islamic art
Massak
artistic representation of humans and animals? What exactly was the edict of
Yadiz
Arshad
I am not familiar with what the edict of Yadiz is, but I will tell you
what Islam says about artistic representation of humans and animals.
I present to you what Sheikh Munajidd has said about this:
'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Those
who will be most severely punished by Allaah on the Day of Resurrection
will be the image-makers." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/382).
Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allaah,
may He be exalted, says: 'Who does more wrong than the one who tries
to create something like My creation? Let him create a grain of wheat or a
kernel of corn.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see Fath al-Baari, 10/385).
'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "Shall I not send you on the
same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any built-up tomb without
levelling it, and do not leave any picture in any house without erasing it."
(Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa'i; this is the version narrated by
al-Nisaa'i).
Ibn 'Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him and his father) reported that
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Every
image-maker will be in the Fire, and for every image that he made a soul
will be created for him, which will be punished in the Fire." Ibn 'Abbaas
said: "If you must do that, make pictures of trees and other inanimate
objects." (Reported by Muslim, 3/1871)
These ahaadeeth indicate that pictures of animate beings are haraam,
whether they are humans or other creatures, whether they are
three-dimensional or two-dimensional, whether they are printed, drawn,
etched, engraved, carved, cast in moulds, etc. These ahaadeeth include all
of these types of pictures.
Wasalaam,
Arshad
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Rahim Choudhary
Salam:
Muslims have largely misunderstood the notion of Sunnah. They have reduced it to
the level of physical acts and non acts, without reference to the underlying
reasons and environment. The applicability of Hadith is meaningless without
reference to those reasons and environment.
In particular, the Muslims today are collectively wrong in regarding arts like
painting and sculpture as unislamic. Yes Muslims can be collectively wrong just
as the Christians (Son of God) and Jews (Chosen people) can be collectively
wrong. In fact the Muslims today are collectively wrong in more ways than one.
Arshad wrote:
>
> Asalaam alaikum wrt wb,
>
> I am not familiar with what the edict of Yadiz is, but I will tell you
> what Islam says about artistic representation of humans and animals.
>
> I present to you what Sheikh Munajidd has said about this:
> 'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that
> the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Those
> who will be most severely punished by Allaah on the Day of Resurrection
> will be the image-makers." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/382).
I do not dispute the Hadith but I strongly dispute the conclusion that Muslims
have derived from it. Does this Hadith mean that Michael Angelo would be more
severly punished than Umar (Abu Jahal)?
>
> Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the
> Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allaah,
> may He be exalted, says: 'Who does more wrong than the one who tries
> to create something like My creation? Let him create a grain of wheat or a
> kernel of corn.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see Fath al-Baari, 10/385).
THis would make all people sinners. We all create things like Allah has created.
We create roofs over our head but it is no where close to the ASSAMA that Allah
has created as the roof. We create trees and flowers. etc etc.
We Muslims hate to use our brains that Allah gave us exactly for being used. We
merely quote others that Allah has not asked us to do.
>
> 'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "Shall I not send you on the
> same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of
> Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any built-up tomb without
> levelling it, and do not leave any picture in any house without erasing it."
> (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa'i; this is the version narrated by
> al-Nisaa'i).
So there are no tombs around the Muslim world? There are no pictures in Muslim
houses? This is not just rhetorical. Muslims generally see the absurdity of such
conclusions from the Hadith. They do not say it because they are afraid of Hell,
but they do the worse: they act in defiance of the Hadith and yet recognize the
validity of the conclusion based upon the Hadith.
The Tomb of Mohammad may be an exception, but how about the tomb of Abu Bakr?
How about Khwaja Nazimuddin Chishti and others whi did the Chilla at the Tombs
(of say Data Ganj Baksh). This would take many Muslim saints and put them in
Hell.
>
> Ibn 'Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him and his father) reported that
> the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Every
> image-maker will be in the Fire, and for every image that he made a soul
> will be created for him, which will be punished in the Fire." Ibn 'Abbaas
> said: "If you must do that, make pictures of trees and other inanimate
> objects." (Reported by Muslim, 3/1871)
So now the image maker is not the only one in trouble. The poor soul will be in
fire too.
What is the purpose of creating the poor soul, solely for the purpose of putting
it in Hell? The Prophet used the psyche of the people he was living with. That
psyche may not be universal, in fact it is largely confined to that space time.
>
> These ahaadeeth indicate that pictures of animate beings are haraam,
> whether they are humans or other creatures, whether they are
> three-dimensional or two-dimensional, whether they are printed, drawn,
> etched, engraved, carved, cast in moulds, etc. These ahaadeeth include all
> of these types of pictures.
No they indicate nothing of the sort :-)
>
> Wasalaam,
> Arshad
Arshad
Rahim Choudhary wrote:
> In particular, the Muslims today are collectively wrong in regarding arts like
> painting and sculpture as unislamic. Yes Muslims can be collectively wrong just
> as the Christians (Son of God) and Jews (Chosen people) can be collectively
> wrong. In fact the Muslims today are collectively wrong in more ways than one.
Brother, I have given you clear proof regarding the ruling of pictures,
there is no debate in this matter, all the scholars of Islam are in
agreement on this matter. Insha'Allah you can ask the imam at your
masjid if you are still confused.
Islam is not based on what I feel or what you feel, we refer to what
the Quran and authentic Sunnah say. I'm sorry you don't like this
ruling. I have given you clear proof and there is nothing more I can
say on this matter, someone did email me about this, and I just wanted
to mention the following sahih hadith as well, as I believe I forgot
to.
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 3.318 Narrated by Aisha
(mother of the faithful believers) I bought a cushion with pictures on
it. When Allah's Apostle saw it, he kept standing at the door and did not
enter the house. I noticed the sign of disgust on his face, so I said, "O
Allah's Apostle! I repent to Allah and H is Apostle . (Please let me know)
what sin I have done." Allah's Apostle said, "What about this cushion?" I
replied, "I bought it for you to sit and recline on." Allah's Apostle said,
"The painters (i.e. owners) of these pictures will be punished on the Day
of Resurrection. It will be said to them, 'Put life in what you have
created (i.e. painted).' " The Prophet added, "The angels do not enter a
house where there are pictures."
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Also as I mentioned in my previous post, the Sheikh said:
These ahaadeeth indicate that pictures of animate beings are haraam,
whether they are humans or other creatures, whether they are
three-dimensional or two-dimensional, whether they are printed, drawn,
etched, engraved, carved, cast in moulds, etc. These ahaadeeth include
all of these types of pictures.
Wasalaam,
Arshad (bhaloo)