Appealing types
Robert E. O'Connor
And the subject of body alteration -- as in breast implants, body
piercing, penile elongation -- has come up. Not long ago I pointed
out that all men are not turned on by large breasts and some of the
men chimed in to support that point.
It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
Personally, I'm not dead set against these operations and I don't
think it's necessarily foolish if a man likes women to have enormous
breasts or a woman to want a man with a tree-trunk penis. Whatever
does it for you is your business and good luck with it. It's just
that the people who think there's some absolute standard that they've
missed should know they can still be found attractive. In fact, it
could be that making radical cosmetic changes might turn off the very
person you'd be the most happy with.
Robert E. O'Connor
New York, NY
Robin Lee Powell
>Often here, we read about various types that turn people on or off.
>And the subject of body alteration -- as in breast implants, body
>piercing, penile elongation -- has come up. Not long ago I pointed
>out that all men are not turned on by large breasts and some of the
>men chimed in to support that point.
>
>It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
>group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
>they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
I'll stick just to women, for personal reason, but I _am_ bi so I'm
leaving a fair bit out.
I'll also go purely for physical attractiveness, because it'd get too
complicated otherwise.
Likes:
1. Red hair.
2. Voluptuous.
3. Pretty, easy smile.
4. Sexy/slutty clothes.
5. Large nipples.
6. Unshaven arms, legs, armpits.
7. Either petit _or_ really tall.
These vary slightly for women who aren't white: I find tall black women
and petit oriental women more attractive, frex. As for weight, I find a
range where the woman has some definate fat but not enough to interfere
with sex best (I'm a teensy bit small), but that's not usually a primary
concern.
Dislikes
1. Smokes.
2. Perfume.
3. Lots of makeup.
One of the most attractive women I've ever seen is at
http://www.internext.com.au/row/990905.jpg, to give you an example
(warning, she's naked).
However, all this stuff (except the dislikes) usually takes a back seat
to how well I get along with the person.
-Robin
--
http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ || BTW, I'm male. Honest.
Flesh-queen, love-star, lust-pale Trandilar. ... Only-free and sent-far,
trickiest is Thandbar. -- A skip-rope chant from "Necromancer Nine" by
Sherri Tepper.
Christian Campbell
like her. It could be her expressions... her personality... her body
shape. But, it takes all kinds. I find Asian women attractive, but I also
like preppy blonde women. I also like mysterious brunettes. Among my
recent girlfriends was a 5'3", thin body-builder with breast implants - with
a very cute face. She was a major turnon. But, then again, another recent
girlfriend was 5'8", 165 lbs - slightly overweight - with bad-girl looks and
a big gap between her front teeth. But, there was something about her.
Anyway, I'll give it a try:
hair: long/blond/wavy or long/dark/straight
eyes: big and brown or deep and green
ethnicity: European, Latina, Asian or mixed
looks (category): cute (not necessarily beautiful or sexy)
body: thin but with nice shaped rear-end - I prefer nice curves/proportions
breasts: size is not a factor (firm with good nipple-erection)
clothing: dresses like a woman - wears feminine stuff - not afraid to wear
dresses
perfume: good in small amounts
personality: feminine, flirty, happy - good with children
sexually: comfortable with sexuality, masturbates, accepts oral sex, open to
talking about it
dislikes:
too much makeup - insists on spending an hour on makeup prior to leaving the
house
mustaches or any other hair in inappropriate places - it's called plucking -
even I do it!
nasty clothing - sweats and t-shirts all the time
flirts with other men when with me - also, checks out other men in front of
me
complaining, bossy, uncomfortable around children
this is a biggy.... male-bashing
is uncomfortable with sexuality
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Christian Campbell
Robin Lee Powell <rlpo...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
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> robtoc@DON'T.worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> One of the most attractive women I've ever seen is at
> http://www.internext.com.au/row/990905.jpg, to give you an example
> (warning, she's naked).
>
I saw the pic! Hot... but, not my type. Here's one that is
http://masti.net/html/urm67.htm (she's fully clothed).
Christian
Antigone
Likes:
Dark hair (Medium length to long is best)
Breasts, any size from A to F as long as they are natural. Breasts that were
REDUCED for medical reasons (i.e. back pain) are cool. Breasts that have been
enlarged aren't. (Yes, I have seen bigger breasts then F that were natural)
Slightly overweight, i.e. 15 - 30 pounds overweight. (I like a little
cushion<g>)
Hispanic & American Indian women are especially attractive to me.
