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PJ O'D
Jul 1, 2012, 9:20:45 AM7/1/12
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France’s Disastrous Universal Healthcare
"It’s a near-monopoly, where the low amounts paid to doctors per visit
($32 at the office, $38 for house calls) essentially guarantee a
permanent shortage of general practitioners.
France enjoys a reputation of “excellent government-provided
healthcare”. Regular readers of my blog know that reputation is not
justified. For instance, last January 14 French Minister for Health
Roselyne Bachelot confirmed that 10,000 people die every year of
“medical accidents”, and there are an estimated 300,000 to 500,000
“serious undesirable events” i.e., errors per year.
France’s system is plagued with long-term problems. During a heat wave
six years ago 15,000 elderly and frail people died, since the
country’s poorly-prepared hospitals meant those patients never stood a
chance. Many of them died of dehydration in the emergency rooms
waiting for an IV.
Three years later, the country was still not prepared for a similar
heat wave.
Would you call that top notch service?"
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"It’s a near-monopoly, where the low amounts paid to doctors per visit
($32 at the office, $38 for house calls) essentially guarantee a
permanent shortage of general practitioners.
France enjoys a reputation of “excellent government-provided
healthcare”. Regular readers of my blog know that reputation is not
justified. For instance, last January 14 French Minister for Health
Roselyne Bachelot confirmed that 10,000 people die every year of
“medical accidents”, and there are an estimated 300,000 to 500,000
“serious undesirable events” i.e., errors per year.
France’s system is plagued with long-term problems. During a heat wave
six years ago 15,000 elderly and frail people died, since the
country’s poorly-prepared hospitals meant those patients never stood a
chance. Many of them died of dehydration in the emergency rooms
waiting for an IV.
Three years later, the country was still not prepared for a similar
heat wave.
Would you call that top notch service?"
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Bret Cahill
Jul 1, 2012, 11:39:50 AM7/1/12
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The proof is in the pudding.
The French live longer than Americans.
Next question?
Bret Cahill
The French live longer than Americans.
Next question?
Bret Cahill
Ramon F. Herrera
Jul 1, 2012, 11:51:21 AM7/1/12
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Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
first spot, followed by Italy.
The US ended up below Cuba.
-Ramon
---------------------------
"We are honored to welcome the United States of America (finally!!) to
our exclusive club."
-Signed: The Industrialized Countries of the World
Earl Evleth
Jul 1, 2012, 1:12:39 PM7/1/12
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On 1/07/12 17:51, in article
3fbb8784-fae1-40f4...@r3g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Ramon F.
never have so they are not informed.
3fbb8784-fae1-40f4...@r3g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Ramon F.
Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
> first spot, followed by Italy.
I live here and it works very well. The US conservative propagandists
> Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
> first spot, followed by Italy.
never have so they are not informed.
Earl Evleth
Jul 1, 2012, 1:13:01 PM7/1/12
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On 1/07/12 17:39, in article
319532fd-7215-41d1...@2g2000pbv.googlegroups.com, "Bret
Some of us too long
319532fd-7215-41d1...@2g2000pbv.googlegroups.com, "Bret
Some of us too long
PJ O'D
Jul 1, 2012, 1:16:16 PM7/1/12
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Ramon F. Herrera
Jul 1, 2012, 1:27:10 PM7/1/12
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That is a proper comparison.
-Ramon
PJ O'D
Jul 1, 2012, 1:38:35 PM7/1/12
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On Jul 1, 11:51 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
> first spot, followed by Italy.
>
> The US ended up below Cuba.
>
> -Ramon
>
http://tpo.net/cuba/
> Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
> first spot, followed by Italy.
>
> The US ended up below Cuba.
>
> -Ramon
>
Jim_Higgins
Jul 1, 2012, 1:57:11 PM7/1/12
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great American medical benefit-Medical Bankruptcy. Take that!
PJ O'D
Jul 1, 2012, 2:01:10 PM7/1/12
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On Jul 1, 11:51 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
> first spot, followed by Italy.
>
Health™
> Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
> first spot, followed by Italy.
