John Harrison Art question?
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artists--Waignright ?--its a horse with a two wheel country cart on an
arched stone bridge.
The artist supposedly painted the painting about twelve times over a
three year period before he was satisfied he had done his best;while he
was taking care of his sick wife in a warm climate beach area.
This painting is equal to Rembrandt's Blue Boy--Better than the Mona
Lisa-Better than anything Van Gogh ever painted.
Why hasnt the British shown the world how great an artist they have in
their cultural history? He didnt paint a nobleman?Do your artists in
Britain have the same problems I am having in America?
Melvin Fullerton Creative Artist West Virginia University Creative Art
Center.
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Before you buy.
I.M. Erdoes
never painted Blue Boy.
As for what is better than van Gogh or any other painter - that is
clearly a question of taste and where do you stop comparing - Roman
art. gothic, renaissance, rococo, modern,
oriental art?
IME
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Mom...@webtv.net (I.M. Erdoes) wrote:
Mel wrote:First lets get one thing straight.I am not an architect-
engineer-historian .It makes no difference to me who painted Blue BOy.
If you knew why did you say who painted it or looked it up?
As a Creative artist all I am interested in is B E A U T Y !!!
That British artist's painting if put with the paintings I mentioned
will do exactly what I said it will do!!
As I said before educated college people are too damn busy trying to
be artistically educated--which they aint-as you just proved with
your ridiculous nitpicking pseudo intellectualist arty post to
ever see the beauty of any work of art.THat is why our museums that you
and yours run are cluttered up with trashy non talented art.
What we want is A M E R I C A N A R T that is beautiful and shows
artistic talent-not the filthy talentless elephant shit on the Virgin
Mary or Junk Art from Europe!!Or faked Egyptian pottery made in Mexico
for $10 million tax dollars in the Boston Museum of ART.
Melvin Fullerton Creative Artist West Virginia University Creative Art
Center.>
To the best of my knowledge Rembrandt
> never painted Blue Boy.
> As fr what is better than van Gogh or any other painter - that is
> clearly a question of taste and where do you stop comparing - Roman
> art. gothic, renaissance, rococo, modern,
> oriental art?
> IME
>
>
John Harrison
There are so many accomplished craftsman. 'True' artists break new ground
and that is very difficult to do in paint.
The impressionists were very different in their time; Picasso likewise. All
were initially criticised, mocked even.
You are an artist if you say you are, and if the art establishment agrees.
Joe Public (that's me) catch on a bit later. Maybe.
The bookies currently have Tracey's bed as the next winner of the Turner
Prize. If you think the elephant dung reaction was big, you wait until the
Brooklynn want to show it! If they ever do. The reactionary right are going
to go stratospheric. This is going to be fun!!!
It is literally her bed. Crumpled, unmade, skid marks on the sheet, and
surrounded by all the detritus; contraceptives, half empty face lotions,
over-flowing ashtrays, god knows what.
Bed is a very important place. We are born there, make love there, spend a
large part of our lives there and possibly die there, too. It is also VERY
personal.
They tell me that her work makes you look at your own bed very differently -
re-appraise it, re-evaluate. So you don't necessarily go into auto-shame if
it is unmade or a bit scruffy.
The main point to note is that nobody else ever thought of showing their own
very lived-in bed as a work of art.
I went up to the Tate to see Chris Ofili's work. I won't be going up for
this, but I'm just Joe Schmoe.
Wishing you well
JH
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Ron Kelley
<john-h...@beeb.net> wrote:
>
>The bookies currently have Tracey's bed as the next winner of the Turner
>Prize. If you think the elephant dung reaction was big, you wait until the
>Brooklynn want to show it! If they ever do. The reactionary right are going
>to go stratospheric. This is going to be fun!!!
Then it isn't even trying to be art, is it? If it is only trying to
evoke rage among the reactionary right, it is only a "troll" in the
supposed art world.
>They tell me that her work makes you look at your own bed very differently -
>re-appraise it, re-evaluate. So you don't necessarily go into auto-shame if
>it is unmade or a bit scruffy.
Nothing any artist does is going to make me re-appraise or re-evaluate
my bed. People who think they are that important should get a life.
