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Re: The Concept of God

tripurant...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) — Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:27:10 UT

Better to avoid terms like Maya. They are often poorly understood.

Re: The Concept of God

tripurant...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) — Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:25:39 UT

Who will judge His disappearance, including the essence?
All categories such as numbers ( one etc), triangle, square are all
human categories born out of human experience. These should not be
taken as the *real*. The color blind person's world is not less real
than the others. Nor a dog's or buterflies' world is less real than

Re: Raymond Knapp admits he rejects the Bible is false, it is truthly the Word of God.

rwkn...@hotmail.com (Raymond) — Wed, 29 Sep 2004 02:24:10 UT

Raymond Knapp is not a liar and that has been proven, now you're a pathetical liar.

Re: The Concept of God

a...@hotmail.com (harmony) — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:22:49 UT

shouldn't all you be talking about maya at this point?
hey samartha, agamya, poorana
moha maya dhaar
hey govinda hey gopaal hey dayalu laal

Re: The Concept of God

kamal8...@hotmail.com (Uncle_Sinbad) — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:40:29 UT

Maybe I stated it wrong. Can God make Himself to not exist. SO not
only His experience dissapears but even His essence? If yes, then God
can make Himself a non-God wich means He will not exist anymore. If
no, then God can not do everything.
The best answer is to say there is no good answer for an ill-question.

Re: Raymond Knapp admits he rejects the Bible is false, it is truth!

steve.no-s...@prime.org (Steve Winter) — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 04:16:12 UT

Raymond Knapp is a liar and was showing his contempt for the
Pauline Epistles. I have never said that Paul is God, but I
believe Paul's epistles are SCRIPTURE and the WORD OF GOD!
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is
salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the

Re: The Concept of God

tripurant...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:47:24 UT

I am afraid, you miss the point completely again. Let me say this
again.
All appearances and disappearances are in the experiential world. God
can make Himself disappear, certainly yes.
Can He create the said mountain? Yes, He can. He is the lifter and the
mountain at the same time.
The simple point again is: God is the Only entity. There in nothing

Re: Raymond Knapp admits he rejects the Bible is false, it is truth!

rwkn...@hotmail.com (Raymond) — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:25:30 UT

Note that "Pastor Steve Winer" said Paul is God, and my denying that
is to him contempt! I stand by the Word of God, Paul is NOT GOD,
never was, and never will be!!!!!!!!
Seems Mr. Winter sees such truths as "blatant liar" stuff, that does
show who side he is on, in things eternal, and it sure is not of

Raymond Knapp admits he rejects the Bible

steve.no-s...@prime.org (Steve Winter) — Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:10:27 UT

rwkn...@hotmail.com (Raymond) spake thusly and wrote
Message-ID: <53592110.0409270125.39739d74@ posting.google.com>:
This clearly proves that the reprobate devil Raymond Knapp does
not believe that Paul's epistles are the Word of God. This
proves yet again, by his own words that Raymond Knapp does NOT

Re: The Concept of God

kamal8...@hotmail.com (Uncle_Sinbad) — Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:43:20 UT

The relative maybe absolute in an esoteric way but that is only when
you transcnd the outward of things. exoterically, if you say the
Absolute is relative then those words have no meaning. It is like
saying "everything" is "nothing" or saying the All-powerfull is weak,
the Eternal is temporary , The All-knowing is forgetfull etc. In the

Re: The Concept of God

fun...@rediffmail.com (Sesh) — Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:31:02 UT

<<Why is it necesary for there to be something more to our
existence?>>
Its a very big question isn't it?
All these religions, and their and their-not dogmas, rules and
regulations. The wonderful thing that has happened to so many
people(charities and etc) and the so many worse things(beleiving that

Re: The Concept of God

tripurant...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) — Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:18:21 UT

God is God. Names, categories are for our convenience. We should use
categories but should never be imprisoned by them. They are tools. We
should focus on what they mean. The essence is the focus and not the
name. If you focus on the essence, then the name liberates. That is
vedanta.

