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Fariduddien
Jun 9, 2012, 6:34:52 PM6/9/12
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Assalamu alaikum,
I came across this interesting article a while ago, about how Islam is
growing in Brazil.
Although the Muslim community in Rio de Janeiro is small, it is made
up of about 85% converts.
Here is the article...
Islam takes root in land of mini-bikinis and Carnival:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hKCIDHnvNBclf6BDY8UHzTbwIDtg?docId=CNG.5dc84d595eeec29cf9eeafbc0d90f3a7.311
I came across this interesting article a while ago, about how Islam is
growing in Brazil.
Although the Muslim community in Rio de Janeiro is small, it is made
up of about 85% converts.
Here is the article...
Islam takes root in land of mini-bikinis and Carnival:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hKCIDHnvNBclf6BDY8UHzTbwIDtg?docId=CNG.5dc84d595eeec29cf9eeafbc0d90f3a7.311
athar...@gmail.com
Jun 16, 2012, 7:48:57 AM6/16/12
to
WAS,
This is perhaps NO cause for celebration. It is like saying "Islam is growi=
ng in the Congo". Brazil is FAR better than the Congo but it is still no pl=
ace even for Europeans. It is described as a "purgatory" for all the "bad g=
ermans" (like the Nazis). When it begins to snow in South America then we m=
ay consider it as a worthy place of dwelling perhaps?
Muslims are already very swarthy. We have already very few if any blonde / =
blue eyed folk converting to Islam and those who do are in danger of losing=
their looks when they settle in hot and humid places in the equatorial / t=
ropical belts (of the Islamic world). We ought to be stressing perhaps that=
Muslims migrate from hot desert places to anywhere above 60 degree paralle=
l North. We ought to be stressing that the equatorial and tropical belts be=
confined only to brief stays (tourism), manufacturing (machinery can corro=
de in the heat and humidity but not human beings), recycling (the heat acce=
lerates decomposition).
Lastly there is nothing wrong with bikinis. We want our people to wear nice=
cloths. We want our women to wear bikinis and men to wear shorts. Infact w=
e would like it if a day came when everyone was so secure as to wear no clo=
thing at all (as in the nature walks taken in developed countries).=20
The solution to our predicament is perhaps education. Education is likely t=
o encourage our people to change our outlook and embrace a message of forgi=
veness and love as opposed to vindictive or primitive message.
On Saturday, June 9, 2012 6:34:52 PM UTC-4, Fariduddien wrote:
> Assalamu alaikum,
>=20
> Here is the article...
>=20
bwIDtg?docId=3DCNG.5dc84d595eeec29cf9eeafbc0d90f3a7.311
This is perhaps NO cause for celebration. It is like saying "Islam is growi=
ng in the Congo". Brazil is FAR better than the Congo but it is still no pl=
ace even for Europeans. It is described as a "purgatory" for all the "bad g=
ermans" (like the Nazis). When it begins to snow in South America then we m=
ay consider it as a worthy place of dwelling perhaps?
Muslims are already very swarthy. We have already very few if any blonde / =
blue eyed folk converting to Islam and those who do are in danger of losing=
their looks when they settle in hot and humid places in the equatorial / t=
ropical belts (of the Islamic world). We ought to be stressing perhaps that=
Muslims migrate from hot desert places to anywhere above 60 degree paralle=
l North. We ought to be stressing that the equatorial and tropical belts be=
confined only to brief stays (tourism), manufacturing (machinery can corro=
de in the heat and humidity but not human beings), recycling (the heat acce=
lerates decomposition).
Lastly there is nothing wrong with bikinis. We want our people to wear nice=
cloths. We want our women to wear bikinis and men to wear shorts. Infact w=
e would like it if a day came when everyone was so secure as to wear no clo=
thing at all (as in the nature walks taken in developed countries).=20
The solution to our predicament is perhaps education. Education is likely t=
o encourage our people to change our outlook and embrace a message of forgi=
veness and love as opposed to vindictive or primitive message.
On Saturday, June 9, 2012 6:34:52 PM UTC-4, Fariduddien wrote:
> Assalamu alaikum,
>=20
> I came across this interesting article a while ago, about how Islam is
> growing in Brazil.
