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mike  
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 More options Jul 22 1999, 3:00 am
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From: "mike" <mich...@nospam.com>
Date: 1999/07/22
Subject: Pork
What is the reason Pork is banned in Islam when other religions permit it's
consumption...is it just a test to stay away from it or is there more to it?

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 More options Jul 22 1999, 3:00 am
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From: roxs...@mindspring.com
Date: 1999/07/22
Subject: Re: Pork
On 22 Jul 1999 10:32:16 -0700, , "mike" <mich...@nospam.com>  shared
his insight or lack thereof about Pork representing Sprint Canada
Inc., in alt.religion.islam

>What is the reason Pork is banned in Islam when other religions permit it's
>consumption...is it just a test to stay away from it or is there more to it?

Pork is dangerous, it is usually filled with parasites.  That's why
Allah forbids it.

Peter J. LaPrade, Massachusetts Young Republican.
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From: "batman" <hsah...@email.msn.com>
Date: 1999/07/22
Subject: Re: Pork
First of all, islam is not the only religion which has banned pork ; the
other, most obvious, being Judaism, and small localized faiths in both india
and Africa, which associated disease with the pig (and relatives of the
pig).

There are a number of reasons for banning the pig; the most obvious is the
harm from the meat.  It is not really a "test,"  it is simply for our own
good.

The pig is the only mammal which doesn't "fight" for mating rights.  For
this reason, as pig generations progress, they dont necessarily get
healthier, as is the case of animals where the strongest win the right to
mate.  This practice is an instinctual way of keeping the generations
healthy.

In terms of the meat itself, pork has the highest content of harmful fatty
tissues and cholesterol.  It also is known to contain diseases which other
red meats do not.


 
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 More options Jul 23 1999, 3:00 am
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From: "ADR" <a.dalla_r...@virgin.net>
Date: 1999/07/23
Subject: Re: Pork

mike wrote in message <7n7kj0$si...@waltz.rahul.net>...
>What is the reason Pork is banned in Islam when other religions permit it's
>consumption...is it just a test to stay away from it or is there more to

it?

The same reason alcohol is banned. To cut off contact with people they don't
like and create separatism.


 
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 More options Jul 23 1999, 3:00 am
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From: roxs...@mindspring.com
Date: 1999/07/23
Subject: Re: Pork
On 23 Jul 1999 10:36:31 -0700, , "ADR" <a.dalla_r...@virgin.net>
shared his insight or lack thereof about Re: Pork representing Virgin
Net Usenet Service, in alt.religion.islam

>mike wrote in message <7n7kj0$si...@waltz.rahul.net>...
>>What is the reason Pork is banned in Islam when other religions permit it's
>>consumption...is it just a test to stay away from it or is there more to
>it?

>The same reason alcohol is banned. To cut off contact with people they don't
>like and create separatism.

No, no, Alcohol was banned because we all know of its affect on
society, which is nothing but evil it brings.  Pork is haram because
it's dangerous.

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Michael Shoshani  
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 More options Jul 23 1999, 3:00 am
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From: shosh...@ripco.com (Michael Shoshani)
Date: 1999/07/23
Subject: Re: Pork
On 22 Jul 1999 10:32:16 -0700 in alt.islam.sufism, mike sneezed:
:> What is the reason Pork is banned in Islam when other religions permit it's
:> consumption...is it just a test to stay away from it or is there more to it?

I can think of two other MAJOR religions that do not permit the
consumption of pork.

Judaism, which bans it because in the Torah G-d declared the pig to be
impure for consumption, without giving a reason. (Orthodox Jews, such as
myself, do not consider parasites to be THE reason or it would have been
explicitly stated.  The prohibition does not take into consideration that
more efficient cooking methods would evolve over the centuries. :) )

Hinduism has many sects which forbid the consumption of meat altogether.
Pork is banned but so is beef, fowl, and lamb.

BTW, you will probably get some responses that Islam "stole" the
prohibition of pork from the Jews.  I do not subscribe to this theory,
because there is no sense in adopting ONE prohibition (pork) while
simultaneously permitting other foods explicitly prohibited in the same
Jewish teachings that forbid pork.  Muslims, for example, are free to eat
catfish, which lacks scales and thus is prohibited to Jews.  Whatever
reasons Islam has for prohibiting pork, they originated in Islam and not
as an influence from another religion or culture.