Re: The Concept of God

tripurant...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) — Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:13:31 UT

If creation means creation out of nothing, then there is no creator.
There is no creation. Not just for a creature but there is no
creation.
If the postulate that creation cannot be from nothingness, there is no
first cause or absolute. There is no cause or effect. Hence
Cause-effect phenomenon is not ultimately real and are only

Bunjee Love

steveyo...@yahoo.com — Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:10:55 UT

Pictures of me and my girlfriend having sex at the end of a Bunjee Rope 100 meters off a bridge in Scotland
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Re: The Concept of God

pund_kam...@hotmail.com (pund kamath) — Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:27:42 UT

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Um! Is God Muslim or could He(She, It) be something else?

Re: The Concept of God

kamal8...@hotmail.com (Uncle_Sinbad) — Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:51:45 UT

Comment:
I agree. If creation means creation outof nothing, then a creature can
not do that.
Comment: However Creator if defined as the cause of causes or first
cause or the Absolute that is by definition not material (since all
mattter is dependent and relative). It means the Creator does not
"play" the game as the material relative world and thus there is no

Re: The Concept of God

tripurant...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) — Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:43:46 UT

Please show the verses in Gita. I dont remember any grass in the Gita
although the principle expressed makes sense
Now, if
The Lord is all knowledge and all power, no doubt. But He is not
going to do everything for us. We have no autonomy if He does
everything. Even a mother has to let the child make some mistakes so

Re: The Concept of God

chaos_ent...@yahoo.com (Chaos Entity) — Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:15:08 UT

I still can't find the answer to one question:
Why is it necisary for there to be something more to our existence?
There is a tendency to assemble elaborate ideas of dieties and
behavioral code and I can't figure out why. No matter what religion,
are we so lost that we cannot contemplate or accept a universe that

Re: The Concept of God

fun...@rediffmail.com (Sesh) — Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:33:14 UT

I am really really not sure if the vedantic concepts are really
comprehensible to ordinary Muslims. More so Muslims from outside of
India.
Let me ask you some questions. It is said in the Bhagavad Gita that
not even a blade of grass moves without the will of the lord. Now, if
we accept it as true, then, why did the lord accept the creation of so

Re: The Concept of God

tripurant...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) — Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:24:34 UT

Creation is not and cannot be bringing into being anything that was
never existent before. "Creation" cannot arise out of nothingness.
"Creation" can only be transformation. Man cannot create anything out
of nothing. Creating anything out of nothingness is irrational and
against our experience.
Hence the concept that God "creates" can only mean God "created" out

Re: The Concept of God

khad...@sbcglobal.net (yassir) — Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:04:27 UT

ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (M. Ranjit Mathews) wrote
Are you saying that creator1 is superior to creator2?

can creatore2 knows that it is created by creator1?
Thanks for your reply.
Yassir.

Re: The Concept of God

ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (M. Ranjit Mathews) — Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:15:54 UT

khad...@sbcglobal.net (yassir) wrote ...
They wouldn't be the same any more than you and your mother are the
same. They wouldn't necessarily be equal in capability either. For
example, if Creator1 is able to (and does) create Creator2 in such a
way that Creator1 can destroy Creator2 any time he wants and Creator2

Re: The Concept of God

khad...@sbcglobal.net (yassir) — Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:11:17 UT

ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (M. Ranjit Mathews) wrote
Then Creator1 and creator2 are equal and the same.
is this what you'r saying?
A man create a car ,can a car create a man?
Thanks for your reply.
Yassir.

Re: The Concept of God

thegoldens...@hotmail.com (jhone josef) — Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:53:44 UT

Through Patience and Understanding
A Canadian Student Discovers Islam
come from a small town in Ontario. I was raised as a Christian and
attended a Pentecostal church. I stopped attending church because I
did not feel I fitted in with that setting, although I did keep
practicing Christianity.
I had no contact with Muslims, and had no idea what Islam was. My

Re: The Concept of God

tripurant...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) — Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:59:31 UT

I think if a square can be a triangle then a riangle can be a square
as well!
Coming back to this myth about One God. One is a number, a category in
human conceptualisation. The attempt to define God in human linguistic
terms and to say that is the ultimate answer is to defy His
Omniscience and Omnipotence. We can describe for our sake but

Re: The Concept of God

ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (M. Ranjit Mathews) — Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:27:48 UT

khad...@sbcglobal.net (yassir) wrote ...
Irrelevant. Assume the existence of a creator, Creator1. If Creator1
creates another creator, Creator2, then Creator2 would be both created
and a creator.

