A historic speech by a great American
American Patriot
Hendry Leon
(And I am nobody of importance- have come to think so negative of
myself as a resulf of these actions taken with the click of a
button...under circumnstances encountered and for what I have come to
discover in this newsgroup is that the persons who have the most time
in length- of years, in writing to this newsgroup are professionals-
and thus persons of higher monetary means than myself,) ever since.
ACKNOWLEDGING AUTHORITY IN EVERY CONTEXT- and on judging others- ie.:
say another Christian:
I believe that when I judge someone else- it serves as a mirror of a
sort, which reflects that which is within me that I consider it and
hold it to be an obstacle for me to attain in this life perfection as a
human being.
(The Words of Christ- the Messiah Himself):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge
others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be
measured to you."
Matthew 7:1,2
ABSOLUTE RECOGNITION/ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, BE CONSCIENT
OF, THE AUTHORITY IN EVERY CONTEXT IN WHICH I FIND MYSELF
IN- IF I DESIRE TO BE IN ACOUNT WITH GOD, IN THAT CONTEXT/PLACE.
In my manner of perceiving the seeking to be in account with God- in
the context in which I happen to find myself in (apart from not asking
that the ones who are in a position of authority in that context break
the rules on my behalf nor I break the rules of such place- for I do
not wish to be treated like an idiot)- i accept and believe the fact
that it is necessary and essential: my acknowledging and having in my
mind who is/are the authorities within the context in which I seek, to
be in account with God (attained only through repentance through
Christ.):
In the home- when I returned home in 2002, after many years of not
living with the family (albeit all this time in my heart guarding the
fond memories of how it was back in Guatemala: as something that
remains cemented within each and everyone of us- in years later on
one's life are the traditions/habits that were part of one's home in
which one grew up in-ever since one's infancy until the age of 7 or 8.
There was no t.v. in our home back then- in fact, some of our closest
neighbours from back then- became members of this congregation later
on, and sent a video in commemoration of the anniversary of the church
and its founder and they speak out with regards to their memories of
what they remember were exactly that which we did at home in the
evenings. As a consequence of such habits- a "Friends" church was
established; although i became Pentecostal when I came to Christ in
'98, and baptized and deposed myself of this doctrine.), I brought the
two of them together in their room the moment the opportunity presented
itself, sat them down on their bed and after thinking of the proper
words to say to them- they looking down, waiting for me, I said to
them: "ok, it has been many years since I have not lived here- I come
back now but as a Christian.
I want you to write me a list of things that you would like me to do:
when you would like me to take out the garbage, when you would like me
to vaccum the house, when you would like me to wash the dishes, to cook
for you.".
First I heard giggling (But i had suffered and was paying the price due
to this type of "relationship" between my mother and I: as i had come
to feel an emotion only, as a result of which i came to accept within
me, that an emotion without an intervention/action in light of and as a
consequence of, circunmstances that the other person has
directly/indirectly attested to finding themselves in: remains- an
emotion only. Not love, and it hurt. I have a cursed conscience in
English I told them. Something which was so easily attained as a result
of not being able to have control over this language within me.)-
Please do this, I insisted, and pushed a paper and pen before them.
Write for me here these things, I will sign it then you will sign it
also and I will send a copy to "granny" in Guatemala. I did this- my
acknowledgement and (practical/applied) declaration of their authority
in the context of the home- for in my personal perception of how I have
received discernment as a Christian from God when seeking to be in
account with Him (done through repentance through Christ Jesus) has
been through the acknowledgement and being conscious of- the authority
within the context in which I happened to find myself in. Returning
home after all these years (and having maintained a more or less
inexistent relationship with them while living in the same city,
although it was of this type even before I had moved out of the home in
the first place)- I made sure that there was not only an agreement but
that there was evidence of such perception from my part as to how I
perceive them in my own spiritual life in the context of the home.
In my own personal life, I had come to discover that if I wanted to
receive discernment from God at home- through prayer (the seeking to be
in account with God- through repentance through Christ)....it had to be
inevitably essential that I acknowledge and have in mind, be conscious
of- the secular authority that exists (the authority within the
hierarchical context) in the place in which i happen to find myself in
(in any place in which I happen to find myself in)- when seeking to be
in account with God (achieved only through repentance through Christ.)
