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marobe

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Sep 29, 2007, 12:56:48 AM9/29/07
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US Military in Iraq Reports Success Against Terrorists
By Alex Villareal
Washington
28 September 2007

A U.S. military commander in Iraq says coalition forces have
crippled the core leadership group of al-Qaida in Iraq in a
series of raids over the past few months. VOA's Alex
Villarreal reports from Washington.

Chief of staff of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, Brigadier
General Joseph Anderson, said a U.S. airstrike earlier this
week killed senior foreign terrorist Abu Usama al-Tunisi, who
he called one of the most important leaders within al-Qaida in
Iraq.

Speaking to reporters in Washington via videoconference from
Baghdad, the general said the elimination of Tunisi
demonstrates the force's success in isolating and destroying
al-Qaida cells.

"This is a dangerous terrorist who is no longer a part of
al-Qaida in Iraq. His death deals a significant blow to their
operation," he said.

General Anderson says Tunisi operated in the town of Yusufiyah
south of Baghdad, where he oversaw the movement of foreign
terrorists into Iraq, equipped them with bombs and helped them
merge with terrorist cells. He described the Tunisian national
as a close associate and likely successor to al-Qaida in
Iraq's overall leader, Egyptian national, Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

General Anderson said U.S. forces plan to strip al-Qaida in
Iraq of its power by decapitating its foreign leadership.

"Will the AQI network in Iraq have the mobility, the power,
the capability to conduct the attacks they've been conducting
at the same levels with the leadership being severed? I think
the answer is no," he added. "I don't think the Iraqis will
fill in those roles without the foreign influence coming in."

Tunisi's death near the city of Musayyib followed a series of
raids that captured several of his associates.

General Anderson said foreign terrorists commit most high
profile attacks in Iraq, including 80 percent of suicide bombings.

Until recently, the commander said between 60 and 80 foreign
terrorists were entering Iraq each month. He said border
security efforts have cut that number in half.

The Democrats' nightmare it about to come true: we ARE winning
in Iraq and they know it. I haven't watched every Democratic
debate that’s gone on (can you blame me?) but I think it
speaks volumes that just a few short months ago the Democratic
candidates were tripping over themselves arguing about who
could pull the troops out the fastest. "If Bush doesn't end
this war, if I'm elected President I will." (Clinton) Now, the
major contenders can't even commit to having all troops out by
the end of their presidential term. That "private advice"
Bush has been giving the Democrats probably went something
like this: we're on the brink of victory in Iraq and by
November 2008 that will be quite evident, so by promising to
pull the troops the moment you're elected will clearly mean
the blood will be on your hands when Iraq gets taken over by
terrorists. It may be "Bush's war" but it will be YOUR defeat.


<G>

chatnoir

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Sep 29, 2007, 7:57:42 AM9/29/07
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On Sep 28, 10:56 pm, marobe <mar...@edotil.com> wrote:
> US Military in Iraq Reports Success Against Terrorists
> By Alex Villareal
> Washington
> 28 September 2007
>
> A U.S. military commander in Iraq says coalition forces have
> crippled the core leadership group of al-Qaida in Iraq in a
> series of raids over the past few months. VOA's Alex
> Villarreal reports from Washington.
>
> Chief of staff of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, Brigadier
> General Joseph Anderson, said a U.S. airstrike earlier this
> week killed senior foreign terrorist Abu Usama al-Tunisi, who
> he called one of the most important leaders within al-Qaida in
> Iraq.
>

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/28/al-tunisi-death/

Military Reports It Has Killed A Senior Leader of Al Qaeda In Iraq,
But Was He Killed A Year Ago?
The U.S. military announced today that it has killed a "senior leader
of al Qaeda in Iraq." Brig. Gen. Joseph Anderson "identified the man
as Abu Usama al-Tunisi, a Tunisian described as a close associate and
likely successor to Abu Ayyub al-Masri, Al-Qaeda in Iraq's Egyptian
leader."