As for men: (I'm bi-curious)
Small to medium penis
Clean
Trimmed beard
Turn offs:
Skinny. The "Model" figure doesn't turn me off unless they have a figure like
Twiggy.
Bitchy, bossy, depressed, pessimistic, or similar negative personality traits.
Crotches that are completely shaved. Some trimming is cool, but a bald crotch
makes then look like a kid, totally gross.
Les
Antigone
>money and a professional's time while there are bomb blast victims in
>need of heroic surgery or babies dying for want of a saline & glcose
>infusion.
>
>Joanna
>
Sheesh, I wish I had thought of that reply. Well said Joanna!!!
Les
Jon Purvis
Robert E. O'Connor <robtoc@DON'T.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
>group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
>they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
Do like: slim to athletic figure, small to medium breasts, light to
medium tan, no tan lines, medium to long hair, piercings of the ear,
bellybutton, breast, or genetalia. I generally prefer the natural hair
color to dyes or bleachings, but not always. It's more the dislike of
the head and bush not matching than a dislike of color change. Prefer
shaved or well-trimmed (i.e., bare lips). Actual hair color is
unimportant. Being that I'm 6'4", I prefer tall women (5'10"+), but
single and tall seem to be mutually exclusive around here.
Do not like: 99% of artificial breasts, 75% of tattos, big clunkly shoes,
and brussel sprouts. Ugh! :-) Hair on the legs and armpits is a big
turnoff. I seldom care for the "natural" look (no makeup, not brushing
hair, etc) but none is far better than too much. Oh, and
silicon-injected lips mystify me. I can't think of a single instance in
which this improved a person's appearance in my eyes.
Yeah, all kinds of physical criteria, but in the long run I find myself
ignoring everything but weight (it's the one hangup I can't get past) for
the right personality. I've found that while my "perfect" physical ideal
is rare, it does exist, but I've only found one personality match and
that was temporory as she later changed interests and beliefs to the
point we are now incompatible.
--
jrpu...@netcom.com Jon Purvis jon.p...@tpwd.state.tx.us
A wildlife biologist trapped in a programmer's cubicle.
David Austin
wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:36:54 CST, rob...@worldnet.att.net (Robert E.
> O'Connor) wrote:
>
>>It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
>>group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
>>they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
>
<stuff deleted>
> I see no point in regretting ones looks unless one is born with an
> abnormality such as a cleft palate in which case I am pleased that
> modern cosmetic surgery can help.
>
> I see no point in seeking to avoid ageing with tucks and lifts because
> you cannot change your birth certificate.
>
> Surgery always carries risks and, IMO, is a last resort to excise
> unhealthy tissue or to save or enhance _reasonable_ life.
> Having a longer penis or bigger boobs seems to me a complete waste of
> money and a professional's time while there are bomb blast victims in
> need of heroic surgery or babies dying for want of a saline & glcose
> infusion.
There's a another question in the neighborhood that may also be worth
thinking about. (It might even be the originally intended question.)
Suppose that, as in some science fiction, it was not only possible but easy,
safe and cheap to alter one's body in these relatively superficial ways. (Of
course, what's superficial in this sense can nevertheless be quite
important.) To retain fairly close similarity to present circumstances,
suppose also that the method would only work as desired a very small number
of times; even yearly changes would mount up too fast. And please put aside
for now the possibility of large gender alterations since that raises issues
that are not as closely related to the original question.
So these methods, which need not be "surgical" (perhaps they are
nanotechnological), carry no significant risk, do not prolong life
unreasonably and do not waste valuable resources that are desperately needed
elsewhere. (At least, they are no more wasteful than many convenient things
many people do every day. If, however, you are one of those suffused with
agonizing guilt over, say, your latest purchase of chewing gum or "brand
name" tissues, then simply imagine the nanotechnology was a
no-strings-attached gift from a race of extraterrestrial cosmetologists.)
These changed circumstances might affect the ways in which appearance is
assessed - and speculation about what the likely effects would be
interesting, too - but suppose in addition that any such changes have not
yet taken place - it's too soon after the methods have become available.
What appearance-changes if any would you like to see made in yourself or
(any number of) other people? Are there any attributes that you would like
to prefer to see more frequently in people? any mix of attributes? And in
each case: Why?
David.