>
Monday, August 30, 2010
Doctors Throw Blows in Delivery Room, Endanger Baby
"The fight over cesareans has gone international...and violent. Two
Italian doctors are being blamed for the botched delivery of a newborn
that have led to complications for both the mother and son, after the
doctors got into a fistfight in the delivery room. Medical mistakes
UFC-style.
According to reports, the mother Laura Salpietro, 30, had to have her
uterus removed and her son, Antonio, suffered heart problems and
possible brain damage following his birth last Thursday in a Messina,
Sicily public hospital. The two doctors, one a state hospital
employee, the other a private doctor hired by Salpietro as a
gynecologist, disagreed on whether the patient should have a C-
section. The disagreement turned to blows.
Sapietro's husband, Matteo Molonia, said the fight delayed the C-
section by over an hour leading to the complications. This has become
a big story in the country, forcing the Italian health minister to
traveled to Sicily on Monday to apologize to the woman.
The fiasco is only one of a number of errors plaguing the southern
Italian region infamous for its high rate of medical mistakes. Not
lost on me is one significant detail of the Italian health system.
Yep, you guessed it--universal health care.
As a result of the entitlement-based system is an explosion of private
doctors available to people that can afford them. I have predicted
the same to happen here in the U.S. if nationalization of our system
continues to grow. People that can afford it will hire private
doctors to get around the inadequacies of government-run hospitals.
Just a conclusion of deductive reasoning, that's all.
What has made this particular situation tragic is that the patient
decided to have her birth in a public hospital with a private doctor
present. Duh! I guess she learned the hard way that doctors can be
territorial, literally and figuratively, and if she has followed
common practice she would have given birth at a private clinic
instead.
This story also highlights the dramatically high C-section rates in
Italy in general, and Sicily specifically. According to reports,
approximately 38% of all births in Italy are done by C-section, more
than twice the 15% recommended by the World Health Organization. In
Sicily rates reach 52%. In other parts of Italy, Campania--the
southern mainland region that includes Naples-- for instance, C-
section rates have reached 60%.
I have said in several posts, this is a major issue. C-section are
way over-prescribed, and experts believe the trend will continue.
Although many reasons for recommending C-section exist, most thinkers
agree it is too high.
So keep your wits about you, America. Don't ignore the inevitable
problems associated with universal health care. It ain't the panacea
it's being sold as. If you can't see the flip side from our friends
in Europe, then you've let your blinders fall too far. My condolences
to the Molonia/Salpietra family--I hope it turns out okay"
Ramon F. Herrera
Jul 1, 2012, 2:05:00 PM7/1/12
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saved it)
No problemo: We just add the UNIVERSAL part and subtract the Auschwitz
part.
-Ramon
Rush luvr
Jul 1, 2012, 3:23:24 PM7/1/12
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Frenchman has a lower standard of living than his 20 million
worshipers living in their single wides in trailer parks and eating
dog food from the can? Health care is socialist, real Americans
don't need no health care.
That's why we're NUMBER 1 and everybody wants to be like us!
The INS says that it has tons of people who are from 3rd world shit
holes or Russian mobsters who want to be Americans. That proves my
point!
Nobody from France moves here because they're afraid of capitalism and
the American way.
Dan C
Jul 1, 2012, 3:37:58 PM7/1/12
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it suits you).
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Jul 1, 2012, 6:05:08 PM7/1/12
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quiet_lad
Jul 1, 2012, 6:40:39 PM7/1/12
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Werner
Jul 1, 2012, 6:40:49 PM7/1/12
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Earl has dual citizenship. He needs that because he thinks he's especially smart. When he croaks the world's IQ curve will be significantly affected for the worse.
quiet_lad
Jul 1, 2012, 6:46:23 PM7/1/12
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quiet_lad
Jul 1, 2012, 6:55:57 PM7/1/12
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BeamMeUpScotty
Jul 1, 2012, 11:42:11 AM7/1/12
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the moon?
BeamMeUpScotty
Jul 1, 2012, 12:35:46 PM7/1/12
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On 7/1/2012 11:51 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
> first spot, followed by Italy.