Re: The Concept of God

khad...@sbcglobal.net (yassir) — Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:32:46 UT

ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (M. Ranjit Mathews)
Can a triangle be a square ?

A square can be a triangle at the same time!

Re: Spazzmodicus A PROVEN LIAR!...A PROVEN LIAR...A PROVEN LIAR!

rwkn...@hotmail.com (Raymond) — Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:24:03 UT

Still insulting like a demon from Hell. Well that is what you do, so
enjoy.
Anyone really interested in seeing how evil this Ron Burdette really
is, and how he lies without any remorse. Please check me out, and
what the Lord Jesus Christ has done in our missionary work and years
of service to Christ at [link]. Thank you in

Re: Spazzmodicus A PROVEN LIAR!...A PROVEN LIAR...A PROVEN LIAR!

rwkn...@hotmail.com (Raymond) — Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:09:02 UT

Seems you have want insane with these words. I do pity you and your
hate of the things that Jesus does do today.
What I stand for is found at [link] the rest of
your lunatic is for all to read and see you do need to accept Jesus as
Lord and Saviour.
No way fool, such terms are not even in the bible, but you don't care

Letter to Mankind

a2.mehb...@gmail.com (ahmad m) — Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:13:47 UT

Dear Friend,
Madness has overtaken a portion of humanity and what they do is
nothing short of insanity.
We are losing the fight against terrorism. That is because we are
missing the target.
We must reach to the world and let everyone know that terrorism is the
symptom and the real problem is the ideology behind it.

Economics- Zakah - Quranic Economics : Part 3

na...@chillizone.com (Nawaz) — Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:27:16 UT

Dear Readers
With the blessings of Allah (God) Almighty here i am posting the last
chapter of this Economic series of articles. Before posting an article
my request to all those who felt like research on this subject then
must consult and gather thier own reliable resources but you can only
find a truth when you are really wanted to know 100% pure facts with

Holy Quran: Raging Hurricanes

giant...@aol.comnospam (GiantPaw) — Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:28:43 UT

REVELATIONS OF GOD IN THE HOLY QURAN ABOUT THE JUDGING POWER OF HURRICANES:
(1) "Feel ye then secure that He will not cause a slope of the land to engulf
you, or send a sand-storm upon you, and then ye will find that ye have no
protector?
Or feel ye secure that He will not return you to that (plight) a second time,

Reading The Bewildered Herd To Understand

willy342...@yahoo.com (Jim) — Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:38:24 UT

For the first time, The Bewildered Herd is a recently published book
that contains all that should be known about the media's orientation
of the public mind in democratic societies, why this manipulation
takes place, and in which manner. The Bewildered Herd does not only
analyse the media's current functions, forms, interests, and tactics

Re: The Trial and Conviction of Our Mr. Bush Jr. with "Bonus Pack!!!"

honest_to_...@hotmail.com (Not your fairy God Mother) — Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:57:17 UT

You be the judge: Shouldn't this be OUR BIG NEWS STORY?
And, who's interest is it, that it is yet to be made so
by Your entertaining national news programming? Whos?
The People's? Freedom's? Or the forces of bushite
tyranny to keep the US unaware of Freedom's true glory?

[link]

Economics- Concept and Purpose in Islam: Part 2

na...@chillizone.com (Nawaz) — Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:03:11 UT

Dear All
In part 1 of this economics series article we have discussed
fundamental elements of economics in the light of Islam & Quran. Now
second part of this article will explicitly share the concept of
economics in Islam .
In part I of this article, we had examined the prevailing opinions of
both religious and secular Muslims, as well as the prevailing system

Reflections on good and evil

ricercastudio...@lorenzocrescini.it (Lorenzo) — Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:31:16 UT

My name is Lorenzo Crescini and I'm Italian. These "Flashes on Good
and evil" reflect the same mood characterizing the Flashes on the Holy
Gospels and Turin's Holy Shroud I wrote in Africa: making myself
useful to our Lord Jesus Christ.
I will start by quoting the best Prayer to Jesus I've ever read.