No matter where I happen to find myself in.
[Given that i, in my personal belief that God is a God of order; I came
to discover in my life, that the only manner to be able to receive
discernment from God- apart from being able to be in account with God
which can only be attained through individual repentance through
Christ- is through the acknowledging and being conscious of the
authority within the context in which I find myself in. My personal
belief that God is a God of order.].
COMMUNICATION
With regards to judging and/or seeking to force that the person fall
into a box/category IN PARTICULAR RELATIONSHIPS:
The taking/adhering to, an attitude (pre-determined but destructive
towards the other person, ie.: say, assume the position, that ) towards
someone else, in one's manner of conducting oneself towards such
person, without paying attention to (the other person's communication
in whatever form it takes.) what comes out of his/her mouth- in that
very specific instant in which he/she is speaking (comminucating) to
one; but rather adher to this specific pre-determined destructive
attitude/approach towards such person, and then after realize that one
has committed an error: because one did not pay attention to what came
out of the other person's mouth (instead, one was judging during this
very specific time in which one had to have been listening.), did not
pay attention to what came out of the other person's mouth;
Then after, one seeks to take the weight off one's (feeling of) guilt
and feel good with oneself:
Through the forming/creating a circle of destruction of the other
person's image, negative and destructive of him/her: THIS IS NOT LOVE.
(Taking advantage that the other person finds themselves in such
vulnerable position in his/her relationship with me.).
With regards to judging and/or seeking to force that the other person
fall into a box/category BUT with regards to (as it applies to)
RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE WHO ARE IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY OVER ME- IN
EVERY CONTEXT IN WHICH I HAPPEN TO FIND MYSELF IN:
If I were to direct myself to person A., who has this position within
the hierarchy of such context- and such person, does not pay attention
to what I am communicating in the moment in which I am communicating
it; and then person A., after realizing that he/she has committed an
error: because he/she realizes that he/she, was not paying attention
to/listening to, the message/communication during the course that such
was being communicated by my person- and person A., proceeds to/runs
to, create (in a collective manner) this circle of destruction of my
person's image:
This is a manifestation of an inherent inferiority complex within
person A. He/she has done such (after realizing that he/she has
committed an error- because he/she did not listen to/pay attention to,
what I was communicating, in that precise moment in which I was doing
it: to the extreme/extent that, were I to ask such person to repeat
what I have just said/communicated with him/her- he/she cannot repeat
it...simply,
because he/she was not paying attention to what I was communicating in
that very precise moment.), in this manner, only to gain control
of/over the relationship with the other person (in this case, me) (in
this case: gain/win control of the relationship with the other person-
me.).
INFERIORITY COMPLEX (physical size, financial circumnstances,
socio-economic attainment....):
The difficulties which occur in English for someone with a
language-based learning disability: with agility and promptness one is
able to reason and think in logic in my case in Spanish (my first
language). While waiting to be accepted into a full-time program in
university in the fall of '98- after having completed a full year
('97-'98) as a part time student seeking to be accepted into
university: i won a competition (out of the hundreds if not more, who
knows? number of applicants) within the federal government (that Summer
of '98), which required only a high school diploma; at the CR-03 level
that involved the arrangement of cards in their appropriate index order
(proving that no, a language-based learning disability does not affect
the way intelligence/information is learned/applied and held in the
first language). A test that involved their arrangement in
alphanumerical, numerical (as it was for a position within the National
Archives- thus the test involved that which is used in such contexts.)
order.
But the stigma attached: Everything was going well until out of
curiosity (as to why, i found it much more simpler to write in Spanish
then translate into English), i decided to submit myself to a set of
intelligence tests while in university, found out that my brain is at a
disadvantage in the English language when it comes to conducting
processing things (when it involves processing logic): this goes for
mathematics; in-depth reasoning. With such agility and promptness done
in my first language: Spanish.
Everything that occurs in one's mind in the second language (in my case
English)- is more or less garbage floating in one's mind.
LOVE
The creating of a destructive circle of another person's image (person
a.) : be it, because the accuser feels accused and/or
directly/indirectly judged or not by the other person to whom he/she
accuses and/or tries to form such destructive circle about (person a.),
in such manner: that is not love
The placing of the mind on another person's physical part/physiological
member of that person's body; as exotic that this may be: is not love.