>
> The US ended up below Cuba.
>
> -Ramon
You spelled Propaganda wrong it's NOT "studies" it is spelled
>
> Studies have been done and the French Health Care system ended in the
> first spot, followed by Italy.
>
> The US ended up below Cuba.
>
> -Ramon
"propaganda"....
Socialists don't spell so good do they?
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Jul 3, 2012, 1:20:35 AM7/3/12
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toilets:racked with poverty/fear/paranoia/irrationality/low
functioning/myths/short life spans/low unionization/huge wealth
imbalances/10 States Dying For Health Insurance
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/health-insurance-death_n_162...
10 States Dying For Health Insurance: 24/7 Wall St. 24/7 WallSt. |
By Alexander E. M. Hess and Samuel Weigley Posted: 06/26/2012 3:37 pm
Updated: 06/26/2012 3:38 pm
24/7 Wall St.: The Supreme Court of the United States is set to rule
this week on the constitutionality of the Patient Protection and
Affordable Care Act. Regardless of how the ruling turns out, the lack
of medical coverage in America is a serious problem. Approximately 50
million people were uninsured all through 2010. The lack of medical
insurance has had grave consequences on individuals and the nation.
In 2010 alone, 26,100 people died because they had no health
insurance — that is 502 preventable deaths a week. However, some
states fared better than others. Based on the latest report by
Families USA, a health care consumer advocacy group, 24/7 Wall St.
identified the 10 states with the highest number of deaths per
100,000 people due to a lack of insurance. Not surprisingly, nearly
all of the states with the most residents dying due to a lack of
insurance also had high numbers of uninsured residents. Seven of the
states on the list were among the 10 states with the highest
percentage of people without health coverage. Seven of the states
were also in the bottom 10 for the lowest rates of private insurance
coverage. People without health insurance often forgo medical
treatment for different reasons. According to Families USA, a
supporter of President Obama’s health care reform law, uninsured
adults are nearly four times more likely than insured adults to delay
or avoid preventive care screening due to cost. Uninsured adults are
also nearly seven times more likely to go without needed care due to
cost than privately insured adults. “You still see a very, very
strong correlation between uninsurance and poor healthcare outcomes —
including mortality — and [that is] because people aren’t getting the
type of care that they need,” Kim Bailey, the research director for
Families USA, told 24/7 Wall St. Many of the states with high death
rates due to a lack of insurance also were among the poorest states
in the country. The top seven states on this list also are among the
10 states with the highest poverty rates. Every state on this list is
in the top half. Poor health also appears to play an important role.
States with high death rates due to lack of insurance had a high
percentage of people with lifestyle-related risk factors for poor
health. Of the states on our list, five of them have among the 10
highest percentages of smokers and among the 10 lowest percentages of
people who eat vegetables at least three times a day. Four have among
the 10 highest proportions of overweight or obese adults. Seven
states on the list were in the bottom 10 in terms of life
expectancy.
Based on Families USA’s report, “Dying for Coverage: The Deadly
Consequences of Being Uninsured,” 24/7 Wall St. identified the 10
states with the highest number of deaths from being uninsured per
100,000 residents. 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the methodology used by
Families USA, first developed in 2002 by the Institute of Medicine,
to determine excess mortality from being uninsured. This method
considers the proportion of people who are insured and uninsured, the
mortality risks for the uninsured and the number of expected deaths
from a hypothetical fully insured population. 24/7 Wall St. also
identified poverty rates and median income by state, provided by the
U.S. Census Bureau. The Kaiser Family Foundation’s website —
Statehealthfacts.org — provided health-related data, including life
expectancy, obesity and diabetes rate.
1. mississippi
2. louisiana
3. arkansas
4. south carolina
5. new mexico
6. florida
7. west virginia
8. oklahoma
9. georgia
10. nevada
Reneguerton
Jul 3, 2012, 7:18:31 AM7/3/12
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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
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Earl Evleth
Jul 3, 2012, 8:05:52 AM7/3/12
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On 2/07/12 0:40, in article
27b1385e-0aeb-4212...@googlegroups.com, "Werner"
my thinking from observations my opinion is informed
27b1385e-0aeb-4212...@googlegroups.com, "Werner"
<whet...@mac.com> wrote:
> Earl has dual citizenship. He needs that because he thinks he's especially
> smart.