>=20
> growing in Brazil.
> Although the Muslim community in Rio de Janeiro is small, it is made
> up of about 85% converts.
>=20
> up of about 85% converts.
> Here is the article...
>=20
> Islam takes root in land of mini-bikinis and Carnival:
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hKCIDHnvNBclf6BDY8UHzT=
bwIDtg?docId=3DCNG.5dc84d595eeec29cf9eeafbc0d90f3a7.311
Fariduddien
Jun 18, 2012, 4:33:15 PM6/18/12
to
Assalamu alaikum,
On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:48:57 PM UTC+10, (unknown) wrote:
> This is perhaps NO cause for celebration. It is like saying "Islam is gro=
wi=3D
> ng in the Congo". Brazil is FAR better than the Congo but it is still no =
pl=3D
> ace even for Europeans. It is described as a "purgatory" for all the "bad=
g=3D
> ermans" (like the Nazis). When it begins to snow in South America then we=
m=3D
l or in the Congo, or anywhere else!
Secondly, Brazil is the world's sixth largest economy. Based on your commen=
ts, it sounds like you have never been there...
I find your comments (particularly regarding racial characteristics) a litt=
le bit strange.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Ar=
ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no sup=
eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except=
by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
The color of someone's skin, the color of their eyes, the color of their ha=
ir, the shape of their ears, the shape of their nose, the length of their t=
oes - all these things are of really no importance from an Islamic perspect=
ive regarding someone's piety.
> The solution to our predicament is perhaps education. Education is likely=
t=3D
> o encourage our people to change our outlook and embrace a message of for=
gi=3D
As for general education...
"The Prophet also said, upon him blessings and peace, 'Wisdom is the lost p=
roperty of the Believer.' Our liege-lord `Ali, Allah be well-pleased with h=
im, explained it this way: 'Wisdom is the lost property of the Believer, so=
take wisdom wherever you find it, even from a disbeliever.'"
(That was quoted from=20
http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Hadith/H0002P0048.aspx )
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said, "Seek knowledg=
e even in China."
(That was quoted from=20
http://www.sunnah.org/sources/hadith_utlub_ilm.htm )
The importance of Islamic scholars:
"Truly, Allah does not remove Sacred Knowedge by taking it out of servants,=
but rather by taking back the souls of Islamic scholars [in death], until,=
when He has not left a single scholar, the people take the ignorant as lea=
ders, who are asked for and who give Islamic legal opinion without knowledg=
e, misguided and misguiding" (Fath al-Bari, 1.194, hadith 100).
(That was quoted from=20
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/sufitlk.htm )
On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:48:57 PM UTC+10, (unknown) wrote:
> This is perhaps NO cause for celebration. It is like saying "Islam is gro=
wi=3D
> ng in the Congo". Brazil is FAR better than the Congo but it is still no =
pl=3D
> ace even for Europeans. It is described as a "purgatory" for all the "bad=
g=3D
> ermans" (like the Nazis). When it begins to snow in South America then we=
m=3D
> ay consider it as a worthy place of dwelling perhaps?
First, anyone embracing Islam is a cause for celebration - whether in Brazi=
l or in the Congo, or anywhere else!
Secondly, Brazil is the world's sixth largest economy. Based on your commen=
ts, it sounds like you have never been there...
I find your comments (particularly regarding racial characteristics) a litt=
le bit strange.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Ar=
ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no sup=
eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except=
by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
The color of someone's skin, the color of their eyes, the color of their ha=
ir, the shape of their ears, the shape of their nose, the length of their t=
oes - all these things are of really no importance from an Islamic perspect=
ive regarding someone's piety.
> The solution to our predicament is perhaps education. Education is likely=
t=3D
> o encourage our people to change our outlook and embrace a message of for=
gi=3D
> veness and love as opposed to vindictive or primitive message.
I agree that education in general is good.
As for general education...
"The Prophet also said, upon him blessings and peace, 'Wisdom is the lost p=
roperty of the Believer.' Our liege-lord `Ali, Allah be well-pleased with h=
im, explained it this way: 'Wisdom is the lost property of the Believer, so=
take wisdom wherever you find it, even from a disbeliever.'"
