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Jim_Higgins
Jun 2, 2012, 9:00:17 AM6/2/12
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On 6/2/12 8:47 AM, Emily wrote:
> Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
> looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
> he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
> No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
> bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
In NYC this "nanny urge" is manifested by the 16oz. Decree.
> Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
> looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
> he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
> No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
> bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
In NYC this "nanny urge" is manifested by the 16oz. Decree.
Gary
Jun 2, 2012, 9:03:58 AM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:47:58 -0400, Emily <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
>looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
>he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
>No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
>bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
Lighters ? Cigarette lighters ? Cigarettes I could understand.
>Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
>looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
>he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
>No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
>bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
But why would they care who buys lighters ?
Alias
Jun 2, 2012, 9:16:13 AM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 2:47 PM, Emily wrote:
> Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
> looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
> he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
> No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
> bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
He thought you were under the age of 18? If so, did you thank him?
> Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
> looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
> he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
> No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
> bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
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Gary
Jun 2, 2012, 9:34:02 AM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:23:45 -0400, Emily <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
>I have no idea. You can light a cigarette, or a joint, or set
>someone's house on fire with a lighter, but you could also light your
>wood stove or fireplace or a candle.
>
>I would think businesses would object to this since it takes more time
>than it should for someone to check out if they have to dig out their
>ID and the clerk has to take the time to look at it.
>
>I suppose there's some surveillance device that enables management to
>make sure the cashiers are following the law to the letter. Otherwise
>he wouldn't have had to ask to see the ID of a 74-year-old who doesn't
>look a day under 70. ;-) But then again, I don't know what the law
>is; perhaps you have to be 65 to buy lighters these days.
I hate to sound totally stupid. But I have not smoked or bought a
cigarette lighter in 25 years.
When you say "lighter" are you referring to a cigarette lighter ? As
in a Zippo or a Bic ? If so --- do they also check your age if you
buy a box of matches ? (Do they still make matches:-) I'm lost.
>someone's house on fire with a lighter, but you could also light your
>wood stove or fireplace or a candle.
>
>I would think businesses would object to this since it takes more time
>than it should for someone to check out if they have to dig out their
>ID and the clerk has to take the time to look at it.
>
>I suppose there's some surveillance device that enables management to
>make sure the cashiers are following the law to the letter. Otherwise
>he wouldn't have had to ask to see the ID of a 74-year-old who doesn't
>look a day under 70. ;-) But then again, I don't know what the law
>is; perhaps you have to be 65 to buy lighters these days.
I hate to sound totally stupid. But I have not smoked or bought a
cigarette lighter in 25 years.
When you say "lighter" are you referring to a cigarette lighter ? As
in a Zippo or a Bic ? If so --- do they also check your age if you
buy a box of matches ? (Do they still make matches:-) I'm lost.
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Snordo
Jun 2, 2012, 10:11:24 AM6/2/12
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"Gary" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
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: On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:23:45 -0400, Emily <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
:
:
: When you say "lighter" are you referring to a cigarette lighter ? As
: in a Zippo or a Bic ? If so --- do they also check your age if you
: buy a box of matches ? (Do they still make matches:-) I'm lost.
:
: buy a box of matches ? (Do they still make matches:-) I'm lost.
you've been lost for decades. totally out of touch in that hillbilly trailer park
don't nobody go an find the varmint either,
YALL HEAR!!!!???
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Earl Evleth
Jun 2, 2012, 10:17:38 AM6/2/12
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On 2/06/12 15:27, in article 6v4ks7hcsbb04g9kt...@4ax.com,
> Which followed the proposal to remove salt from restaurant tables.
> Just how far do these laws go? Would you be arrested if you brought
> your own salt? Would you have to prove that if you bought two 12 oz.
> drinks, one of them was for someone else?
What the French did is odd a tax on sugared carbonated beverages. Not
very much, for instance a 2 liter bottle of Coca-Cola when from maybe
1,90 to 2,00 euros ("taxe sur les sodas sucrés"). French companies
market a lot of such stuff, so it is not an anti-coca-cola tax).
The drinks have no food value and put unneeded sugar into the diet.
