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Subject: Re: Explosive news over tea vs. the Norbulingka story: Da Lama's
 decadence for the summer time as the Tibetan masses remained illiterate and
 died young!
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On Feb 28, 4:36=A0pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> So, hard-yards is pushing this pile of whiny bull:
>
> =A0 >\342\200\234Not only are foreign media organizations prevented from
> =A0 >covering these events, but the authorities have also organized a
> =A0 >veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such
> =A0 >as the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse
> =A0 >the international community of interfering.
> =A0 >
> =A0 >\342\200\234Few media outlets are able to obtain first-hand
> =A0 >information and fewer still manage to travel to the regions
> =A0 >concerned.
> =A0 >
> =A0 >\342\200\234Out of sight of the world, a major crisis is unfolding.
> =A0 >Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, . . . <snip>
>
> Push, push , push . . ..
>
> Now nobody can possibly be doing anything sinister to keep "foreign
> media organizations" "from covering these events" because this kind of
> news is pretty much just gossip stuff told "over tea" by a Da Lama
> friendly propagandist, as we can see from the following report:
>
> =A0 On the day in January when Lobsang Jamyang struck the match that
> =A0 took his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle
> =A0 goodbye. He ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle
> =A0 it in prayer, and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back
> =A0 together.
>
> =A0 Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations
> =A0 became a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire,"
> =A0 one of his friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
>
> If this kind of ghastly terrorizing act wasn't done behind the public,
> if it was done at all, the community that has been aiding and abetting
> this kind of terrorist acts would have to be completely shut down for
> failing to live up to its responsibility to protect and care for the
> safety of their own members and the community at large - by any civil
> society in which such a community exists.

LoYawn, you are crazy, so I don't expect you to get this, but your
silly tactics amount to little more than

1) If the US government does it, it's evil.

2) If the Dalai Lama does it, it's evil.

3) If the Chinese government does it, it's OK.

Your lies have been refuted again and again, but you keep on repeating
them. You are one crazy loon!





