BROKEN PROMISES ON HEALTH CARE REFORM
AnAmericanCitizen
(askheritage.org)
What Are Liberals� Broken Promises on Health Care Reform?
1) There will be transparency in the law-making process. For the past month, the
Senate Finance Committee has been debating health care. But, much to the surprise of
many Americans, they haven�t been debating an actual bill. They have been debating
and amending a 262-page description of health care reform. It�s essentially a summary
of what liberals want the bill to look like, and no member of the Committee, or the
public, has seen actual legislation. The legislation will likely not be available
until the bill is debated on the floor.
2) The bill won't add a dime to the deficit. Since the Senate bill is yet to be
written, there are no official cost estimates. However, initial estimates of a
description of the bill (which is what the Finance Committee has been debating) by
the Congressional Budget Office indicate the gross cost will be $829 billion.
Independent analysis by The Lewin Group, a highly respected health care policy and
management consulting firm, expects the House bill to run a $39 billion deficit in
the first decade, and a $1 trillion deficit in the second decade.
3) If you like the coverage you have you can keep it. Liberals in Congress continue
to demand the inclusion of a public plan, a new government run health plan to
�compete� against private health insurance plans. The Lewin Group calculated the
impact the House bill�s public plan would have on existing health insurance coverage.
It found with a public plan:
?56 percent of Americans with employer-based coverage would lose their current
coverage with the addition of a public plan.
?Of the estimated 172.5 million people with private health insurance, there would be
a decline of 83.4 million people with private coverage.
?34 percent of the uninsured in America would still lack coverage.
4) The bill won't cut benefits for seniors. It is impossible to cut payments to
Medicare Advantage plans without cutting benefits. The Congressional Budget Office
director testified that Medicare benefits will be cut, meaning seniors' private
options for their health care needs are at risk.
5) The bill won't raise taxes on those earning less than $250,000. Provisions in the
House and Senate bill would lead to a tax increase regardless of income. In fact, of
the folks hit by the House�s plans steep tax hikes, more than half fall in the bottom
60 percent of the income scale. Small businesses and low-income workers would be
especially hit. In the Senate Finance Committee, amendments were offered that would
have protected those below $250,000, and each one failed.
6) It will save American families $2500 a year. There has been no analysis to show
that these bills would deliver these promised savings. In fact, mandates in the
current bills would have the opposite effect, forcing many individuals to pay more
money out-of-pocket, and compelling businesses to reduce wages, salaries, and job
opportunities.
7) The government plan won't cover abortions or illegal immigrants. Amendments were
offered in the House and Senate Committee mark-ups to clarify that abortion services
would not be included and to ensure proper identification of citizenship were used in
determining eligibility. Each of these amendments failed. (Of course, as we all know
now, if the program includes a public option, all immigrants, illegal and otherwise
will be able to take advantage of free medical care at the expense of the American
taxpayers.)
Billy
AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
> (askheritage.org)
>
> What Are Liberals� Broken Promises on Health Care Reform?
>
You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
--
�When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.�
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm
Jim_Higgins
> In article <p9i9d5lokkn4948jr...@4ax.com>,
> AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
>> (askheritage.org)
>>
>>
>
> You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
> France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
> sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
But, but, but that would take away the great benefit of American
healthcare-medical bankruptcies and FAT profits for Big Pharma and Big
Insurance!
Strabo
> In article <p9i9d5lokkn4948jr...@4ax.com>,
> AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
>> (askheritage.org)
>>
>>
>
> You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
> France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
> sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
>
If France does do it then Americans would also have to be "cheese
eating surrender monkeys".
We already have better medical resources in the US and we don't
want to be "cheese eating surrender monkeys".
But if that is what you believe, if that is important to you, then
move to France.
Jerry Okamura
"Billy" <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote in message
news:wldbilly-2631FB...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> In article <p9i9d5lokkn4948jr...@4ax.com>,
> AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
>> (askheritage.org)
>>
>> What Are Liberals' Broken Promises on Health Care Reform?
>>
>
> You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
> France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
> sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
How important is freedom?
Beam Me Up Scotty
> In article <p9i9d5lokkn4948jr...@4ax.com>,
> AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
>> (askheritage.org)
>>
>> What Are Liberals’ Broken Promises on Health Care Reform?
>>
>
Obama promised to protect and preserve the Constitution of the United
States.....
This plan violates the 4th amendment.
> You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
> France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
> sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
Not unless you give up your 4th amendment in the constitution and allow
the government to take your papers and force you to give your personal
information to a government office or government or other insurance agency.
When you repeal the 4th amendment the police will no longer need a
warrant to get your papers and personal effects.....
Thank that Constitutional genius Obama for ignoring the Constitution.
--
*BE VERY CONCERNED*
"The truth is strong enough to show liars and thieves for what they
are." - Poetic Justice -
clams_casino
>
>
>Americans have to be eased into a drastic change in their health care
>system.
>
The problem I'm having is that I'm not hearing much about improving
health care / reducing costs, but rather how and who to tax to raise
money to provide unlimited health care for all. The basis is becoming
forcing healthy people such as younger males to pay for insurance that
they will rarely use. It's probably not as much of a concern for
seniors vs the working people (currently with insurance) who can
conservatively expect to pay an additional 10-15% for the same or
potentially less health care than they currently receive to subsidize
those who can't afford the premiums.
As Hillary realized, younger males tend not to vote, so passing such
increases onto them is the easiest way to pay for these subsidies.
Billy
Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
> Billy wrote:
> > In article <p9i9d5lokkn4948jr...@4ax.com>,
> > AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
> >> (askheritage.org)
> >>
> >> What Are Liberals’ Broken Promises on Health Care Reform?
