Can't sleep, must post.
Homer Simpson
predicament I find myself in precipitating the fact that I cannot sleep.
About three and a half years ago I moved back home to Indiana to see
after me mum. At the time I was living in metroland elsewhere and
making a living selling my artwork in galleries and such.
My mother is in her 60's and has been smoking since she was a teenager.
We lost my Dad about 9 years ago. She is on steroids and inhalers,
anti-biotics galore, etc. She'll be on oxygen soon although she is
loathe to admit it.
Part of me feels obliged to take care of her, but mostly I just want to
spend time with her. I mean, isn't that what life is for? i.e. being
with the people that you love.???
The problem is that I HATE, HATE, HATE Indiana. I mean I really hate
it. It is full of really stupid, narrow-minded people who seem content
to drive their SUV's off of cliffs while talking on cell phones and
gargling ground beef.
They value art or creativity not at all. There is one organic grocery.
The coffeehouses are empty. And at the moment, the economy is so
lousy that no one is buying art of any kind.
On top of that I suffer from seasonal depression, so I feel like being
here is a form of slow suicide. After 3 plus years I am starting to
believe all this hoosier negativity that is surrounding me. Even though
I have proof of life and culture elsewhere my mind feels fogged and I
cannot reach anything that makes me feel whole, or useful. On some days
I feel hard pressed to put together small talk for these neanderthals.
With every passing day my cynicism grows and my hope trickles away.
I get out the paintbrush and just stare at the canvas wishing that I
could paint a new place to live, and just walk right into it.
I can't stay, but I can't leave, and thus I am awake when I should be
sleeping. As usual.
Apologies as this is extremely off-topic, but I need some group thinking
as I couldn't think my way out wet paper bag right now.
Sincerely,
-Homer
Paul Wallich
> In article <RiP%d.1622$S46...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> Homer Simpson <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>They value art or creativity not at all. There is one organic grocery.
>> The coffeehouses are empty. And at the moment, the economy is so
>>lousy that no one is buying art of any kind.
>
>
> how you find them. The great thing about smaller states is that, once you
> tap into the cool people, you tap in to all the cool people across
> disciplines. In larger cities, the musicians don't know the artists don't
> know the political revolutionaries don't know the original thinkers.
>
> Where in Indiana?
I have cousins in Indiana who are pretty cool people in a quiet way, but
they say kinda similar things. As soon as their house sells, they're out...
paul can't sleep either
prairierabbit
news:11114847...@irys.nyx.net...
> In article <RiP%d.1622$S46...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> Homer Simpson <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> The coffeehouses are empty. And at the moment, the economy is so
>>lousy that no one is buying art of any kind.
What about using an out-of-state gallery, say in Illinois or Ohio or
Kentucky? It would mean driving occasionally, but I know people here who
also have work shown on the west or east coast in galleries, so I know it
can be done. Or perhaps arts/crafts shows in the warmer months? Around
here, we have a fairly lively arts scene but I know artists who use both
galleries and summer shows to market their art. Some are definitely
artists--there are a number of shows I can think of that are juried and the
quality of the work is overall very high.
> There have to be some cool people in Indiana. Just have to. I wonder
> how you find them.
Contra dances worked for me in Illinois when I was feeling very blah and in
dire need of connecting to new people. It did require me to drive about an
hour each way a couple of times a month, or more, but I found it to
definitely be worthwhile. I found a community that I find very comfortable
and supportive, and even made connections with people who live in my local
area and also drove to the dances. Hmm...
http://www.contradancelinks.com/greatlakes.html and then scroll down to
Indiana for the dances there. I know lots of people here who travel to
Swing into Spring and Sugar Hill and the Gypsy Moon Ball. I would recommend
a regular dance to get your feet wet before a weekend event. Please don't
think you have to be gifted to contra either--it's helpful if you can count
to music, but the rest you can learn. If I (the other right hand <grin>)
can, anyone can! There is a walk through before each dance, and the callers
are almost uniformly great at working with new dancers to make sure they
understand the figures.
>The great thing about smaller states is that, once you
> tap into the cool people, you tap in to all the cool people across
> disciplines. In larger cities, the musicians don't know the artists don't
> know the political revolutionaries don't know the original thinkers.
And a whole lot of them dance! I get lots of support for my craftwork from
musicians and others I've met at dances, as well as friends here and away.
I'm corrupting some of the youth into knitting, as well.
> Where in Indiana?
Yes, it depends on that a lot. Any colleges or universities near you?
Often they have speakers and plays and musical events that are free or
cheap, and often many or most of the attendees are not students.
JLC, I wonder what they are doing rather than attend Ibsen on a Friday
night...
Buzzard
Allison Turner-
>
>In article <RiP%d.1622$S46...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
>Homer Simpson <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> The coffeehouses are empty. And at the moment, the economy is so
>>lousy that no one is buying art of any kind.
>
Oooooh yes.
<*ahem*>
>Just have to.
Lara is still there, isn't she?
TES is, but hides out in the backwoods and caves -
I insist on tracking him down whenever I'm there,
but to everyone else except for a fairly small
community, he's probably invisible.
Two of my favorite people in the world (aside from
the cool snigglers) also live near B'ton. They
were in VT when I was young, but moved back (B'ton
is her home) many years ago.
>I wonder
>how you find them. The great thing about smaller states is that, once you
>tap into the cool people, you tap in to all the cool people across
>disciplines. In larger cities, the musicians don't know the artists don't
>know the political revolutionaries don't know the original thinkers.
Bloomington has, from what I gather, a pretty good
art / music / etc. culture. If that's where you are,
Homer, let me know and I'll see if I can find out
what the good hangouts are, and what the cool people
are doing if they're not at the coffeehouses.
>Where in Indiana?
There's always the wide flat wasteland of the north,
punctuated for interest by the smokestacks and road
construction of Gary. All I've ever done there is
drive through.
-Allison
But even Bloomington and an exceptionally enticing
SO didn't manage to draw me away from VT for longer
than brief visits.
Penelope Periwinkle
<myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>The problem is that I HATE, HATE, HATE Indiana. I mean I really hate
>it. It is full of really stupid, narrow-minded people who seem content
> to drive their SUV's off of cliffs while talking on cell phones and
>gargling ground beef.
>
>They value art or creativity not at all. There is one organic grocery.
> The coffeehouses are empty. And at the moment, the economy is so
>lousy that no one is buying art of any kind.
I understand. In 1983, I moved to North Carolina for a job, and spent
three miserable years there before I escaped. It was a very cliquish
town, the only place I've ever lived where I had difficulty making
friends. I felt like you did, that I was surrounded by ignorant,
small-minded troglodytes whose greatest ambition was to own a double
wide trailer. These were the people who re-elected Jesse Helms year
after year.
The only thing that saved my sanity was that the local PBS station
ran episodes of Monty Python's Flying Circus and Dr. Who every
night and on Saturday afternoons. I use to tell myself they were proof
that somewhere out there was wit, wisdom, and lots of bad puns.
So, I don't have any sort of faux-Pollyanna advice to offer, just
wanted you to know that I've been where you are now, and it
really does suck, and that you have my greatest sympathy and
understanding.
<hugs offered>
Penelope
Annette M. Stroud
Homer Simpson <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The coffeehouses are empty. And at the moment, the economy is so
>lousy that no one is buying art of any kind.
There have to be some cool people in Indiana. Just have to. I wonder
how you find them. The great thing about smaller states is that, once you
tap into the cool people, you tap in to all the cool people across
disciplines. In larger cities, the musicians don't know the artists don't
know the political revolutionaries don't know the original thinkers.
Where in Indiana?
Annette
Sara Running
says...
>
<snip>
>
>Oh yes, ...what I am thinking about this internet thing is that perhaps
>I would be able to forgo schmoozing with people face to face. That
>would be stellar!
>
>Really, I just want to paint the things. I am not a sales professional
>by any means. My dream is to meet a beautiful woman who will whisk
>these things away before I have a chance to paint over them and somehow
>~*(add sparkles here)*~ magically return with money to pay the bills.
>
I'm glad you are feeling better. But what you wrote here kind of stuck with me.
I was helping with an art-related event (Artists' open studio) and was working
with a woman that is a sculptor's business manager. I think, in some respects,
art schools do a disservice to students when they stress it's 'for the art' and
not to make a living. If I like art, I'm willing to pay for it. The downside
is that I'm not in a position to pay $10K-20K (or more) for that art. I have to
work within a budget. I think the problem is trying to connect with those who
like your art and are willing to pay for it.