Informed is the word. Since I am speaking from experience and development
> Earl has dual citizenship. He needs that because he thinks he's especially
> smart.
my thinking from observations my opinion is informed
Glenn
Jul 3, 2012, 8:22:43 AM7/3/12
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"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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Longstreet informed Lee that he was about to get his ass kicked
but arrogance coming from experience prevented Lee from
bypassing Gettysburg.
--
Don't Dump on Me,
Glenn
news:CC18ACC0.2264AC%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
but arrogance coming from experience prevented Lee from
bypassing Gettysburg.
--
Don't Dump on Me,
Glenn
Earl Evleth
Jul 3, 2012, 10:29:07 AM7/3/12
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On 3/07/12 14:22, in article jsuo6m$94o$1...@dont-email.me, "Glenn"
Oh, yes my experience with French medicine is also base
on the fact that my wife is a medical historian, specializing
in the history of French medicine. We talk about her work
frequently.
And you, Glenn, what is your experience?
<min...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Informed is the word. Since I am speaking from experience and
>> development
>> my thinking from observations my opinion is informed
>>
>
> Longstreet informed Lee that he was about to get his ass kicked
> but arrogance coming from experience prevented Lee from
> bypassing Gettysburg.
A distant non-sequitur at best.
>> Informed is the word. Since I am speaking from experience and
>> development
>> my thinking from observations my opinion is informed
>>
>
> Longstreet informed Lee that he was about to get his ass kicked
> but arrogance coming from experience prevented Lee from
> bypassing Gettysburg.
Oh, yes my experience with French medicine is also base
on the fact that my wife is a medical historian, specializing
in the history of French medicine. We talk about her work
frequently.
And you, Glenn, what is your experience?
Glenn
Jul 3, 2012, 10:43:38 AM7/3/12
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"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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OTOH, spotting arrogance requires little talent. You're just a
logic fallacy and don't know it. There's a better name for
those experienced in one field feeling that qualifies them in
other fields but you're not worth my looking it up.
BeamMeUpScotty
Jul 3, 2012, 10:44:48 AM7/3/12
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was the Last REAL American President until Reagan who was also shot yet
NOT killed.
Someone managed to kill or almost kill the only two real Presidents that
"We The People" have elected in 50 years.
--
*BeamMeUpScotty's Rule*
#36 - Government doesn't create, it consumes what the people create.
Alias
Jul 3, 2012, 11:05:13 AM7/3/12
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On 7/3/2012 4:44 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 7/3/2012 7:18 AM, Reneguerton wrote:
>>
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:4FF06FD...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>> On 7/1/2012 11:39 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>> The proof is in the pudding.
>>>>
>>>> The French live longer than Americans.
>>>>
>>>> Next question?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bret Cahill
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They also don't do anything.... When was the last Frenchman standing on
>>> the moon?
>>
>> Do you mean that since 1969 the Americans have done nothing?
>
>
> Now that you mention it, we have done less and less since 1964, Kennedy
> was the Last REAL American President until Reagan who was also shot yet
> NOT killed.
>
> Someone managed to kill or almost kill the only two real Presidents that
> "We The People" have elected in 50 years.
>
>
>
>
Reagan wasn't elected; he was chosen by the Republican party because he
> On 7/3/2012 7:18 AM, Reneguerton wrote:
>>
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:4FF06FD...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>> On 7/1/2012 11:39 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>> The proof is in the pudding.
>>>>
>>>> The French live longer than Americans.
>>>>
>>>> Next question?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bret Cahill
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They also don't do anything.... When was the last Frenchman standing on
>>> the moon?
>>
>> Do you mean that since 1969 the Americans have done nothing?
>
>
> Now that you mention it, we have done less and less since 1964, Kennedy
> was the Last REAL American President until Reagan who was also shot yet
> NOT killed.