--
David F. Austin
David_...@ncsu.edu
Christian Campbell
David Austin <David_...@ncsu.edu> wrote in message
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with cosmetic surgery. It's quite another, to see every woman transformed
into a goddess and every man into a god. This may be too much to take for
us, visually stimulated, men too handle. It would be an assault on our
sense of order in the universe. We can accept that there are other men who
are better looking than us as long as we know we are better looking than
other men. Further, there is a certain status that being with a beautiful
woman implies. If they're all beautiful... then what? What will the Donald
Trumps & Larry Kings of the world do? They won't be able to flaunt their
success by marrying 20 something models. Please don't ever mention this
topic again... I'm going to have nightmares tonight!
smile
smile
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smile
I don't know Robin. That little mole on her left chin is very distracting.
joke,joke,joke,joke.
smile
>
> I saw the pic! Hot... but, not my type. Here's one that is
> http://masti.net/html/urm67.htm (she's fully clothed).
>
> Christian
Nah, Chris. She doesn't have any thumbs.
smile
smile
naked!
http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
smile
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>
> Robin Lee Powell <rlpo...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> news:7uqe0s$3v4$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca...
> > robtoc@DON'T.worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >
> > One of the most attractive women I've ever seen is at
> > http://www.internext.com.au/row/990905.jpg, to give you an example
> > (warning, she's naked).
> >
>
Wildchld97
<coco...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She is
>naked!
>
>http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
>
>smile
>
Bow Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
Wildchild
Christian Campbell
in her unclothed state... I wouldn't want to see her any other way. LOL!
smile <coco...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She
is
> naked!
>
> http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
>
> smile
>
>
David Austin
<cecam...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> David Austin <David_...@ncsu.edu> wrote in message
> news:lb8Q3.9593$1N6....@news3.mco...
<stuff deleted>
>> There's a another question in the neighborhood that may also be worth
>> thinking about. (It might even be the originally intended question.)
>>
>> Suppose that, as in some science fiction, it was not only possible but easy,
>> safe and cheap to alter one's body in these relatively superficial ways.
<stuff deleted>
>> What appearance-changes if any would you like to see made in yourself or
>> (any number of) other people? Are there any attributes that you would like
>> to prefer to see more frequently in people? any mix of attributes? And in
>> each case: Why?
>>
> I shudder at the thought. It's one thing to see a small number of people
> with cosmetic surgery. It's quite another, to see every woman transformed
> into a goddess and every man into a god. This may be too much to take for
> us, visually stimulated, men too handle. It would be an assault on our
> sense of order in the universe.
<stuff deleted>
The presuppositions that make this reply funny are of course the ones that
might be called into question by the changed circumstances.
What kinds of alterations would transform women and men into "goddesses" and
"gods"? How much agreement is there about this?
Would people still care as much about appearance if they knew it was readily
altered, or would they focus on other personal attributes? Would couples in
love later decide together which alterations they'd find mutually pleasing?
A way of approaching some overlapping issues: It's already relatively easy
to alter photographic images, and it will get much easier in the next decade
or two. If your contact with someone was to be purely, permanently virtual,
and you had control over your animated image, what would it ("virtual you")
look like?
Remus Shepherd
> Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She is
> naked!
> http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
> smile
I was not going to answer this thread...I was not going to answer this
thread...
...but I have to admit, in the Picture Gallery there's a snapshot of
her mother, and she is just plain hot. :)
... ...
Remus Shepherd (re...@netcom.com) idea of an 'appealing type', though,
involves long soft fur and a cold nose, so...
lyndon
O'Connor) wrote:
>Often here, we read about various types that turn people on or off.
>And the subject of body alteration -- as in breast implants, body
>piercing, penile elongation -- has come up. Not long ago I pointed
>out that all men are not turned on by large breasts and some of the
>men chimed in to support that point.
>
>It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
>group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
>they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
>
don't like implants. love breasts, large and small with a preference
for big nipples. would love to meet more women with tattoos. i can't
wait to get my first one.
piercings are fun if they don't get in the way. clitoral rings do
sometimes and i'm not sure i like blowjobs with a tongue piercing but
they do look cool.
i shudder to think what my reaction's going to be the first time a
woman takes her shirt off in front of me and her nipples are
pierced... skeeves me out worse than breast implants!
ultimately, i am attracted to a wide variety of natural body types
(makes it much easier to find a date :-) and i am sure i can get past
most body modifications if i really like the person. but nipple rings
really really bother me for some reason i can't explain.
-lyndon
>Personally, I'm not dead set against these operations and I don't
>think it's necessarily foolish if a man likes women to have enormous
>breasts or a woman to want a man with a tree-trunk penis. Whatever
>does it for you is your business and good luck with it. It's just
>that the people who think there's some absolute standard that they've
>missed should know they can still be found attractive. In fact, it
>could be that making radical cosmetic changes might turn off the very
>person you'd be the most happy with.