I think the internet is a great tool for providing wide exposure, but it's only
one tool.
Where did you sell your art before you moved to IN? Why can't you still
leverage that relationship? Is it that your art has changed since you moved?
Why can't that be a normal progression of your growth as an artist? When I've
viewed retrospectives of artists, I've always seen changes--some are more subtle
than others.
Just some thoughts, now I need to get to bed...
sara
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Sara Running
Not speaking for my employer
History doesn't necessarily repeat, but it does rhyme
Homer Simpson
comments are all around.
I live in Fort Wayne. Also known as...
Fort Rain
Fort Plain
Fort Fun
Fart Pain
Fart Stain
It is the second largest city in Indiana, which means that no one has
ever heard of it.
Actually, Men's Health magazine voted it the stupidest city in America.
That got a lot of press time for some reason. Actually, after this
article came out, I saw on the news someone defending Ft.Wayne. It was
the fellow I started a philosophy club with in college. Small world.
Well, small city.
Aside from that, in the winter I tend to isolate myself socially. I do
have friends here. And in Bloomington. In the winter I shove them
away, but general the ones that come back are keepers.
Speaking of BFE, North Carolina Penelope wrote...
> The only thing that saved my sanity was that the local PBS station
> ran episodes of Monty Python's Flying Circus and Dr. Who every
> night and on Saturday afternoons. I use to tell myself they were proof
> that somewhere out there was wit, wisdom, and lots of bad puns.
They cancelled Dr. Who on our PBS. *sob* Who needs special effects when
you have ...a script? And, thank you Penelope. Hugs appreciated.
Paul or possibly Annette (?) wrote...
>>>The great thing about smaller states is that, once you
>>>tap into the cool people, you tap in to all the cool people across
>>>disciplines. In larger cities, the musicians don't know the artists >>don't
>>>know the political revolutionaries don't know the original thinkers.
When I went to Purdue *MANY years ago* I found that to be true there.
Which was cool given the overall conservative environment of
W.Lafayette. We formed instantaneous bonds because even though we were
all different sorts of outcasts, we were the ONLY outcasts in a rather
large student body. I still speak to some of them from time to time.
Here, every time I go out I hope not to run into certain people. People
from work, ex-girlfriends, old landlords, stalkers, etc. I have my
moods, and apparently some of my moods have done well at feeding the
rumor mill.
On the bright side, I got a digital camera 4 months ago. (!!!) Now I
have been thinking of just selling art via the internet. I started
doing research to this end and the first thing I learned was that the
internet is very different from the straight up HTML one I learned in
school.
Also, that means when I run out of canvases and paint over stuff at
least I have a record of what I painted over. 3.2 Megapixels seems okay
for that. Actually, I take this camera with me everywhere, and it is my
artistic salvation at times. Snap, delete, snap, save, snap. Better
than a sketchbook.
Oh yes, ...what I am thinking about this internet thing is that perhaps
I would be able to forgo schmoozing with people face to face. That
would be stellar!
Really, I just want to paint the things. I am not a sales professional
by any means. My dream is to meet a beautiful woman who will whisk
these things away before I have a chance to paint over them and somehow
~*(add sparkles here)*~ magically return with money to pay the bills.
Allison Turner- wrote:
> -Allison
> But even Bloomington and an exceptionally enticing
> SO didn't manage to draw me away from VT for longer
> than brief visits.
Yes, Vermont is awesome! I went there to see the Dead in '94 and '95.
I travelled around New England a lot in the '90s. I spent my summers in
Philly, and my weekends in the car! Trails, mountains, scenery, old
architectural sites, odd history, little used book stores, junque
shoppes, the guy with the Teepee...
I also really like Colorado Springs, and the coast of Oregon, for places
of sheer beauty and coolness.
Buzzard wrote,
> is there any way she could stand to live in metroland?
Good question. She's a bit (extreme understatement) of a pack rat. I
can't imagine moving her. Despite her health problems she stays very
active. She has knitter's guild, the West Central Historic Neighborhood
association, We The Living, and whatever other meetings she can manage.
Plus, she gardens for the whole block! She's happy here. Here is
very her.
prairierabbit (who may or may not actually be a rabbit) wrote,
> Contra dances worked for me in Illinois when I was feeling very blah and in
> dire need of connecting to new people. It did require me to drive about an
> hour each way a couple of times a month, or more, but I found it to
> definitely be worthwhile. I found a community that I find very comfortable
> and supportive, and even made connections with people who live in my local
> area and also drove to the dances. Hmm...
That's a curious one, that. It's always easy to find a ride to
something fun. I found a ride to Pittsburgh this (long) weekend, and I
already have a ride to Hookahville lined up for this spring. This
brings to my mind something else I had forgotten. I've always wanted to
take dance lessons, ever since I was a kid. I think I shall look into
that now that it is at the forefront of my thought, and I am otherwise
disengaged.
> JLC, I wonder what they are doing rather than attend Ibsen on a Friday
> night...
Maybe they taped the awesome BBC production of The Master Builder and
are at home watching it for the 25th time. Um... one would hope.
*sigh* I apologize for the long post, but there was a lot of good input
to address.
Having thought through it some I am feeling much better. I will
promptly move on to other thoughts to keep me awake at night.
Laughing and Crying,
-H.
Homer Simpson
Hey sara,
Picasso once said that the artist of the 20th century would have to be
play every role for the sake of his art. He would have to be painter
,and businessman, and schmoozer (I am paraphrasing) etc.
I am horrible with figures. It's really a brain thing I think.
Sometimes when I have to divide one number by another, even if I have a
calculator handy I still have to pause and decide which number is larger
than the other. While I was taking honors history and honors literature
in high school I was taking intro to algebra for the 3rd time! Oddly I
love to read about math theory, and I have no trouble with dewey decimal
numbers, but I can't do simple maths.
I used to sell in Pittsburgh. They have quite a few good galleries.
It's really a young and active city.
When I was there I was on a county medication program. When I moved
back here, in order to stay on my medication I had to get a full time
job. (Gasp!)
The same sort of paintings I would sell there for say $800, I would be
lucky to get $300 for here.
I should mention that Picasso never had a day job.
When I think of all the time I spent doing art it was like working 80
hours a week!
I don't know that I could not re-kindle those relationships, or similar
ones, but to do so would certainly be a full time job. Which, I suppose
is the ultimate goal, again.
Most of the shows I did were like guerilla affairs. I would do a few
dozen canvases, sell them all at any price, and move on. I never
thought of keeping records, or making contacts, or building a mailing
list, or promoting myself outside the gallery.
My style is always changing, so I don't think much of that. I always
come back to landscapes, cityscapes, cloudscapes. I want my artwork to
be a restful place for the eye in a busy, busy world. Like an oasis
where the person viewing the piece, for that moment, feels as though no
demands are placed upon him or her.
Portraits, even if you are careful at every step, always challenge the
veiwer with a pair of eyes. You trigger the fight or flight reflex,
which is not necessarily restful, but is useful in say... advertising.
Monet for the 21st century, which I guess is adequately covered by
Debekorn, which I am probably missssssspelling. But, affordable.
Still, a really huge emphasis on colour.
Whether or not I sell them I'll still paint them, but it would be nice
if someone took them away before I painted over them 12 times!
Yes, the internet is only one tool, but for a person with spurious
social skills such as mine, it is a nice, safe, not-so-personal tool.
Maybe it will be all I need, who knows? I am not aiming to amass a
fortune or get really famous, or be in the spotlight, just MAYBE make a
living and enough to travel every once in a while.
Most artists in the annals of ART HISTORY did have some sort of business
sense. Geez, none of the Rennaisance artists did anything that wasn't
paid for in advance!!! That is something that art schools SHOULD try to
teach. I have tried to teach myself aspects of business, but it's all
gobbledegook to me. Perhaps if the gobbledegook were color coded it
would be a different story, but I doubt that I would ever be able to
really impart any meaning on it despite Picasso's wise words.
Ooops. It is late. I too, off to bed go.
Thank you for your thoughts, :)
-H.
Sara Running
says...