There is a difference between an emotion towards someone else and love.
An emotion towards someone without taking action so as to intervene in
light of circumnstances manifested- remains solely an emotion.
TWO POINTS
Christ in the Spirit (while in the Spirit) spoke about sinning and
repentance.
St. Paul, the Apostle, in the Spirit sought to understand his own
flesh.
JUDGING SOMEONE ELSE
...the moment one condemns someone else- in that immediate instant, one
falls under the judgement of someone else who perceives one in a
similar manner.
Otherwise the Words of Christ would not be such:
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge
others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be
measured to you."
Matthew 7:1,2
the very moment one condemns someone else, in that very instant one
falls under the judgement of someone else who perceives one in that
specific manner.
INDIVIDUAL GIFT
* I give thanks to God for this precious gift that He has granted me-
of being able to be in account with Him individually through repentance
through Christ (thus; no need for witnesses- glory be to HIM!!!):
something which due to such: I DO NOT need "buddies" in this world to
be able to be in account with God.
Hendry Leon
Kirby Urner
>has committed an error: because one did not pay attention to what came
>out of the other person's mouth (instead, one was judging during this
>very specific time in which one had to have been listening.
Called "mindfulness training" -- paying attention to what actually is includes
being ruthless with that "inner voice" that's always judging and
self-importantly providing overvoice while others are talking (or maybe it's
simply thinking of the next thing to say -- no sponteneity).
Anyway, tell it to shut up. Other traditions call it "yamma yamma" -- monkey on
your back (or shoulder). Not to be confused with Quaker still small voice --
which hasn't got a chance when ol' monkeybrain has the floor.
>Through the forming/creating a circle of destruction of the other
>person's image, negative and destructive of him/her: THIS IS NOT LOVE.
Krishnamurti good on this too. Takes courage to let go of an image of another,
built up over the years, but mostly just to stabilize a self image, not to
really be in communication with them.
>the very moment one condemns someone else, in that very instant one
>falls under the judgement of someone else who perceives one in that
>specific manner.
>
It's not wrong to judge, but judge and condemn aren't the same concept. Think
of how a medical professional tries to reach for a diagnosis. A diagnosis is a
kind of judgment, but isn't a condemnation of anything (as if the virus cares).
>Hendry Leon
Thanks for sharing.
Kirby
delightful
very good in my being able to read and understand what you are
saying/meaning. i do also like the way you have broken the post into
different points/thoughts on many matters.
hey and anyone can post here no matter the size of the brain or
pocketbook or how long they have been posting here.
can't post much as my batteries for my keyboard are getting low and can
hardly type till i get new batteries but wanted to say hang in there
man!
bye! faith
Hendry Leon
of specific cultural backgrounds here in Canada.)
i refrained from saying it exactly how i wanted to say it:
because he/she did not pay attention to what came out of my mouth
(instead, was judging during this very specific moment in which he/she
had to have been listening to that which was coming out of my mouth) in
that very specific moment.
no need to reply.
Hendry Leon
Engineer
Hendry Leon wrote:[snip]
Please stop posting everything multiple times. One copy is enough.
John
> Hendry Leon wrote:[snip]
>
> Please stop posting everything multiple times. One copy is enough.
If you look at the time stamps they are both 14.31. Perhaps Hendry Leon
is having trouble operating his newsreader. One has to consider that he
was not sure, initially, what a newsgroup was. It may have been more
helpful to offer advice on how to actually operate his newsreader. It
may also have been less than charitable to set the followup to
alt.dev.null, he is obviously trying to communicate to
soc.religion.quaker.