>
lyndon
(Robin Lee Powell) wrote:
>robtoc@DON'T.worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>Often here, we read about various types that turn people on or off.
>>And the subject of body alteration -- as in breast implants, body
>>piercing, penile elongation -- has come up. Not long ago I pointed
>>out that all men are not turned on by large breasts and some of the
>>men chimed in to support that point.
>>
>>It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
>>group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
>>they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
>
>I'll stick just to women, for personal reason, but I _am_ bi so I'm
>leaving a fair bit out.
>
>I'll also go purely for physical attractiveness, because it'd get too
>complicated otherwise.
>
>Likes:
>
>1. Red hair.
>2. Voluptuous.
>3. Pretty, easy smile.
>4. Sexy/slutty clothes.
>5. Large nipples.
yes, yes, yes, yes and yes!!
>6. Unshaven arms, legs, armpits.
>7. Either petit _or_ really tall.
>
>These vary slightly for women who aren't white: I find tall black women
>and petit oriental women more attractive, frex. As for weight, I find a
>range where the woman has some definate fat but not enough to interfere
>with sex best (I'm a teensy bit small), but that's not usually a primary
>concern.
>
>Dislikes
>
>1. Smokes.
>2. Perfume.
>3. Lots of makeup.
>
yes, yes and yes
>One of the most attractive women I've ever seen is at
>http://www.internext.com.au/row/990905.jpg, to give you an example
>(warning, she's naked).
OK, since i concurred with your likes/dislikes you know i just HAD to
check this out in the name of science :-)
All i can say is i can't wait til my girlfriend gets here. hmmm, maybe
i won't. :-)
-l
Jack Posey
Awesome. That is downright good stuff.
Love,
Jack
Wildchld97 wrote:
> In article <7urb30$du1$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "smile"
> <coco...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> >Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She is
> >naked!
> >
> >http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
> >
> >smile
> >
>
> Bow Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Wildchild
Robin Lee Powell
>smile <coco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She is
>> naked!
>
>> http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
>
>> smile
>
>thread...
I, for one, would have been disappointed if you hadn't. BTW, I find
your bravery in discussing this stuff really impressive.
Robin Lee Powell
>>One of the most attractive women I've ever seen is at
>>http://www.internext.com.au/row/990905.jpg, to give you an example
>>(warning, she's naked).
>
>OK, since i concurred with your likes/dislikes you know i just HAD to
>check this out in the name of science :-)
>
>All i can say is i can't wait til my girlfriend gets here. hmmm, maybe
>i won't. :-)
<laugh> I take it she matches? Hey, I'm poly, we can share!
-Robin, who is fully aware of how rude that was, and was kidding. Sort
of. :-)
smile
smile
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smile
smile
Wildchld97 <wildc...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> In article <7urb30$du1$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "smile"
> <coco...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> >Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She
is
> >naked!
> >
> >http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
> >
> >smile
> >
>
> Bow Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Wildchild
>
smile
really cute pup.
smile
Remus Shepherd <re...@netcom.com> wrote in message
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> smile <coco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She
is
> > naked!
>
> > http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
>
> > smile
>
> I was not going to answer this thread...I was not going to answer this
> thread...
>
Michael G.
height. Neither terribly skinny, nor overweight. Some variance of that is
perfectly satisfactory - not everyone can have the perfect body - I don't.
Second, being comfortable with your assets. I've had lovers with very large
breasts, and I've had lovers whose breasts looked like fried eggs laying on
their chests when laying down. I enjoyed them all.
--
Sir Michael
Address responses to 94p...@email.msn.com.
Robert E. O'Connor wrote in message
<3810b1a0...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
>Often here, we read about various types that turn people on or off.
>And the subject of body alteration -- as in breast implants, body
>piercing, penile elongation -- has come up. Not long ago I pointed
>out that all men are not turned on by large breasts and some of the
>men chimed in to support that point.
>
>It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
>group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
>they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
>
Michael G.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
--
Sir Michael
Address responses to 94p...@email.msn.com.
smile wrote in message <7urb30$du1$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She is
>naked!
>
>http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
>
>smile
>
>
>Christian Campbell <cecam...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Robin Lee Powell <rlpo...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:7uqe0s$3v4$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca...
