Audience members at a Republican debate once again cheered for death,

[chatnoir]

http://www.businessinsider.com/party-of-death-gop-cheers-for-death-of-sick-people-2011-9


NOT AGAIN! Audience At GOP Debate Cheers For Death
Zeke Miller | Sep. 12, 2011, 10:20 PM

Audience members at a Republican debate once again cheered for death,

After going crazy for Texas Gov. Rick Perry's record overseeing 234
executions in Texas last week, the audience at the CNN Tea Party
debate Monday night shouted "yes," when moderator Wolf Blitzer asked
Rep. Ron Paul if a sick person without insurance should be allowed to
die.

After the jeering subsided, Paul said in his medical career he has
never seen someone denied needed medical treatment — consistent with
his philosophy that local communities, not government should support
those needing help.

Here's the shocking video, via TPM:

(((VIDEO)))

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/party-of-death-gop-cheers-for-death-of-sick-people-2011-9#ixzz1XqrsyBAy

[Jerry Okamura]

Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of ourselves?

"chatnoir" wrote in message
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[An independent old cuss]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of
> ourselves?
>

There used to be a fellow named Jim Kennemur living in Houston, Texas.
He was a pitiful cowardly fellow and a giveaway artist first class. I
think he was a school teacher that got fired for playing with little
boys. This Chatnoir fellow reminds me of him.
--
All men are created equal. And the Democrats are
hell bent on keeping them that way!

An independent old cuss,
Randian born, Randian raised
and Randian to the core!

[Rita]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:28:45 -1000, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of ourselves?

Are you still receiving SS benefits and still signed in with Medicare?

By the way, in your doomsday plan you are working on what provisions
have you made to treat yourself for any medical problems that arise
since you say you will be totally self-sufficient?

[chatnoir]

On Sep 13, 11:48 am, "An independent old cuss" <c...@exitin.org>
wrote:
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

>
> news:ipMbq.13838$9w....@newsfe18.iad...
>
> > Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of
> > ourselves?
>
> There used to be a fellow named Jim Kennemur living in Houston, Texas.
> He was a pitiful cowardly fellow and a giveaway artist first class. I
> think he was a school teacher that got fired for playing with little
> boys. This Chatnoir fellow reminds me of him.
> --

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[chatnoir]

On Sep 13, 11:28 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com>
wrote:

> Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of ourselves?

In a coma?????????????

>
> "chatnoir"  wrote in message
>
> news:7c062df2-0651-45e5...@j19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>

> http://www.businessinsider.com/party-of-death-gop-cheers-for-death-of...

>
> NOT AGAIN! Audience At GOP Debate Cheers For Death
> Zeke Miller | Sep. 12, 2011, 10:20 PM
>
> Audience members at a Republican debate once again cheered for death,
>
> After going crazy for Texas Gov. Rick Perry's record overseeing 234
> executions in Texas last week, the audience at the CNN Tea Party
> debate Monday night shouted "yes," when moderator Wolf Blitzer asked
> Rep. Ron Paul if a sick person without insurance should be allowed to
> die.
>
> After the jeering subsided, Paul said in his medical career he has
> never seen someone denied needed medical treatment consistent with
> his philosophy that local communities, not government should support
> those needing help.
>
> Here's the shocking video, via TPM:
>
> (((VIDEO)))
>

> Read more:http://www.businessinsider.com/party-of-death-gop-cheers-for-death-of...

[An independent old cuss]

"chatnoir" <wolfb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Must have hit a nerve, huh?

[chatnoir]

On Sep 13, 1:41 pm, "An independent old cuss" <c...@exitin.org> wrote:
> "chatnoir" <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

Just noting the truth!

[Jerry Okamura]

"chatnoir" wrote in message
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On Sep 13, 11:28 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com>
wrote:
> Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of
> ourselves?

In a coma?????????????

Relevance??????

[Jerry Okamura]

"Rita" wrote in message news:td6v67dgfcsc5nl4r...@4ax.com...