--
John
Whiskers
Hendry Leon is posting using the 'Google Groups' interface to usenet, one
of whose faults is the sometimes very long lag (several hours) between
posting an article and seeing it in Google Groups - which encourages
people to keep trying to 'send' the same thing over and over again.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
John
> Hendry Leon is posting using the 'Google Groups' interface to usenet,
> one of whose faults is the sometimes very long lag (several hours)
> between
> posting an article and seeing it in Google Groups - which encourages
> people to keep trying to 'send' the same thing over and over again
I was more inclined to think that he may have a heavy touch on his
keyboard. Twice within the same minute doesn't strike me as reposting
as he hasn't seen the first arrive
--
John
Hendry Leon
here- thinking that it was a kind of MSN- I did not know what and how a
newsgroup worked (in fact, didn't come to use a computer for internet
purposes outside of university campus until 2001- this whole time under
the protective confines of my university Internet student access
system); again, I do not cease to ask for forgiveness in this.
I had someone of the knowledge of who my family is (but rejecting my
claim of vulnerability- without their support or interest in anything
pertaining to my person, ever since I came to Canada.) approach me with
the intention to force me into a box destructful of my person in
his/her approach towards me prior to our interaction. Basing his/her
approach towards me- using this which was originally written on this
Newsgroup (which i have tried many times to erase but have not been
able to, as the originating e-mail address: chat system,
chat.carleton.ca at university no longer exists.) many years ago (the
origin of all this subsequent writing. Had i been able to erase it, i
would have never written in this newsgroup subsequently after), as the
basis with which to approach me.
This, written for certain persons who were in my everyday life:
Myself, someone who somehow managed to enter university- academic year
Sept '97- April '98 a part-time student under a program for adult
applicants wishing to enter into a full-time program. My greatest
achievement as a person with only a high school diploma (graduated from
high school in '96) came to put me into a very tough decision as a
person at the end of that next Summer of '98- August of '98. I
obtained news in the form of a letter towards the end of June of '98,
that I had not only passed the interview for a position (at the CR-03
Level) within the National Archives of Canada as a clerk but had won
the competition for the position, surpassing above all competitors.
Almost like a dream come true- a competition beating so many other
applicants for just one position with the Archives. One position, and
it was obtained and won based on tests results, by me- Hendry that June
of '98. With only my high school diploma and waiting that Summer of
'98, for the response from the university to see whether I would be
accepted admission into a full-time program based on the marks obtained
as a part-time student that previous academic year: '97-'98.
My joy, I accepted the position and started, only to receive a letter a
few weeks later, towards the end of August '98 from Carleton
University, telling me that I had been accepted into a full-time
program in university.
Almost like a dream come true. The letter telling me that I had been
accepted into the Sociology Program at Carleton University. I had a
decision to make- either continue working full time in this very
short-term position as a clerk (shortest of terms but with the
opportunity as there is- for an extension and another term to be
obtained.), from where there could have been perhaps opportunities
along the way if such, nothing was for certain, and risk to study on a
part-time basis (f there was a way for such); my joy however, I
immediately resigned this term position and accepted entering into
full-time studies in university that Fall of '98.
My more or less dream come true at last- finally being accepted into
university that August of '98, based on marks obtained as a part-time
student that previous academic year '97-'98 (such had been my
motivation that year- on papers which I wrote, while a part-time
student. I got involved in my university student council as student
council clerk, next year- that Summer of '98, came to be selected
from my university by an organization called Frontier College, to work
and do volunteer work among Mexican migrant farm workers in Southern
Ontario, where I happened to find myself, when I found out the news
that I had won and had been selected for this federal government
competition- even though I believe starting on the shortest term the
federal government gives in competitions).
All this, having just finished my academic year as a part-time student,
wishing to enter and be accepted into a full-time program in
university. In all this- the sadness of the type of "relationship"
that existed with my family.
September '98, I could finally enter and be accepted into a program
in university.
To "delightful":
hi hendry, thanks for your input and letting me see alot more fully the
reasons for your postings at this newsgroup. i wish you well!
"..but wanted to say hang in there man! "
(Delightful: I do not understand why you are so eager to reply to my
postings when I have never written nor replied to you. I fail to
understand the reason- whether you took something as though it was
somehow written to you. I have no idea who you are- I have never
written to you for you to reply.).
I do not know if you are a male or a female- I do not know what gives
you the liberty to address my person in such manner. In the home where
I come from I was treated as "usted". This is the culture of the
home where I come from- serviceable but respectful of other persons, if
I, in person, were to meet your person, from my mouth your person would
never ever hear me directing myself to your person in such manner-
whoever your person happens to be. I do not give myself such liberty-
and your person: I do not know who you are.