>
<snip>
>Most artists in the annals of ART HISTORY did have some sort of business
>sense. Geez, none of the Rennaisance artists did anything that wasn't
>paid for in advance!!! That is something that art schools SHOULD try to
>teach. I have tried to teach myself aspects of business, but it's all
>gobbledegook to me. Perhaps if the gobbledegook were color coded it
>would be a different story, but I doubt that I would ever be able to
>really impart any meaning on it despite Picasso's wise words.
>
I almost mentioned Picasso since I had the opportunity to visit his museum in
Barcelona. What was interesting to see his development as an artist as he did
the still life, the impressionist, landscape. His response is that *anyone* can
do these and he went in a completely different direction.
But from a historical perspective, art (and I'm using this term *very* broadly)
was sponsored by the church and/or secular leaders (the rich folks like the
Medicis.) I think that patron-type support of the arts still exists, but I
think it's harder to find those patrons.
Sara, made up for not taking Art History through a tour of Tuscany ;D
prairierabbit
news:_g60e.2188$S46...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Umm... Leet's see... I'll tack this onto Allison's thread tho' good
> comments are all around.
> have been thinking of just selling art via the internet. I started doing
> research to this end and the first thing I learned was that the internet
> is very different from the straight up HTML one I learned in school.
>
> Also, that means when I run out of canvases and paint over stuff at least
> I have a record of what I painted over. 3.2 Megapixels seems okay for
> that. Actually, I take this camera with me everywhere, and it is my
> artistic salvation at times. Snap, delete, snap, save, snap. Better than
> a sketchbook.
Cool! What kind did you get? I want one, want one, WANT ONE, but it's not
in the budget at the moment. I'm hoping to save up for one by the end of
the summer.
> Oh yes, ...what I am thinking about this internet thing is that perhaps I
> would be able to forgo schmoozing with people face to face. That would be
> stellar!
>
> Really, I just want to paint the things. I am not a sales professional by
> any means. My dream is to meet a beautiful woman who will whisk these
> things away before I have a chance to paint over them and somehow ~*(add
> sparkles here)*~ magically return with money to pay the bills.
It's a nice dream! But while you are still wishing on that star, there are
people, not always beautiful and not always women, called agents who do just
that. They keep part of the money, but handle all the rest for you.
> prairierabbit (who may or may not actually be a rabbit) wrote,
One never knows, does one? <grin>
>> Contra dances worked for me in Illinois when I was feeling very blah and
>> in dire need of connecting to new people. It did require me to drive
>> about an hour each way a couple of times a month, or more, but I found it
>> to definitely be worthwhile. I found a community that I find very
>> comfortable and supportive, and even made connections with people who
>> live in my local area and also drove to the dances. Hmm...
>
> That's a curious one, that. It's always easy to find a ride to something
> fun. I found a ride to Pittsburgh this (long) weekend, and I already have
> a ride to Hookahville lined up for this spring.
Good for you! Sometimes one Needs To Get OUT of Town. Not that I'm ready
for a vacation, or anything... <thumps paw impatiently>
> This brings to my mind something else I had forgotten. I've always wanted
> to take dance lessons, ever since I was a kid. I think I shall look into
> that now that it is at the forefront of my thought, and I am otherwise
> disengaged.
It's great fun and good exercise. One of my friends was suprised to have
sore arms after a first contra dance.
I forgot to mention film groups, if you like films. Maybe at IIT (it is
there, isn't it?), or IUPUFW. Cool movies, cool people, usually cheap. Not
required to schmooze, but over time one gets to know the crowd.
> > JLC, I wonder what they are doing rather than attend Ibsen on a Friday
>> night...
>
> Maybe they taped the awesome BBC production of The Master Builder and are
> at home watching it for the 25th time. Um... one would hope.
<cackle> <raises rabbit eyebrow> Not been around college students much
lately, eh? But one can always hope...
JLC, doubts it, however...
prairierabbit
news:d1sap...@drn.newsguy.com...
> Sara, made up for not taking Art History through a tour of Tuscany ;D
*whimper* Tell us all about it, 'kay?
JLC, the green-tinged prairierabbit...
dreas
[Indiana deleted]
[Mother's health deleted]
> On top of that I suffer from seasonal depression, so I feel like being
> here is a form of slow suicide.
Get yourself some full-spectrum lights! I have suffered from extreme
suicidal SAD for five months out of several years. I use full-spectrum
lights for half an hour a day in the Winter months, and *POOF!* the
depression, and brooding thoughts are totally gone...
> After 3 plus years I am starting to
> believe all this hoosier negativity that is surrounding me.
The hoosier thing only looks negative because of your perspective
from the confines of depression, in my opinion. You can have the
most positive people around you when you're down, and they will
all seem negative...
> Even though
> I have proof of life and culture elsewhere my mind feels fogged and I
> cannot reach anything that makes me feel whole, or useful. On some days
> I feel hard pressed to put together small talk for these neanderthals.
Read the Neanderthal Parallax trilogy by Robert J. Sawyer. It's science
fiction that puts a few new spins on Neanderthals...
> With every passing day my cynicism grows and my hope trickles away.
That's depression talking again, Feh!
> I get out the paintbrush and just stare at the canvas wishing that I
> could paint a new place to live, and just walk right into it.
You must learn to make the best of where you are. Alternatively you
will find ways to be unhappy wherever you are. Get some full-spectrum
lights and get back to me...
Other really great advice from snigglers duly noted already.
-'dreas
dreas
"Penelope Periwinkle" <pperi...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:dip0415ndqahf2nd2...@4ax.com...
> >it. It is full of really stupid, narrow-minded people who seem content
> > to drive their SUV's off of cliffs while talking on cell phones and
> >gargling ground beef.
> >
> >They value art or creativity not at all. There is one organic grocery.
> > The coffeehouses are empty. And at the moment, the economy is so
> >lousy that no one is buying art of any kind.
>
> three miserable years there before I escaped. It was a very cliquish
> town, the only place I've ever lived where I had difficulty making
> friends. I felt like you did, that I was surrounded by ignorant,
> small-minded troglodytes whose greatest ambition was to own a double
> wide trailer. These were the people who re-elected Jesse Helms year
> after year.
Y'know? It has taken me some thirteen years to finally feel at home here
in Vicky. At long last I'm a part of the community, I have friends, and I
still think this is a stupid place but I'm more used to it now and I'm
making
the best of my predicament. In retrospect, staying in Montreal would have
been about the same. The only differences are that the food is better there,
housing is cheaper, and the people are generally less close-minded, but
we have been changing that since so many people are moving here from
places elsewhere. When it comes to finding good people, they kinda self-
select. Most of my friends are not from here either. It's too bad that I'll
have to move far away should I ever want to afford a place of my own
instead of renting, but I have no dependents so does owning a home
really matter at all?
> The only thing that saved my sanity was that the local PBS station
> ran episodes of Monty Python's Flying Circus and Dr. Who every
> night and on Saturday afternoons. I use to tell myself they were proof
> that somewhere out there was wit, wisdom, and lots of bad puns.
I found Monty to be fun the first time. Subsequent viewing leaves me
cold. I guess I'm not a fan exactly, and I don't see what all the fuss is
about. I also find Tolkien overrated, but I guess that's just my problem...
-'dreas
songbird
it's good that you're home and taking care of someone you
love. i am not quite that stage yet where i have to be a
care-taker, but i do know the joys of being back home with
someone who's always been there for me.
as for the rest of it, i find that misery is often self-
perpetuated well beyond the scope and relevance. get out,
get some sunshine, there's a lot of nice woodsy and rocky
places in IN that are well worth going and admiring.
if you can't find anything admirable in the people you
are around then it's time to look at other things. perhaps
in time you'll find a better space to be in where you can
return to looking at people and be able to leave your
preconceptions behind.
songbird *peep*
Penelope Periwinkle
>"Penelope Periwinkle" <pperi...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > The only thing that saved my sanity was that the local PBS station
>> ran episodes of Monty Python's Flying Circus and Dr. Who every
>> night and on Saturday afternoons. I use to tell myself they were proof
>> that somewhere out there was wit, wisdom, and lots of bad puns.
>
>I found Monty to be fun the first time. Subsequent viewing leaves me
>cold. I guess I'm not a fan exactly, and I don't see what all the fuss is
>about. I also find Tolkien overrated, but I guess that's just my problem...
I always knew there was something terribly wrong with you.
Penelope, besides the redolent farts.