On the other hand the tax is not enough to be dissuasive so the
government is being silly. A huge tax might work a bit but the
industry has enough power to get law makers to reject that.
The huge tax and death symbol imagery on the packages has cut
tobacco consumption quite a bit.
"Smoking rates in the United States have dropped by half from 1965 to 2006
falling from 42% to 20.8% of adults."
Nobody smokes in films any more!
> Which followed the proposal to remove salt from restaurant tables.
> Just how far do these laws go? Would you be arrested if you brought
> your own salt? Would you have to prove that if you bought two 12 oz.
> drinks, one of them was for someone else?
What the French did is odd a tax on sugared carbonated beverages. Not
very much, for instance a 2 liter bottle of Coca-Cola when from maybe
1,90 to 2,00 euros ("taxe sur les sodas sucrés"). French companies
market a lot of such stuff, so it is not an anti-coca-cola tax).
The drinks have no food value and put unneeded sugar into the diet.
On the other hand the tax is not enough to be dissuasive so the
government is being silly. A huge tax might work a bit but the
industry has enough power to get law makers to reject that.
The huge tax and death symbol imagery on the packages has cut
tobacco consumption quite a bit.
"Smoking rates in the United States have dropped by half from 1965 to 2006
falling from 42% to 20.8% of adults."
Nobody smokes in films any more!
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Jun 2, 2012, 10:34:50 AM6/2/12
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rumpelstiltskin
Jun 2, 2012, 11:06:53 AM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:47:58 -0400, Emily <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
>looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
>he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
>No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
>bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
Nope. I bought two 5-packs of blast-furnace lighters from
>Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
>looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
>he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
>No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
>bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
Amazon, and found they're refillable, so they'll last me a
while. My refills never seem to get back the 100% vigour of
fresh-out-of-the-pack though. That may be just because my
butane refiller was pretty old, and had been used a bit,
before I bought the lighters. A $1.97 for five, plus about $4
shipping, though, one could treat them as disposable.
This looks like what I bought:
http://tinyurl.com/84fk42p
rumpelstiltskin
Jun 2, 2012, 11:06:53 AM6/2/12
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>I have no idea. You can light a cigarette, or a joint, or set
>someone's house on fire with a lighter, but you could also light your
>wood stove or fireplace or a candle.
I have relit my gas stove pilot lights with a butane lighter,
>someone's house on fire with a lighter, but you could also light your
>wood stove or fireplace or a candle.
but even while I was doing it, I realized it might not be a
good idea. Now I've got religion: I light a shishkebab
stick with the butane lighter, then use the stick to relight
the pilot light.
Earl Evleth
Jun 2, 2012, 11:15:43 AM6/2/12
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On 2/06/12 16:33, in article 5h8ks7d8iui57rjto...@4ax.com,
"Emily" <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
> What death symbol imagery?
French cigarette packages have screaming large print "fumer tue"
Some have images.
Note that the Tobacco companies in Europe did not have the political
influence that those in the USA had.
"Emily" <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
> What death symbol imagery?
French cigarette packages have screaming large print "fumer tue"
Some have images.
Note that the Tobacco companies in Europe did not have the political
influence that those in the USA had.
mg
Jun 2, 2012, 11:17:04 AM6/2/12
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On Jun 2, 6:47 am, Emily <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
> looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
> he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
> No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
> bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
My knee-jerk guess is that it is a store policy and has nothing to do
> Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
> looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
> he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
> No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
> bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
with the law. Perhaps stores are doing it simply because their cash
registers have the technology to do it and they are responding to
parent's complaints or trying to avoid the possibility of being sued,
etc.
Alias
Jun 2, 2012, 11:29:37 AM6/2/12
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person in the morgue, etc. It's given rise to the sale of cigarette
boxes of many different colors and designs. What's really obscene,
though, are the new taxes which has given rise to people buying tobacco
and paper tubes with a machine to roll your own and, naturally, black
market tobacco. My question is why they don't have photos on alcohol but
I guess the politicos drink and they can't have their booze with photos
of passed out people on the street, a cirrhotic liver or someone
vomiting into the toilet.
