
Now.
Thats the why.
Base brain capture and eat or die. It's basic instinct.
Common to us all in one form or another.
When I discuss with other fisherpeople "the one that got away" or "the
lunker that I landed" ....... It's not about the fish.
It's 'village building'. It's safety in numbers. It's about shared
survival.
I strongly suspect that you experience a 'high' when you plant, tend,
and harvest your peppers. I doubt that you think of castration of males
when you are doing it.
I also beleive that sharing your tips with others is usefull to you in
your 'village building'.
Yes?
On to what. _What_ is being done in your pepper sharing ng _by_ the
hunters _to_ the gatherers is posturing. Do you posture? Will your
peppers burn the face off of any other pepper producer? One bite and you
own them?
You see? It's not about killing animals or sports or racecars or poppys
or petunias or killing peppers...... It's about survival skills. And a
whole bunch of psudo speak.
I hunt..you gather..lets fight about it. And lettuce not leave out the
sub text to the sub text..... Lets use the other great motivator.....
that wonderfull parallel universe of body chemistry basic feel good
stuff....... sex.
Or- Beter yet- let's confuse the two and rilly mind fuck ourselves up!!
And all the while.... the incessant nattering about who's god is the
best god is just another form of competition to determine who's village
is the best village and therefor justified in wiping out the other
village in order to posess the land and the rivers....and for what?
Food.
Shelter. Survival.
The thing to remember in alla this is that there is no One True Right
Way for everyone to do anything. Nor is it reasonable to demand that a
hunter minded woman be a gatherer minded woman..when she's not. And vice
versa.
Role playing is stoopid. Insistence on role playing is insanity.
Cats and dogs ain't in it.
Have a nice day.
Dictionary
A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and
making it hard and inelastic. This dictionary, however, is a most useful
work.
Ambrose Bierce
Vill...@webtv.net
A soft indestructible automaton provided by Nature to be kicked when
things go wrong in the domestic circle.
From the devils dictionary by Ambrose Bierse.
Guy Barry
"Penelope" <pperi...@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
I don't, and I don't know of any men who do.
Guy
Cheezits
> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
Is it really so many?
I hate to admit it, but when I was a kid there was a brief period where
some of us used to pick on the kittens that belonged to a neighbor we
didn't like too much. I remember picking one up by the tail, which caused
it some distress. I don't even know why I did it. Later I felt kind of
bad about it and started being nice to them. But at least I had the
excuse of being a kid (about 8 or 9 years old, I think). Adults ought to
know better.
Sue
--
"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
Penelope
>From: "Guy Barry" <guy....@blueyonder.co.uk>
>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:08:50 -0500
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Sorry Guy, didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.
Penelope
--
Dead fish go with the flow
Penelope
<Cheez...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Penelope <pperi...@att.net> wrote:
>> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
>> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
>[etc.]
>
>Is it really so many?
Hang out with rednecks and other bits of the grunt and ball
scratching crowd.
>I hate to admit it, but when I was a kid there was a brief period where
>some of us used to pick on the kittens that belonged to a neighbor we
>didn't like too much. I remember picking one up by the tail, which caused
>it some distress. I don't even know why I did it. Later I felt kind of
>bad about it and started being nice to them. But at least I had the
>excuse of being a kid (about 8 or 9 years old, I think). Adults ought to
>know better.
Exactly, but they seem to think it makes them more manly to
talk about maiming cats.
songbird
>Penelope wrote:
...
> >Hang out with rednecks and other bits of the grunt and ball
> >scratching crowd.