>
> Someone managed to kill or almost kill the only two real Presidents that
> "We The People" have elected in 50 years.
>
>
>
>
would do what he was told to do. He was a bad actor and a worse
President. After all, he started the economic meltdown with his "trickle
down" for the rich economic scheme that was continued by Bush and Bush.
Now Romney wants to go back to letting Wall Street and the bankers
continue to destroy the middle class. It's dupes like you that believe
the lies that pray on your fears and prejudices that elect these
despicable con men repeat over and over again.
--
Alias
Earl Evleth
Jul 3, 2012, 1:09:42 PM7/3/12
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On 3/07/12 16:43, in article jsv0et$p42$1...@dont-email.me, "Glenn"
<min...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Quit a bit, but I don't take orders so you're out of luck. `
avoidance
<min...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Quit a bit, but I don't take orders so you're out of luck. `
avoidance
Glenn
Jul 3, 2012, 1:33:39 PM7/3/12
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"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:CC18F3F6.2264CC%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
for the truth, you seem devoid of prospects. Just another shill
that passes along what he's told without even an interest in
examining it for truth, just feel good politics. Earl, "the
unexamined life is not worth living," Socrates. If you want to
collect seashells, be my guest, but don't pawn data off as
insight, that's southern and that's a swindle.
Jim_Higgins
Jul 3, 2012, 4:22:39 PM7/3/12
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El Castro
Jul 3, 2012, 7:17:23 PM7/3/12
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"Glenn" <min...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:jsuo6m$94o$1...@dont-email.me...
: "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
sorry for themselves
BeamMeUpScotty
Jul 3, 2012, 8:16:10 PM7/3/12
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On 7/3/2012 7:04 PM, China Blue Meanies wrote:
> In article <4FF30560...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
You brought up 1969 and what was accomplished, and I mentioned standing
on the moon. It points out that could do so much more than we already
did, if we could get rid of Socialism.
> In article <4FF30560...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/3/2012 7:18 AM, Reneguerton wrote:
>>>
>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>> message news:4FF06FD...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:39 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>>> The proof is in the pudding.
>>>>>
>>>>> The French live longer than Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next question?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bret Cahill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They also don't do anything.... When was the last Frenchman standing on
>>>> the moon?
>>>
>>> Do you mean that since 1969 the Americans have done nothing?
>>
>>
>> Now that you mention it, we have done less and less since 1964, Kennedy
>> was the Last REAL American President until Reagan who was also shot yet
>> NOT killed.
>>
>> Someone managed to kill or almost kill the only two real Presidents that
>> "We The People" have elected in 50 years.
>
> I guess that proves France has disastrous health care.
>
>> On 7/3/2012 7:18 AM, Reneguerton wrote:
>>>
>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>> message news:4FF06FD...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>> On 7/1/2012 11:39 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>>> The proof is in the pudding.
>>>>>
>>>>> The French live longer than Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next question?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bret Cahill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They also don't do anything.... When was the last Frenchman standing on
>>>> the moon?
>>>
>>> Do you mean that since 1969 the Americans have done nothing?
>>
>>
>> Now that you mention it, we have done less and less since 1964, Kennedy
>> was the Last REAL American President until Reagan who was also shot yet
>> NOT killed.
>>
>> Someone managed to kill or almost kill the only two real Presidents that
>> "We The People" have elected in 50 years.
>
You brought up 1969 and what was accomplished, and I mentioned standing
on the moon. It points out that could do so much more than we already
did, if we could get rid of Socialism.
Message has been deleted
Earl Evleth
Jul 4, 2012, 3:37:08 AM7/4/12
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On 3/07/12 19:33, in article jsvadm$qgk$1...@dont-email.me, "Glenn"
My mother did not think anything about my debate tricks.
She was never aware of any part of my life which involved
debate. Nor did my father.
Your own tricks are evident with that rather dumb statement.
My mother did not think anything about my debate tricks.
She was never aware of any part of my life which involved
debate. Nor did my father.
Your own tricks are evident with that rather dumb statement.