Who are you? I do not know you- if you are a male or a female.
LOVE (a meditation to self):
Love blesses.
Emotion curses or seeks to find a way to curse the other person.
Emotion curses- love blesses. Emotion wishes to fornicate with the
other person (The desire to fornicate with another person is not love.)
and erroneously attributes such to be love.
Hendry Leon
person's mouth."
Kirby Urner wrote:
> Called "mindfulness training" -- paying attention to what actually is includes
> being ruthless with that "inner voice" that's always judging and
> self-importantly providing overvoice while others are talking (or maybe it's
> simply thinking of the next thing to say -- no sponteneity).
>
> Anyway, tell it to shut up. Other traditions call it "yamma yamma" -- monkey on
> your back (or shoulder). Not to be confused with Quaker still small voice --
> which hasn't got a chance when ol' monkeybrain has the floor.
I do not know who you are or what are the motives behind the writing,
neither do I know how many monkeys you believe to have on your back,
but I don't have this thing which you describe above.
In the writing in which your person quotes me: I have put to practice
grace and tact in the manner with which i have described occurrences
in my everyday life which have been manifested towards me by members of
specific cultural backgrounds (I adhered to this type of writing in
which i am quoted above- the use of the third person, not wishing to be
direct and sound accusatory.).
Forgive me, as I am nobody of importance neither do I have at this very
moment/stage in my life, specific credentials for any specific
profession in life. One thing I do give thanks to God: imminent and
inevitable reasoning in all that which has as its objective the
destruction of my life; for being His Son through Christ Jesus (Yet to
all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the
right to become children of God-
John 1:12.).
Hendry Leon
* Dialogue (something which i learned to put to practice) : In the
course of an interaction/conversation, there may be factors that
prevent one or come to serve as obstacles so that one may not present
with liberty, will not feel at ease/liberty to speak: these may be
personal complexes...self-acknowledgments/realizations of perhaps
(among others maybe) financial differences:
myself ever conscious of my physical size (As someone of whom no one
would ever say about me here in Canada, that I have ever used my hands
in a deliberate manner so as to inflict physical violence on someone
else here in Canada, never.) and economic circumnstances and my
position within society
...reason why (passionate speakers encountered)- the dialogue
(specifically: I agreed with the persons with whom I would be having
the discussion of a specific topic prior to starting such- usually two
of us engaged in it- myself and the other person with whom I sought to
engage in the dialogue; that he/she would speak for an accorded time of
the same length as I. If we agreed to speak for 30 mins., then each one
(as a personal ethic- usually the other person would share with me
first. ) would individually speak for 30 mins., without interruption in
the absolute from each other during the course of this time: even if,
there were lapses of no-speaking during such period...to meditate in
what words to say, or seek/look for evidence in a book/literature, to
present during this time or something like this- quietly....for as long
as such time took- without having to worry or be placed in a
role/position of anxiety that the other person would cut in (the flow
of what one- he/she/myself was saying.).
Without any interruption during each other's time.
...quietly.
Pertaining to the above- On Judging Others Who Profess to Be Christian
(of whom we have notions/knowledge of their past) in that very specific
Instant in which one judges/condemns the other Christian of his/her
past:
As a professing Christian- should see what happens in that precise
moment to that professing Christian who judges/condemns the other
professing Christian of that of which he/she has notions and knowledge
of his/her past...in that precise moment.
God bless,
Hendry Leon
Whiskers
snip
> To "delightful":
> hi hendry, thanks for your input and letting me see alot more fully the
>
> reasons for your postings at this newsgroup. i wish you well!
>
> "..but wanted to say hang in there man! "
>
> (Delightful: I do not understand why you are so eager to reply to my
> postings when I have never written nor replied to you. I fail to
> understand the reason- whether you took something as though it was
> somehow written to you. I have no idea who you are- I have never
> written to you for you to reply.).
>
>
> I do not know if you are a male or a female- I do not know what gives
> you the liberty to address my person in such manner. In the home where
> I come from I was treated as "usted". This is the culture of the
> home where I come from- serviceable but respectful of other persons, if
> I, in person, were to meet your person, from my mouth your person would
> never ever hear me directing myself to your person in such manner-
> whoever your person happens to be. I do not give myself such liberty-
> and your person: I do not know who you are.