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn" <eli...@everybodycansing.com>
Sara Running
Golly, it was seven (?) years ago. It was a cool trip, sponsored by the
Smithsonian and the National Trust. My cousin was the tour operator (but no
deals on the cost.) They hired an Art Historian for evening lectures. The
downside was that most of the tour participants were not terribly interested in
food & wine. More recently it was a trip to Barcelona (that was only 1.5 years
ago) and I was introduced to the wonder that is Gaudi, but also visited the
Picasso museum.
Sara
prairierabbit
> In article <3adpsdF...@individual.net>, prairierabbit says...
>>
>>"Sara Running" <srun...@whitties.org> wrote in message
>>news:d1sap...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>>> Sara, made up for not taking Art History through a tour of Tuscany ;D
>>
>>*whimper* Tell us all about it, 'kay?
>>
>>JLC, the green-tinged prairierabbit...
>
> Golly, it was seven (?) years ago. It was a cool trip, sponsored by the
> Smithsonian and the National Trust. My cousin was the tour operator (but
> no
> deals on the cost.) They hired an Art Historian for evening lectures.
> The
> downside was that most of the tour participants were not terribly
> interested in
> food & wine.
I've always wanted to visit Italy, and it intenified when I took a year of
art history in college. For me the food and wine would be lovely, but the
history and art and scenery would be even better. One of these years I'm
going to go, but I want to be able to spend at least three weeks there, to
get a real feel for the places I see.
JLC
Sara Running
Well, since food is wrapped up in there history and the scenery (sunflowers,
olive trees and grape vines) I think it's a good match.
I liked this tour because we primarily stayed in Tuscany (although one day trip
was to Assisi/Deruda). I was there for two weeks total, but the fact that we
never travelled on the bus for more than two hours at a time (we stayed in a
14th century village for about a week, and then stayed in a hotel in Florence)
made for a sense of place. Lots of folks I know take tours where they start in
Rome, then hit Florence, Venice, Naples, etc. which I don't find appealing. You
spend too much time packing/unpacking.
prairierabbit
> In article <3b2t9pF...@individual.net>, prairierabbit says...
>>
>>"Sara Running" <srun...@whitties.org> wrote in message
>>news:d2f79...@drn.newsguy.com...
[Italy]
>>> Golly, it was seven (?) years ago. It was a cool trip, sponsored by the
>>> Smithsonian and the National Trust. My cousin was the tour operator
>>> (but
>>> no
>>> deals on the cost.) They hired an Art Historian for evening lectures.
>>> The
>>> downside was that most of the tour participants were not terribly
>>> interested in
>>> food & wine.
>>
>>I've always wanted to visit Italy, and it intenified when I took a year of
>>art history in college. For me the food and wine would be lovely, but the
>>history and art and scenery would be even better. One of these years I'm
>>going to go, but I want to be able to spend at least three weeks there, to
>>get a real feel for the places I see.
>
> Well, since food is wrapped up in there history and the scenery
> (sunflowers,
> olive trees and grape vines) I think it's a good match.
It definitely works for me. Fresh fish and seafood, vegetables,
fruit...mmmm...
> I liked this tour because we primarily stayed in Tuscany (although one day
> trip
> was to Assisi/Deruda). I was there for two weeks total, but the fact that
> we
> never travelled on the bus for more than two hours at a time (we stayed in
> a
> 14th century village for about a week, and then stayed in a hotel in
> Florence)
> made for a sense of place.
Exactly! That's how I like to travel--stay in one or two places, make day
trips to surrounding places of interest. It seems more like travel and less
like tourism, if that rather arbitrary distinction makes any sense. Of
course, I'd rather recreate some version of "Enchanted April" but the times,
they have changed.
> Lots of folks I know take tours where they start in
> Rome, then hit Florence, Venice, Naples, etc. which I don't find
> appealing. You
> spend too much time packing/unpacking.
And there are no opportunities to wander back to places you liked the first
time for a second look. Also, if you are staying in one hotel, it's easier
to split up with travel companions for a day so everyone can do their own
thing a bit, but still meet up for dinner and hanging out.
JLC, who can spend way more time in museums than some people can tolerate...
Homer Simpson
prairierabbit wrote:
> "Homer Simpson" <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:_g60e.2188$S46...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>>Umm... Leet's see... I'll tack this onto Allison's thread tho' good
>>comments are all around.
>
> > On the bright side, I got a digital camera 4 months ago. (!!!) Now I
> Cool! What kind did you get? I want one, want one, WANT ONE, but it's not
> in the budget at the moment. I'm hoping to save up for one by the end of
> the summer.
I got a Canon 3.2 Megapixel Powershot A400. I like all the Canons I
have used. This one is small enough to fit in my coat pocket, but it
doesn't cheese out on functionality. I wish the wide angle on the zoom
was a bit wider, but I cannot complain. I didn't know when I bought
mine, but it comes in multiple metallic colors. The metallic blue would
have been more to my liking. I find myself messing with the exposure
settings quite a bit to get the image I want, but I would do that with a
manual camera too. Yesterday I took some shots of farmhouses
silhouhetted against the sunset that would be worth bucks if they were
on film proper, but make great screen savers in current state.
>>Oh yes, ...what I am thinking about this internet thing is that perhaps I
>>would be able to forgo schmoozing with people face to face. That would be
>>stellar!
>>
>>Really, I just want to paint the things. I am not a sales professional by
>>any means. My dream is to meet a beautiful woman who will whisk these
>>things away before I have a chance to paint over them and somehow ~*(add
>>sparkles here)*~ magically return with money to pay the bills.
>
>
> It's a nice dream! But while you are still wishing on that star, there are
> people, not always beautiful and not always women, called agents who do just
> that. They keep part of the money, but handle all the rest for you.
I have seen the Matrix, and I don't really think I trust "agents." I
see your point, however. (Aside: "Run, Neo!")
I guess you are right. It's just a dream. ALTAIAGFFA (a long time ago
in a galaxy far, far away) I was married to another artist. We fed off
each other's creative energy, and fed the dog, but sometimes didn't have
enough $$$ to feed ourselves. Now I imagine a similar situation with
someone who has business type creativity.
I am not holding my breath.
>>prairierabbit (who may or may not actually be a rabbit) wrote,
> One never knows, does one? <grin>
Are you year of the rabbit. I am a wood rabbit. I like my little
rabbit hole.
> Good for you! Sometimes one Needs To Get OUT of Town. Not that I'm ready
> for a vacation, or anything... <thumps paw impatiently>
Aaaahhh... the vacation was very nice, but too short. Mostly I went to
see my friend who is a retired art professor. I have not seen him since
he got out of the hospital and he has lost a lot of weight, but seems in
good spirits.
> It's great fun and good exercise. One of my friends was suprised to have
> sore arms after a first contra dance.
Is contra dance modern dance? Yes?
> I forgot to mention film groups, if you like films. Maybe at IIT (it is
> there, isn't it?), or IUPUFW. Cool movies, cool people, usually cheap. Not
> required to schmooze, but over time one gets to know the crowd.
I started a film studies group in college, and I used to voluteer at the
cinema center, which is the original location of the now dual-location
one-woman organization. Actually, I can see it from my apartment.
Catherine (bless her heart) used to do much more adventurous
productions, with raffles, and discussion groups and the like. She has
gone somewhat more mainstream these days.
>>> JLC, I wonder what they are doing rather than attend Ibsen on a Friday
>>>night...
>>
>>Maybe they taped the awesome BBC production of The Master Builder and are
>>at home watching it for the 25th time. Um... one would hope.
> <cackle> <raises rabbit eyebrow> Not been around college students much
> lately, eh? But one can always hope...
I work with a lot of college students, but I'm always surprised at what
they don't know. Maybe I just had a really good education... Maybe
it's reality TV brain drain... I mean who doesn't like to read Locke?
Really.
okay,
Moving on to other threads... TTFN!
Homer Simpson
songbird wrote:
> Homer,
>
> it's good that you're home and taking care of someone you
> love. i am not quite that stage yet where i have to be a
> care-taker, but i do know the joys of being back home with
> someone who's always been there for me.
That last bit doesn't really describe me mum, but I give her the benefit
of the doubt. (heh) Heck, in my book ALL mothers deserve a helluvalotta
respect. I wonder why none appear on U.S. Currency and such.