CNN quickly jumped on the story, reporting that al-Tunisi was "killed
Tuesday south of Baghdad." CNN's Jamie McIntyre reported:

[The military was] able to zero in on this al Qaeda leader in a series
of operations that began in early September, and it's really a
textbook of how the U.S. military is operating. Each operation, they
capture somebody who's a little bit closer to the guy they're looking
for.

CNN said the death was confirmed by a hand-written note from al-Tunisi
that was found in the aftermath of an airstrike "in which he says he's
surrounded and desperate for help." "The main thing here," McIntyre
reported, "is the U.S. military insists this was a dangerous
terrorist" and it deals "a serious blow" to the al Qaeda leadership.
Watch it:


But terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann issued a "global terror alert"
last year stating that al-Tunisi had died in July 2006. Kohlman's
report quotes a release from a terrorist group:

"The martyrdom of Abu Usama al-Tunisi [from Tunisia], the commander of
[Al-Qaida's] Aeisha Brigade [tasked with air defense missions]... I
announce the news to the Islamic nation regarding the martyrdom of one
of its heroes and true men."

While it's possible that there could have been two different Abu Usama
al-Tunisis, it is the responsibility of news organizations to resolve
these kinds of questions and double-check the facts before reporting
them.

Moreover, there is reason for skepticism. In July, the U.S. command in
Baghdad "ballyhooed the killing of a key al Qaeda leader but later
admitted that the military had declared him dead a year ago." Also in
July, the military announced the capture of a "top leader of al Qaeda
in Iraq" who had been captured weeks ago.

PJ O'Donovan

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Sep 29, 2007, 9:08:02 AM9/29/07
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By Alex Villareal
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28 September 2007

marobe>>

<...there is reason for skepticism....

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Al E. Gator

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Sep 29, 2007, 9:55:20 PM9/29/07
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"marobe" <mar...@edotil.com> wrote in message
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> US Military in Iraq Reports Success Against Terrorists
> By Alex Villareal
> Washington
> 28 September 2007
you're a lying bitch just like the rest of that hillbilly scum aren't you

the war is LOST

you can not win a war with a hillbilly led and infested military

suck it up


Jerry Okamura

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Sep 30, 2007, 2:18:16 PM9/30/07
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"Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote in message
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>
> "marobe" <mar...@edotil.com> wrote in message
> news:62789$46fddb23$4cb9e615$28...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
>> US Military in Iraq Reports Success Against Terrorists
>> By Alex Villareal
>> Washington
>> 28 September 2007
> you're a lying bitch just like the rest of that hillbilly scum aren't you
>
> the war is LOST
>
The war is only LOST, when you give up.

El Castor

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Sep 30, 2007, 7:44:22 PM9/30/07
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Jerry, I'm sure you've heard the expression "Pyrrhic Victory". Here is
the origin of the term.

"A Pyrrhic victory is a victory with devastating cost to the victor.
The phrase is an allusion to King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army
suffered irreplaceable casualties when he defeated the Romans during
the Pyrrhic War at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC. After the
latter battle, Plutarch relates in a report by Dionysius:
“ The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one
that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would
utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he
brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal
commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found
the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a
fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was
quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating
in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger
gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war. [1] ”

In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans lost more men than Pyrrhus
did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to
draw soldiers, so their losses did less damage to their war effort
than Pyrrhus's losses did to his."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

I wouldn't claim there is an exact parallel to what we are doing in
Iraq, but there do seem to be some similarities.

Since you are dedicated to winning, I'm curious what your
recommendation to the Emperor would have been after the bomb was
dropped on Nagasaki?

Jeff

Jerry Okamura

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Sep 30, 2007, 8:57:43 PM9/30/07
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"El Castor" <No_...@Here.Com> wrote in message
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Nothing Japan could have done, would have given them victory. It is not the
same thing. The only way we will not achieve success in Iraq, is by giving
up on Iraq. We will only be "defeated" in Iraq, is by giving up, because the
nothing the insurgency does can defeat us.

Al E. Gator

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"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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the war was LOST when a hillbilly was put in charge,

Jerry Okamura

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"Al E. Gator" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote in message
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You are referring to how Johnson conducted the Vietnam war?

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