>> > robtoc@DON'T.worldnet.att.net wrote:
>> >
>> > One of the most attractive women I've ever seen is at
>> > http://www.internext.com.au/row/990905.jpg, to give you an example
>> > (warning, she's naked).
>> >
>>
Fingo
Robert E. O'Connor wrote in message
<3810b1a0...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
>Often here, we read about various types that turn people on or off.
>And the subject of body alteration -- as in breast implants, body
>piercing, penile elongation -- has come up. Not long ago I pointed
>out that all men are not turned on by large breasts and some of the
>men chimed in to support that point.
>
>It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
>group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
>they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
>
>Personally, I'm not dead set against these operations and I don't
>think it's necessarily foolish if a man likes women to have enormous
>breasts or a woman to want a man with a tree-trunk penis. Whatever
>does it for you is your business and good luck with it. It's just
>that the people who think there's some absolute standard that they've
>missed should know they can still be found attractive. In fact, it
>could be that making radical cosmetic changes might turn off the very
>person you'd be the most happy with.
>
>Robert E. O'Connor
>New York, NY
Well, I know I'm being a devils advocate here but I have to
admit that most of the women that I end up being attracted
to have breast implants. The thing is that I like large breasted
women with very fit bodies, the type of body that comes through
diet, exercise, and discipline. Usually, this means that they
have breast implants, which doesn't *prejudice* me in the slightest.
I'm not attracted to breast implants, I am just attracted to
women that usually have them, because I like a certain
body/mind type. I know however that as far as what other men
like, it varies a great deal, everyone has his preferences.
I would never think of putting down someone for their
preferences, so it bothers me when some guys put my tastes
down.
lyndon
In _Neuromancer_ Gibson, through his characters, does discuss this
briefly. Fuzzy memory as i read the book about 10 years ago, but i
think the conclusion what that imperfection became the "new beauty" as
conventional beauty was easily attained.
Personal opinion: not sure. Some years ago, I began the concerted
effort to reshape my body through pushing around heavy bits of cast
iron and eating carefully. I have avoided the stuff with obvious
negative side effects - anabolic/anticatabolic steroids, HGH etc,
which would have made it somewhat easier but i often wondered had
there been a much easier (read: trivial) method if i would go for it.
I think i probably wouldn't as i enjoy remembering what i used to look
like and being proud of all the hard work it took to change.
This is how i tend to feel about male/female bodybuilders. i respect
their committment to hard physical and psychological work as much as i
admire the end product. At the same time, i have no problem with
people who don't really care what they look like. The nice thing about
humanity is all the variations we come in.
So maybe i really would prefer that it wasn't too easy to change your
appearance. I should probably chew on this for a while :-)
-lyndon
Robert E. O'Connor
O'Connor) wrote:
>Often here, we read about various types that turn people on or off.
>And the subject of body alteration -- as in breast implants, body
>piercing, penile elongation -- has come up. Not long ago I pointed
>out that all men are not turned on by large breasts and some of the
>men chimed in to support that point.
I'd like to be able to say, "Point proven." The responses, however,
haven't been large enough for a fairly good sampling. But, these
responses DO illustrate a couple of things:
1) Damn few women participated. I think that's because women, most
times, don't have the stringent standards that men impose. They may
be attracted to someone on the basis of physical attributes but if the
personality is out of sync with theirs, for one night or for one
lifetime, it's no go. Of course, there are exceptions.
2) From the men who responded it does seem clear that there's NO
standard physical type that appeals to them all. Some like big
breasts, some like small breasts, some like makeup and perfume and
others don't, some like thin and others like chubby. Some just like
women, no matter what shape they have.
I DO HOPE THE WOMEN HERE WILL TAKE NOTE OF (2). You're not going to
attract men by getting breast implants, or silicone lips, or any of
the other gee-gaws that are marketed. Oh, you may attract some men
who wouldn't have looked at you before, but you're still going to have
to wait till he opens his mouth before you can decide if he's the
right one. So, I'd say, "Go for it," only if it's what you want, and
not because it's what you THINK someone else MIGHT want. You just
never know.
One other word at this point: Over the years I've known both men and
women who have held strict standards -- he has to have big thighs, she
has to have a small nose, he has to be clean shaven, she has to have
long legs, he has to be a non-smoker, she has to have big breasts and
on and on -- who have ended up with exactly the opposite and been
blissfully happy.