> as for the rest of it, i find that misery is often self-
> perpetuated well beyond the scope and relevance. get out,
> get some sunshine, there's a lot of nice woodsy and rocky
> places in IN that are well worth going and admiring.
I know. I go in and out. Sometime I feel very negative and very
positive about the exact same things in the same day, even the same
hour. In the sense of the ages these brainfarts are meaningless, but
they are the brainfarts that do the thinking and are thus ...hard to
ignore.
Yesterday I went out and took pictures of farmhouses silhouetted against
the sunset, and that was quite nice. The weather has been splendid as well.
> if you can't find anything admirable in the people you
> are around then it's time to look at other things. perhaps
> in time you'll find a better space to be in where you can
> return to looking at people and be able to leave your
> preconceptions behind.
Perhaps it is a matter of risk. I am less willing to take chance on
people and situations these days. In the olden days I used to live by
the fortuitous credo; rolling and tumbing into many an inspirational
happenstance. Now... not so much. My trust of humanity is at an all
time low. This does not exactly foster the development of new
relationships.
...Hence, Homer the Hermit Heh Heh Heh...
Appreciate positive thoughts to add to the mix :)
> songbird *peep*
-Homer *CAW!*
Penelope Periwinkle
<myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I got a Canon 3.2 Megapixel Powershot A400.
I <heart> my Canon Powershot A400.
I had to use the Minolta we have at work yesterday, and it was
just too much trouble to set all the functions, and annoying to
click endlessly through menus to do something as simple as delete
a picture.
I asked why that particular camera was purchased, and was told
about all the Wonderful! Features! and Kewl! Things! it could do.
So I asked for instructions on how to use those Wonderful!
Features! and Kewl! Things!, and no one knows how to use them. I
believe I'm the first person to pull the manual out of the box.
Penelope, and then there is the peeve over the rechargeable
batteries...
Steve Daniels
compelled Penelope Periwinkle <pperi...@mindspring.com>, to
say:
>On 2 Apr 2005 01:21:14 -0500, Homer Simpson
><myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>I got a Canon 3.2 Megapixel Powershot A400.
>
>I <heart> my Canon Powershot A400.
I certainly enjoyed my last Powershot, but I didn't think to
serialize them.
Penelope Periwinkle
wrote:
Not anal about your Powershots, eh?
Penelope
Homer Simpson
> On 2 Apr 2005 01:21:14 -0500, Homer Simpson
> <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I got a Canon 3.2 Megapixel Powershot A400.
> I <heart> my Canon Powershot A400.
I love Canons. About 5 years ago I had a (film) Rebel 2000, and about 2
years ago I had a PowerShot A85. Both of which were stolen, so I guess
other people like Canons too! I just like the interface. Eventually
I'd like to get a digital Rebel, maybe after I get a dog!
> I asked why that particular camera was purchased, and was told
> about all the Wonderful! Features! and Kewl! Things! it could do.
> So I asked for instructions on how to use those Wonderful!
> Features! and Kewl! Things!, and no one knows how to use them. I
> believe I'm the first person to pull the manual out of the box.
Sounds like the people in your purchasing department would get along
fine with the folks in our purchasing department.
> Penelope, and then there is the peeve over the rechargeable
> batteries...
I <heart> rechargeable bateries.
-HOmer
Steve Daniels
>On 2 Apr 2005 11:44:41 -0500, Steve Daniels <sdan...@gorge.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On 2 Apr 2005 11:27:03 -0500, against all advice, something
>>compelled Penelope Periwinkle <pperi...@mindspring.com>, to
>>say:
>>
>>>On 2 Apr 2005 01:21:14 -0500, Homer Simpson
>>><myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I got a Canon 3.2 Megapixel Powershot A400.
>>>
>>>I <heart> my Canon Powershot A400.
>>
>>I certainly enjoyed my last Powershot, but I didn't think to
>>serialize them.
>
>
>Not anal about your Powershots, eh?
I can be, but there's so much sweet talk* involved.
Axel "So that's why the only thing that moves on him is his
mouth, I was starting to wonder." Hammond
*AKA begging.
Steven desJardins
> That last bit doesn't really describe me mum, but I give her the benefit
> of the doubt. (heh) Heck, in my book ALL mothers deserve a helluvalotta
> respect. I wonder why none appear on U.S. Currency and such.
Sacagawea and her son appear on the dollar coin.
dreas
"Steven desJardins" <ste...@desjardins.org> wrote in message
news:1gugltl.g1anr61nvq6isN%ste...@desjardins.org...
You guys have a dollar coin in circulation finally, or is this
one of those fancy commemorative things?
Ours has waterfowl on one side and the reigning monarch
of a foreign country on the other...
-'dreas
Allison Turner-
>
>
>"Steven desJardins" <ste...@desjardins.org> wrote in message
>news:1gugltl.g1anr61nvq6isN%ste...@desjardins.org...
>> Homer Simpson <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > That last bit doesn't really describe me mum, but I give her the benefit
>> > of the doubt. (heh) Heck, in my book ALL mothers deserve a helluvalotta
>> > respect. I wonder why none appear on U.S. Currency and such.
>>
>> Sacagawea and her son appear on the dollar coin.
>
>You guys have a dollar coin in circulation finally, or is this
>one of those fancy commemorative things?
The Sacagawea coin has been in circulation for some
years, now. Not that I see it often, but I did get
a kick out of buying postage stamps at machines in
the USPS Distribution Center in Chicago and getting
back all change in dollar coins. Sacagawea, plus
Susan B. Anthony and even occasionally an old one -
was that Kennedy? So we've had more than one dollar
coin. We don't seem to use them much, though.
>Ours has waterfowl on one side and the reigning monarch
>of a foreign country on the other...
I like some of the new quarters, with attractive stuff
on the back. Massachusetts' tree is still the nicest
one, I think. I wish Vermont had gone for our cat
(state mammal: mountabank) but I suppose sugaring is
a much more common and popular thing.
Aren't there supposed to be two new nickles out? I
have one of them, somewhere. Don't see many of those,
neither.
-Allison
gawd I hate hotflashes. The touchpad goes all wonky.
prairierabbit
> First a chance to post in a few days...
>
> prairierabbit wrote:
>> "Homer Simpson" <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:_g60e.2188$S46...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>>>Umm... Leet's see... I'll tack this onto Allison's thread tho' good
>>>comments are all around.
>>
>> > On the bright side, I got a digital camera 4 months ago. (!!!) Now I
>
>> Cool! What kind did you get? I want one, want one, WANT ONE, but it's
>> not in the budget at the moment. I'm hoping to save up for one by the
>> end of the summer.
>
> I got a Canon 3.2 Megapixel Powershot A400. I like all the Canons I have
> used. This one is small enough to fit in my coat pocket, but it doesn't
> cheese out on functionality. I wish the wide angle on the zoom was a bit
> wider, but I cannot complain. I didn't know when I bought mine, but it
> comes in multiple metallic colors. The metallic blue would have been more
> to my liking. I find myself messing with the exposure settings quite a
> bit to get the image I want, but I would do that with a manual camera too.
> Yesterday I took some shots of farmhouses silhouhetted against the sunset
> that would be worth bucks if they were on film proper, but make great
> screen savers in current state.
I have some cool pictures of architectural details I've taken fairly
recently, but I'm still in film mode--I have an OLD Ricoh which is starting
to not work so well.
>>>Oh yes, ...what I am thinking about this internet thing is that perhaps I
>>>would be able to forgo schmoozing with people face to face. That would
>>>be stellar!
>>>
>>>Really, I just want to paint the things. I am not a sales professional
>>>by any means. My dream is to meet a beautiful woman who will whisk these
>>>things away before I have a chance to paint over them and somehow ~*(add
>>>sparkles here)*~ magically return with money to pay the bills.
>>
>> It's a nice dream! But while you are still wishing on that star, there
>> are people, not always beautiful and not always women, called agents who
>> do just >> that. They keep part of the money, but handle all the rest
>> for you.
>
> I have seen the Matrix, and I don't really think I trust "agents." I see
> your point, however. (Aside: "Run, Neo!")
<grin>
> I guess you are right. It's just a dream. ALTAIAGFFA (a long time ago in
> a galaxy far, far away) I was married to another artist. We fed off each
> other's creative energy, and fed the dog, but sometimes didn't have enough
> $$$ to feed ourselves. Now I imagine a similar situation with someone who
> has business type creativity.