(That was quoted from=20
http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Hadith/H0002P0048.aspx )
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said, "Seek knowledg=
e even in China."
(That was quoted from=20
http://www.sunnah.org/sources/hadith_utlub_ilm.htm )
The importance of Islamic scholars:
"Truly, Allah does not remove Sacred Knowedge by taking it out of servants,=
but rather by taking back the souls of Islamic scholars [in death], until,=
when He has not left a single scholar, the people take the ignorant as lea=
ders, who are asked for and who give Islamic legal opinion without knowledg=
e, misguided and misguiding" (Fath al-Bari, 1.194, hadith 100).
(That was quoted from=20
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/sufitlk.htm )
Yusuf B Gursey
Jun 18, 2012, 9:46:02 PM6/18/12
to
On Jun 18, 4:33=A0pm, Fariduddien <faridudd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Assalamu alaikum,
Ar=3D
> ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no s=
up=3D
> eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - exce=
pt=3D
> =A0by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
could you give me the complete reference to this Hadith?
>
> The color of someone's skin, the color of their eyes, the color of their =
ha=3D
> ir, the shape of their ears, the shape of their nose, the length of their=
t=3D
> oes - all these things are of really no importance from an Islamic perspe=
ct=3D
> Assalamu alaikum,
>
> The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
>
> "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-=
> The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
>
Ar=3D
> ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no s=
up=3D
> eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - exce=
pt=3D
> =A0by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
could you give me the complete reference to this Hadith?
>
> The color of someone's skin, the color of their eyes, the color of their =
ha=3D
> ir, the shape of their ears, the shape of their nose, the length of their=
t=3D
> oes - all these things are of really no importance from an Islamic perspe=
ct=3D
Yusuf B Gursey
Jun 18, 2012, 10:32:42 PM6/18/12
to
> The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
>
> "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-=
>
Ar=3D
> ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no s=
up=3D
> eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - exce=
pt=3D
> =A0by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
I found it attributed to Musnad Ahmad b, Hanbal
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad
O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab
is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an
Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than
a black person and a black person is not better than a red person,
except in piety.
Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad, #22978
>
> The color of someone's skin, the color of their eyes, the color of their =
ha=3D
> ir, the shape of their ears, the shape of their nose, the length of their=
t=3D
> oes - all these things are of really no importance from an Islamic perspe=
ct=3D
Fariduddien
Jun 19, 2012, 9:38:43 AM6/19/12
to
Assalamu alaikum,
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:32:42 PM UTC+10, Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> On Jun 18, 4:33=3DA0pm, Fariduddien <faridudd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
n-=3D
> Ar=3D3D
> > ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no=
s=3D
> up=3D3D
> > eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - ex=
ce=3D
> pt=3D3D
> > =3DA0by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
>=20
> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad
>=20
Yes, it is part of the Prophet's farewell sermon, may Allah's peace and ble=
ssings be upon him.
It is covered in Bukhari and also other hadith sources too.
I just "Googled" it, and here is one page which quotes it, for example...
http://www.iqrasense.com/about-islam/the-last-sermon-khutbah-of-prophet-muh=
ammad-farewell-sermon.html
In case that link gets "cut off", here is a shorter link to the same web pa=
ge...
http://goo.gl/Q6zB5
On that web page it also says...
"(Reference: See Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361) Sahih of Imam Muslim =
also refers to this sermon in Hadith number 98. Imam al-Tirmidhi has mentio=
ned this sermon in Hadith nos. 1628, 2046, 2085. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal has =
given us the longest and perhaps the most complete version of this sermon i=
n his Masnud, Hadith no. 19774.)"
(These are references to the overall Farewell Sermon.)
I hope that helps!
Another hadith with a similar meaning is...