We are people, people. What attracts us on the instant is NOT
necessarily what will attract us going on with the thing. We're not
hard-wired and inflexible. There are, of course, those among us who
will only allow themselves to be attracted to others they're TOLD are
attractive. So, one knows those who will claim that anyone who
appears on a movie screen is gorgeous; every fashion model is
magnificent. It's just not true, but you'll never convince them
otherwise and the pity is that some people will end up spending their
lives in the pursuit -- or worse, living with -- someone because
others say they SHOULD be attracted.
Lindashm
>A way of approaching some overlapping issues: It's already relatively easy
>to alter photographic images, and it will get much easier in the next decade
>or two. If your contact with someone was to be purely, permanently virtual,
>and you had control over your animated image, what would it ("virtual you")
>look like?
To some extent, isn't that already possible?
I think you could also ask who has altered his (or her) appearance when
describing it over IRC, chats, newsgroups, etc. I think people often look for
purely virtual sexual relationships in those places.
I wonder if it is common for people to pretend to look like something they're
not? I would imagine there are varying degrees. Having acne airbrushed out of
high school yearbook photo isn't quite the same as passing off a photo of
someone else as your own. Or is it?
I read this recently:
"Most people (61%) admitted pretending occasionally (48%) or often (20%) to be
a different age than they are. Despite the popular conception that "gender
bending" is a pervasive activity, it was found to be a fairly unusual event.
Only 5% of the sample indicated pretending to be a different gender, and most
of them (4%) said that they do so only occasionally. Less than half of the
respondents (38%) said they present themselves as a race different than their
own on occasion (27%) or more often (11%). A small yet considerable proportion
of respondents (14%) reported misrepresenting themselves on other unidentified
factors."
http://www.apa.org/journals/pro/pro302154.html
FWIW, I don't think I'd alter my appearance (surgically or otherwise).
- Linda
David Formosa aka ? the Platypus
>A way of approaching some overlapping issues: It's already relatively easy
>to alter photographic images, and it will get much easier in the next decade
>or two. If your contact with someone was to be purely, permanently virtual,
>and you had control over your animated image, what would it ("virtual you")
>look like?
I would look like an anthromorphic platypus.
--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://www.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Jon Purvis
David Austin <David_...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
[much snippage about future nanotech giving cheap, easy physical changes]
I think the biggest change to society is that we would no longer care
about absolute standards. If every woman can be blond with blue eyes,
long legs, and big tits, guys won't want that near as much because it's
no longer rare. Appearance will start to be a manifestation of
personality, and you chose on that basis. At first, I bet there would be
an overwhelming number of women getting larger breasts and men getting
10" dicks, but I see that stopping as soon as the novelty value wears off
and the fashion industry steps in. For a while that would be the rage,
then people want to have animal motifs (tiger stripes, fur, tails, etc),
and five years later you just have to be a sexless android or you can't
get into the good nightclubs. Appearance could also denote membership in
a group (sports fan, gangs, depressed teenager, cowboys).
>What appearance-changes if any would you like to see made in yourself or
>(any number of) other people? Are there any attributes that you would like
>to prefer to see more frequently in people? any mix of attributes? And in
>each case: Why?
My hangup is weight, so I would want obesity eradicated. Sure, some
would want to stay that way (there's a type for everyone, as the parent
thread to this is showing), but this could be the miracle diet of the
future. And for skinny guys like me that can't gain weight regardless of
what we do, I'd finally gain enough weight to have a "normal" frame.
There's Big&Tall stores around, but I have never seen a Thin&Tall shop.
Shopping for clothes sucks. Other things I'd change is acne - everyone
gets clean, smooth skin and hair length - it would stop growing at a set
length on my head and face and disappear entirely from my groin.
--
jrpu...@netcom.com Jon Purvis jon.p...@tpwd.state.tx.us
A wildlife biologist trapped in a programmer's cubicle.
smile
I know what anthropomorphic is and I know what a platypus is but I cannot
even begin to conceive what an anthropomorphic platypus might be.
smile
David Formosa aka ? the Platypus <dfor...@zeta.org.au> wrote in message
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Joe Schmoe
>
> Likes:
>
> 1. Red hair.
damn, I have competition.
> 2. Voluptuous.
> 3. Pretty, easy smile.
> 4. Sexy/slutty clothes.
> 5. Large nipples.
Joe Schmoe
face. Boob size doesn't matter, but if she's fake or too big, count me out.
If she's too small, it doesn't matter. Redheads are already rare, let alone
one with a prett face. BTW, if anyone out there matches this description,
I'm 6' tall and love sex.
Robert E. O'Connor <rob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3810b1a0...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> Often here, we read about various types that turn people on or off.