>
> I am not holding my breath.
I've found that wise in my own life. In the past, I hesitated to buy a
house because I'm not someone who knows how to do lots of home repair
things. I finally reached a point of "want my own space" no return, though,
and jumped in. While I'm still nervous, I've found that one can pay people
to do some things, other things can wait, and friends will supply knowledge
and assistance with other projects. In retrospect I should have done it ten
years ago when my dad could have helped some--he knows how to do lots of
things but isn't physically up to most of them anymore.
>>>prairierabbit (who may or may not actually be a rabbit) wrote,
>> One never knows, does one? <grin>
>
> Are you year of the rabbit. I am a wood rabbit. I like my little rabbit
> hole.
I am not year of the rabbit. I'm an earthy pig.
>> Good for you! Sometimes one Needs To Get OUT of Town. Not that I'm
>> ready for a vacation, or anything... <thumps paw impatiently>
>
> Aaaahhh... the vacation was very nice, but too short. Mostly I went to
> see my friend who is a retired art professor. I have not seen him since
> he got out of the hospital and he has lost a lot of weight, but seems in
> good spirits.
Sounds nice.
>> It's great fun and good exercise. One of my friends was suprised to have
>> sore arms after a first contra dance.
>
> Is contra dance modern dance? Yes?
No. Actually, it's "old" dance, based on English Country Dancing--think
Virginia Reel and you'll be close. Traditionally, English Country Dance is
done with the men in one line and the women in another (aka "proper") while
most contra dances are <gasp!> improper in that you are across from your
partner but each line is boy/girl/boy/girl (aka "contra"). Also, contras
move a lot more quickly and have lots of swings, usually. Excellent fun and
good exercise!
>> I forgot to mention film groups, if you like films. Maybe at IIT (it is
>> there, isn't it?), or IUPUFW. Cool movies, cool people, usually cheap.
>> Not required to schmooze, but over time one gets to know the crowd.
>
> I started a film studies group in college, and I used to voluteer at the
> cinema center, which is the original location of the now dual-location
> one-woman organization. Actually, I can see it from my apartment.
> Catherine (bless her heart) used to do much more adventurous productions,
> with raffles, and discussion groups and the like. She has gone somewhat
> more mainstream these days.
>
>>>> JLC, I wonder what they are doing rather than attend Ibsen on a Friday
>>>>night...
>>>
>>>Maybe they taped the awesome BBC production of The Master Builder and are
>>>at home watching it for the 25th time. Um... one would hope.
>
>> <cackle> <raises rabbit eyebrow> Not been around college students much
>> lately, eh? But one can always hope...
>
> I work with a lot of college students, but I'm always surprised at what
> they don't know. Maybe I just had a really good education... Maybe it's
> reality TV brain drain... I mean who doesn't like to read Locke? Really.
He has such a way with capitals, along with everything else.
JLC
Homer Simpson
I actually thought about that after I posted the comment. Kinda makes
you wonder about the $20 bill. Maybe they use different history books
to decide these things.
I suppose Susan B. Anthony was probably a mother too.
Those things are pointless anyway. I mean, they'd be fairly useful if
they were accepted by parking meters and vending machines, but trying
one of those maneuvers would only result in a loss of money, and
probably a jammed machine to boot.
Good point, though.
-Homer
Fat Naked Dangerous
>Those things are pointless anyway. I mean, they'd be fairly useful if
>they were accepted by parking meters and vending machines, but trying
>one of those maneuvers would only result in a loss of money, and
>probably a jammed machine to boot.
But they do work in vending machines! Parking meters---I don't wanna
see a meter that takes dollar coins. Parking is bad enough at
15min. for a quarter. Don't go giving 'em any ideas.
--
Piglet
Dr. Brat
> But they do work in vending machines! Parking meters---I don't wanna
> see a meter that takes dollar coins. Parking is bad enough at
> 15min. for a quarter. Don't go giving 'em any ideas.
A quarter buys you an hour here. 12 minutes for a nickel.
Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
for.ar...@sympatico.ca
wrote:
Up here in Tiddlywink-by-the-Lake, the parking meter is giving way to
printed ticket dispensers (one per six to eight streetside parallel
parking space). They take loonies, toonies, bank cards and credit
cards even. You punch in and pay for your desired time, and you place
the ticket on your dash. There are still some older style meters left
in the back corners of the city - but not many. These take less work
to maintain and unload.
The loonie and toonie are everywhere. I can carry $20.00 of coin
without trying hard. Yes, the populace bitched. Then we got used to
it. Now we don't think about it, except to wonder idly when the
southern neighbours are going to join us in this fit of sensibility.
Coin is more difficult to counterfeit than bills, and they last
longer.
Counting and rolling coin from the building laundry machines takes
much less time than when we had quarters. (just past cost recovery
too)
TB
Rose Skubiszewski
>Fat Naked Dangerous wrote:
>
>> But they do work in vending machines! Parking meters---I don't wanna
>> see a meter that takes dollar coins. Parking is bad enough at
>> 15min. for a quarter. Don't go giving 'em any ideas.
>
>A quarter buys you an hour here. 12 minutes for a nickel.
In downtown Maynard, 10 cents for an hour but the meters only allow
2 hours max.
Northside of Chicago, we grabbed a spot in front of the sushi
place where we met Bev. It was a quarter for an hour and free
after 6:00 p.m.
I wouldn't mind if they adjusted the parking lot coin deposits or
parking meters at the train stations to accept dollar coins. The
Acton T stop only accepts 8 quarters for a days parking. That's
a lot of change to be lugging around. The Arlington Heights
Metra stop also demands quarters. They even posted a sign on
the coin box because some folks are folding dollar bills into
tiny squares and shoving them through the coin slot.
Rose
John Fereira
news:h58551to7llkf0ads...@4ax.com:
> On 5 Apr 2005 06:58:50 -0400, pig...@panix.com (Fat Naked Dangerous)
> wrote:
>
>>Homer Simpson <myster...@earthlink.net>, in article
>><M0o4e.4063$44....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, dixit:
>>>Those things are pointless anyway. I mean, they'd be fairly useful if
>>>they were accepted by parking meters and vending machines, but trying
>>>one of those maneuvers would only result in a loss of money, and
>>>probably a jammed machine to boot.
>>
>>But they do work in vending machines! Parking meters---I don't wanna
>>see a meter that takes dollar coins. Parking is bad enough at 15min.
>>for a quarter. Don't go giving 'em any ideas.
>
> Up here in Tiddlywink-by-the-Lake, the parking meter is giving way to
> printed ticket dispensers (one per six to eight streetside parallel
> parking space). They take loonies, toonies, bank cards and credit
> cards even. You punch in and pay for your desired time, and you place
> the ticket on your dash. There are still some older style meters left
> in the back corners of the city - but not many. These take less work
> to maintain and unload.
>
> The loonie and toonie are everywhere. I can carry $20.00 of coin
> without trying hard. Yes, the populace bitched. Then we got used to
> it. Now we don't think about it, except to wonder idly when the
> southern neighbours are going to join us in this fit of sensibility.
They've had printed ticked dispensers for parking at Cornell for at least 10
years, however since the pay lots fill up fast and the other parking options
are pretty expensive a very large percentage of the faculty and staff use
the public transit system to get to work, include those that live in
outlying towns 30 miles away.
Erich
Allison Turner- <beto...@sover.net> wrote:
> on 4 Apr 2005 08:32:28 -0400, dreas stated:
> >
> >
> >"Steven desJardins" <ste...@desjardins.org> wrote in message
> >news:1gugltl.g1anr61nvq6isN%ste...@desjardins.org...
> >> Homer Simpson <myster...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > That last bit doesn't really describe me mum, but I give her the benefit
> >> > of the doubt. (heh) Heck, in my book ALL mothers deserve a helluvalotta
> >> > respect. I wonder why none appear on U.S. Currency and such.
> >>
> >> Sacagawea and her son appear on the dollar coin.
> >
> >You guys have a dollar coin in circulation finally, or is this
> >one of those fancy commemorative things?
>
> The Sacagawea coin has been in circulation for some
> years, now. Not that I see it often, but I did get
> a kick out of buying postage stamps at machines in
> the USPS Distribution Center in Chicago and getting
> back all change in dollar coins. Sacagawea, plus
> Susan B. Anthony and even occasionally an old one -
> was that Kennedy? So we've had more than one dollar
> coin. We don't seem to use them much, though.