>
> These immolation acts are immoral acts and aimed to terrorize the
> audience wherever the propagandists can find one.
>
> The so-called "major crisis" that these immoralists are pushing to
> "unfold" is always a huge exaggeration to maximize the dramatic effect
> of these terrorist acts.
>
> In fact, plenty of western news outlets from the Voice of America, the
> Voice of Free this and that, to the New York Times are aching to
> retell these tea-time explosive stories if they have any room left
> after covering Syria, Libya, and commentaries about how "despicable"
> China and Russia are these days.
>
> But how many immolation deaths will have to happen, if they do happen,
> to match the number of drone deaths when each attack will evaporate a
> score or more of unarmed civilians on the ground who harbor no death
> wishes or some totally irrational wish to have another person live
> thousands of years more while you self-immolate?
>
> And how many immolation deaths will have to happen, if they do happen,
> to match the total excess deaths of Iraqi citizens as a result of the
> Iraq war based on false pretenses?
>
> Now those have been ongoing major crises in the world and yet nobody
> has been able to do anything about them despite the number of deaths
> that have actually occurred.
>
> There is a problem of perspective, man ... when these Tibetan young
> men would buy the garbage the exploiting Da Lama and his cohorts in
> Dharamsala try to feed them as they themselves have allowed such a
> medieval level of ignorance to take a hold of their lives.
>
> Nobody should blame others for their own ignorance! =A0Besides the fact
> that their destructive acts will never amount to anything because if
> Mrs. Clinton is huffing and puffing about the "inaction" in Syria, who
> is going to do better and send in the drones to help bring Da Lama
> back to lord over "his people".
>
> I'll instead call on the Tibetan people to wise up and spend their
> time learning logic, mathematics, physics, and biology and see that
> your own life is the greatest gift in the world any living being can
> have. =A0You burn yourself so that Da Lama can come back and live for
> thousands of years? =A0Don't fool yourself, there is no logical,
> physical, biological, or mathematical path that can connect the
> extinction of your life with Da Lama's existence, despicable or not.
>
> You shouldn't immitate a moth and Da Lama should at least re-incarnate
> at least once as a worm so that he can help the other worms to redress
> their pains suffered when their cold hard lives on the Tibetan plateau
> were disturbed in order to satisfy the earthly pleasure of Da Lama and
> his aristocratic friends at their movies parties in mid-summer nights
> way back when they should have been helping to improve the lives and
> longevity of "their people"?
>
> Anti-causal or anachronistic? =A0Not at all ... when it comes to those
> who believe that Da Lama can reincarnate ad nauseum into another and
> still another woman's womb and grow into a man and always a man again
> and again in order to retain his lifestyle at Potola and Norbulingka
> Palaces in Lhasa while keeping the masses at the dirt level either as
> hard laborers or worms.
>
> So what is the point of fighting for your freedom to hold on to a
> religion if that religion simply deprives you of all your freedom to
> think and live freely.
>
> So, wake up! =A0If you don't like anybody, it's within your right and
> prerogative to do something right. =A0But being foolish is never right
> and will never help you live a better life or anyone else to do the
> same.
>
> lo yeeOn
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> I am attaching the following post for more thought on this subject.
>
> In article <d8561f38-4400-41ae-9335-8caf2f2cb...@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups=
.com>,
>
> bmo...@nyx.net <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >On Jan 5, 1:58=A0am, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> >> If it's so important for Da Lama to collect still another meaningless
> >> award bearing Mahatma Gandhi's name, then it should be even more
> >> important to let today's Tibetan people know what a scoundrel Da Lama
> >> was when he had a chance to lead and help improve their ancestors' lot
> >> but did not!
>
> >> Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifetime indictment as
> >> another corrupt religious head who did not care about the masses under
> >> his rule.
>
> >He was 15 years old at the time, you idiot!
>
> Oh yeah? =A0"Only 15 years old at the time", eh? =A0The 15-year old was
> telling his servant/friend Herr Harrer: "Heinrich, go tell `my people'
> to dig the ground at Norbulingka and build me a nice movie theater,
> 'cause I really liked the movies you and I were watching together last
> night ...! =A0Okay, Heinrich?"
>
> If Da Lama was innocent, then you are a total idiot, no question about
> it! =A0So I should not be at all surprised to see how much you want to
> keep drawing attention to yourself for the stupid and meangingless
> work that you're doing on these internet newsgroups.
>
> See, I didn't invent the misery Da Lama caused the Tibetan people.
> His friend Heinrich Harrer revealed it to the world through the book
> he called "Seven Years in Tibet". =A0He did an effective job telling the
> world what Da Lama was doing as a boy king in the isolated Tibet.
>
> Lo and behold, what the boy king was doing clearly explained why Tibet
> was such an impoverished place, where people's average lifespan was
> under forty years of age and where over 80% of the population was
> illiterate, when the People's Liberation Army arrived in 1950.
>
> The boy king might have been in his teens, but it didn't stop him from
> ordering the commoners to dig the ground at Norbulingka and build one
> palace after another. =A0Where did "his people" get a chance to have an
> education? =A0How could they live a decent lifespan working under such
> harsh conditions on the Himalayan plateaus year after year?
>
> Did Da Lama care? =A0Obviously not! =A0Compassion? =A0It's just propagand=
a
> when it suits his western masters.
>
> Even the Wikipedia cited Da Lama as responsible for overseeing many of
> his selfish palatial building projects at Norbulingka, including the
> building of the movie theater described in the "Seven Years in Tibet"
> so vividly.
>
> So no matter how loud you shout in trying to keep the ugly truth about
> Da Lama from the public consciousness, Wikipedia has more authenticity
> than your shout will ever be able to match. =A0You should realize that!
>
> lo yeeOn
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> So, let's look at what Da Lama was doing when he had a chance to order
> people around and caused misery to the Tibetan people which he called
> his "people":
>
> So, I'm reposting what I wrote last time with a few clarifications:
>
> If it's so important for Da Lama to collect still another meaningless
> award bearing Mahatma Gandhi's name, then it should be even more
> important to let today's Tibetan people know what a scoundrel Da Lama
> was when he had a chance to lead and help improve their ancestors' lot
> but did not!
>
> Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifelong indictment as
> another corrupt religious head who did not care about the masses under
> his rule.
>
> In addition to the terrible physical hardship, Da Lama year after year
> gave "his people" a great deal of emotional distress, when he wanted
> work done on his lavish palatial projects. =A0By asking his blonde
> European visitor (Herr Heinrich Harrer) to direct "his people" to
> break the hard cold ground of Lhasa for his movie theater, he forced
> them to face, according to the superstitions they had been taught,
> countless numbers of their "mothers" and "grandmothers" writhing in
> pain in their own bare hands, as the poor little creatures who were
> their mothers before were now uprooted.
>
> For the laborers, it was their misfortune that their "mothers" and
> "grandmothers" who would be reincarnated as earthworms, not Da Lama's
> own mother and grandmother. =A0 Why? =A0Because, according to the feudal
> theocratic teaching of Tibetan buddhism, the poor are poor because
> that's what they have earned from their prior lives. =A0Their lack of
> good karmic credit has condemned them to a life of re-incarnation
> which ...
>
> read more =BB