> And the subject of body alteration -- as in breast implants, body
> piercing, penile elongation -- has come up. Not long ago I pointed
> out that all men are not turned on by large breasts and some of the
> men chimed in to support that point.
>
> It would be interesting, and instructive, to see what people in the
> group DO and DO NOT like because there are some here who regret what
> they look like and others who are considering surgical alteration.
>
> Personally, I'm not dead set against these operations and I don't
> think it's necessarily foolish if a man likes women to have enormous
> breasts or a woman to want a man with a tree-trunk penis. Whatever
> does it for you is your business and good luck with it. It's just
> that the people who think there's some absolute standard that they've
> missed should know they can still be found attractive. In fact, it
> could be that making radical cosmetic changes might turn off the very
> person you'd be the most happy with.
>
Catz...@webtv.net
Elf Sternberg
>I'll stick just to women, for personal reason, but I _am_ bi so I'm
>leaving a fair bit out.
Gosh, where do I begin to describe what I like? I'm
fascinated by all kinds of women. I have a special place in my heart
for heavyset women-- and a peculiar fascination for very big women.
On the other hand, I find bodybuilder women to be very sexy. Extremes
seem to be a theme there.
For the most part, I hate the artificial. Fake boobs, makeup
and perfume are total turnoffs for me. I can't even stand the "well
applied" version of the above. I like people who do a good job of
keeping themselves healthy-- bad skin and poor hygenie are among my
instant turnoffs.
And I like innocent clothing. Sexy clothing doesn't do it for
me, but the strait-laced librarian look has always done it for me.
On the other chromosome, with guys I like someone who knows
what he wants and how to ask for it. I will admit to liking big
dicks but one isn't necessary for my pleasure. Sexual competence is
very sexy, and bears (big, furry guys) with it make my heart throb,
especially if they want to get kinky.
Elf
--
Elf M. Sternberg, rational romantic mystic cynical idealist
MST3K - Help save the saving grace of television.
A.A 1493 http://www.halcyon.com/elf/
Sam Murai
if they are paid well, since that may be a part of the reason why they chose
to pursue such a specialised career. But I know what you are trying to say.
-Sam
j...@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote in message
<3814e706...@news.demon.co.uk>...
ů
ů>Surgery always carries risks and, IMO, is a last resort to excise
>unhealthy tissue or to save or enhance _reasonable_ life.
>Having a longer penis or bigger boobs seems to me a complete waste of
>money and a professional's time while there are bomb blast victims in
>need of heroic surgery or babies dying for want of a saline & glcose
>infusion.
>
>Joanna
>
>
>
>
Sam Murai
it would be acceptable like cosmetics and skin care products are acceptable.
Just like technology (as in knowledge and the products) in cosmetics and
skin care products has allowed women (and men) to alter / enhance their
looks, much more than just rouge and powder of yesteryear.
Then the definition of the word "superficial" becomes the focus for debate.
After all, don't cosmetics allow you to make your eyes appear larger, or
highlight / downplay certain features? Couldn't the skin care products we
use today, be a mild form of this nanotechnology which David is
hypothesising? Especially with products that can enhance the glow of your
skin and remove wrinkles, almost instantly? When technology progresses to a
stage where surgical enhancements become, safe, easy, convenient, and even
painless (I understand that hair waxing can still be a little painful!), I'm
sure we will step into a brave new world where it is as acceptable as using
wrinkle-removal products. Witness liposuction.
There is certainly enough human vanity and money spent on such to drive this
science forwards.
One could also criticise cosmetics for being highly superficial because it's
very temporary, whereas plastic surgery is permanent. Then one can say that
someone who is glamorised by make-up and / or professional photography is
only artificially enhanced, whereas an operation is permanent, making your
new image genuine, even if it is a couple of silicone sacks.
-Sam
David Austin wrote in message ...
…
>Suppose that, as in some science fiction, it was not only possible but
easy,
>safe and cheap to alter one's body in these relatively superficial ways. …
…
>These changed circumstances might affect the ways in which appearance is
>assessed - and speculation about what the likely effects would be
>interesting, too - but suppose in addition that any such changes have not
>yet taken place - it's too soon after the methods have become available.
>
>What appearance-changes if any would you like to see made in yourself or
>(any number of) other people? Are there any attributes that you would like
>to prefer to see more frequently in people? any mix of attributes? And in
>each case: Why?
>
Sam Murai
-Sam
8)
Wildchld97 wrote in message
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>In article <7urb30$du1$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "smile"
><coco...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>>Now if you really want to see a cute female. Check her out. Warning: She
is
>>naked!