"People are as equal as the teeth of a comb, they are differentiated only b=
y piety." [Ibn Hajar, Fath al Bari, 1:658-659, 3:204-205]
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:32:42 PM UTC+10, Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> On Jun 18, 4:33=3DA0pm, Fariduddien <faridudd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> > The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
> >
> > "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a no=
> >
n-=3D
> Ar=3D3D
> > ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no=
s=3D
> up=3D3D
> > eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - ex=
ce=3D
> pt=3D3D
> > =3DA0by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
>=20
> I found it attributed to Musnad Ahmad b, Hanbal
>=20
> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad
>=20
> O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab
> is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an
> Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than
> a black person and a black person is not better than a red person,
> except in piety.
> Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad, #22978
> could you give me the complete reference to this Hadith?=20
> is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an
> Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than
> a black person and a black person is not better than a red person,
> except in piety.
> Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad, #22978
Yes, it is part of the Prophet's farewell sermon, may Allah's peace and ble=
ssings be upon him.
It is covered in Bukhari and also other hadith sources too.
I just "Googled" it, and here is one page which quotes it, for example...
http://www.iqrasense.com/about-islam/the-last-sermon-khutbah-of-prophet-muh=
ammad-farewell-sermon.html
In case that link gets "cut off", here is a shorter link to the same web pa=
ge...
http://goo.gl/Q6zB5
On that web page it also says...
"(Reference: See Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361) Sahih of Imam Muslim =
also refers to this sermon in Hadith number 98. Imam al-Tirmidhi has mentio=
ned this sermon in Hadith nos. 1628, 2046, 2085. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal has =
given us the longest and perhaps the most complete version of this sermon i=
n his Masnud, Hadith no. 19774.)"
(These are references to the overall Farewell Sermon.)
I hope that helps!
Another hadith with a similar meaning is...
"People are as equal as the teeth of a comb, they are differentiated only b=
y piety." [Ibn Hajar, Fath al Bari, 1:658-659, 3:204-205]
Yusuf B Gursey
Jun 19, 2012, 6:33:25 PM6/19/12
to
On Jun 19, 9:38=A0am, Fariduddien <faridudd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Assalamu alaikum,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:32:42 PM UTC+10, Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 4:33=3D3DA0pm, Fariduddien <faridudd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Assalamu alaikum,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:32:42 PM UTC+10, Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > > The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
>
> > > "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a =
>
no=3D
> n-=3D3D
> > Ar=3D3D3D
> > > ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has =
no=3D
> =A0s=3D3D
> > up=3D3D3D
> > > eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - =
ex=3D
> ce=3D3D
> > pt=3D3D3D
> > > =3D3DA0by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
> >=3D20
> > I found it attributed to Musnad Ahmad b, Hanbal
> >=3D20
> >http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad
> >=3D20
> > O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab
> > is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an
> > Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than
> > a black person and a black person is not better than a red person,
> > except in piety.
> > Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad, #22978
> > could you give me the complete reference to this Hadith?=3D20
> > is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an
> > Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than
> > a black person and a black person is not better than a red person,
> > except in piety.
> > Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad, #22978
>
> Yes, it is part of the Prophet's farewell sermon, may Allah's peace and b=
le=3D
> ssings be upon him.
>
> It is covered in Bukhari and also other hadith sources too.
>
> I just "Googled" it, and here is one page which quotes it, for example...
>
> http://www.iqrasense.com/about-islam/the-last-sermon-khutbah-of-proph...
>
> It is covered in Bukhari and also other hadith sources too.
>
> I just "Googled" it, and here is one page which quotes it, for example...
>
> ammad-farewell-sermon.html
>
> In case that link gets "cut off", here is a shorter link to the same web =
pa=3D
> "(Reference: See Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361) Sahih of Imam Musli=
m =3D
> also refers to this sermon in Hadith number 98. Imam al-Tirmidhi has ment=
io=3D
> ned this sermon in Hadith nos. 1628, 2046, 2085. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal ha=
s =3D
> given us the longest and perhaps the most complete version of this sermon=
i=3D
> n his Masnud, Hadith no. 19774.)"
which book of Bukhari is it in?
>
> (These are references to the overall Farewell Sermon.)
>
> I hope that helps!
>
> Another hadith with a similar meaning is...