Economics- Its Concept and Purpose in Islam: Part 1

na...@chillizone.com (Nawaz) — Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:49:49 UT

Dear Reader
It is my little effort to share what i have gone through in order to
understand economics. The word economics though having only 9 letters
but we all are witnessing its impact throughout the history of
mankind. The Islam has its own economic principle according to the
divine laws of Allah Almighty mentioned in Quran. But here i shall

Moving Thought And Moving Heart

na...@chillizone.com (Nawaz) — Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:37:21 UT

Dear All
The article " Moving Thought And Moving Heart " has a vital
significance in order to understand the basic concept behind the
muslim unity.
Moving Thought And Moving Heart:
============================== ==
Let us feel the pain -- inflicted on all innocent human beings
throughout the Land of Allah Almighty(Al-Ardu Lillah). An aching

What's In Your Closet?

logan1...@sbcglobal.net (Whats In Your Closet ?) — Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:14:03 UT

Conceived by women - Shared by all
Just something I came up with one afternoon while talking to some
friends.
I said to my friends, "Nearly everyone has something in their closet
they don't wear anymore". Why not build a website to sell the things
we don't wear anywhere without the hassle of auction sites.

Yeshua haMashiach (Jesus Nosso Salvador)

ulapa...@netscape.net (Pablo Rodrigues) — Sun, 12 Sep 2004 04:24:17 UT

Shalom e ola grupo!
Tehilim (Salmos) 28:9
Salva o teu povo, e abençoa a tua herança, apascenta-os e exalta-os
para sempre... Em Yeshua (Jesus) nosso Salvador (HaMashiach) me
refugio! Agradecimentos a nosso D-us, para inspirar-me a ser melhor
que eu possa, para mostrar-me a importancia da verdade e da alegria. O

Legally ban Bullets like Fire Crackers

revdanieli...@yahoo.com (Br Dan Izzo) — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:44:26 UT

Legally BAN Bullets like Fire Crackers
What is the difference between a firecracker and a bullet ?
And:
How to Turn Silver into Created Gold Coins
"Transmutations of Silver Gold can be manufactured from other elements
by several methods "
What is the difference between a firecracker and a bullet ?
How to Legally BLOCK the possession of Assualt Weapon BULLETS

Re: The Concept of God

khad...@sbcglobal.net (yassir) — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:19:50 UT

"David Sitara" <sdi...@usa.com> wrote
He was like you ,watching porno.
Assuming it has a dick and
the answer is in your porno fillty fucking mind.

Yes ,piss is all you'r full of,you can't offer
what you dont have.

Yassir.

Re: The Concept of God

pund_kam...@hotmail.com (pund kamath) — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:01:18 UT

I am getting off the floor. This business of God is just confusing. I
do not need him(her!).

A Dream of Christmas Long Ago

antpo...@conceivia.com (tbondhus) — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:16:14 UT

A Dream of Christmas Long Ago
This is the story of Jesus and the events leading up to his birth.
Some of these events may have little to do with the story at first but
you will see later that they are part of the story. I left much of
the story out to make the story easy to understand. You can get the

Issues of: 1 Power; 2 Sex Gratification, 3 Security from Death, are ?

revdanieli...@yahoo.com (Br Dan Izzo) — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 04:28:03 UT

Civilization is developed on 3 main motivating issues of people and
they are issues of :
1 Power
2 Sex Gratification and
3 Security from Death
Because they hold survival value for people
What is the best way to stop terrorism ?
Provide People with basic knowledge of psychoanalysis
, educating future would be terrorists with the knowledge of

Re: The Concept of God

ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (M. Ranjit Mathews) — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:20:17 UT

khad...@sbcglobal.net (yassir) wrote ...
Why is that? Why can a creator not have been created?
Yes, but that can be in addition to being a creator.

Cryonic Life Insurance Company natural ice glacier burial,

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on fact. Preserving the body after death through cryonic freezing or
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Re: Truth.

chaos_ent...@yahoo.com (Chaos Entity) — Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:36:21 UT

At this point, it should be fair to conclude that Bush is intolerant,
and that he initiated the war. His with-us-or-against-us attitude is
not at all tolerant. I just hope no one tries to "liberate" the US the
way the US "liberated" Iraq. I'm not trying to compare Hussein to
Bush. Since he has not started killing his own people (yet), it would

Re: The Concept of God

sdi...@usa.com (David Sitara) — Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:24:53 UT

What was it doing before he created anything? Assuming it has a dick and
also a cunt, was it fucking itself before he created anything?
Thanks bud and piss to you.
Dave