>
>
> And just to add a little TMI, sticking to one's clothing sucks
> boulders through a straw. (most recent outbreak is on left elbow
> and the backs of both hands, and the plaque p. on my left side
> finally went away in December, 8-1/2 years after making its first
> appearance)
i've known a number of people in passing with psoriasis and
i've never really talked to them about it much because, well, i'm
a guy...
but i was wondering and knowing that you're likely to have done
some reading on the topic and all that, well what can you do that
makes it easier on yourself?
it's an autoimmune disease from what i can tell and i do
know that some people use various hormone creams and
salves to make it bearable, but in the end, it's a tough road.
in passing, a while ago, i was reading something about
people having their immune systems reset by killing off
certain immune system cells and was wondering if anyone
had attempted something like this for psoraisis?
another friend's daughter has Crohns disease which has
spread throughout her entire bowel and she take a lot of
steroids. i just can't imagine what kind of life that must be
like because she's been in the hospital several times for
attacks. and that all comes with the greater risk of colon
cancer and liver troubles.
i still think that eating stuff which helps regulate the
immune system (like yogurts and natural things with
a lot of varied bacteria) and keeps it moving is a good
approach to any autoimmune disorder, but in the end
that may not do enough.
well anyways, i hope warmer weather and more
humidity helps, but i dunno, what does actually help...
songbird
Penelope
<nims...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 17 Feb 2009 23:26:34 -0500, Penelope <pperi...@att.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Well, but that was why I posted this here. Even here in the waning
>>days, the average sniggler would think it pretty childish to even
>>consider verbally trashing an animal for status points. And would very
>>quickly be trashed themselves if they did.
>
>What about flying (pigeons) and tree (squirrels) rats?
Or possums?
Guy Barry
"Penelope" <pperi...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Why?
> >From: "Guy Barry" <guy....@blueyonder.co.uk>
> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:08:50 -0500
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>
> >[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]
>
>
> Sorry Guy, didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.
Don't worry, everyone else does.
Guy
Penelope
<guy....@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Don't worry, everyone else does.
Well, and it's moot. I have left the man cave. They were
having a *cough* discussion about everyone should have to
[sic] revile their gender and age that degenerated into
demands for pictures of the 5 or so women who post there
openly. This would not be the first time they've done this,
but when I pointed out in no uncertain terms how
inappropriate it was, they had a tantrum. Apparently I am
insensitive to their need to be insensitive. Besides, they
were only joking around.
So, anyway, despite the superior pepper geeking and the few
really nice folks, I'm done.
Piglet
>Well, and it's moot. I have left the man cave. They were
>having a *cough* discussion about everyone should have to
>[sic] revile their gender and age that degenerated into
>demands for pictures of the 5 or so women who post there
>openly. This would not be the first time they've done this,
>but when I pointed out in no uncertain terms how
>inappropriate it was, they had a tantrum. Apparently I am
>insensitive to their need to be insensitive. Besides, they
>were only joking around.
Most of the time I've forgotten why I embraced 'Piglet' so thoroughly,
back in the day. And then I am reminded. Ew.
It wasn't just the come-ons, although they were legion. It was the
condescension. The patronization. The "I'll humor the cute little
things you say 'cause maybe someday I can get into your pants" that
drove me spare.
Like what Adam Arkin's character said on Life earlier this week, "I'm
not that charming." (He learned that in prison; I in school.)
--
Piglet, pig...@piglet.org
"That may be YOUR point. MY point is to live each moment so as
to maximize the amount of complaining that can be done about said
moment, after the fact. It's not as easy as it looks." --jankplus
The Chief Instigator
> Penelope <pperi...@att.net> wrote:
>> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
>> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
> [etc.]
>
> Is it really so many?
>
> some of us used to pick on the kittens that belonged to a neighbor we
> didn't like too much. I remember picking one up by the tail, which caused
> it some distress. I don't even know why I did it. Later I felt kind of
> bad about it and started being nice to them. But at least I had the
> excuse of being a kid (about 8 or 9 years old, I think). Adults ought to
> know better.
>
I know the feeling...until I met Dale (and won her over), I'd never had much
to do with cats, but her pair (a male Black Bombay and a slightly younger
tuxedo) taught me. They've been gone for six years, but they lived into
their teens, and a few of our neighbors have a few felines that recognize us
as worthy of their occasional attention, even if some of them are more
anxious to take advantage of the birds who are ready to get on with building
their nests in this early summer.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Lake Erie 3, Houston 0 (April 4)
NEXT GAME: Friday, April 10 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
Steve Daniels
compelled The Chief Instigator <pat...@io.com>, to say:
> On 2009-02-21, Cheezits <Cheez...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Penelope <pperi...@att.net> wrote:
> >> Why do so many men think it's ok to talk about killing or torturing
> >> cats? Scratch that, why do they get off on it?
