'Obama urges public to demand healthcare reform'.
vict0r
The president, speaking at a town hall meeting in Virginia, says only public
pressure can trump lobbyists' influence on legislators in the healthcare
debate.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/02/nation/na-obama-health2
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I'm not sure I understand this. Why is Obama urging the public to demand
health care reform.
Weren't they already demanding it?
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WASHINGTON - The drug industry has authorized its lobbyists to spend as much
as $150 million on television commercials supporting President Obama's
health care overhaul, beginning over the August Congressional recess, people
briefed on the plans said Saturday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/health/policy/09lobby.html?_r=2
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Is this the lobbyist influence we should be opposing?
Anlatt the Builder
> 'Obama urges public to demand healthcare reform'
>
> The president, speaking at a town hall meeting in Virginia, says only public
> pressure can trump lobbyists' influence on legislators in the healthcare
> debate.
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/02/nation/na-obama-health2
>
> ---
>
> I'm not sure I understand this. Why is Obama urging the public to demand
> health care reform.
>
> Weren't they already demanding it?
>
>
He's encouraging them to make themselves heard over the loud,
ceaseless, endlessly outraged ranting of the Fox-driven minority.
vict0r
Here's where they made themselves heard (poll not done by Fox)
21. Are you generally satisfied or dissatisfied with the quality of the
health care you receive? Would you say you are very
(satisfied/dissatisfied) or somewhat (satisfied/dissatisfied)?
Very Somewhat Somewhat Very
satisfied satisfied dissatisfied dissatisfied DK/NA
41 37 10 8 4
78% are either Very satisfied or somewhat satisfied with their health care.
Wayne
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On Nov 24, 5:06 pm, "vict0r" <l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
> 'Obama urges public to demand healthcare reform'
>
> The president, speaking at a town hall meeting in Virginia, says only
> public
> pressure can trump lobbyists' influence on legislators in the healthcare
> debate.
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/02/nation/na-obama-health2
>
> ---
>
> I'm not sure I understand this. Why is Obama urging the public to demand
> health care reform.
>
> Weren't they already demanding it?
>
>
<He's encouraging them to make themselves heard over the loud,
<ceaseless, endlessly outraged ranting of the Fox-driven minority.
There is a disconnect between what Obama is asking for, and what he wants.
The public does indeed want healthcare reforms, just not the fucked up
system that Obama is pushing.
Anlatt the Builder
You know what? I am between "Somehat Satisfied" and "Very Satisfied"
with my current health care.
And I am fully in favor of health care reform, including a public
option.
Why? Because I am concerned about my neighbors who don't have health
care. (I always thought this was considered a Christian viewpoint, but
apparently I'm wrong. When it comes to politics, Christians in this
country pour their millions of dollars into making sure gays don't get
equal rights, not into making sure that the poor get heath care.)
I think it is good for the country - good for America's security - if
every citizen has adequate health care.
I'm also concerned about the day that might come - as it has already
come for too many Americans - when I might LOSE the health care I am
currently satisfied with, and have nowhere to turn.
And I'm aware of the fact that countries with more givernment
involvement in health care than ours really AREN'T the terrifying
snake pits that the right-wing makes them out to be, with death panels
and the like. Those countries have their problems - just like we do -
but on the whole they pay less for health care than we do and have
better outcomes.
So you're poll doesn't mean anything like you think it does. People
can be satisfied with their current health care (emphasis on THEIR,
and on CURRENT), and still think we need reform.
Because not everybody thinks only about themselves. And because people
are aware that their current circumstances can change.
liberal
> "vict0r" <l...@oocom.netb> wrote:
> >'Obama urges public to demand healthcare reform'
>
I demand we draft you for a couple of tours in Afghanistan.
Plus, tell us why private health insurance is superior to a national
health service.
vict0r
Because the United States Government, not the people, but the Government has
proven time and time again that it can not do anything without overspending,
hyperpoliticizing, and creating huge bloated beauracracies.
In our current private pay system, too many components are missing (such as
competition and price transparency) for it to benefit from forces that would
normally drive down price in any other market based industry. People don't
shop around for the best value in routine health care because they have
relatively low deductable insurance, they just want "the best".
--
In 1965, Medicare was predicted to cost $26 billion by the year 2003; the
actual cost that year was $245 billion. Medicare's unfunded liability
currently hovers around $40 trillion.
Daniel
Newsflash dipshit, the MAJORITY don't want what nobama is selling.