Glenn
Jul 4, 2012, 6:22:01 AM7/4/12
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"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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said you are a dry well. Let's hope the cause is oxygen
deprivation otherwise as Socrates noted, your unexamined life
hasn't been worth living.
Earl Evleth
Jul 4, 2012, 8:36:40 AM7/4/12
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On 4/07/12 12:22, in article jt15gc$5t8$1...@dont-email.me, "Glenn"
Funny guy
but
I am suffering from pulmonary fibrosis, which is a fatal
disease, and one slowly choke to death. Oxygen deprivation
is a daily problem with me and I require oxygen therapy.
Funny guy
but
I am suffering from pulmonary fibrosis, which is a fatal
disease, and one slowly choke to death. Oxygen deprivation
is a daily problem with me and I require oxygen therapy.
Planet Visitor II
Jul 4, 2012, 1:36:49 PM7/4/12
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:39:50 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill <Bret_E...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The proof is in the pudding.
>
>The French live longer than Americans.
>
>Next question?
>
Given the incredibly higher suicide rate in France compared to the U.S. while the U.S. has
>The proof is in the pudding.
>
>The French live longer than Americans.
>
>Next question?
>
little gun control that France has in comparison, one would question whether "living longer"
is actually seen as desirable by many of those living in France rather than the U.S.
Planet Visitor II
>Bret Cahill
>
BeamMeUpScotty
Jul 4, 2012, 2:28:53 PM7/4/12
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El Castor
Jul 4, 2012, 3:47:48 PM7/4/12
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:36:40 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
wrote:
As I heard a character say in a rather depressing movie (The Grey),
"We are all born with a death sentence". Looking at the human
condition from a more scientific perspective, we have evolved from a
soup of sub-atomic particles following the Big Bang into creatures
capable of looking back at the universe and understanding it. We could
be a lump of rock or a cloud of hydrogen gas. Instead we hit the
universal lottery, so may as well enjoy it while we can. Not many
lumps of matter are so privileged. (-8
wrote:
"We are all born with a death sentence". Looking at the human
condition from a more scientific perspective, we have evolved from a
soup of sub-atomic particles following the Big Bang into creatures
capable of looking back at the universe and understanding it. We could
be a lump of rock or a cloud of hydrogen gas. Instead we hit the
universal lottery, so may as well enjoy it while we can. Not many
lumps of matter are so privileged. (-8
Earl Evleth
Jul 4, 2012, 4:23:06 PM7/4/12
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On 4/07/12 19:36, in article umv8v75227o0eb48o...@4ax.com,
respectively 26.4 and 19.0 per 100,000. And 16.2 and 11.8 overall.
Truly incredible are the rates in countries like Lithuania, overall
at 34.
France's rate is in line to other Northern European countries, Switzerland's
is 18.0 overall, Belgium 17.6.
(note to others, PV's historical weakness is in statistics, a true
number idiot)
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@nosuchserver.com> wrote:
> Given the incredibly higher suicide rate in France compared to the U.S.
Hardly incredible, the male suicide rates in France and the US are
> Given the incredibly higher suicide rate in France compared to the U.S.
respectively 26.4 and 19.0 per 100,000. And 16.2 and 11.8 overall.
Truly incredible are the rates in countries like Lithuania, overall
at 34.
France's rate is in line to other Northern European countries, Switzerland's
is 18.0 overall, Belgium 17.6.
(note to others, PV's historical weakness is in statistics, a true
number idiot)
Crayon eater
Jul 4, 2012, 5:46:08 PM7/4/12
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news:CC1A72CA.22688A%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
It's good to see you both on. :) At least you aren't talking about Obama.
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evangelist
Jul 4, 2012, 7:21:43 PM7/4/12
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"Reneguerton" wrote:
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> messagenews:4FF06FD...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
When I go to the moon, I'm gonna laff at all the Frenchies!
For Republicans, the idea of requiring every American to have health
insurance is one of the most abhorrent provisions of the Democrats’
health overhaul bills.
“Congress has never crossed the line between regulating what
people choose to do and ordering them to do it,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch
(R-UT). “The difference between regulating and requiring is liberty.”