The Kennedy coin is a half dollar. I spend them on occasion just to
confuse young clerks.
Two dollar bills are also fun to spend, if you don't get arrested:
<http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.olesker08mar08,1,76004.col
umn?coll=bal-local-columnists&ctrack=1&cset=true>
> >Ours has waterfowl on one side and the reigning monarch
> >of a foreign country on the other...
That sounds just loony.
> I like some of the new quarters, with attractive stuff
> on the back. Massachusetts' tree is still the nicest
> one, I think. I wish Vermont had gone for our cat
> (state mammal: mountabank) but I suppose sugaring is
> a much more common and popular thing.
The Massachusetts quarter has an outline of the state and a minuteman.
You are probably thinking of the Charter Oak on the Connecticut quarter.
I have never heard of a montabank. Is this a real critter, or are you
pulling our leg?
My preference for the Colorado quarter design is the columbine, our
state flower. But with two massacres named after this flower, I suspect
they will pick something else.
> Aren't there supposed to be two new nickles out? I
> have one of them, somewhere. Don't see many of those,
> neither.
Two new nickels last year and two this year. All of them commemorating
the Lewis and Clark expedition. I haven't seen any of this years
nickels yet, but with a mint in the area they should show up soon.
... Erich
Allison Turner-
>
>In article <d2rdm...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> Allison Turner- <beto...@sover.net> wrote:
>
>> on 4 Apr 2005 08:32:28 -0400, dreas stated:
>> >
[coins spent]
>Two dollar bills are also fun to spend, if you don't get arrested:
>
><http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.olesker08mar08,1,76004.col
>umn?coll=bal-local-columnists&ctrack=1&cset=true>
I was going to say "tinyurl.com is your friend," but
actually, that site requires registration, which I'm
not gonna bother with. Someone got arrested for
spending legal tender?
Personally, I'd rather keep 'em; I'm a packrat that
way. I think I have two or three.
(There was once a $3 bill, printed right down the hill
from me. I've seen 'em for sale on ebay - $80+.)
>> I like some of the new quarters, with attractive stuff
>> on the back. Massachusetts' tree is still the nicest
>> one, I think. I wish Vermont had gone for our cat
>> (state mammal: mountabank) but I suppose sugaring is
>> a much more common and popular thing.
>
>The Massachusetts quarter has an outline of the state and a minuteman.
>You are probably thinking of the Charter Oak on the Connecticut quarter.
Uh, yeah. Connecticut. One of those nearby states, ya
know.
>I have never heard of a montabank. Is this a real critter, or are you
>pulling our leg?
Er, I think I meant catamount. (Mountain Lion.)
Grad school rots the brain. I am living proof.
>> Aren't there supposed to be two new nickles out? I
>> have one of them, somewhere. Don't see many of those,
>> neither.
>
>Two new nickels last year and two this year. All of them commemorating
>the Lewis and Clark expedition. I haven't seen any of this years
>nickels yet, but with a mint in the area they should show up soon.
Damn. I gotta get consumering; I've only seen the one.
-Allison
11:30 pm. Do I go home and get some sleep, or stay
up all night trying to finish a middling draft of the
dissertation?
Erich
Allison Turner- <beto...@sover.net> wrote:
> on 7 Apr 2005 21:36:45 -0400, Erich stated:
> >
> >In article <d2rdm...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> > Allison Turner- <beto...@sover.net> wrote:
> >
> >> on 4 Apr 2005 08:32:28 -0400, dreas stated:
> >> >
>
> [coins spent]
>
> >Two dollar bills are also fun to spend, if you don't get arrested:
> >
> ><http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.olesker08mar08,1,76004.col
> >umn?coll=bal-local-columnists&ctrack=1&cset=true>
>
> I was going to say "tinyurl.com is your friend," but
> actually, that site requires registration, which I'm
> not gonna bother with. Someone got arrested for
> spending legal tender?
Yup, quoting from the URL:
"I'm just here to pay the bill," Bolesta says he told a cashier. "She
looked at the $2 bills and told me, 'I don't have to take these if I
don't want to.' I said, 'If you don't, I'm leaving. I've tried to pay my
bill twice. You don't want these bills, you can sue me.' So she took the
money. Like she's doing me a favor."
He remembers the cashier marking each bill with a pen. Then other store
personnel began to gather, a few of them asking, "Are these real?"
"Of course they are," Bolesta said. "They're legal tender."
A Best Buy manager refused comment last week. But, according to a
Baltimore County police arrest report, suspicions were roused when an
employee noticed some smearing of ink. So the cops were called in. One
officer noticed the bills ran in sequential order.
"I told them, 'I'm a tour operator. I've got thousands of these bills.
I get them from my bank. You got a problem, call the bank,'" Bolesta
says. "I'm sitting there in a chair. The store's full of people watching
this. All of a sudden, he's standing me up and handcuffing me behind my
back, telling me, 'We have to do this until we get it straightened out.'
> Personally, I'd rather keep 'em; I'm a packrat that
> way. I think I have two or three.
I get them from my bank, just like the guy in the article.
> (There was once a $3 bill, printed right down the hill
> from me. I've seen 'em for sale on ebay - $80+.)
Yup, at one time most of the paper money in circulation was printed by
banks. It made life a bit complicated, as a merchant in Chicago might
only give you 75 cents for a dollar printed by a Vermont bank.
> >> I like some of the new quarters, with attractive stuff
> >> on the back. Massachusetts' tree is still the nicest
> >> one, I think. I wish Vermont had gone for our cat
> >> (state mammal: mountabank) but I suppose sugaring is
> >> a much more common and popular thing.
> >
> >The Massachusetts quarter has an outline of the state and a minuteman.
> >You are probably thinking of the Charter Oak on the Connecticut quarter.
>
> Uh, yeah. Connecticut. One of those nearby states, ya
> know.
Been there, got the t-shirt.
> >I have never heard of a montabank. Is this a real critter, or are you
> >pulling our leg?
>
> Er, I think I meant catamount. (Mountain Lion.)
That's a critter I recognize.
> Grad school rots the brain. I am living proof.
Actually grad school pushes trivia into the far corners of your brain.
> >> Aren't there supposed to be two new nickles out? I
> >> have one of them, somewhere. Don't see many of those,
> >> neither.
> >
> >Two new nickels last year and two this year. All of them commemorating
> >the Lewis and Clark expedition. I haven't seen any of this years
> >nickels yet, but with a mint in the area they should show up soon.
>
> Damn. I gotta get consumering; I've only seen the one.
I suspect it will take a while for them to filter into your neck of the
woods.
... Erich
Paul Ciszek
I hope this goes through...
In article <h58551to7llkf0ads...@4ax.com>,
<for.ar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>The loonie and toonie are everywhere. I can carry $20.00 of coin
>without trying hard. Yes, the populace bitched. Then we got used to
>it. Now we don't think about it, except to wonder idly when the
>southern neighbours are going to join us in this fit of sensibility.
>Coin is more difficult to counterfeit than bills, and they last
>longer.
Americans will NEVER join you in that fit of sensibility. We are
stupid. Not just ignorant, though we are that as well, but actively,
deliberately *stupid*. We value stupidity, prefer blind faith over
the opinions of those who actually know something about a subject,
figure if science contradicts the Word of God then we don't need
science. The majority of our adult population doesn't know how
long it takes the Earth to go around the Sun, thinks the Earth is
less than 10,000 years old, and has scarcely heard of the metric
system. The majority of our ivy-league college graduates cannot
tell you why it is warmer in summer than in winter.
I love the Toonie, BTW. Is it true that if you chill one in Liquid
Nitrogen, that the two pieces can be separated without damaging them?
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Allison Turner-
>
>
>I hope this goes through...
Ayep.
You new? If so, welcome to ssm.
(Another Panix person. Cool. Panix seems to have some
of the best;)
>In article <h58551to7llkf0ads...@4ax.com>,
> <for.ar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>The loonie and toonie are everywhere. I can carry $20.00 of coin
>>without trying hard. Yes, the populace bitched. Then we got used to
>>it. Now we don't think about it, except to wonder idly when the
>>southern neighbours are going to join us in this fit of sensibility.
>>Coin is more difficult to counterfeit than bills, and they last
>>longer.