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Michael Shoshani  
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 More options Jul 25 1999, 3:00 am
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From: shosh...@ripco.com (Michael Shoshani)
Date: 1999/07/25
Subject: Re: Pork
On 23 Jul 1999 21:36:01 -0700 in alt.islam.sufism, Michael Shoshani sneezed:

:> Muslims, for example, are free to eat
:> catfish, which lacks scales and thus is prohibited to Jews.  

Since posting this, I have been informed via email that Shi'ite Muslims
who follow the 12 Imams who follow Muhammed do not eat catfish; they eat
only fish with scales and shrimp.  I was not aware of this difference in
Islamic practice between Shi'ite and Sunnite Islam, as all of the 10 or 12
Halal/Zabiha markets in my neighborhood prominently feature catfish.

I stand corrected.

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Mohammad Jamal Khan Saddozai  
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From: Mohammad Jamal Khan Saddozai <mjk...@uow.edu.au>
Date: 1999/07/26
Subject: Re: Pork

pork is not allowed in Islam, for various reason, such as the ill effect
it gives out within the human body. Though I don't know the biological
names but it effects your body, and is very harmful.

But the most specific reason is that a person, tends to loose their self
respect and their morals once they consume pork.

They don't take religion in a propper manner, and don't care about
serious things, and find the wrong right and the right wrong.

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From: "rj...@iname.com" <rj...@iname.com>
Date: 1999/07/27
Subject: Re: Pork

mike wrote:
> What is the reason Pork is banned in Islam when other religions permit it's
> consumption...

please see,

http://www.iua-net.org/Books/Edicts_Pork/default.htm

http://www.flash.net/~royal/christ/doctrine.html

http://stratsoy.ag.uiuc.edu/archives/experts/swine/1997archive/0348.html

http://www.abcog.org/food.htm

> is it just a test to stay away from it or is there more to it?

The knowledge taught to us through Islam's holy book, "The Qur'an" is revelation

>from God.

God prohibits the swine because it harms the human being either physically or
spiritually.  No matter how much man 'knows' about its 'benefits etc of pork'
his knowledge can never supercede the knowledge of God.

To eat the pig is a sin in Islam.  Those who abstain will be rewarded.  Those
that don't will be punished.  The only exception is dire necessity.  In that
case to not eat it is a sin.

005.003 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine,
and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which
hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or
by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal;
unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on
stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with
arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope
of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your
religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as
your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to
transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.


 
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From: Tai Fu <ta...@wt.net>
Date: 1999/08/02
Subject: Re: Pork
Cooking pork would be like cooking Puffer fish, one wrong move you get
all the bad stuff. If you cooked Puffer wrong and you eat it it would
poison you. If you cook pork wrong, those parasites would get to you.
And besides pigs are sick animal, they eat their own crap! In Taiwan
(who consumes pork like crazy) they feed all the restraunt leftovers to
pigs. In Taiwan Hepititis B is very contagious and it transmit by sliva.
If they get inside a pig, and the virus survived the cooking, think
what's gonna happen.... Also the top skin layer is so full of fat it
does wonders to a person's heart. The lean part, however does not taste
any good, so people tend to mix lean with some fat which isn't good
either. I have used turkey as an alternative to pork, and it's very
effective and it's halal. By the way I am a revert.

 
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Discussion subject changed to "Halaal Food" by true2u
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From: "true2u" <tru...@fiberia.com>
Date: 1999/08/04
Subject: Re: Halaal Food

Tai Fu wrote in message <7o5qji$6k...@waltz.rahul.net>...
>I have used turkey as an alternative to pork, and it's very
>effective and it's halal. By the way I am a revert.

I like the Gujarati (Indian) way of cooking. No meat, just vegetables. They
have really mastered the art of cooking without meat.
I am curious, what does your diet contain now that you are Muslim.
I always thought that Fish was preferable to meat in your society.

 
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From: aj...@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu (Azeem Shahjahan Jiva)
Date: 1999/08/05
Subject: Re: Halaal Food

In article <7o9t8g$l3...@waltz.rahul.net>, true2u <tru...@fiberia.com> wrote:
>I like the Gujarati (Indian) way of cooking. No meat, just vegetables. They
>have really mastered the art of cooking without meat.
>I am curious, what does your diet contain now that you are Muslim.
>I always thought that Fish was preferable to meat in your society.

No meat!  I'm a Pakistani muslim, and unfortunetly I can't go without meat.
So I buy it halal.  It cost more, but small price to pay.  Although I've found
that eating out its not hard to keep things halal. Vegetables, pasta, breads,
etc are usually bountiful.  

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