But Hatch’s opposition is ironic, or some would say, politically
motivated. The last time Congress debated a health overhaul, when Bill
Clinton was president, Hatch and several other senators who now oppose
the so-called individual mandate actually supported a bill that would
have required it.
In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the
individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. “It was invented
by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a
competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the
time.”
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2010/02/16/health-care-republicans-oppose-their-own-idea/#ixzz1zhOfHbtH
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> messagenews:4FF06FD...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>
> > On 7/1/2012 11:39 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:
> >> The proof is in the pudding.
>
> >> The French live longer than Americans.
>
> >> Next question?
>
> >> Bret Cahill
>
> > They also don't do anything.... When was the last Frenchman standing on
> > the moon?
>
> Do you mean that since 1969 the Americans have done nothing?
Bush was gonna go back to the moon, and let tax cuts pay for it!
> > On 7/1/2012 11:39 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:
> >> The proof is in the pudding.
>
> >> The French live longer than Americans.
>
> >> Next question?
>
> >> Bret Cahill
>
> > They also don't do anything.... When was the last Frenchman standing on
> > the moon?
>
> Do you mean that since 1969 the Americans have done nothing?
When I go to the moon, I'm gonna laff at all the Frenchies!
For Republicans, the idea of requiring every American to have health
insurance is one of the most abhorrent provisions of the Democrats’
health overhaul bills.
“Congress has never crossed the line between regulating what
people choose to do and ordering them to do it,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch
(R-UT). “The difference between regulating and requiring is liberty.”
But Hatch’s opposition is ironic, or some would say, politically
motivated. The last time Congress debated a health overhaul, when Bill
Clinton was president, Hatch and several other senators who now oppose
the so-called individual mandate actually supported a bill that would
have required it.
In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the
individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. “It was invented
by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a
competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the
time.”
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2010/02/16/health-care-republicans-oppose-their-own-idea/#ixzz1zhOfHbtH
Planet Visitor II
Jul 4, 2012, 11:47:28 PM7/4/12
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:23:06 +0200, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>On 4/07/12 19:36, in article umv8v75227o0eb48o...@4ax.com,
>"Planet Visitor II" <na...@nosuchserver.com> wrote:
>
>> Given the incredibly higher suicide rate in France compared to the U.S.
>
>
>Hardly incredible, the male suicide rates in France and the US are
>respectively 26.4 and 19.0 per 100,000. And 16.2 and 11.8 overall.
>
>Truly incredible are the rates in countries like Lithuania, overall
>at 34.
>
>France's rate is in line to other Northern European countries, Switzerland's
>is 18.0 overall, Belgium 17.6.
>
It seems that every European country suffers from extreme dissatisfaction with
>On 4/07/12 19:36, in article umv8v75227o0eb48o...@4ax.com,
>"Planet Visitor II" <na...@nosuchserver.com> wrote:
>
>> Given the incredibly higher suicide rate in France compared to the U.S.
>
>
>Hardly incredible, the male suicide rates in France and the US are
>respectively 26.4 and 19.0 per 100,000. And 16.2 and 11.8 overall.
>
>Truly incredible are the rates in countries like Lithuania, overall
>at 34.
>
>France's rate is in line to other Northern European countries, Switzerland's
>is 18.0 overall, Belgium 17.6.
>
their lives compared to the U.S.
>(note to others, PV's historical weakness is in statistics, a true
>number idiot)
What does Lithuania have to do with France? Or my comment? You
offer statistics which PROVE my point and then claim MY "weakness" is
statistics. Your "weakness" is apparently in the process of "thinking
things through clearly."
Clearly the word "incredible" is subjective, and I find the statistics that
show the greater suicide rate in France compared to the U.S. "incredible,"
considering that in 2008 firearms were responsible for 18,223 suicides in
the U.S., out of a total of 36,035. See --
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_10.pdf
Which is more than half of all suicides in the U.S. Are you claiming that half
of all suicides in France are from the use of firearms? If one takes out
firearms as a source of suicide in the U.S. the overall rate is cut in half.