> >>
> >
>
> Obama promised to protect and preserve the Constitution of the United
> States.....
>
> This plan violates the 4th amendment.
>
>
>
> > You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
> > France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
> > sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
>
>
> Not unless you give up your 4th amendment in the constitution and allow
> the government to take your papers and force you to give your personal
> information to a government office or government or other insurance agency.
>
> When you repeal the 4th amendment the police will no longer need a
> warrant to get your papers and personal effects.....
>
> Thank that Constitutional genius Obama for ignoring the Constitution.
And what do you think Admiral Poindexter and the Patriot Act have been
up to? Don't go obtuse on us now.
Billy
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Depends on how real you think it is. Even the birds are chained to the
sky.
Billy
Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> Billy wrote:
> > In article <p9i9d5lokkn4948jr...@4ax.com>,
> > AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
> >> (askheritage.org)
> >>
> >> What Are Liberals� Broken Promises on Health Care Reform?
> >>
> >
> > You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
> > France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
> > sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
> >
>
> If France does do it then Americans would also have to be "cheese
> eating surrender monkeys".
>
> We already have better medical resources in the US and we don't
> want to be "cheese eating surrender monkeys".
>
> But if that is what you believe, if that is important to you, then
> move to France.
I'm taking donations.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
When the tough get going, the going gets tough.
Jerry Okamura
> In article <_UnBm.18565$eJ4....@newsfe07.iad>,
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> "Billy" <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote in message
>> news:wldbilly-2631FB...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
>> > In article <p9i9d5lokkn4948jr...@4ax.com>,
>> > AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
>> >> (askheritage.org)
>> >>
>> >> What Are Liberals' Broken Promises on Health Care Reform?
>> >>
>> >
>> > You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
>> > France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
>> > sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
>>
>> How important is freedom?
>
> Depends on how real you think it is. Even the birds are chained to the
> sky.
How "real" do you think it is?
> --
> �When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why
> the poor have no food, they call you a communist.�
> -Archbishop Helder Camara
Is it better to teach people to feed themselves, or is it better to feed
them?
Billy
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> "Billy" <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote in message
> news:wldbilly-474EAD...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> > In article <_UnBm.18565$eJ4....@newsfe07.iad>,
> > "Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Billy" <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote in message
> >> news:wldbilly-2631FB...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> >> > In article <p9i9d5lokkn4948jr...@4ax.com>,
> >> > AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> HERITAGE FOUNDATION
> >> >> (askheritage.org)
> >> >>
> >> >> What Are Liberals' Broken Promises on Health Care Reform?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You mean the lack of a single payer, universal health coverage?
> >> > France can do it. If cheese eating, surrender monkeys can do it, I'm
> >> > sure that AMERICA can do it as well.
> >>
> >> How important is freedom?
> >
> > Depends on how real you think it is. Even the birds are chained to the
> > sky.
>
> How "real" do you think it is?
Not very, it is "Orwellian" real. See Edward Bernays and Walter Lippman
for "manufacturing of consent". If you are talking about the freedom to
vote for a Democrat or a Republican, or to buy Miller Beer, or Miller
Lite, that is no freedom at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Lippmann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_The_Political_Economy
_of_the_Mass_Media
> > --
> > �When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why
> > the poor have no food, they call you a communist.�
> > -Archbishop Helder Camara
>
> Is it better to teach people to feed themselves, or is it better to feed
> them?
This is a false dichotomy. Why don't you ask, what is the sound of one
hand clapping?
It is better that people be fed and sheltered, by any means.
Is it better that people learn to grow their own food, or buy it in a
store.
Is it better that people learn to build their own homes, or buy one
pre-made.
Is it better that people make their own clothes, or buy them off the
rack?
Is it better for a person to build their own car, or buy one off the lot?
Is it better that people teach their own children, or send them to a
public school?
There is more than one way up the mountain.
--
�When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.�
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm
Jerry Okamura
Doesn't that depend on the question, how are you going to fed and shelter
they people?
>
> Is it better that people learn to grow their own food, or buy it in a
> store.
Well, yes, that is the same question I asked.
> Is it better that people learn to build their own homes, or buy one
> pre-made.
If you are able to build your own home, you are more likely to have a home.
If you depend on someone else to build your home, you need to have the money
to pay that someone else to build your home. If you don't have the money,
you will not have the home.
> Is it better that people make their own clothes, or buy them off the
> rack?
You are more likely to have clothes if you make your own clothes, simply
because it is far cheaper to make your own clothes. If you have to pay for
the clothes you need, then those with the least amount of money will have a
harder time having the clothese they need.
> Is it better for a person to build their own car, or buy one off the lot?
It will be far cheaper to build your own car, but that requires a whole lot
of work.
> Is it better that people teach their own children, or send them to a
> public school?
The goal is the same. That your child gets the education they need to
become productive citizens. So, the choice is, which will achieve the goal?
>
> There is more than one way up the mountain.
Only if there is more than one way up the mountain.
Billy
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
The point is that it takes too much time to learn, and do everything
yourself. Your path doesn't go anywhere. It's just dogma.
--
�When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.�
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm
Jerry Okamura
It may be "dogma", but you are truly free when you depend on no one but
yourself.
Billy
"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Give it up, Jerry. Humans are social animals. We depend on each other.
We depend on family on raise us, and to take care of us where we are old
and feeble. I'm just suggesting that you make your definition of
"family" a little more inclusive.
Spiders and snakes, though, are on their own.
--
�When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.�
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm
Jerry Okamura
can be "forced" to do what someone else wants us to do.