> > [etc.]
> >
> > Is it really so many?
> >
> > I hate to admit it, but when I was a kid there was a brief period where
> > some of us used to pick on the kittens that belonged to a neighbor we
> > didn't like too much. I remember picking one up by the tail, which caused
> > it some distress. I don't even know why I did it. Later I felt kind of
> > bad about it and started being nice to them. But at least I had the
> > excuse of being a kid (about 8 or 9 years old, I think). Adults ought to
> > know better.
> >
> > Sue
>
> I know the feeling...until I met Dale (and won her over), I'd never had much
> to do with cats, but her pair (a male Black Bombay and a slightly younger
> tuxedo) taught me. They've been gone for six years, but they lived into
> their teens, and a few of our neighbors have a few felines that recognize us
> as worthy of their occasional attention, even if some of them are more
> anxious to take advantage of the birds who are ready to get on with building
> their nests in this early summer.
I once put pepper spray on another mans' penis.
He didn't like it.
Penelope
<sdan...@gorge.net> wrote:
>I once put pepper spray on another mans' penis.
>
>
>
>
>He didn't like it.
I'm sure there's a Hunan Hand joke with homosexual overtones
in there somewhere, but it escapes me this morning.
Penelope
<pat...@io.com> wrote:
>I know the feeling...until I met Dale (and won her over), I'd never had much
>to do with cats, but her pair (a male Black Bombay and a slightly younger
>tuxedo) taught me. They've been gone for six years, but they lived into
>their teens, and a few of our neighbors have a few felines that recognize us
>as worthy of their occasional attention, even if some of them are more
>anxious to take advantage of the birds who are ready to get on with building
>their nests in this early summer.
Yes, but before you discovered the joy that is feline
regard, would you have stood around talking about killing
cats and dead cats to someone who clearly loved them? Would
you have posted a picture of a cat that had been hit by a
car in a thread where someone else was talking about their
pet? Would you have taken a picture someone else posted and
superimposed a target on the cat's head? Would you have done
it for status? Would you have then claimed it was all in
jest and any distressed cat lovers should lighten up?
Cause, that's the behavior I was discussing.
The Chief Instigator
> On 7 Apr 2009 00:35:40 -0400, The Chief Instigator
><pat...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>I know the feeling...until I met Dale (and won her over), I'd never had much
>>to do with cats, but her pair (a male Black Bombay and a slightly younger
>>tuxedo) taught me. They've been gone for six years, but they lived into
>>their teens, and a few of our neighbors have a few felines that recognize us
>>as worthy of their occasional attention, even if some of them are more
>>anxious to take advantage of the birds who are ready to get on with building
>>their nests in this early summer.
>
> Yes, but before you discovered the joy that is feline regard, would you
> have stood around talking about killing cats and dead cats to someone who
> clearly loved them? Would you have posted a picture of a cat that had
> been hit by a car in a thread where someone else was talking about their
> pet? Would you have taken a picture someone else posted and superimposed
> a target on the cat's head? Would you have done it for status? Would you
> have then claimed it was all in jest and any distressed cat lovers should
> lighten up?
>
> Cause, that's the behavior I was discussing.
>
> Penelope
That's the behavior I refused to be a part of. I was used to having dogs
around, and didn't have much to do with cats. I never was one for abusing
either species, and when Dale landed into my life, her two cats could tell I
wasn't all that familiar with them, so her black Bombay decided to crawl up
and take a nap on me. That was the beginning of thirteen years of being the
hired staff. ;-)
miguel
wrote:
>On 7 Apr 2009 00:35:40 -0400, against all advice, something
Guess he wasn't much of a man.