What about France? If you take out firearms as a source of suicide in France
will the overall suicide rate be cut in half??? Ha ha ha... lots of luck with that.
Because the FACTS are that in 2007 there were 10,122 total suicides in France
and only 1,406 were suicides by firearms. Cogitate on that for a moment,
Earl. More than half of all suicides in the U.S. were by firearms... easily
accessible. While only 14% of all suicides in France were by firearms...
not so easily accessible.
The point could be made that 1) if France had the same easy access to firearms
as the U.S. there would have been 36% more suicides in France, while 2) if the
U.S. had the same degree of difficulty in obtaining firearms as in France, the
U.S. suicide rate would have decreased by 36%.
This is proven statistically and categorically by examining the suicides rates of those
TWO COUNTRIES, without muddying the waters by introducing any other phony
statistic meant only to avoid the POINT I am making. I'm quite willing to admit
that Lithuanians are probably much more depressed with life than even the French.
However, that has NOTHING to do with the POINT I am arguing. Stick to the point.
Since the original argument was "The French live longer than Americans." Which
you have now conveniently clipped out. Something you do quite often. That
original comment had NOTHING to do with "Lithuanians," nor "little green men."
My point is and has always been that the French are MORE DEPRESSED with life
in France than Americans are with life in the U.S. Couple that with the fact that it
is more difficult to conclude a suicide without the use of a firearm, and quite easy
to conclude a suicide if a firearm is readily available. It is not that difficult to posit that
those intent upon committing suicide will follow through on a statistical curve that
follows the easiest path to suicide. So without the easy access to a firearm, the
very difficulty in determining "how to" commit suicide can act as an impediment
to following through, and perhaps serve to change one's mind. At least in some
small number of cases.
You also neglected to mention "age." Perhaps because the suicide rate for
males over 75 is an ASTONISHING SIXTY-EIGHT per 100,000. Males certainly
do not like getting old in France. Apparently they are shoved aside as not
very important at that late stage in their life. While in the U.S. the latest
statistics for suicides by males over 65 is only 14.78 per/100,000 in 2009. See --
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/suicide/statistics/trends02.html
Even in the prime of life, at age 45-54, the suicide rate for males in France is 39.9
per 100,000. See --
http://www.who.int/mental_health/media/fran.pdf
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
Jul 5, 2012, 2:45:34 AM7/5/12
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On 5/07/12 5:47, in article s5v9v7phvkiqblgr4...@4ax.com,
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@nosuchserver.com> wrote:
> (note to others, PV's historical weakness is in statistics, a true
>> number idiot)
>
> My, my...
gotcha
> (note to others, PV's historical weakness is in statistics, a true
>> number idiot)
>
> My, my...
Planet Visitor II
Jul 11, 2012, 8:28:26 PM7/11/12
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option other than to clip everything and offer one word of nonsense in response."
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
Jul 12, 2012, 3:34:37 AM7/12/12
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On 12/07/12 2:28, in article jc6sv7de78spqq2tg...@4ax.com,
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@nosuchserver.com> wrote:
>> gotcha
>
> TRANSLATION: "PV's scorching destruction of my entire argument leaves me no
> option other than to clip everything and offer one word of nonsense in
> response."
translation error on you part, "gotcha" explains everything.
>> gotcha
>
> TRANSLATION: "PV's scorching destruction of my entire argument leaves me no
> option other than to clip everything and offer one word of nonsense in
> response."
Crayon eater
Jul 12, 2012, 3:55:49 AM7/12/12
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deconstructing Crayon Eater
Jul 12, 2012, 8:18:44 PM7/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:55:49 +0100, "Crayon eater" <mard...@ard.com> prayed before his
personal statue of Hitler and then laughing insanely scribbled incoherently:
>Be honest, my intellectual superior. you are here for the shouting :)
You've been chewing on a few too many crayons, shit-for-brains.
deconstructing Crayon Eater (the fucking lunatic)
personal statue of Hitler and then laughing insanely scribbled incoherently:
You've been chewing on a few too many crayons, shit-for-brains.
deconstructing Crayon Eater (the fucking lunatic)
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