>>
>>http://www.kaycopy.com/puppies/
>>
>>smile
>>
>
>Bow Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>Wildchild
>
Sam Murai
hair all over their face?
-Sam
Catz...@webtv.net wrote in message
<17855-38...@storefull-122.bryant.webtv.net>...
You know, I think people should be natural,
just be your self!
there is someone for everyone.
I personally love a man who is really hairy.
the more the better. long hair , hair all over his body, hair
everywhere. lol
thats just what I think.
Christian Campbell
all live in some sort of virtual world. We will not have actual physical
contact with one another, but virtual contact. Then, we could just program
the virtual world to our own liking. Unlikely... and, yes, sick, but who
knows what the turn of the 4th millenium will be like?
Sam Murai <sam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> .
David Formosa aka ? the Platypus
>What in hell is an anthropomorphic platypus.
>I know what anthropomorphic is and I know what a platypus is but I cannot
>even begin to conceive what an anthropomorphic platypus might be.
Imagine a platypus, now stand him on two legs instead of four, round
out his face a little and give him the ability to speek. One
anthropomorphic platypus.
Remus Shepherd
> I think someone else brushed on this idea, but... perhaps, one day we will
> all live in some sort of virtual world. We will not have actual physical
> contact with one another, but virtual contact. Then, we could just program
> the virtual world to our own liking. Unlikely... and, yes, sick, but who
> knows what the turn of the 4th millenium will be like?
Read a book called 'Snow Crash', by Neil Stephenson. Although written
in present tense and a bit tedious in parts, most of this book is a terrific
sci-fi romp. It showcases a virtual world where people design their own
bodies...or take cheap 'off the rack' forms available to the public. It also
shows some of the uglier possibilities of virtual bodies, such as the guy
walking around as the six-foot talking penis.
smile
Ok.
Dont worry about the spelling David. I miss a word from time to time also.
smile
David Formosa aka ? the Platypus <dfor...@zeta.org.au> wrote in message
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Tori W
more emotional or mental soon after getting to know a person.
It seems that in general the men I have dated have been big guys. But
whatever they look like, would mean nothing if there wasnt some kind of
mental chemistry involved at some point.
I myself am a big girl, but unlike so many others, I am happy with my
physicl being as well as my mental being.
All this talk about what people like is almost nonsense to me. Who
cares what other people think??? First and foremost be happy with
yourself, self esteem grows from there.
I havent always felt this way, it took a long time to get here, but that
is ok, we live and learn!
oops! just some thoughts!
Antigone
>more emotional or mental soon after getting to know a person.
>
This is true for most people, but I know a few egotistical people who won't
even givce teh time of day to someone that isn't physically attractive to them.
>It seems that in general the men I have dated have been big guys. But
>whatever they look like, would mean nothing if there wasnt some kind of
>mental chemistry involved at some point.
I agree!!! All the women I have dated were "large". Chemistry triumphs over
appearance. :)
>I myself am a big girl, but unlike so many others, I am happy with my
>physicl being as well as my mental being.
>
GREAT!!!!!
Les
Robert E. O'Connor
>All this talk about what people like is almost nonsense to me. Who
>cares what other people think??? First and foremost be happy with
>yourself, self esteem grows from there.
You're absolutely right. My premise, to begin with, was that people
-- men in particular -- are unduly influenced by the opinions of the
crowd, to the point that they're hardly ever looking at what appeals
to THEM but rather what they're told SHOULD appeal to them if they're
real guys.
It's absurd. I agree.
Sam Murai
mere thought of all this sexual discussion would have been considered
extremely perverse say, during the Victorian era.
-Sam
Christian Campbell wrote in message
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Wildchld97
<sam_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>Perhaps only considered "sick" by our current standards, just as even the
>mere thought of all this sexual discussion would have been considered
>extremely perverse say, during the Victorian era.
>
>-Sam
>
I guess we're all fortunate in that respect. Hell, all of us would have been
burned at the stake for talking like we do. They would think all of us were in
league with the Devil himself.
Wildchild
Ande
build, dark hair, slightly darker complexion and any color eyes. I like
all hair types, curly, straight or wavy. They HAVE to be smart or forget
it. And I love smartasses since I am probably the most sarcastic human
alive. How much money they had never mattered. The punchline is that I
married a tall lanky redhead, nothing that had ever appealed to me.
However, he opened his mouth and blew me away with who he was (is). The
moral of the story........don't rule out anyone you meet, you never
know!