>
> Who are you? I do not know you- if you are a male or a female.
snip
Dear Sir,
I hope you will forgive my temerity in daring to address you directly
without prior introduction.
In defence of "Delightful", the greeting and encouragement to which you
seem to have taken exception is in my opinion a very friendly (and
Friendly) welcome to a fellow correspondent in what is normally a very
informal place - an international public "newsgroup". Please take this
comment as no more than my own opinion, not a criticism or judgement or
derogation of either yourself or "Delightful".
I think it is a matter of "culture", not disrespect or inappropriate
conduct, that people in these newsgroups do not "stand on ceremony". It
is also a matter of "culture" that any article posted in a newsgroup is
considered to be an invitation for comment or discussion in which anyone
is welcome to participate. No explicit request or invitation is expected;
the fact of having posted ones article is taken as implicit invitation to
engage in debate. All the more so as this group is in the category
'social' and sub-category 'religion', where one should expect to be
accepted as an equal - let alone the fact that this group is frequented by
people who are practising members of or interested in the Religious Society
of Friends ("Quakers") - a community long known for their sincere and
loving gracious egalitarianism.
If you do not want to accept contributions from all and sundry then
perhaps a newsgroup is not the best place for you to publish your words.
A personal website or "on-line journal" or perhaps a "Blog", would seem to
be more appropriate.
Trusting that you will accept my comments in the friendly and helpful
spirit in which they are offered, I remain, Respectfully,
eric volkel-barno
If you don't want people to write you postings, why are you on a newsgroup?
If you just want to preach at people, please find the closest curb.
thank you,
fare thee well in christ,
eric volkel-barno
delightful
from a hill of beans but you chose to post to a newsgroup
"soc.religion.quaker", which is an open group for anyone to read and
post at, to any post or thread anyone wishes to post to. i read a post
you had made and thought it was well done and posted what i thought of
your post to this open group but if you don't want feed back or dialogue
then there are other quaker forums and blogs that i am sure would love
to have you tell your story and not reply that to you.
mr./mrs./ms./miss/ ya you, what does it matter what my sex is as you
were already put out by my post so i see no point in even addressing my
sex.
try googleing your name and you can see and read just how any of the
same posts you post over and over again at this one newsgroup.
don't worry i will never post off of a post that you make to this group
if i can help myself...call me gone
Hendry Leon
Placed in an immature position, having to run after people in my state
without no one in my life-not even my own mother to inquire as to
whether I was dead or alive, living in the same city. End up calling
their home (2002) and inquire if maybe shelter could be granted to me
at their house and ended up in a shelter for the homeless in the same
city as those whom God had placed as parents over my life*.
[The type of relationship between them- those whom God placed as
parents over myself and me, of this type- ever since i set foot in
Canada:
I conducted myself with the literal evidence, obvious and concrete that
the other person (mother and the one whom God placed in the role of
father over my life) had not manifested an interest in the most minimum
with regards to my life (or to inquire about my life) and- in my case:
one persists in insisting to force oneself in such manner in the other
person's life, with this obvious knowledge (that the other person is
not interested in the least about one)- is assuming the role of an
idiot.]
* Came to fall into relationships with other people in my life outside
the home in which I was manipulated (for lacking this in my life)- one
person, after having been personally involved in an incident that my
person had with someone else at school, came to force me to fulfill a
box category about my person through invented things about my person
through writing- solely because he had taken part in this event which
involved someone else at my school: literally an orphan in the same
city and him- this person, assuming full responsibility and ending up
taking advantage of this role in my life.
Grammar Nazi
[snip]
Someone get this cat an MLA.
John D
bewildering nonsense? I've killfiled Hendry, so your reply just keeps him
alive on my newsreader.
-JD
"Grammar Nazi" <no...@none.net> wrote in message
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> Hendry Leon <hendr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Someone get this cat an MLA.
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Hendry Leon
which emanates from the internet towards my life.
Having committed the error ever since i came to Canada, if remember
correctly, of having gotten myself entangled with persons in financial
positions higher than myself, it has never been my financial position
in this world which has granted me my identity.
Hendry Leon