--
Alias
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rumpelstiltskin
Jun 2, 2012, 1:05:47 PM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:57:03 -0400, Emily <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
>They look interesting, but I am a total failure when it comes to
>refilling butane lighters. I bought one a few months ago and gave up
>on refilling it, then turned it over to my husband and his brother to
>see if they could master it. They managed to use the rest of the
>container of butane, without success. I'm better off with Bics.
These are as cheap or cheaper than Bics (I think, at a dollar
each including shipping). They're much better, IMV, though
of course I'm lighting something other than cigarettes with
them. I do wear a disposable polysomething glove when
refilling them, to avoid getting the butane from getting on my
fingers as I'm filling the lighters. I also kept a sponge
between my gloved fingers and the lighter during the process
the last couple of times, because the butane that doesn't
make it into the lighter socket is icy cold as it runs down
the lighter case and onto my fingers.
As I noted though, you could just treat them as disposable
lighters.
I like Bic better than any other throwaway lighter except
for one thing: the casing is not transparent, so you can't
see how low the fuel is. You can get something of an idea
by looking at the bottom part with the lighter mostly
tilted horizontal, since the bottom part is somewhat
translucent.
>refilling butane lighters. I bought one a few months ago and gave up
>on refilling it, then turned it over to my husband and his brother to
>see if they could master it. They managed to use the rest of the
>container of butane, without success. I'm better off with Bics.
These are as cheap or cheaper than Bics (I think, at a dollar
each including shipping). They're much better, IMV, though
of course I'm lighting something other than cigarettes with
them. I do wear a disposable polysomething glove when
refilling them, to avoid getting the butane from getting on my
fingers as I'm filling the lighters. I also kept a sponge
between my gloved fingers and the lighter during the process
the last couple of times, because the butane that doesn't
make it into the lighter socket is icy cold as it runs down
the lighter case and onto my fingers.
As I noted though, you could just treat them as disposable
lighters.
I like Bic better than any other throwaway lighter except
for one thing: the casing is not transparent, so you can't
see how low the fuel is. You can get something of an idea
by looking at the bottom part with the lighter mostly
tilted horizontal, since the bottom part is somewhat
translucent.
Islander
Jun 2, 2012, 1:17:10 PM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 6:53 AM, Emily wrote:
> It was a package of Bics, five regular size and two baby ones. Yes,
> I'd also call them "cigarette lighters", but the package simply calls
> them "lighters". I have no idea about matches -- can't remember when
> I've seen any. If I see some, maybe I'll buy a pack to see if I have
> to show ID for that too.
>
> We're all lost. Things like this make me realize just how badly.
>
We buy what are called "kitchen matches" for starting the wood-burning
stove. About a year ago they stopped selling strike-anywhere matches.
They were the ones with a white tip on the head of the match and you
could strike them on any surface. The ones that they sell now can only
be struck on the side of the box.
Checking further, it looks like this is probably a store policy rather
than a law although there appears to be an effort to make
strike-anywhere matches illegal.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb9271990.htm
I notice also that there is a website telling how to make your own
strike-anywhere matches.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Strike-anywhere-matches/
Seems like a lot of trouble!
> I'd also call them "cigarette lighters", but the package simply calls
> them "lighters". I have no idea about matches -- can't remember when
> I've seen any. If I see some, maybe I'll buy a pack to see if I have
> to show ID for that too.
>
> We're all lost. Things like this make me realize just how badly.
>
We buy what are called "kitchen matches" for starting the wood-burning
stove. About a year ago they stopped selling strike-anywhere matches.
They were the ones with a white tip on the head of the match and you
could strike them on any surface. The ones that they sell now can only
be struck on the side of the box.
Checking further, it looks like this is probably a store policy rather
than a law although there appears to be an effort to make
strike-anywhere matches illegal.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb9271990.htm
I notice also that there is a website telling how to make your own
strike-anywhere matches.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Strike-anywhere-matches/
Seems like a lot of trouble!
Islander
Jun 2, 2012, 1:20:52 PM6/2/12
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On 6/2/2012 6:27 AM, Emily wrote:
> Bloomberg seems to be leading the charge in this area. They now have
> the death penalty for smoking, don't they?
Hmmm! Black humor? There is a death penalty for smoking, but it is
self-inflicted, IMV.