>
b=3D
athar...@gmail.com
Jun 20, 2012, 6:53:18 PM6/20/12
to
On Monday, June 18, 2012 4:33:15 PM UTC-4, Fariduddien wrote:
> The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
>=20
> The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with him) said:
> "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-=
Ar
> ab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no s=
up
> eriority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - exce=
pt
> by piety and good action." (Bukhari)
Agreed that "inner beauty" is important. More than piety we would like the =
inside to be filled with love because above piety is love perhaps for love =
is above faith and knowledge and everything else. We are not saying that pe=
ople who have been burned by sunlight cannot be good. We are saying that we=
do not want our people (or any people) suffering from the fate suffered by=
(and the crimes committed by) people who hail from the dark continent. If =
that is happening then there is cause for concern. There is a reason why th=
ere is a phenomenon called "white flight" in the developed and enlightened =
parts of the world. This has been the case throughout history ever since an=
cient times.
Perhaps inner beauty ought to go with exterior beauty. Appearances perhaps =
do matter because since ancient times some people have had their appearance=
s marked to differentiate loving people from hurtful people. This practice =
still goes on unfortunately in less enlightened parts of the world.
If we say that appearances do not matter then we would be lying to ourselve=
s. It is like saying poverty or wealth should not matter. We know that weal=
th drives people to virtue and poverty drives people towards sin (desperati=
on, privation drives people to steal, murder etc.) Similarly a poor appeara=
nce (or poverty of appearance) discourages social cohesion and sharing of l=
ove between peoples. We want our people and all people to be beautiful in a=
ppearance so they can more easily love one another. We would like everyone =
to have the right to be beautiful and to care for their appearance. This me=
ans that people who are already swarthy ought not to be encouraged to move =
to parts of the world which will cause their skin to get burned even more.=
=20
There is a lot of political correctness and fear in the west of saying what=
is true regarding race. This is not the case with the rest of the world. W=
e would like to keep it that way. We don't want to scare or intimidate peop=
le into becoming minority compliant. Our people (and all people) seem to pr=
efer what is fair and we ought to say it without fear of being accused of b=
eing racists. We don't want to hurt others' feelings but we also don't want=
to be forced to become less or accept less. We all find people of all geog=
raphic origins beautiful and attractive but this does not mean we should en=
courage self satisfaction in a people who hail from the most corrosive and =
hot / humid environments.=20
We (and all people) have the right to be fair from the inside and outside. =
We have the right to say that we want shelter from sun burn and we don't wa=
nt our people (or any people) to suffer the heat and infertile lands. We sh=
ould be helping the west in stressing what is wholesome and fair instead of=
imitating them in an insincerity or suffering from the falsehood that migh=
t prevail over there. We want kindness and help in becoming better NOT disc=
rimination or hatred. We also do not want to falsely sanction what is simpl=
y a rather rough and burned appearance.=20
Over all the western hemisphere (including Brazil) is doing fine and we wou=
ld like all to do better. We as Muslims may have cause for concern that our=
religion might discourage the people from loving each other. In Islamic co=
mmunities there is gender based segregation and veiling of women and men ca=
nnot even talk to women - this is a terrible state to be in. We don't want =
the west traumatized by such an outlook or even touched by this way.
If anything our Muslim communities should be embracing the religion and way=
s of the west (which Brazil might adhere to) which stresses loving the enem=
y and turning the other cheek. Love is greater than any pretense at righteo=
usness, piety and religiosity.
Fariduddien
Jun 20, 2012, 7:40:16 PM6/20/12
to
I stand corrected!
It seems what is commonly listed as the "Farewell Sermon" might be a compilation from multiple sources, possibly (I am not 100% sure of this at this moment).
Anyhow, there are several sources for the wording of the Farewell Sermon.
The best online page I could find with detail on this topic is this one...
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?81847-How-authentic-is-the-famous-farewell-sermon-of-the-prophet&p=704592&viewfull=1#post704592
or here is a short version of the link (in case the above doesn't work)
http://goo.gl/CPs6p
The part which is translated as follows is from the Musnad of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (as you pointed out earlier), and is reported to be graded as "sahih" (sound)...
"An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action."
Sorry for my error in attribution, and thank you for helping to correct it. JazakAllah khayr... :)
Alhamdulillah.
Wassalam,
Fariduddien
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