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:28:45 -1000, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of ourselves?

Are you still receiving SS benefits and still signed in with Medicare?

By the way, in your doomsday plan you are working on what provisions
have you made to treat yourself for any medical problems that arise
since you say you will be totally self-sufficient?

Still playing the blame game, because you really do not want to address the
core question?

[Lawrence T. Akutagawa]

"Jerry Okamura" wrote in message news:PM4cq.14615$9w....@newsfe18.iad...

*************

I thought that Rita did, when in response to your question

"Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of
ourselves?"

she asked

"Are you still receiving SS benefits and still signed in with Medicare?"

In doing so, she is but only pointing out to your hypocrisy in asking these
questions about depending on oneself when you yourself still participate in
Social Security and Medicare. Now write those letters to the respective
agencies dropping out of those programs upon which you depend and when you
are indeed no longer a participant then your question has the legitimacy
that currently does not.

In other words, Jerry, this "do as I say and not as I do" bit of yours is
rather transparent and not at all credible. Try switching to "do as I say
and as I do."

[chatnoir]

The person was suppose to be in a Coma. How can he take care of
himself - OMG!

[El Castor]

The cheer was in support of personal responsibility in an age in which
the nanny state is being stuffed down our throats. And he could have
taken care of himself in that coma by taking responsibility for
himself when he was not in a coma by obtaining insurance. And are we
forgetting the ever present Medicaid? I realize that personal
responsibility is a foreign concept to you, but you might want to read
up on it sometime.

[Jerry Okamura]

"chatnoir" wrote in message
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By, anticipating that might happen, and have a plan of action, should that
happen?????

[mg]

That son of a bitch, Ron Paul, dodged the question.

[Rita]

He did indeed, and in a very dishonest manner, by conjuring up a
golden age in the U.S. in the past when churches and charities
unfailingly took care of sick people who couldn't afford medical
care.

[Thumper]

When was that?
Thumper

[Rita]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:30:59 -0400, Thumper <jayl...@comcast.net>

He says that was the case in the days before Medicare and
Medicaid.

[Thumper]

He should realize that we can remember those days.
Thumper

[Evelyn]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:52:01 -0400, Thumper <jayl...@comcast.net>

The life expectancy in those days should tell the real tale. It was a
lot lower.

Evelyn

[mg]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:14:08 -0700, Rita <rtk...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've been answering that question at least going back to the late 60
or early 70s and they usually just shrug it off with the answer that
charity will take care of them.

For Republicans in the know, though, what they really want is to
bankrupt the person first, and then humiliate him by putting him on a
welfare program and then give him substantard care, and as the
ultimate kicker, arrange the tax code so that the middle class, or
wage earners, pay for it anyway.

[Earl Evleth]

On Sep 13, 7:28 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of ourselves?
>

With health it is insurance which cares for some of our health needs.


That could be in any of a variety of forms, in France it is a national
coverage which does that, administered by the government. It
is self-financed but supported by tax contributions including
a tax on capital gains and investment income. Since government
is "us" you question deserves a "yes" and one does not
differentiates between the government and us.

[Jerry Okamura]

"Earl Evleth" wrote in message
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On Sep 13, 7:28 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Should the government take care of us, or should we take care of
> ourselves?
>
With health it is insurance which cares for some of our health needs.

Should government "force" people to buy and pay for health insurance, or
should that be left for the "people" to decide if they want to spend the
money on health insurance?

That could be in any of a variety of forms, in France it is a national
coverage which does that, administered by the government. It
is self-financed but supported by tax contributions including
a tax on capital gains and investment income. Since government
is "us" you question deserves a "yes" and one does not
differentiates between the government and us.

Since the program has been in force, how much money is the government of
France spending, year by year? As a percentage of total government spending
vs. say the countries GDP, has the percentage increased or decreased? What
has been the cost trend, per resident of France?