> Bloomberg seems to be leading the charge in this area. They now have
> the death penalty for smoking, don't they?
Hmmm! Black humor? There is a death penalty for smoking, but it is
self-inflicted, IMV.
Dan C
Jun 2, 2012, 5:51:39 PM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:05:47 -0700, rumpelstiltskin wrote:
> These are as cheap or cheaper than Bics (I think, at a dollar
> each including shipping). They're much better, IMV, though of course
> I'm lighting something other than cigarettes with them.
Damn, you're a doper as well as a pole-smoker?
> These are as cheap or cheaper than Bics (I think, at a dollar
> each including shipping). They're much better, IMV, though of course
> I'm lighting something other than cigarettes with them.
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Jun 3, 2012, 8:35:56 AM6/3/12
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On 6/2/2012 7:47 AM, Emily wrote:
> Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
> looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
> he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
> No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
> bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
Yes, but for household cleaning chemicals like TileX, starting several
> Yesterday, at Target, I bought a package of lighters. The clerk, who
> looked very embarrassed, said he had to see my ID. At first I thought
> he was kidding. He wasn't.
>
> No doubt this is just another insanity perpetrated by the current
> bunch of idiots in Richmond, but it was a surprise to me.
years ago, and spotty, depending on the supermarket. Walmart did, Kroger
didn't.
Take a careful look at the labels on the Bic package. Does it have an
EPA warning someplace that it is illegal to use the product contrary to
its label? Like, TileX had that warning, plus the caution that it be
used only in a well-ventilated area. Presumably, it was an offense to
use it in a "poorly" ventilated area whatever that might be.
Let us know what you find.
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Kevin
Jun 4, 2012, 4:03:46 PM6/4/12
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On 6/3/2012 8:18 AM, Emily wrote:
> It doesn't have the warning about being illegal to use contrary to the
> label, but does have the following, on an orange background:
>
> WARNING
> KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN
> *Ignite lighter away from face and clothing
> *contains flammable gas under pressure
> *never expose to heat above 49�C (120�F) or to prolonged sunlight
> *never puncture or put in fire
> *be sure flame is completely out after each use
> *do not keep lit for more than 30 seconds
> NO LIGHTER IS CHILD-PROOF. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR PROPER ADULT
> SUPERVISION.
>
> Actually, they did have child-proof lighters for a while -- they were
> the only kind available. It surprised me that they went away because
> it so rarely happens that a bad idea doesn't stick around forever.
>
> They're definitely right that there's no substitute for proper adult
> supervision. There's ample evidence of that everywhere.
Those cleaning fluids no longer have the threatening warning from EPA. I
just checked. So, I'm out of date.
I don't know why Target is being ridiculous, maybe it is overkill on
management's part in fear of lawsuits for liability.
I'm supposing that if an adult buys something dangerous, liability
transfers from Target to the customer. Sort of a contract by virtue of
the sale. But if a minor (under the age of valid contract, say under 18)
buys the Bic, the liability remains with Target.
If so, Target is overreacting.
> label, but does have the following, on an orange background:
>
> WARNING
> KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN
> *Ignite lighter away from face and clothing
> *contains flammable gas under pressure
> *never expose to heat above 49�C (120�F) or to prolonged sunlight
> *never puncture or put in fire
> *be sure flame is completely out after each use
> *do not keep lit for more than 30 seconds
> NO LIGHTER IS CHILD-PROOF. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR PROPER ADULT
> SUPERVISION.
>
> Actually, they did have child-proof lighters for a while -- they were
> the only kind available. It surprised me that they went away because
> it so rarely happens that a bad idea doesn't stick around forever.
>
> They're definitely right that there's no substitute for proper adult
> supervision. There's ample evidence of that everywhere.
Those cleaning fluids no longer have the threatening warning from EPA. I
just checked. So, I'm out of date.
I don't know why Target is being ridiculous, maybe it is overkill on
management's part in fear of lawsuits for liability.
I'm supposing that if an adult buys something dangerous, liability
transfers from Target to the customer. Sort of a contract by virtue of
the sale. But if a minor (under the age of valid contract, say under 18)
buys the Bic, the liability remains with Target.
If so, Target is overreacting.
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