>
>Americans will NEVER join you in that fit of sensibility. We are
>stupid.
(Uh oh. Anyone wanna get out the waaay-broad-generalization
-alert clue-by-four?)
>Not just ignorant, though we are that as well, but actively,
>deliberately *stupid*. We value stupidity, prefer blind faith over
>the opinions of those who actually know something about a subject,
>figure if science contradicts the Word of God then we don't need
>science. The majority of our adult population doesn't know how
>long it takes the Earth to go around the Sun, thinks the Earth is
>less than 10,000 years old, and has scarcely heard of the metric
>system.
Not that I don't appreciate a good rant. Especially one
that seems to have some basis in fact. Annoying, innit?
And I *teach*. Fortunately for my sanity, I don't seem
to be teaching any of your above category of 'merkins.
>The majority of our ivy-league college graduates cannot
>tell you why it is warmer in summer than in winter.
Is that so? Cite?
(I'd love to see a citation not because I doubt you [though
you coulda just thrown that out there for effect, without
actual factual data to back it up], but because I think the
fact is fascinating. In the same way that a train wreck is
fascinating.)
>I love the Toonie, BTW. Is it true that if you chill one in Liquid
>Nitrogen, that the two pieces can be separated without damaging them?
Toonies have two different parts?
I gotta get out more.
But not today. Today I'm staying inside, writing and
re-writing and re-re-re-re-rewriting 75 pages of text,
to be emailed to my advisors tomorrow morning. Wish
me oodles of luck; it's very far from done and I'm
gonna need all the miracles I can get.
And it's a gorgeous sunny day, too :(
I do grant myself breaks every few hours to walk,
barefoot, down the hill from the science building to
the dining hall to get myself another cup of tea :)
-Allison
Time for another of those.
Selki
> >I love the Toonie, BTW. Is it true that if you chill one in Liquid
> >Nitrogen, that the two pieces can be separated without damaging them?
> Toonies have two different parts?
I think so. One part goldish (brassy?) and one part nickelish?
> I gotta get out more.
In contrast to last weekend, when I got home from work around midnight on
the Friday and didn't venture out until Monday am (other than sticking my
arm out the front door to fish out the mail), I went contra dancing
Friday night and Sunday night, and ate lunch out Saturday -- I was
disappointed to find out that my favorite Thai restaurant no longer
serves a wonderful soup I haven't found anywhere else. In between, I
listened to music and did my taxes.
> But not today. Today I'm staying inside, writing and
> re-writing and re-re-re-re-rewriting 75 pages of text,
> to be emailed to my advisors tomorrow morning. Wish
> me oodles of luck; it's very far from done and I'm
> gonna need all the miracles I can get.
Good luck!
> And it's a gorgeous sunny day, too :(
My cherry tree (out back) is in full bloom! It's been a beautiful weekend
here too.
> I do grant myself breaks every few hours to walk,
> barefoot, down the hill from the science building to
> the dining hall to get myself another cup of tea :)
Good plan.
Enjoy,
Selki
dreas
"Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:d3c310$f5k$1...@reader1.panix.com...
>
> I hope this goes through...
Works here...
> I love the Toonie, BTW. Is it true that if you chill one in Liquid
> Nitrogen, that the two pieces can be separated without damaging them?
The freezer in your refrigerator should be cold enough. Kids were doing
this as soon as the first ones were minted. The novelty was over about a
week later...
-'dreas
Mike Given
>I hope this goes through...
>>The loonie and toonie are everywhere. I can carry $20.00 of
>>coin without trying hard. Yes, the populace bitched. Then we
>>got used to it. Now we don't think about it, except to wonder
>>idly when the southern neighbours are going to join us in
>>this fit of sensibility.
Presumably that's in reference to the YooEss and not Mexico, and
"bah" says me. The Good Old American Greenback is irreplacable.
>>Coin is more difficult to counterfeit than bills, and they
>>last longer.
May be, but coins lack a certain comfort and convenience.
Frex, dollar coins are useless at s strip club. In Canader (or at
least the last time I was there 4 years ago..) and in Mexico (..9
years ago) ya hadda buy bar-printed scrip to tip strippers with, which
no sensible person would do. Me, I just used my USBuckaroos. Just as
good in Canader and Mexico as they are in the US - better in fact,
'cuz they've pretty much always been worth more than their
counterparts of neighbors to the north and south.
>Americans will NEVER join you in that fit of sensibility.
For all values of "sensibility" being somewhat relative.
Me, I'd much prefer to eliminate the penny and re-introduce the
half-buck coin (..but not with Kennedy's mug. Let's get Nixon on a
coin. Or Harry Truman, maybe).
>We are stupid.
Ah.
>Not just ignorant, though we are that as well, but actively,
>deliberately *stupid*.
Been watching a little too much MTV?
>We value stupidity,
Ashton Kutcher has to make a living *somehow*.
>prefer blind faith over the opinions of those who actually
>know something about a subject,
I'm not so sure that mere opinions rate all that much higher than
faith. Cold, hard facts are usually more influential.
>figure if science contradicts the Word of God then we
>don't need science.
I just wish that those wishing to live by the Word of God would
actually do so, but most are flaming hypocrites without any redeeming
scruples. Everyone wave at Tom DeLay.
>The majority of our adult population doesn't know how
>long it takes the Earth to go around the Sun, thinks the
>Earth is less than 10,000 years old,
The net result of conservative political influence demanding equal
time for religion and liberal political influence decrying testing and
strict standards as unfair to minorities and retards.
>and has scarcely heard of the metric system.
That's that thar newfangled Yuropeen birth-control thang, aint it?
>The majority of our ivy-league college graduates cannot
>tell you why it is warmer in summer than in winter.
That's a good thing, because it isn't actually warmer in summer than
in winter. Unless you're hemispherically predjudiced, that is.
>I love the Toonie, BTW.
Pah.
>Is it true that if you chill one in Liquid Nitrogen, that
>the two pieces can be separated without damaging them?
Nice to know Canadian money is useful for *something* interesting,
anyway.
Mikey (..still have half-a-bagful of useless Canadian coin.)
Penelope Periwinkle
<cut to the chase>
>In contrast to last weekend, when I got home from work around midnight on
>the Friday and didn't venture out until Monday am
Darn near the perfect weekend, too.
Other than getting home earlier on Friday and doing lots of
venturing out into the yard, I wouldn't change a thing.
songbird
>TB wrote:
> >The loonie and toonie are everywhere. I can carry $20.00 of coin
> >without trying hard. Yes, the populace bitched. Then we got used to
> >it. Now we don't think about it, except to wonder idly when the
> >southern neighbours are going to join us in this fit of sensibility.
> >Coin is more difficult to counterfeit than bills, and they last
> >longer.
>
> Americans will NEVER join you in that fit of sensibility. We are
> stupid. Not just ignorant, though we are that as well, but actively,
> deliberately *stupid*. We value stupidity, prefer blind faith over
> the opinions of those who actually know something about a subject,
...
speak for yourself, please.
songbird *peep*
Paul Ciszek
In article <8odl519j92tq6jul0...@4ax.com>,
Mike Given <asp...@gipco.org> wrote:
>Paul Ciszek wrote:
>
>>The majority of our ivy-league college graduates cannot
>>tell you why it is warmer in summer than in winter.
>
> That's a good thing, because it isn't actually warmer in summer than
>in winter. Unless you're hemispherically predjudiced, that is.
Sure it is. Ask an Australian if it is warmer in summer than in
winter and they'll say yes. Of course, their summer is at a
different time that the northern hemisphere summer--something
else that I doubt most American college graduates could explain
to save their lives.
Paul Ciszek
In article <d3c4g...@drn.newsguy.com>,
Allison Turner- <beto...@sover.net> wrote:
>
>>The majority of our ivy-league college graduates cannot
>>tell you why it is warmer in summer than in winter.
>
>Is that so? Cite?
An article that I read in the days before the Web, alas.
I have seen nothing to convince me that the quality of
science education has improved since.
Paul Ciszek
In article <diorite-2ABF7E...@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
Diorite <dio...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I love the Toonie, BTW. Is it true that if you chill one in Liquid
>> Nitrogen, that the two pieces can be separated without damaging them?
>
Not if you can put it back together via the same method. ;-)
But blowing $2.00 (Canadian or US) on a cool science demo is not
beyond reason.