>
>The main point to note is that nobody else ever thought of showing their own
>very lived-in bed as a work of art.
Possibly because everyone else realizes a "very lived in bed" is not a
work of art. It is only a "very lived in bed". There are probably
hundreds of thousands of them all over the world.
Ron Kelley
os...@my-deja.com
I paint art people can enjoy with talent and hard work at great personal
expense for 25 years and the 'elite cultural illiterates'who run the
art world tell me to drop dead.
Some joker puts elephant shit on a non talented painting of the Virgin
Mary/puts her too lazy to make bed before those same 'elites'--yessir!!
now we will exhibit you !!That's what WE call art!!Tax payers pick up
the TAB!!Even a stupid fence in one of our major cities at tax payers
expense!!Not even for a WW11--one of 150,000 overseas regular army
soldiers--Dav VFW AMER.Leg.
Melvin Fullerton Creative Art Center West Virginia University Creative
Art Center.
John Harrison
> Ron Kelley <ronkelley...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:14:44 -0000, "John Harrison"
> > <john-h...@beeb.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >The bookies currently have Tracey's bed as the next winner of the
> Turner
> > >Prize. If you think the elephant dung reaction was big, you wait
> until the
> > >Brooklynn want to show it! If they ever do. The reactionary right
> are going
> > >to go stratospheric. This is going to be fun!!!
> >
> > Then it isn't even trying to be art, is it? If it is only trying to
> > evoke rage among the reactionary right, it is only a "troll" in the
> > supposed art world.
I agree. If its ONLY purpose is to evoke rage then it is a troll. I cannot
*know* what their motives are. But an intermediate intent would be 'to
stimulate interest through controversy' - i.e. to get people discussing Art.
In this they have succeeded, albeit modestly.
> >
> > >They tell me that her work makes you look at your own bed very
> differently -
> > >re-appraise it, re-evaluate. So you don't necessarily go into auto-
> shame if
> > >it is unmade or a bit scruffy.
> >
> > Nothing any artist does is going to make me re-appraise or re-evaluate
> > my bed.
Why not? What is so terrible about that? It seems completely innocuous to
me. Pointless possibly. Innocuous certainly.
I am watching the results with mild interest - mainly to see if the Saatchis
brothers will buy the bed; and if so - how much they will pay.
>People who think they are that important should get a life.
I assume all artists are ego-maniacs. But that goes for contributors to
newsgroups as well!
> > >
> > >The main point to note is that nobody else ever thought of showing
> their own
> > >very lived-in bed as a work of art.
> >
> > Possibly because everyone else realizes a "very lived in bed" is not a
> > work of art. <snip> > > Ron Kelley
Bollocks! They just didn't think of it. They simply hadn't 'realised'
anything at all. Just as no one had *thought* of impressionism or cubism, or
any of the other 'schools' until an artist did. It seems to me that artists
don't so much 'think' of things as to 'see'. They then help others to 'see';
which is why I am interested to see if the Saatchis(advertising gurus) will
part with cash over this one. My bet is not. But then I bet it won't win the
prize - the commitee are just letting everyone think it might :-)
The bookies will do well out of this one.
The prize is worth about $125,000. But its prestige value is immeasurably
higher.
JH
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> >
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os...@my-deja.com
MEl wrote:"I assume all artists are ego maniacs." Dont
call me such foolish 'elitist culturally illiterate names'
until you have seen my art!West Virginia University Creative Art
Center's board did not vote me into their elite club of artists;
because I was or am an 'Ego Maniac'.This board did so because
the 8 paintings that was put on file show that I have a great artistic
talent!!All you 'Illiterate Cultural elitists' have the ability
to discuss/insult/talk about that which you have never seen--you are
not talking about MY ART;your only mental capacity is to insult
the ARTIST !! Pitiful example of over educated ignorance !!
Melvin Fullerton Creative Artist West Virginia Universirt Creative Art
Center USA.
Robert C. Thomas
> the 8 paintings that was put on file show that I have a great artistic
> talent!!
Yah, Mel, you're a legend in your own mind.
;>(
bob
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Mel wrote:Just another green eyed jealous nit picker??
Melvin Fullerton Creative artist West Virginia University.